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JonB
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden325 Posts
July 14 2011 17:04 GMT
#521
On July 15 2011 01:56 Jonas wrote:
Respect to BoxeR for hiring the first Woman progamer. Diamond league in korea is like top 50 GM in NA ^__^

Are there any girls in Grandmaster league on ANY server? I haven't heard of any

^This. KR ladder is much much much harder than NA. Wouldnt say Dia is top 50 GM, but it sure as hell is good.


hacker and programmer - the2me4u on skype
videogames
Profile Joined May 2011
United States103 Posts
July 14 2011 17:04 GMT
#522
On July 15 2011 02:03 ThePurist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 01:46 videogames wrote:
On July 15 2011 01:45 ThePurist wrote:
Men are overrepresented in eSports. There is an extreme disproportion in gender.

Are you kidding me? Dudes are just that much better at video games.


Are you saying men are genetically superior to women in video games?
I question your statement.

"Video games" are a pastime that everybody can enjoy. However because it is socially linked as a 'male' activity and it puts a social-constraint on women in entering the video game subculture.
Like how men generally wouldn't play with dolls/Barbies or join some sort of knitting club. The activities and jobs we do today are gendered whether your choose to accept this or not. These constraints and flows are what allow and do not allow - advantage and skill to be gained.

I don't know jack shit about biology and the differences between male/female hand-eye coordination and its effects on video games. However, I do know that your comment was pretty grand without proper justification.

proof is in the pudding
>
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
July 14 2011 17:05 GMT
#523
On July 15 2011 00:38 koalemos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 00:12 Diavlo wrote:
On July 14 2011 23:31 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +

So if you're a woman you can't play 5 games in a sitting?...a bo5 doesn't require "stamina"


[Trans] ESPORTS: It's not just for men

Yes, I am saying exactly that, obviouly they can play one bo5, but they simply cant play as much.

Tossgirl wrote:
Seo Ji-Soo: Being a progamer, it was disappointing for me to lack stamina and emotion control. Since I lack physical stamina, I can't practice for long hours. Then the skill gap becomes bigger, and I start to lose games. I have the desire to win and compete, but I can't control my emotions since I lose all the time. After losing so many games, I become depressed and wonder if this is really worth doing anymore. I have to deal with these emotions myself, so it becomes very difficult at times.


So, yeah.


You do realise that you can not say that girls lack stamina out of one example right?

A lot of virtuoso pianists are women. And piano requires far more physical and mental stamina than starcraft 2.




No it doesn't. I play piano and I can tell you playing SC is a lot more mentally challenging. One who excels at SC, can excel at anything.


Umm.. depends on what level and genre of piano/music you are playing. If you are just learning someone elses songs, like classical songs, thats on the same level of stealing a korean buildorder and practicing it 10 hours a day.. but IMPROVISING is quite possibly the most mentally demanding activity ever for humans.. To be a top notch improviser like Chick Corea or Herbie Hancock, the amount of mental knowledge in music theory is much more difficult than any mental task in starcraft.

Starcraft is a logical progression mentally; you scout, you see what your opponent is doing and make a logical guess/reaction from that point. For Example, Yesterday in a PvP the guy did a 4gate which I held at my ramp, so he started doing a sentry contain. From this info, since I couldn't get a direct scout of his base (without a robo) I knew he was most likely either expoing, or teching himself. If I chose to go DTs, there was a ~50% chance he would have a robo/obs ready, where as if I went blink stalker, I could avoid the contain and pressure him and if he did indeed expo, it would be a 85% chance I would win right there. Percentages told me to go Stalkers, so I did and won. Its like Poker. That is the type of mental thinking that is required in starcraft, which is all LOGICAL percentage-based progressions. The difficulty in starcraft comes from the physical strain in multitasking. I think people KNOW that attacking on 2 or 3 fronts is better than one, but do they have the APM to pull it off; thats the difficulty in this game.

Improvising in music, while you can get away with being sub-par and just playing in the root key for the whole progression which is relatively easy (still have to pay major attention to rhythm and tension/release), when you are following each chord and using the corresponding scale for each chord, ALONG with throwing in chromatic or "outside" notes, ALONG with developing a unique rhythmic pattern that is melodic and human-like throughout the whole bar.. I dont know anything that would be as mentally demanding as that.

If you are just playing classical piano reading sheet music, the mental aspect may be minimal, but being a strong jazz pianist/improviser is a LIFETIME goal that you can never "perfect", and its not because of any physical limitations like being a perfect SC player would be.

Your quote is generally reversed; If you excel at Music, you can excel at anything.. Including starcraft (who was it recently (PuMa?) who said that he played piano so he is good at SC)
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
July 14 2011 17:05 GMT
#524
i hope boxer trains her and sends her to MLG to shut everyone up on these forums, she hasn't even played yet and so many ppl bash on her.
For the swarm!
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 17:05:42
July 14 2011 17:05 GMT
#525
It would be great to see her in gsl asap
rly ?
DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
July 14 2011 17:07 GMT
#526
On July 15 2011 02:05 algue wrote:
It would be great to see her in gsl asap


She was in GSTL last night....
"DrBoo is an elaborate troll" -Pufftrees
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 14 2011 17:08 GMT
#527
On July 15 2011 02:07 DrBoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 02:05 algue wrote:
It would be great to see her in gsl asap


She was in GSTL last night....

Too bad she can't play until their roster gets updated.
Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
July 14 2011 17:08 GMT
#528
anybody know what race she plays?
Whatever happens, happens
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 14 2011 17:08 GMT
#529
Why is she being compared to Tossgirl? Tossgirl, in her own right, is a very, very good BW player. Yes, she gets smashed when she had to face A-teamers, but she still is better than most BW foreigners and can take games off some good Korean players. This girl, from what I've read, was a fan of MMA, just got into esports, and won a tournament against below average competition. I really hope she does well, but it's going to take a while to get her into a condition that will be able to into the booth to play. But hey, if she really is willing to do all this work and practices in the Slayers house as long as her teammates, she will get good in a few months. Right now I would say it is definitely a publicity stunt/trying to be the first team to recruit a girl, but I think she'll turn out to be a decent or better player in the end.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
DeLoAdEr
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Japan527 Posts
July 14 2011 17:08 GMT
#530
Respect to BoxeR for hiring the first Woman progamer. Diamond league in korea is like top 50 GM in NA ^__^

Are there any girls in Grandmaster league on ANY server? I haven't heard of any


(T)EffkA? she was top200 eu before gm league existed I think.
unoriginalname
Profile Joined November 2010
England380 Posts
July 14 2011 17:10 GMT
#531
So, does she bunk with the rest of the team or go top and tails in Cella's double bed?
Hmmm
Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
July 14 2011 17:12 GMT
#532
Awesome to see a female progamer, but
On July 14 2011 18:28 Gao Xi wrote:
scouted based on her skills and looks.

really?
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 14 2011 17:12 GMT
#533
Pretty cool news, I hope she shows some great games so that the bitter nerds can go back to their basements
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
July 14 2011 17:12 GMT
#534
On July 15 2011 02:07 DrBoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 02:05 algue wrote:
It would be great to see her in gsl asap


She was in GSTL last night....



She did'nt play ^^'
I don't care to see her , I want to see her skill on tournament
rly ?
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
July 14 2011 17:13 GMT
#535
On July 15 2011 02:08 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 02:07 DrBoo wrote:
On July 15 2011 02:05 algue wrote:
It would be great to see her in gsl asap


She was in GSTL last night....

Too bad she can't play until their roster gets updated.

5 weeks, correct? That's what John said, anyway.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
eScKin
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong3 Posts
July 14 2011 17:13 GMT
#536
to eve
try ur best, and i try ur brest

User was banned for this post.
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
July 14 2011 17:13 GMT
#537
wow, girls making a girls only tourney get shits on
girls joining a real pro team and playing in a normal tourney also get shits on

this is why we cant have nice things.....
Put quote here for readability
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
July 14 2011 17:15 GMT
#538
On July 15 2011 02:13 sandyph wrote:
wow, girls making a girls only tourney get shits on
girls joining a real pro team and playing in a normal tourney also get shits on

this is why we cant have nice things.....

If it exists, people will talk shit about it. It's how the internet/humanity works, sadly. =/
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 14 2011 17:16 GMT
#539
On July 15 2011 02:13 sandyph wrote:
wow, girls making a girls only tourney get shits on
girls joining a real pro team and playing in a normal tourney also get shits on

this is why we cant have nice things.....

All posted by bitter lonely nerds who were rejected by girls in high school.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 14 2011 17:18 GMT
#540
Surprised they admit to taking her in based on her looks. Not many organizations will ever admit to that. Unless it's a position that understandably requires it like PR and such. Though I guess that's the point. Anyways, this is great and makes the scene look less of a sausage fest.
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