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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
On July 02 2011 20:28 Mykill wrote: oh boo smurf hacking really hurts the players. =( Are you retarded? The ladder is being locked on Wednesday and everyone is trying to squeeze in games to be promoted / finish with a higher score during the long weekend. This is theee worst time for an increase (100 fold mind you) in hacks on Bnet User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
Have certain suspicions due to a demonstration prototype I made and tested on a couple friends, and confirmed that it was a possible method. Thx for any useful detailed PMs  I'll be going over them sparingly until I get back to the US in ~4 days, then I will be able to look over them thoroughly. In summary: 1) Game rep 2) Game Length (in-game time) 3) Game Legnth (irl time) - might be only approximate for obvious reasons 4) Any other information, such as link to the offendor's bnet or sc2ranks profile page, or even their name, and whatever else you think is relevant. | ||
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HoMM
Estonia635 Posts
On July 02 2011 19:12 kusto wrote: One uses scouting for this, just like every non-cheater does. One uses replays for this, just like every non-cheater does. I think the point of cheating is to gain success without effort - they don't want to improve in any way, they want success and they want it NOW. For drop-hackers it's maybe exciting because they can jerk off to the fact that they got a win-icon against some pro gamers. EDIT VC himself wrote that he hates losing, so that's the point. If it could be achieved so easily in other things, he would do it aswell. 1.) Scouting costs. Sacrificing a worker is 50 minerals + lost potential mining time. Using a scan is potential 270 minerals. Even upon doing all, even the very top pro players still can't always achieve perfect scouting and often times can be caught off guard: imagine say DT's. 2.) You can actually have fun, you can play the way you want to play. You can just macro up instead of getting early-game cheesed. 3.) Sure, you could use replays, but you can't test what your opponent would react if you had made another decision upon knowing what he was doing. In addition, viewing replays takes time. Time is money. Save time by breaking Blizzards ToS? Sounds good to me. I don't cheat and I don't recommend cheating, but the ignorant views in this thread are pretty bad imo. I can understand why you'd be frustrated but no need to start insulting people, you wont accomplish anything with it. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:24 HoMM wrote: 1.) Scouting costs. Sacrificing a worker is 50 minerals + lost potential mining time. Using a scan is potential 270 minerals. Even upon doing all, even the very top pro players still can't always achieve perfect scouting and often times can be caught off guard: imagine say DT's. 2.) You can actually have fun, you can play the way you want to play. You can just macro up instead of getting early-game cheesed. 3.) Sure, you could use replays, but you can't test what your opponent would react if you had made another decision upon knowing what he was doing. In addition, viewing replays takes time. Time is money. Save time by breaking Blizzards ToS? Sounds good to me. All of the above is part of the game...what are you even arguing? They do it because they're giant douchebags that like to cheat, nothing more nothing less. | ||
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:24 HoMM wrote: 1.) Scouting costs. Sacrificing a worker is 50 minerals + lost potential mining time. Using a scan is potential 270 minerals. Even upon doing all, even the very top pro players still can't always achieve perfect scouting and often times can be caught off guard: imagine say DT's. 2.) You can actually have fun, you can play the way you want to play. You can just macro up instead of getting early-game cheesed. 3.) Sure, you could use replays, but you can't test what your opponent would react if you had made another decision upon knowing what he was doing. In addition, viewing replays takes time. Time is money. Save time by breaking Blizzards ToS? Sounds good to me. I don't cheat and I don't recommend cheating, but the ignorant views in this thread are pretty bad imo. I can understand why you'd be frustrated but no need to start insulting people, you wont accomplish anything with it. nothing wrong with insulting cheaters and criminals. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:24 HoMM wrote: 1.) Scouting costs. Sacrificing a worker is 50 minerals + lost potential mining time. Using a scan is potential 270 minerals. Even upon doing all, even the very top pro players still can't always achieve perfect scouting and often times can be caught off guard: imagine say DT's. 2.) You can actually have fun, you can play the way you want to play. You can just macro up instead of getting early-game cheesed. 3.) Sure, you could use replays, but you can't test what your opponent would react if you had made another decision upon knowing what he was doing. In addition, viewing replays takes time. Time is money. Save time by breaking Blizzards ToS? Sounds good to me. Don't play the fucking game if you disagree with its core gameplay elements. It's that simple. There's nothing to "understand" about cheating, it ruins the fun for those who are not cheating. It's a selfish, arrogant act and deserves all the insults we can come up with. | ||
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HoMM
Estonia635 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:35 Conti wrote: Don't play the fucking game if you disagree with its core gameplay elements. It's that simple. There's nothing to "understand" about cheating, it ruins the fun for those who are not cheating. It's a selfish, arrogant act and deserves all the insults we can come up with. I don't disagree with the core gameplay elements. I don't play the game also. "it ruins the fun for those who are not cheating" and that's a problem how? umad?????? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8230 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:43 HoMM wrote: I don't disagree with the core gameplay elements. I don't play the game also. "it ruins the fun for those who are not cheating" and that's a problem how? umad?????? You don't play the game so you don't have a problem with other's people entertainment being ruined? How selfless of you  | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:43 HoMM wrote: "it ruins the fun for those who are not cheating" and that's a problem how? umad?????? Q.E.D. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On July 02 2011 11:05 Entropic wrote: RapDawg let me win a game lol (am I that 1 loss :D). But right now he's dropping me after a failed 6pool on shakuras. Hit him 3 times in 6-7 games now -_- I hit this guy on ladder yesterday too. He's a mega doosh lag/drophacker. He either does it at the start of game, or when he's losing. These hacks are getting ridiculously out of control... | ||
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DennyR
Germany379 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:24 HoMM wrote: 1.) Scouting costs. Sacrificing a worker is 50 minerals + lost potential mining time. Using a scan is potential 270 minerals. Even upon doing all, even the very top pro players still can't always achieve perfect scouting and often times can be caught off guard: imagine say DT's. 2.) You can actually have fun, you can play the way you want to play. You can just macro up instead of getting early-game cheesed. 3.) Sure, you could use replays, but you can't test what your opponent would react if you had made another decision upon knowing what he was doing. In addition, viewing replays takes time. Time is money. Save time by breaking Blizzards ToS? Sounds good to me. I don't cheat and I don't recommend cheating, but the ignorant views in this thread are pretty bad imo. I can understand why you'd be frustrated but no need to start insulting people, you wont accomplish anything with it. you should get your ass banned just like cheaters and cheatcoders. there is nothing wrong with insulting cheaters, cheatercoders and ppl that say cheaters are ok. | ||
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eohs
United States677 Posts
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8230 Posts
On July 02 2011 23:58 K_Dilkington wrote: As stated earlier Blizzard needs to limit guest accounts to only custom games. They also need to put alot of resources in tracking and banning any player that use these hacks. While I actually agree with you, I can see why they wont. Blizzard is quite proud of their ladder matchmaking system after all, and wishes to show it to as many people as they can. + theres a chance people with trial accounts will get hooked on trying to get better through the ladder, and thus a bigger chance of people actually ending up buying the game. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On July 03 2011 00:02 Excludos wrote: While I actually agree with you, I can see why they wont. Blizzard is quite proud of their ladder matchmaking system after all, and wishes to show it to as many people as they can. + theres a chance people with trial accounts will get hooked on trying to get better through the ladder, and thus a bigger chance of people actually ending up buying the game. On the other hand they run the risk of loosing both existing and potential customers | ||
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sick_transit
United States195 Posts
On July 03 2011 00:02 Excludos wrote: While I actually agree with you, I can see why they wont. Blizzard is quite proud of their ladder matchmaking system after all, and wishes to show it to as many people as they can. + theres a chance people with trial accounts will get hooked on trying to get better through the ladder, and thus a bigger chance of people actually ending up buying the game. Cap trial accounts at a lower league like silver or gold. This would eliminate a big incentive for the idiots who do this (notoriety of drop hacking GMs). Not a complete solution but it would help. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 03 2011 00:15 sick_transit wrote: Cap trial accounts at a lower league like silver or gold. This would eliminate a big incentive for the idiots who do this (notoriety of drop hacking GMs). Not a complete solution but it would help. They would still get matched with GM's with their MMR. And if you lock their MMR too, the legit players might get to like diamond + really fast then just own everyone in gold...doesn't seem like a good solution to me. | ||
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edc
United States666 Posts
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sick_transit
United States195 Posts
On July 03 2011 00:17 Olinim wrote: They would still get matched with GM's with their MMR. And if you lock their MMR too, the legit players might get to like diamond + really fast then just own everyone in gold...doesn't seem like a good solution to me. Good point about MMR, but if you capped it then at least the people who are in it for the notoriety of doing it on streams might be discouraged. I admit it's not a complete solution but it might diminish the hacker pool. The more I think about this the more I think Blizzard screwed the figurative pooch on this given two facts: 1. They had the experience of the WC ladder (never played it myself so I rely on what others have said); and 2. They had 10+ years to develop this game. Given all that time how could they not have anticipated this problem given how they set up the ladder? Seems like a huge failure in thinking to me. | ||
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Sgtmt
United States72 Posts
I think what we need to do is help them all get treatment, they obviously have no one that cares about them. We need to show them that the hollow laughter they get after they pee on a slide ,hack a game, or kick a puppy, is not real happiness. So please reach out to these people, give them a hug, and let them know it'll be ok. | ||
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