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On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling. Show nested quote +
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference.
It's a fact, go play bw and sc2 and conduct a survey on which game is harder for all the current SC2 gamers who were formerly BW pros. I'm sure you'll get a one sided result.
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Im all for games being difficult and having a very high skill ceiling but it needs to be hard for the right reasons. I really don't think timing probes to mine is that satisfying.
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I don't agree with this argument that easier mechanics reduces skill ceiling.
Look at Chess for an example, that has one of the easiest mechanics around and both players even agree to play with map hacks on.
Yet no one ever says Chess has a low skill ceiling.
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On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling. Show nested quote +
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference.
Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion.
If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait
On July 15 2011 13:12 fearus wrote:
I don't agree with this argument that easier mechanics reduces skill ceiling.
Look at Chess for an example, that has one of the easiest mechanics around and both players even agree to play with map hacks on.
Yet no one ever says Chess has a low skill ceiling.
Chess doesn't have a low skill ceiling. Neither does SC2, SC2 just has a *lower* skill ceiling when compared to BW. Kinda like how chess has a lower skill ceiling than chess boxing (which has more mechanics).
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Sigh it saddens me a little that some sc2 players can't take 10-15mins of their lives to watch a few bw vods before comparing the two games and making pointless assumptions. I've read so many posts where it's blatantly obvious the guy knows nothing about bw.
I've played both games and in my opinion, making sc2 easier mechanically isn't a bad thing, as it allows for more room for improvement in the other areas. We just haven't seen someone execute it at a level we've never seen before. Maybe we will in the near future 
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On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait
It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects.
Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines.
This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess.
Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is.
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On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is.
Doesn't quite work like that, bud. If that's the case, the game should just give us a 200/200 army, cut the macro bullshit, and gogogogo.
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On July 15 2011 13:40 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. Doesn't quite work like that, bud. If that's the case, the game should just give us a 200/200 army, cut the macro bullshit, and gogogogo.
You mean, like in chess were you get all your pieces from start and gogogo?
See? I'm so right it hurts my bwainzzz, xP.
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On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is.
Plus following your line of thought its logical conclusion. Given the game is deterministic, there is no random variability, there can't be, it is a program. There has to be an optimal way to play, which means a computer would always play perfectly -> No game.
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On July 15 2011 13:51 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. Plus following your line of thought its logical conclusion. Given the game is deterministic, there is no random variability, there can't be, it is a program. There has to be an optimal way to play, which means a computer would always play perfectly -> No game.
So, comps are smarter than man? What that has to do with anything.
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On July 15 2011 13:40 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. Doesn't quite work like that, bud. If that's the case, the game should just give us a 200/200 army, cut the macro bullshit, and gogogogo.
On the other hand, going too far in the other direction is just as ridiculous. I mean, does anyone actually think it'd be a good idea for Blizzard to, for instance, remove rally points and control groups in their next game, as if that'd make a better game? I mean, that'd certainly make it hard, but better? I'm not convinced. (What are we arguing here again, anyways?)
Blizzard has already stated they want SC2 to be a different game - and it is. We'll just have to see where it goes from here. Two more expansions, people! I'm sure it'll have quite a run.
EDIT: The other thing that people need to be aware of is that Blizzard is a business. They're out there to make money, which means selling more games, which means they have to cater to the casual crowd, which means easier mechanics. Making a competitive game is more of one of their "side" goals than their main goal for SC2, and I think this tends to be overlooked by many posters in this forum.
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On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is.
How about a player who is so good that he masters both the strategy and mechanical side of the game?
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On July 15 2011 13:56 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. How about a player who is so good that he masters both the strategy and mechanical side of the game?
What about him? I don't get your point, lol.
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On July 15 2011 14:00 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:56 Dante08 wrote:On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. How about a player who is so good that he masters both the strategy and mechanical side of the game? What about him? I don't get your point, lol.
you know...to master the "real time" part of "real time strategy."
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On July 15 2011 13:53 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:51 Probulous wrote:On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. Plus following your line of thought its logical conclusion. Given the game is deterministic, there is no random variability, there can't be, it is a program. There has to be an optimal way to play, which means a computer would always play perfectly -> No game. So, comps are smarter than man? What that has to do with anything.
My point is that if you take out the physical aspects to a game and make it purely a strategy game, it will stop being a game. Look at Chess, there is an optimal way to play based on what setup the board has. This is why comps can beat the grandmasters.
I am simply taking your logic to its ultimate conlcusion. IMO the game needs both, and has both but your sir seem to disagree.
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On July 15 2011 14:04 Diglett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 14:00 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:56 Dante08 wrote:On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. How about a player who is so good that he masters both the strategy and mechanical side of the game? What about him? I don't get your point, lol. you know...to master the "real time" part of "real time strategy."
Whatever it is you're both trying to say, I don't get it.
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On July 15 2011 13:49 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:40 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. Doesn't quite work like that, bud. If that's the case, the game should just give us a 200/200 army, cut the macro bullshit, and gogogogo. You mean, like in chess were you get all your pieces from start and gogogo? See? I'm so right it hurts my bwainzzz, xP.
chess!=starcraft
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On July 15 2011 13:40 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. Doesn't quite work like that, bud. If that's the case, the game should just give us a 200/200 army, cut the macro bullshit, and gogogogo.
You think that strategy doesn't apply before you reach 200/200?
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On July 15 2011 14:17 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 13:40 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 13:36 Steveling wrote:On July 15 2011 13:20 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:15 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:11 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:06 Yaotzin wrote:On July 15 2011 12:05 101toss wrote:On July 15 2011 12:01 Yaotzin wrote:
BW trolls are so boring. Saddening that they survive bans for some reason. Not really, seeing as a lot of the criticism is objectively correct If I commented in BW forums that BW has shit graphics/ui etc, it would be objectively true and would also - rightly - get me banned. Stop shitting up forums for a game you apparently don't like. It's stupid. It's fucking retarded that people get dropped during tournaments because B.net 0.2 is so bad and there are no alternatives/LAN. It's not trolling, it's a fact. It's off topic and nobody gives a shit. It's trolling.
Also, the SC2 skill ceiling is lower. That's a fact. It's not trolling, it's providing an explanation to the current proscene scenario
That's opinion, not that I expect you to understand the difference. Does MBS/autoworkerrally/smartcast not reduce the need for apm/multitasking ability? No, it does reduce it, it's not an opinion. If anything is trolling, it's calling me stupid with your last line, unnecessary flame bait It's a strategy game, apm/micro/macro and all that juzz is just side effects. Lets say we're 500 years into the future. We can now upload our thoughts directly into machines. This mechanics discussion is obsolete. The best player is the cleverest player, exactly like in chess. Conclusion, mechanics are not what make a Strategy game better, strategy and ability to think is. Doesn't quite work like that, bud. If that's the case, the game should just give us a 200/200 army, cut the macro bullshit, and gogogogo. You think that strategy doesn't apply before you reach 200/200?
Not if macro doesn't exist and everyone gets the exact same army regardless of their level of mechanics
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