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After the recent loss from BoxeR against asdfOu, an article on the Korean news site Naver popped up describing a 'downfall' of BoxeR.
Here is the Korean article: http://osen.mt.co.kr/news/view.html?gid=G1106290357
EDIT: -- Translations below --
"‘The Fall of the Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan, a painful trip to the PC bangs"
Back when he was in the code S semi-finals, this was not even imaginable. However, to the up-and-down matches and then to Code A, ‘Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan(31)’s fall is never ending. Once thought to be the only player who had the capacity to take the top position in both Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 Leagues, he now experiences the ever so painful transition to what can be known as the ‘bottom’ - Code B PC bangs.
Lim Yo Hwan failed to find his pace against the clever play from Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) in the GSL season 4 Code A Round of 32 on the 29th sponsored by Pepsi and held at Seoul shin jeong dong GomTV studio falling 0-2 hopelessly. With this, Lim Yo Hwan experienced the pain of falling to the qualifiers after participating in six seasons of GSL. This season saw him get 4 wins and 11 losses with a win rate of 26.6%.
Even from the first set, things did not work out for Boxer. His smooth transition from mech play into bio proved successful and netted him a lead but with the ever present flanks shaking his play, he slowly fell to the novice Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) and gave up his advantage.
Boxer’s gameplay in the second set was even more lacklustre. Every attack from Boxer was blocked while the opponent’s one powerful attack landed a critical hit on Boxer. Lim Yo Hwan’s strong points, the cloaked banshee and medivac drops, were over-used without much effect on his opponent resulting in being pushed back in straight up fights worsening the situation.
On the other hand, novice Lee Dae Jin took full advantage of his lead and pressured Lim Yo Hwan’s natural with his stronger firepower getting ever so close to victory and brought a surrender out of Boxer with continued attacks. "
What I understand from it is how the writers describe his downhall based off just one game... I agree BoxeR played the match badly, his game-sense was really off and he seemed indecisive in his play, but I wouldn't go as far as call it a 'downfall'. Some other notable players got down to Code B as well, so we shouldn't be so quick to judge...
His GF Jessica also tweeted about the article, being furious about the whole thing. The first tweet:
"몰락은 누구한테 하는말? 기자자격증이나 있수? 나도 기사 하나 쓰고싶네. 개나 소나 기자! 걍 스타1기사나 쭉 쓰셔요. 스타1에서 빙빙 대다가 요환의 껀수만 생기면 바로 뼈다귀 무는 강아지마냥..."
Translation of the 1st tweet:
"I guess I can't even comment about the injury (hurt part) now? Don't even think about criticizing. Sometimes I feel like I should go up and tell him "stop playing". Don't even try to make fun of (or take lightly) someone who is constantly practicing while grabbing his shoulder in pain. I'll never forgive you. Let's see what you have to say after you've been doing ANYTHING for 10 years straight, 10 hours a day. You could never pull anything off like that."
Later more tweets appeared from Jessica: "몰락은 누구한테 하는말? 기자자격증이나 있수? 나도 기사 하나 쓰고싶네. 개나 소나 기자! 걍 스타1기사나 쭉 쓰셔요. 스타1에서 빙빙 대다가 요환의 껀수만 생기면 바로 뼈다귀 무는 강아지마냥..."
Translation: "Who said anything about a downfall? You have a reporter's license or something? I wanna write a "report" too. Anyone could write a report (Lit. A dog or a cow could do a report). Why don't you just write a whole report about Starcraft 1? During Starcraft 1's day you did jack but as soon as something big about BoxeR comes up you chew it up like a dog on a bone..."
I'm making this thread so that someone Korean could possibly give us foreigners more insight to this matter. I even felt that this article reeked some bias when it comes to the SC1 vs. SC2 matter in Korea, so if that's the case I'm mad as well for the writers giving bad rep for BoxeR's career in Sc2.
Edit note: Thanks to storywriter, iamgravity and iAstra for translations
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 . Wouldn't surprise me if his shoulder problem is partly to blame too. (Think its his shoulder).
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I understand why she would be upset. Losing in the first round of Code A is not indicitive of boxer's skill at all, but yet there are articles about him hitting rock bottom, like hes a terrible player now or something.
+ Show Spoiler + he did insanely well in the NASL for example (and he did good in TSL 3 too)
Also, his shoulder problem probably has a big impact on his play.
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Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible.
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translate fast pls guys!
User was warned for this post
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On June 29 2011 21:38 WArped wrote:
Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible. For East Asian languages especially.
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On June 29 2011 21:38 WArped wrote:
Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible.
Let's hope we get a Korean here, until that Google translate must suffice... 
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Can't be the best in everything now can we?
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What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?
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He is definitely not at the bottom, he has performed "okay" for playing at the level he does. This is a prime reason why you should not listen to what articles and blogs say.
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it must be a kespa writer i think
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really unfortunate -_- ... so many good players drop down to code b. it happens.
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On June 29 2011 21:50 Jiddra wrote:
What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?
It's the most popular Korean search engine, with various categories for different news and articles
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My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.:
Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards.
Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player** and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat].
The rest of the article is about the games themselves.
Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요..
Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face.
**Edit 3: goddamn my Korean sucks bad. OK, so on second reading, this sentence actually looks like its saying Boxer lost against smarter play by his opponent. I will now shut the hell up and stop sowing confusion.
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On June 29 2011 21:50 Jiddra wrote:
What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?
I think Naver is a popular search portal on Korea. Kind of like Yahoo maybe?
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On June 29 2011 21:50 Jiddra wrote:
What kind of site is Naver, kespa/bw related or just a ordinary paper?
Naver to them is what google is to the rest of us.
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BoxeR is by no means a bad player, just not the best anymore. And it's been a VERY long time since he's been the best, and not just in SC2. Obviously the article is meant to be sensationalist, but on the other hand, this kind of backlash is to be expected. No one likes to see "The Emperor" fall from professional gaming, but he's been playing for over a decade -- maybe it's his time to stop?
And there's always still hope for the Team League. SlayerS Fighting!
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If the hatred is BW-motivated... what a shame. Boxer arguably the most influential BW player of all times, I think every BW fan should respect Boxer's decision to compete in SC2, and support him. But yeah, it's just journalists trying to make a living; meh.
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Several people were kind enough to translate Jessica's 2nd tweet as well. This is just the first one I found looking through the thread again.
On June 29 2011 20:58 nAgeDitto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 20:56 WArped wrote:On June 29 2011 20:50 Femari wrote:
이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요..
Another tweet from Jessica. I think she's still really pissed.
It would be great to have it translated but is she saying that overseas articles are much more respectful to Boxer? Translation: Its because of articles like this that e-sports isnt taken seriously as a proper sport. What kind of sport has their reporters posts the results of a match with personal feelings 'tainting' it? Are you trying to get more viewers by 'bashing' (cant be sure) on Lim yo hwan? (the emperor/boxer) I cant control my emotions right now... The reason why im not tweeting in english is because I dont want the foreigner fans to look at your article and laugh at it. EDIT: so which article is she talking about? :O
Here's her twitter as well.
http://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica/
Talking to MC?
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He's been in the spotlight for so long that I'm sure this doesn't matter at all to him. Doubt this is the first time he has received negative feedback from a media source.
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boxer is not in slump, look at his last 25match link look he beat scfOu and MKP and even nuclearfOu(asdfOu)his opponent many times. Boxer sc2ranks profile
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About the match:
+ Show Spoiler + Code A Ro32 is rough. You can't take a lot of risks. Boxer actually out thought himself. asdf wasn't playing that well, Boxer just kept reposition himself into bad engagements.
Boxer I think might be playing a little too much. He might need to take an Idra style "break" (by which I mean he drops his play time down a little, to rest his shoulder and not over think situations as much). He's still a capable player, but might just need a little rest. Also, hasn't he been sick lately? that probably hasn't helped either.
Another spoiler: + Show Spoiler + SlayerS had a really rough GSL period for July. I think they just need to go back and get ready for team League and rock out there.
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On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.: Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards. Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat]. The rest of the article is about the games themselves. Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요.. Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face.
If what you translate is accurate, it's a pretty stupid article to post. Frankly we all know that Boxer is no longer one of the top tier players in SC2. How is that a problem? The writer seems to be emphasizing more on Boxer's downfall rather than the increasing competitiveness of the SC2 scene, which is just dumb.
And just because asd is an unknown player doesn't mean he's terrible. MKP was an unknown before he placed 2nd. Nestea was a scrub before he won GSL2.
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why would they write something like this, especially to the man who gave life to esport
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It is very disrespectful. Code B, Cafe level? There is clearly some elitism involved with SC:BW from Naver, and I think Jessica is just upset that they post articles displaying SC2 in a negative fashion.
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On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.: Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards. Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat]. The rest of the article is about the games themselves. Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요.. Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face.
Well what jessica wrote was more that the foreign fans will laugh at the article (and the esports scene in general i guess) because of how biased it is.
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On June 29 2011 22:04 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.: Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards. Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat]. The rest of the article is about the games themselves. Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요.. Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face. If what you translate is accurate, it's a pretty stupid article to post. Frankly we all know that Boxer is no longer one of the top tier players in SC2. How is that a problem? The writer seems to be emphasizing more on Boxer's downfall rather than the increasing competitiveness of the SC2 scene, which is just dumb. And just because asd is an unknown player doesn't mean he's terrible. MKP was an unknown before he placed 2nd. Nestea was a scrub before he won GSL2.
Sorry, on second reading I realized my translation was screwed. It's saying Boxer lost to a smarter play by his opponent. I've edited the earlier post and will now shut the hell up and not confuse people.
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Code A is ridiculously volatile. There are new faces popping up each season that deserve to be in code S. Boxer has very recently been doing incredibly well in NASL, and got to at least the top 16 of the TSL (I can't remember which round he went out). During this time he has been building one of the most impressive, up-and-coming teams in professional gaming on his shoulders, and all the while apparently with health problems that have adversely affected his ability to practice in the standard Korean manner.
This has the possibility to go in a couple different ways, depending on what Boxer wants to focus on. It could be his Obi-wan vs Darth Vader moment, where he is struck down and steps into the background and allows his pupils to come to the fore. Then again, it could just be time for Boxer's fifteenth comeback. I'm hoping for the latter.
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well then, what about his performance on the NASL?
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hes playing with an injury, imagine TLO playing with his injury. period ...
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Pfft. MMA and Dongraegu are in the same position struggling to break into code A. Sometimes players just have inconsitent results from time to time.
Boxer's in the NASL finals, if he puts out a good performance there people will forget about his recent problems.
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It takes the lowest of the low to seek fame through another man's misfortune.
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Australia528 Posts
‘The Fall of the Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan, a painful trip to the PC bangs
Back when he was in the code S semi-finals, this was not even imaginable. However, to the up-and-down matches and then to Code A, ‘Emperor’ Lim Yo Hwan(31)’s fall is never ending. Once thought to be the only player who had the capacity to take the top position in both Starcraft 1 and Starcraft 2 Leagues, he now experiences the ever so painful transition to what can be known as the ‘bottom’ - Code B PC bangs.
Lim Yo Hwan failed to find his pace against the clever play from Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) in the GSL season 4 Code A Round of 32 on the 29th sponsored by Pepsi and held at Seoul shin jeong dong GomTV studio falling 0-2 hopelessly. With this, Lim Yo Hwan experienced the pain of falling to the qualifiers after participating in six seasons of GSL. This season saw him get 4 wins and 11 losses with a win rate of 26.6%.
Even from the first set, things did not work out for Boxer. His smooth transition from mech play into bio proved successful and netted him a lead but with the ever present flanks shaking his play, he slowly fell to the novice Lee Dae Jin (asdfou) and gave up his advantage.
Boxer’s gameplay in the second set was even more lacklustre. Every attack from Boxer was blocked while the opponent’s one powerful attack landed a critical hit on Boxer. Lim Yo Hwan’s strong points, the cloaked banshee and medivac drops, were over-used without much effect on his opponent resulting in being pushed back in straight up fights worsening the situation.
On the other hand, novice Lee Dae Jin took full advantage of his lead and pressured Lim Yo Hwan’s natural with his stronger firepower getting ever so close to victory and brought a surrender out of Boxer with continued attacks.
(Very first attempt at translation hopefully it'll help until someone else comes up with a better one)
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i think she reacted that way because Boxer was feeling like he was on par with the other pro's thats why he stepped up for his team in the GSTL. and this article will really hurt him in that regard considering he has been practicing like crazy and putting up somewhat good results in foreign tournaments.
The way this article is worded is very negative towards his play and towards SC2 in general and she doesnt want Boxer to give up his dreams because of some stupid article.
I myself think that Boxer will be alright considering he has good practice partners in the Slayers team house and the mentality to never give up!
hope my english not 2 bad
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BoxeR is ofc not one of the best sc2 players out there.
But he is definetely better than today. We don't need an article bashing on him. I'd say BoxeRs skill level is somewhere in between code A - code S.
And if he doesn't retire I expect to see him there.
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I feel a little sad because SlayerSJessica feels hurt by this too, and feels the need to defend. Hopefully BoxeR can get better, shoulder and SC2. I hope he wins the NASL!
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Boxer is old now, but still he is the emperor, so I have a feeling he will come back just like Stu Ungar came back in -97. Also, Nestea is the best player in the world, and he is only 2 years younger than Boxer.
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Even if boxer is not bonjwa level anymore, I think his fans still admire his competitive spirit for still playing at his age. And as others have said hes still a competent player, he won his game in the team league last week and is doing well in NASL.
Even if he lost every game from now on I'd still respect his past achievements just as much. I hope he keeps trying to get back in code A for atleast a few seasons, his games are usually entertaining to watch. Pretty sad day for me today, 2 of my favorite players losing(boxer and MKP). Oh well atleast jinro won, and if he can break his slump, so can boxer.
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This is a copy/paste of my post on reddit:
I got this:
First tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica/status/85985428607483904
"I guess I can't even comment about the injury (hurt part) now? Don't even think about criticizing. Sometimes I feel like I should go up and tell him "stop playing". Don't even try to make fun of (or take lightly) someone who is constantly practicing while grabbing his shoulder in pain. I'll never forgive you. Let's see what you have to say after you've been doing ANYTHING for 10 years straight, 10 hours a day. You could never pull anything off like that.
Second post: http://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica/status/86028665380536320
"Who said anything about a downfall? You have a reporter's license or something? I wanna write a "report" too. Anyone could write a report (Lit. A dog or a cow could do a report). Why don't you just write a whole report about Starcraft 1? During Starcraft 1's day you did jack but as soon as something big about BoxeR comes up you chew it up like a dog on a bone..."
Mad mad props to iAstra with helping to translate this.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
This is pretty disgusting tbh. But Boxer is a champion, he'll be back.
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On June 29 2011 22:34 HowardRoark wrote:
Boxer is old now, but still he is the emperor, so I have a feeling he will come back just like Stu Ungar came back in -97. Also, Nestea is the best player in the world, and he is only 2 years younger than Boxer.
what a beast Stu Ungar was... I swear to god that dude sold his soul to the Devil because no one can read other poker players like he could.
RIP
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Long Live The Emperor!
Its a shame that someone would write something like this. I hope BoxeR isn't as affected by it as Jessica is.
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If the translation on page 2 is precise, I think she's overreacting a little here. It's not the greatest piece of journalism ever, but I don't think it's so bad it warrants an uproar over it. That said, I'm sure there's parts of the story we're missing here, has bashing on Sc2-turned BW players been common on BW news sites?
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On June 29 2011 22:50 Orome wrote:
If the translation on page 2 is precise, I think she's overreacting a little here. It's not the greatest piece of journalism ever, but I don't think it's so bad it warrants an uproar over it. That said, I'm sure there's parts of the story we're missing here, has bashing on Sc2-turned BW players been common on BW news sites?
Well if you call Code B the 'bottom' it's a pretty bad misuse of the word IMO. Also it's rather difficult to stay in Code A due to the amount of competition around. It does not imply a downfall. It's a slump for sure, but what I get from the article is that Boxer has fallen from grace.
It's also quite ridiculous that the author fails to mention how Boxer stayed in Code A last season, and how Boxer has done extremely well in NASL. Oh, and also it fails to remember how Boxer hasn't been a top player in SC1 for a couple of years now and he only made it to the Ro4 once, when the game was still new and less developed. I'll hardly call that being a top tier player.
I feel the anger's rather warranted.
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Once again the sensationalist journalists show their ugly and disgusting faces.. BoxeR is no matter what you think about him a true legend in Starcraft. He does not deserve to he bashed on by some nobody journalist who thinks you get a "downfall" from losing 1 game. The man has done so much for SC over the years and now even taken time to make his own team and start getting new players into the path of the emperor.
BoxeR is and have always been one of my few real favorites in this game, I hope his shoulder is ok and he can come back and show that asshole who is is talking to.
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What a stupid article, and even if he doesn't do well, he is still fucking Boxer, he didn't do crap in bw for a long time but EVERYONE IN KOREA loved him, and will continue to support him and his team.
As will myself and the entire world of starcraft.
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I was very sad when boxer lost the matches today, and especially at certain points where he was in the lead or could've crushed asd. But I hope he can come back and not listen to some random journalist trying to hard to make a splash with an article like that. It's actually typical bad journalist behavior, when someone is down take potshots at them, and when they are on top, make them look greater than god.
But boxer, take care of yourself( he puts a lot of pressure on himself to perform, more than anyone else),I'm sure you can come back! Boxer fighting!
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asd is a very good opponent, BoxeR isn't a slump, and his domination of NASL is proof of that.
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Frankly, who the hell cares if he drops out of code A? He took the worst team in the GSTL and made them into repeat champions in almost no time at all. Slayers is a terrifying team, and players like Alicia and MMA, when playing at the peak of their skill, are as scary as a Nestea or an MC. Boxer has already had tremendous success in SC2 even if he never qualifies for Code A again, because he's created a dominant team from scratch.
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The only big thing i see in this article is calling Code B PC cafe level standard.
Getting from code B to A is probably more difficult than going from A to S.
Just look at the people that couldn't make it or dropped down to code B this month,and a lot of people that we consider now as excellent players like Losira and Bomber had a hard time qualifying for code A.
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Urgh..sometimes I just hate the media. BoxeR is by no means out or at the bottom of the pro scene. While his lack of championship titles in SC2 is unfortunate, it doesn't make me any less of a fan. BoxeR is still capable of putting up Code S play, and more importantly, capable to give the best entertainment and deliver amazing games. And as the selfish fan I am, that's all that matters to me.
I see nothing but respect and support for the Emperor in the foreign scene and the community know better than to judge him based on one unfortunate result. While I understand his girlfriend's worries, I doubt they are needed.
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the retarded "journalist" fails to account for boxer owning the NASL
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the Reporter who wrote this very disrespectful compilation of text was so kind to leave his Email address at the bottom, so if you wanna drop him a line on how much you like his uninformed opinion, go ahead:
scrapper@osen.co.kr
edit:
I didn't mean to imply you should go all medieval on his ass.
TL standards should apply to all your messages on the internetz
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On June 29 2011 23:23 Ojahh wrote:
the Reporter who wrote this very disrespectful compilation of text was so kind to leave his Email address at the bottom, so if you wanna drop him a line on how much you like his uninformed opinion, go ahead:
scrapper@osen.co.kr
This is not a good idea.
It won't change anything, and it leaves a bad impression of foreign fans.
A better idea would be to somehow send messages of support to Boxer or his team.
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On June 29 2011 23:23 Ojahh wrote:
the Reporter who wrote this very disrespectful compilation of text was so kind to leave his Email address at the bottom, so if you wanna drop him a line on how much you like his uninformed opinion, go ahead:
scrapper@osen.co.kr
..although going all hooligan on him might not be the most mature way to go about it, perhaps he'd think twice before talking smack again.
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On June 29 2011 23:25 Conquest101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 23:23 Ojahh wrote:
the Reporter who wrote this very disrespectful compilation of text was so kind to leave his Email address at the bottom, so if you wanna drop him a line on how much you like his uninformed opinion, go ahead:
scrapper@osen.co.kr This is not a good idea. It won't change anything, and it leaves a bad impression of foreign fans. A better idea would be to somehow send messages of support to Boxer or his team.
/Agree
If you have a twitter account, you can tweet your support to @SlayerS_Jessica. And I'm sure some TL forum members who are in Korea can pass on messages too.
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for me it seems that Jessica doesn't tweet it in English because Boxer did well in foreign tournaments and that the foreign fans would not care what the author says, maybe she is even safing him, cause you never know what the emperors' foreign fans are up to ^^
btw can someone pls translate what she tweets with MC and MMA... if its just something unimportant leave it be, but maybe there is more info in those tweets....
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Jessica should know the foreigners are laughing at that article!
we will remain loyal to the emperor despite this heretics blasphemy!
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he is still good, but busy with his team.
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Everyone is pretty much on the money re:journalist.
This is one of those moments where I choose to stay quiet until BoxeR bounces back. I believe a chorus of "I told you so" will be heard throughout the internet.
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On June 29 2011 23:32 Rayonnair wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 23:25 Conquest101 wrote:On June 29 2011 23:23 Ojahh wrote:
the Reporter who wrote this very disrespectful compilation of text was so kind to leave his Email address at the bottom, so if you wanna drop him a line on how much you like his uninformed opinion, go ahead:
scrapper@osen.co.kr This is not a good idea. It won't change anything, and it leaves a bad impression of foreign fans. A better idea would be to somehow send messages of support to Boxer or his team. /Agree If you have a twitter account, you can tweet your support to @SlayerS_Jessica. And I'm sure some TL forum members who are in Korea can pass on messages too.
I didn't mean to imply you should go all a medieval on his ass.
I just wrote to him that a little more respect towards an Idol like [Slayers]Boxer would surely be appreciated by every sane person that knows of his accomplishments and that this article is strongly reflecting an anti [Slayers]Boxer opinion that seems to be mostly based on incorrect information, which can make the article reader believe that you (Scrapper) are only writing these things to get attention, without actually knowing what you are talking about.
edit: Chance that the guy or who ever reads his emails speaks good English are slim but hey why let what he wrote stand with out contesting it.
PS: sending Jessica support is of course an even better idea. But why do not both
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On June 29 2011 21:38 WArped wrote:
Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible.
how dare you, it saved my french exams !
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This is like when NaDa switched to SC2 >.<
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It's just a fact, that Boxer is terrible right now. He should stop playing on try to focus on coaching/managing.
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On June 30 2011 00:05 Nando wrote:
It's just a fact, that Boxer is terrible right now. He should stop playing on try to focus on coaching/managing.
Indeed, that's exactly why he's doing so badly in the NASL...
Oh wait
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Boxer created the best SC2 team, and it is not based upon 1 or 2 players carrying the entire team (IM/oGs). SlayerS taught they're players to work hard and be supportive, and they won 2 GSTL's in a row.
Thinking Boxer would roflpwn everything in SC2 is just stupid.
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On June 29 2011 23:52 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 21:38 WArped wrote:
Well one things for sure, Google translate is terrible. how dare you, it saved my french exams !
Well its just terrible for east asian languages, belive me, it couldn't translate with proper gramar sometimes.
On topic: why bash on boxer, like come on? Out of all the people why the greatest man in esports? His performances in the GSL werent stunning at all of course, and everybody knows that he has a team to support now like choyafOu, so of course he has less time practicing, its actually not a surprise for anybody who follows the sc2 scene closely that after a while once slayers got set up and kicked everybody's ass in gtsl that boxer was spending much more time to contribute to the team and not as much for himself.
You know, someone should maybe send Jessica this thread and translate it to korean to show support for boxer.
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On June 30 2011 00:10 grudgeStar wrote:
Boxer created the best SC2 team, and it is not based upon 1 or 2 players carrying the entire team (IM/oGs). SlayerS taught they're players to work hard and be supportive, and they won 2 GSTL's in a row.
Thinking Boxer would roflpwn everything in SC2 is just stupid.
IM is the best SC2 team. SlayerS wouldn't beat IM a second time if they met. The finals in which SlayerS won Alicia took out NesTea AND Losira. I doubt something like that would ever happen again. Not that they got lucky or anything that match, Alicia obviously played amazingly, but especially with PvZ favoring Zergs more and more recently, the only person who could take down IM's trifecta of players is MMA, and he wouldn't take out all 3 of them. Except for Ganzi, he could beat Mvp maybe.
And in Individual results they don't even compare. But SlayerS is the 2nd best SC2 team :D
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You guys are making a big deal out of nothing. No one got hurt or anything like that, just an article that she was unhappy about (because it's about his loss).
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Aw, Jessica standing up for Boxer <3. It was interesting what she said about BW journalists selectively picking out sc2 shortcomings and bashing hmmmm...
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On June 30 2011 00:16 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 00:10 grudgeStar wrote:
Boxer created the best SC2 team, and it is not based upon 1 or 2 players carrying the entire team (IM/oGs). SlayerS taught they're players to work hard and be supportive, and they won 2 GSTL's in a row.
Thinking Boxer would roflpwn everything in SC2 is just stupid. IM is the best SC2 team. SlayerS wouldn't beat IM a second time if they met. The finals in which SlayerS won Alicia took out NesTea AND Losira. I doubt something like that would ever happen again. Not that they got lucky or anything that match, Alicia obviously played amazingly, but especially with PvZ favoring Zergs more and more recently, the only person who could take down IM's trifecta of players is MMA, and he wouldn't take out all 3 of them. Except for Ganzi, he could beat Mvp maybe. And in Individual results they don't even compare. But SlayerS is the 2nd best SC2 team :D
Haters gonna hate...
On topic: This truely goes to show that the state of current media has hit rock bottom, shameless and wicked.
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On June 30 2011 00:16 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 00:10 grudgeStar wrote:
Boxer created the best SC2 team, and it is not based upon 1 or 2 players carrying the entire team (IM/oGs). SlayerS taught they're players to work hard and be supportive, and they won 2 GSTL's in a row.
Thinking Boxer would roflpwn everything in SC2 is just stupid. IM is the best SC2 team. SlayerS wouldn't beat IM a second time if they met. The finals in which SlayerS won Alicia took out NesTea AND Losira. I doubt something like that would ever happen again. Not that they got lucky or anything that match, Alicia obviously played amazingly, but especially with PvZ favoring Zergs more and more recently, the only person who could take down IM's trifecta of players is MMA, and he wouldn't take out all 3 of them. Except for Ganzi, he could beat Mvp maybe. And in Individual results they don't even compare. But SlayerS is the 2nd best SC2 team :D
There's a reason IM didn't make GSTL last season, and people don't call a team that not make top 8 in team league a best team...
Although no one argues that their players are some of the best.
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On June 29 2011 23:23 thoradycus wrote:
the retarded "journalist" fails to account for boxer owning the NASL
You fail to account for the fact that in Korea, the NASL means absolutely nothing. So far, it's nothing but an amateur online league. Boxer is still the man though.
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The question is why should she even care what some guy in the media says? As an actress she should know that by now. Instead she decides to give it more attention? lmao
It's the same shit time and time again.
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Since Kespa vs Blizzard IP right dispute, many esport media do not write any SC2 articles except something negative. If you understand koreans, you can easily check it out. Generally it is believed for Koreans that kespa's forced them. fomos had stopped writing sc2 articles since dispute and their sc2 repoters moved to thisisgame.com and thisisgame is writing sc2 articles now.
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=reporter&wr_id=789
this is pathetic reasoning for fomos not writing sc2 articles. you can see they HATE GOM and GSL.
For that, Korean sc2 fans usually distrust those esports media as a kespa's servant and are suspicious when they write about something relate with sc2. Her anger is generally based on that kind of disbelief.
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On June 29 2011 23:52 mikyaJ wrote:
This is like when NaDa switched to SC2 >.<
i think this is kespa doing,maybe when they heard boxer inviting yellow to sc2 they make bad articles for boxer and sc2. so the other scbw pros dont switch or it just revenge on that yellow retirement ceremony when boxer give sc2box. they dont want yellow to sc2 and make sc2 more popular in korea
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It's a war game and I am a general. When I command the troops in battle, there are those who fight, but there are also those who hide. I would go find the soldiers who were hiding and kill them myself. Just like in the real army, there can be no deserters. But to those that worked hard, I would never hesitate in distributing my own equipment, healthpacks and other things.
We manage the team in a way much like the army.
So I called in MMA and told him "Go and win. If you don't win, don't come back"
she is so nice and such a hard worker, but soooooooooo scarry, no wonder Slayers is doing well
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seriously why kespa exist? OGN and MBC can exist without them they can make rules on their own.
kespa put shitty rules to look them they have purpose. they are just greedy people
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On June 30 2011 00:54 vertical101 wrote:
seriously why kespa exist? OGN and MBC can exist without them they can make rules on their own.
kespa put shitty rules to look them they have purpose. they are just greedy people
What does KeSPA have to do with this?
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On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.: Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards. Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player** and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat]. The rest of the article is about the games themselves. Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요.. Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face. **Edit 3: goddamn my Korean sucks bad. OK, so on second reading, this sentence actually looks like its saying Boxer lost against smarter play by his opponent. I will now shut the hell up and stop sowing confusion.
thx for the effort made, mate. a shame how some youngsters write about boxer without the due respect.
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On June 30 2011 00:57 Headshot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 00:54 vertical101 wrote:
seriously why kespa exist? OGN and MBC can exist without them they can make rules on their own.
kespa put shitty rules to look them they have purpose. they are just greedy people What does KeSPA have to do with this?
because i think they are the one who order media to write negative about sc2. like what they did to nada and they even removed his record
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Boxer just havent been able to practice as much as he practiced in starcraft 1. That shoulder injury really much reduce hes playing time, also coaching the team and being a super celebrity does not help you to get better in game. Some people think that Boxer is already too old, but if you look at NesTea or WhiteRa etc. thats not the case. If Boxer would be able to practice like he practiced back in SC1 he would be able to win GSL easily.
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On June 29 2011 22:57 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 22:50 Orome wrote:
If the translation on page 2 is precise, I think she's overreacting a little here. It's not the greatest piece of journalism ever, but I don't think it's so bad it warrants an uproar over it. That said, I'm sure there's parts of the story we're missing here, has bashing on Sc2-turned BW players been common on BW news sites? Well if you call Code B the 'bottom' it's a pretty bad misuse of the word IMO. Also it's rather difficult to stay in Code A due to the amount of competition around. It does not imply a downfall. It's a slump for sure, but what I get from the article is that Boxer has fallen from grace. It's also quite ridiculous that the author fails to mention how Boxer stayed in Code A last season, and how Boxer has done extremely well in NASL. Oh, and also it fails to remember how Boxer hasn't been a top player in SC1 for a couple of years now and he only made it to the Ro4 once, when the game was still new and less developed. I'll hardly call that being a top tier player. I feel the anger's rather warranted.
Yes, the wording is poor and slightly sensationalist, but is it honestly that big a deal? And he's writing a report on Boxer's last games, why would he mention him staying in Code A last season or mention NASL, an online league with mostly foreigners where the only Korean Boxer played was Zenio, who he lost to? This isn't supposed to be some grand journalist effort on Boxer's career, it's just a small piece on how his last games went. Not a great article, but hardly anything to be outraged over.
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Boxer is not the best SC2 player by any stretch, but he didn't seem to be playing his best last night.
Both games he opened up really well but as the game drew out his control started to slip. Boxer isn't really known for perfect macro but he is known for exceptional unit control, and he's shown us exceptional control in SC2 time and time again.
Things like leaving armies stationary, sieging tanks too late, not dealing with drops quickly etc. are all just not characteristic of him. I heard that his shoulder was bothering him, and I bet shoulder pain could be the cause of him opening well but not being able to follow through late game.
Really hope he recovers by the next qualifiers.
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This angers me too, anyone who's seen boxer knows how good he is. He comes up with some the most creative stuff i've seen. Not to mention Slayers is an incredible team that he put together. Jessica is right, that journalist is garbage.
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This article is so biased, it is not even funny... I believe we will see a Boxer comeback in the next few months.
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Can anyone translate the tweets between jessica and MC?
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Don't even try to make fun of (or take lightly) someone who is constantly practicing while grabbing his shoulder in pain. I'll never forgive you. Let's see what you have to say after you've been doing ANYTHING for 10 years straight, 10 hours a day. You could never pull anything off like that.
This... Boxer is a hero... practicing 10 hours a day grabbing shoulder in pain....All of my support goes out to the emperor
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lol at this BoxeR failing haha having a team that has won team league twice in a row in a game that is out for 1 year.Having sponsors great team house great players is failing...jzs Rome wasn't build in one day and BoxeR didn't became "the Emperor" by one day give him time right now look at how many good players are in code A and code B....July,DGR,MMA,Alicia,MKP all in the low tier GSL.If BoxeR was practiing non-stop without worrying for his team,sponsors and all the other things i can see him top3 in the game.
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Can anyone translate the conversations between SlayersJessica and MC/MMA/etc that's been happening on twitter?
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damn man Jessica is a tough bitch. <3_<3.
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This writer getting up in arms over Boxer losing one bo3 is nonsense. It was TvT and the games we're close. It's like Boxer just became bad because he lost to a no name who BTW played very well last night to beat him. Boxers played more bad games then expected from a good player but hes had plenty of genius games mixed in too.
I guess this is what you get when OGN and MBC own the media.
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On June 30 2011 01:39 Severus_ wrote:
lol at this BoxeR failing haha having a team that has won team league twice in a row in a game that is out for 1 year.Having sponsors great team house great players is failing...jzs Rome wasn't build in one day and BoxeR didn't became "the Emperor" by one day give him time right now look at how many good players are in code A and code B....July,DGR,MMA,Alicia,MKP all in the low tier GSL.If BoxeR was practiing non-stop without worrying for his team,sponsors and all the other things i can see him top3 in the game.
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July/Alicia still in Code S and MKP is in Up and Down matches to stay in Code S, they're not in A or B...
Boxer is past his prime, not gonna be a top-level Code S player, but he could still be very good. (Code A/low Code S)
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It's probably hidden revenge because BoxeR promoted SC2 when YellOw officially retired.
J/k, the media is often dumb.
Edit: Boxer got a nice gf. She's so supportive of him, especially that he plays a computer game.
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Haha Jessica is pissed
I really don't see why people make a big fuss over getting knocked out. Wow, 1 first round loss means so much. You have 2 bad games at the wrong time and suddenly you're in a "slump."
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There's a lot of good people who failed to qualify for GSL.
DRG being another good example.
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Rofl so many fucking stupid people putting kespa into this, shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.
User was temp banned for this post.
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I don't get why some people seem to be cheering for BoxeR to exit pro play. Is that really what you want? The person who basically caused Starcraft to go ANYWHERE at all not to be involved as a player anymore?
Sure, he'll make an amazing coach, but I want to see him kick ass.
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Honestly, his shoulder is probably the reason boxer went mech. Why would Boxer ever go mech? he's been a bio/dropship guy for a decade.
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someone tell the koreans to stop being so harsh on their own.
chill the fuck out yo, its still just a game at the end of the day.
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Boxer will never fall in my eyes! Forever the Emperor!
Screw that 'reporter' and their' bullshit drama angles.
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I thought people got sent to jail for writing something like that in Korea :|
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if its the best for him he should stop but i think since his such a hudge competitive player i dont think he wants to go out like that
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On June 30 2011 02:42 willoc wrote:
Boxer will never fall in my eyes! Forever the Emperor!
Screw that 'reporter' and their' bullshit drama angles.
On June 30 2011 02:44 Gurgl wrote:
I thought people got sent to jail for writing something like that in Korea :|
Am I reading the same article? It just seemed like he pretty much said that Boxer looked like he may be the first to do well in both sc1 and sc2, but didn't do well recently against asd. He quickly summerized the games and explained why Boxer lost.
I really don't see why this article is so bad. I could definitely understand if it said something like "Many of us knew Boxer didn't have the potential to play well" or just blatantly insulted him... but it seemed like a relatively average article... unless you were expecting them to praise him even as he lost.
What am I missing here?
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His career is over unless he gets surgery on his shoulder. An injury like the one he was will never go away if he keeps playing like this, it's time to take a true break and let his body heal.
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IM not keeping up with sc2 news in Korea. Is it kicking or still warm on SK?
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Blazinghand
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Man, BoxeR's got a pretty outspoken girlfriend! He's a lucky man to have someone who will stand up for him like that. I hope he feels better soon
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The article may be hard on Boxer, but the sad truth is he made the less successful transition from Broodwar of the three ex-champions. Nada is a strong player even if he trains way less than most people because of his university, and JulyZerg was a GSL finalist.
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Break the reporters fingers and then tell him to rewrite the article in a race against a child and lets see if he thinks that's end of his career!
Slayers_Boxer Fighting!
Slayers_Jessica Fighting!
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 30 2011 03:34 legaton wrote:
The article may be hard on Boxer, but the sad truth is he made the less successful transition from Broodwar of the three ex-champions. Nada is a strong player even if he trains way less than most people because of his university, and JulyZerg was a GSL finalist.
On the other hand, I think that BoxeR made the best transition in terms of joining/forming/creating/coaching a good team. SlayerS players are fun to watch and the team as a whole is very successful. I hope he gets back into code S someday... it's pretty hard to get in. The Emperor shall return!!!
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Haha oh man, Jessica is definitely ride or die. Much props.
I believe stuff like this can only motivate BoxeR further. He is one of those pathological competitors of the Michael Jordan mold. Slights like this can fuel excellence from him.
I hope he gets healthy, uses this as motivation, and in a couple of months fights his way to the top of the game.
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As much as I would to experience the Cinderella drama of the Rise of the Emperor, I must confess that I believe Boxer should retire from gaming for his own personal benefit.
What drives Boxer on, besides his fans, is that he is trying to prove to the younger pro-gamer generation that it is possible to play in your 30s and prove the society that pro-gaming can be a real career.
He is trying so hard for the sake of others.
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Bashing Boxer is pretty sad. I hope he can recover from his injury and keep playing!
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Bashing the Emperor when he is down, what a classy move...I hope he will return and this journalist will eat his words.
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The article is pretty ridiculous. Just because you fall to code B doesn't mean you are a bad player. DongRaeGu is supposed to be completely amazing and he is in Code B. The whole GSL format is unforgiving.
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The GSL format is just too messed up and luck dependent on who you draw. There's a reason why every single GSL finals (with the exception of one) has been a 4-0/4-1 pushover. The GSL format simply does not ensure the most skilled players proceed.
Basically GOM is still hung up on GSL1/2 when idiots accused them of stacking the brackets, so now they still do the lottery system of brackets instead of a more fair style like Swiss.
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Boxer is and will always be a fan favorite. He is a beast and I hope he gets well soon.
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Falling to Code B is no shame. When players like DRG still haven't qualified for Code A.
And MMA falling down to code B :S
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obviously it's just a news article, and just like all news articles they try to get people to read it by doing dramatic stuff...
especially with how we know boxer, he's definitely not going to retire
and damn asd was pretty good
It's OK though guys, he has an awesome team to practice with and there are shit tons of great players in Code B now.
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There has been plenty of this non-sense about all the best players in the past.
I like what Jessica said about 10 years, 10 hours a day. I also think that she solidified herself as the most badass chick in gaming.
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I didn't even follow BW, and I didn't know about boxer until i started following sc2.
But from what I learnt about him in the past year from his games, his interviews and his documentary. I have gain enough respect for this man to say: he can lose the next 100 games on television, but he is still the motherfucking Emperor of Starcraft.
This man stands for something greater than just the game itself, any attempt to insult him will be idiotic.
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Personal skill level isn't everything, being an effective leader/coach/mentor to his players, and making them as strong as possible seems like a great legacy and effective use of his time. I wouldn't call that falling.
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On June 30 2011 00:16 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 00:10 grudgeStar wrote:
Boxer created the best SC2 team, and it is not based upon 1 or 2 players carrying the entire team (IM/oGs). SlayerS taught they're players to work hard and be supportive, and they won 2 GSTL's in a row.
Thinking Boxer would roflpwn everything in SC2 is just stupid. IM is the best SC2 team. SlayerS wouldn't beat IM a second time if they met. The finals in which SlayerS won Alicia took out NesTea AND Losira. I doubt something like that would ever happen again. Not that they got lucky or anything that match, Alicia obviously played amazingly, but especially with PvZ favoring Zergs more and more recently, the only person who could take down IM's trifecta of players is MMA, and he wouldn't take out all 3 of them. Except for Ganzi, he could beat Mvp maybe. And in Individual results they don't even compare. But SlayerS is the 2nd best SC2 team :D
Uhuh? Because IM will beat slayers in an imaginary situation that happened inside your brain; which to you proves their skill more than a FINAL MATCH that ALREADY HAPPENED in real life.
That's why slayers is not as good as IM?
Okay.....
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Boxer will allways be my hero no matter how bad he plays. I will allways support him!
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I still enjoyed the games. So for me it doesn't matter, I'll be a boxer fan till the day I die.
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This is silly. Boxer's downfall if you want to call it that happened years ago well he was still involved in BW. He was crap in the later years, so I really don't see how this is any different
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Did anyone watch Boxer's Wings (documentary)? He's had this shoulder problem for months ever since GSL2. They had X-rays done and it looks to be chronic. I'm not sure if it can be fixed. Boxer has played way more games than any other professional gamer. If you look beyond age at total games played, he's got a LOT more mileage on his body than any other pro. It's amazing he's even competing at this level still.
And journalists are vultures, especially tabloid ones. He's probably happy he got a response out of SlayersJessica. It just means more interest in his article. You read anything these days and it has to be hyper sensationlized to sell. People are so used to it, they don't even find it abnormal. They just think it's a journalist being a journalist when he delves into hyperbole.
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Kinda silly from Jessica. It's irrelevant whether Boxer lost because of his injury or not. A downfall is a downfall. She's taking the whole thing as a personal attack.
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On June 30 2011 02:54 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 02:42 willoc wrote:
Boxer will never fall in my eyes! Forever the Emperor!
Screw that 'reporter' and their' bullshit drama angles. Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 02:44 Gurgl wrote:
I thought people got sent to jail for writing something like that in Korea :| Am I reading the same article? It just seemed like he pretty much said that Boxer looked like he may be the first to do well in both sc1 and sc2, but didn't do well recently against asd. He quickly summerized the games and explained why Boxer lost. I really don't see why this article is so bad. I could definitely understand if it said something like "Many of us knew Boxer didn't have the potential to play well" or just blatantly insulted him... but it seemed like a relatively average article... unless you were expecting them to praise him even as he lost. What am I missing here?
From the tone of the articles it seems like the reporter is trying to put the final nails in the coffin for Boxer's career. Do you see them writing any articles about other players who got knocked out from Code A? It seems to me like the reporter is subtly 'shaming' Boxer. I could be wrong, of course, as I am reading the translation but it feels like a very negative article.
Also, notice that the article seems to omit Boxer's success in the foreign scene and the success of his team.
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look at the success of the slayers team. i wonder if Boxer had anything to do with that hmmm?
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I was so majorly depressed to see him lose game 1 in that fashion and then subsequently lose the match. I wanted BoxeR to continue his presence in the esports scene. luckily we'll still have GSTL to see him, and I hope he is able to recover from his shoulder injury so that he can make it back into Code A and subsequently Code S, but Code B gets harder and harder now that his own teammates are there (MMA, Min, and other up and comers). I fear the day we don't see televised matches of BoxeR in sc2 already so early in the scene's development.
<3 BoxeR and I hope he returns to fighting form and code A once again. This Article is harsh and mentions nothing about his ailment making it seem like it was all just his own fault. I'm with Jessica in that it was bs, and Lim Yo-Hwan shall have my support forever. FIGHTING!
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He has only fallen so that he can rise up greater than ever.
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It's nice for jessica to stick up for BoxeR, but over-the-top ranting should be done privately. Starting feuds is only going to bring more stress and attention to BoxeR...
Besides I'm sure this isn't the first article to coin the downfall of BoxeR. There probably were a lot of articles back in BW named "Emperor overthrown" or "Fall of the dynasty" blah blah.
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well, his recent play obviously wasnt too great, but there is even a reason for it (his shoulder problems) and he is by no means the only good player in code B. i guess no-one is doubting the skill of mma, thestc or DRG and yet they are in code B aswell.
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Everyone has his ups and downs. Nobody is saying MMA is going down because he dropped down to code B. We all know he will be back. And with Boxer it is not different. At the moment it just seems like his opponents can read him in the early in midgame like an open book, but after this he still plays like a genius. The only problem is every one knows he will try to drop or send some banshees, so they can prepare for this and screw him off. It is nothing about skill he just is to predictable. If he somehow manages to get more unpredictable in the early and midgame, he will come back to code S very soon.
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BoxeR will come back for sure!
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I feel that BoxeR honestly just needs to stop worrying about GSL and competitions for a little while and just focus on practicing and getting back the essence/playstyle that is BoxeR. We see from MMA and Ryung's playstyles and their relative successes that BoxeR still has potential. I feel that he's being impatient and given his age and physical condition. Hopefully he'll buckle down and prepare for NASL and I sincerely hoping to seeing BoxeR doing well in the near future. LIM YO HWAN/SLAYERSBOXER HWAITING!!!!!!!
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Isn't Boxer in the top 16 of NASL? Isn't that better than Nada? Code B isn't really that bad. There's so many good players in Korea that you can lose to even if you're the best player in the world.
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I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
If you don't know why he gets so much attention, you should maybe google his name.....
He is a legend in all sense of the word in the world of Starcraft. He redefined the way the game was played, won tons of championships, and he is an incredibly humble and nice person.
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this article offends my religous feeling burn the traitor
NASL BOXER FIGHTING
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On June 30 2011 08:37 Elite__ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play. If you don't know why he gets so much attention, you should maybe google his name..... He is a legend in all sense of the word in the world of Starcraft. He redefined the way the game was played, won tons of championships, and he is an incredibly humble and nice person.
Not just starcraft, the world of esports. we wouldn't have what we have it wasn't for the emperor. He essentially created the excitement of SCBW with his at the time dominance and inventive play of a race that was largely seen as broken (underpowered). He created the first pro team, which eventually began proleague. Almost everything esports from southern korea has happened because BoxeR had his hand in it. Claiming that just because you never heard of this guy is no excuse setmeal. That's more of a sign of your ignorance than it is of this article.
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I hope he sticks around California after the NASL to go to MLG and get a GSL spot again.
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
Boxer is more or less what made the entire Esport industry legitimate & popular. He was utterly dominating, creative beyond belief and still remained incredibly humble and charismatic. Everyone loved and loves him and combined with his financial success, it made esports into serious business. No matter how great a player is, nothing turns eyes like saying a creative and loved player yields ~500k a year playing a computer game. THAT turns eyes. Plus, he's handsome. Actually, he's about as perfect of an icon for an (e)sports industry as anyone can possibly hope for.
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
Are you bragging about your ignorance on a site dedicated entirely to e-sports? Boxer, in a large part made watching and playing SC possible in the form that it is today.
And he's still better than 95% of foreigners. And he runs a team. There are simply too many good players that aren't a part of the GSL format, but those are just temporary setbacks.
Next time just stop your post @ bold.
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I will always be a boxer fan
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Glad to see BW is still booming quite nicely in Korea. Sad that they used this opportunity to bash Boxer though. He is Boxer after all and will bounce back I believe. He is just been incredibly busy with other things and not getting the practice time in that he needs.
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
You are not very bright
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
If you don't know why this guy gets so much attention why don't you go look him up in Liquipedia.
SC2 is and always will be in the shadow of BW's pro scene and magnificent history; to truly understand SC2's scene you have to look back for perspective. You can choose to remain ignorant and sound like an obnoxious scrub (especially on this forum) or do 30 minutes of reading to realize that there is 10 years fresh on the minds of everyone involved in esports.
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The one difference between real sports and e-sports is there isn't really a time off to recover and heal. There's an off-season to rest up, have surgery if needed, and just re-charge your batteries. That's not the case in e-sports. If you take the time off, you're missing multiple tournaments that you really can't afford to miss. So while it sucks that he got demoted to Code B, hopefully he'll be able to take some time off and heal up if any injury really is bothering him.
As to the actual article, it's stupid for any news article to have a bias towards it. It's one thing if it's a column, but a hard news story should not have bias in it. Very unprofessional and I could definitely understand why some would be upset if the hard news article had bias in it instead of strictly reporting the facts like they should.
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
So, by your logic every player who gets eliminated from Code A deserves to get an article on Korea's #1 search portal, telling them how they've now hit rock bottom? Ok...
Let's see, Moon, Maka, Hyperdub, Squirtle, TopClass, finale, Line.... (I could go on).
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
Yeah, I'm totally on the same page as you. I was in an intro to neurobio course, and they were talking about this guy called Santiago. I mean, I don't know this dude gets so much attention. I never heard of him until I started taking neurobiology, but there always seems to be a fuss.
Forget all his contributions to the field and the past, I mean I can just google this stuff now. In truth, his beard looks gay as hell AND he's dead (dude was born in the 1800's or something, like I care LOL).
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All that needs to be said, is a warhammer40k quote,
"FOR THE EMPEROR AND ALL HIS GLORY!!"
I don't care if he works for burger king he is still the emperor.
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I am so sad that Boxer dropped out to code B. Sure he didn't provide the best games in code A yet, but I had faith he will reach that point eventually where he will provide awesome games. I still hold hope that he will return from Code B and go to Code S soon.
I am concerned that he might go for coaching full time or something along those lines. Sure it will make Slayers somewhat stronger ( maybe?) but I will surely miss seeing Boxer play. He is still playing in NASL and hopefully he will regain his confidence there and go really far. I really loved the intensity of his games in the earlier seasons of GSL when the stream would drop out due to people tuning in to watch him. I loved how he gave SC1 legend Yellow a SC2 copy and told him to come to SlayerS :D . I really like how Jessica is so envolved in eSports. I admire his team that he put up and the sick awesome players he raised up from the pits of anonymity. I really admire his passion and his dedication to promoting eSports, playing SC2 and building his team.
So hopefully if he reads this he will cheer up, pick up the pieces and start his new journey to CodeS. BOXER HWAAATIIINNGG! :D Jessica Fightiiing too! :D
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On June 30 2011 10:07 Ucs wrote:
I am so sad that Boxer dropped out to code B. Sure he didn't provide the best games in code A yet, but I had faith he will reach that point eventually where he will provide awesome games. I still hold hope that he will return from Code B and go to Code S soon.
I am concerned that he might go for coaching full time or something along those lines. Sure it will make Slayers somewhat stronger ( maybe?) but I will surely miss seeing Boxer play. He is still playing in NASL and hopefully he will regain his confidence there and go really far. I really loved the intensity of his games in the earlier seasons of GSL when the stream would drop out due to people tuning in to watch him. I loved how he gave SC1 legend Yellow a SC2 copy and told him to come to SlayerS :D . I really like how Jessica is so envolved in eSports. I admire his team that he put up and the sick awesome players he raised up from the pits of anonymity. I really admire his passion and his dedication to promoting eSports, playing SC2 and building his team.
So hopefully if he reads this he will cheer up, pick up the pieces and start his new journey to CodeS. BOXER HWAAATIIINNGG! :D Jessica Fightiiing too! :D
Unfortunately he's facing MC in the first round of the NASL finals :/
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Regarding the article, I'm much more annoyed by the fact that the journalist clearly has no idea of how well Boxer is truly doing. If one is a journalist, he/she should first research everything he/she can on the subject before making such ridiculous posts. And the journalist has no excuse about whether or not he/she could gain access to Boxer's foreign tournament results. The TSL was shown on GOM, and he was one of the two Koreans that made it deep into the tournament. The Teamliquid site is now known somewhat throughout the E-Sports community in even Korea that to not know of Boxer's results in NASL is showing not only the imcompetence of the journalist's ability to research, but also the journalist's lack of care he has for his article and is only looking to rile up the public (which I think are actually succeeding more due to Slayers_Jessica talking about it)
I truly hope that this journalist never gains popularity and will stay at the bottom of the barrel. I hope that when Boxer wins a GSL, everyone will say: "I told you so".
So Journalist, please go and report on SNSD's Tiffany's nail. Nobody wants an incompetent journalist like you writing slander about a man who helped shape SC and, in my opinion, SC2.
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I dont see a problem with this article. Its standard practice to overdramatize the performance of top athletes in a newspaper article. In boulevard press, often times the journalists invent fitting nick names to describe an especially good or bad performance which sometimes are a lot more insulting than anything in this article. Really, if esports wants to get the same popularity as real sports, sensationlistic newspaper articles should be taken for granted. Ever read english boulevard press when England plays Germany in soccer? Now that shit is bad. This article doesnt even come close to the disrespect level of tons of newspaper articles on real sports out there.
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With the way it was translated, the article didn't seem as inflammatory as I thought it was.
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On June 30 2011 10:13 diehilde wrote:
Ever read english boulevard press when England plays Germany in soccer? Now that shit is bad. This article doesnt even come close to the disrespect level of tons of newspaper articles on real sports out there.
But this isn't football, I see no reason to make that comparison in the first place.
Anyway, it's a pointless attention-seeking article. Cheap internet "journalism" at it's best.
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typical korean article.
you guys and hopefully every that has read this article, ignore it.
its an article to get attention with the household name "Boxer".
it really isn't news worthy. the title isn't "Fall of the Emperor", its "Boxer's GSL Code A Summery".
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yea, real downfall, boxer just beat top players like sen and idra to make it into the grandfinals of NASL
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On June 29 2011 21:54 Rayonnair wrote:My Korean is terribad. Reading the article, it is basically saying how Boxer has fallen. The tone is somewhat insulting, which is why SlayerS_Jessica is mad as hell. For e.g.: Para 1 of the article: You can't imagine this happening. Boxer, at one time a player in SC1 and SC2, has fallen to Code B PC cafe level standards. Para 2 of the article: At GSL July Code A, Boxer couldn't find his face against a relative unknown player** and fell 2-0 (direct translation is blunter: lost 2-0 without strength collapsed). [Something about tasting defeat]. The rest of the article is about the games themselves. Edit: apparently SlayerS_Jessica is avoiding tweeting in English in case Boxer's foreign fans laugh at him? Tweet here. Extract: + Show Spoiler +이런 기사를 쓰니 이스포츠가 스포츠대접을 못받아요. 어느 종목의스포츠 기사에 사심을넣어서 경기결과를 알려쥽디까! 스포츠기자로서의자질이 있는건지....혹시 가쉽기사 쓸려다가 클릭수 획득할려고 임요환 물었음? 감정컨트롤 안되네 징짜..내가 트윗에 영어로 안쓰는건 정말 당신이 쓴 기사 보고 해외팬들이 웃을까봐 안쓰요.. Edit 2 for clarity: on reading her tweet it's more like "the" foreign fans will laugh, so I don't think it means the foreign fans will laugh *at* Boxer. Rather, she is being nice and trying to save the article writer's face. **Edit 3: goddamn my Korean sucks bad. OK, so on second reading, this sentence actually looks like its saying Boxer lost against smarter play by his opponent. I will now shut the hell up and stop sowing confusion.
translation of jessica's tweet:
Because of articles (news) like these, esports do not get the same level of respect as other sports. What kind of sport puts emotion into their articles to tell the story? Don't know if the reporter has the right to be a 'sports reporter'... Did you bite (choose, negative connotation) Boxer's story so you can write a gossip article and get clicks (online article)? I can't control my emotions... I'm not tweeting in English so that foreign fans don't laugh at your article
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Thank Kva for the translation.
Anyone think that despite the Empress' idea that the foreign fans don't laugh at the article, we really should show our solidarity with Boxer and each write an e-mail supporting Boxer to this article writer?
Let him know that not even biting articles against a man's honor can take away the respect that Boxer has earned over the years? That he's wrong and that Boxer's performance in other leagues show that he's still got it?
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On June 30 2011 10:34 koolaid1990 wrote:
yea, real downfall, boxer just beat top players like sen and idra to make it into the grandfinals of NASL
Exactly. GSL may be "THE" tournament, but it's not the only tournament. Boxer is fine and has had some extremely good showing.
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http://twitter.com/#!/SlayerS_Jessica
Read from bottom to top, like Twitter works.
She's written in English regarding the issue, and she is evidently incredibly upset about the entire affair, and from the looks of it so is BoxeR... what the words of one bastard can do. :/
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Cheer up boxer/jessica, your true fans still love the emperor.
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wow, she is on fire via twitter o.O...
hope no one take the article seriously bc thats clearly bs.
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I hope they don't take the article too seriously...
...The article itself is written by a Code D reporter from a Code C news website that's a failure in Korea. It's like an upgraded version of the Enquirer or the Star Ledger in the United States at best. They have some sports, some celebrity gossip, and then the usual weird stupid news nobody cares about unless they're stuck in traffic and ran out of coffee. All players have their ups&downs and knowing Boxer's training and overall skill set he has the potential to rise again.
So no need to worry...Jessica's just worried because people who have no idea what's really the case will read it and judge Boxer which is understandable. But why is a Code D reporter writing terrible news...but I guess it's freedom of speech...so you can write all the garbage you want and waste your time.
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Can someone translate the tweets between her and MC and Leenock? Hopefully they offer words of support!
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On July 01 2011 00:01 kakaman wrote:
Can someone translate the tweets between her and MC and Leenock? Hopefully they offer words of support!
lolol she told off leenock because he referred to her as "noona" (big sis), told him to call her (e-mo or aunt) prob cause she is 20+ years older than leenock keke also told him to study hard on his english, she is getting by with hs learned english.. hehe
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I hate how this article belittles all his opponents too.
What the hell. anything but 0% win rate in the professional level is highly skilled and games are fun to watch.
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On June 30 2011 10:09 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:07 Ucs wrote:
I am so sad that Boxer dropped out to code B. Sure he didn't provide the best games in code A yet, but I had faith he will reach that point eventually where he will provide awesome games. I still hold hope that he will return from Code B and go to Code S soon.
I am concerned that he might go for coaching full time or something along those lines. Sure it will make Slayers somewhat stronger ( maybe?) but I will surely miss seeing Boxer play. He is still playing in NASL and hopefully he will regain his confidence there and go really far. I really loved the intensity of his games in the earlier seasons of GSL when the stream would drop out due to people tuning in to watch him. I loved how he gave SC1 legend Yellow a SC2 copy and told him to come to SlayerS :D . I really like how Jessica is so envolved in eSports. I admire his team that he put up and the sick awesome players he raised up from the pits of anonymity. I really admire his passion and his dedication to promoting eSports, playing SC2 and building his team.
So hopefully if he reads this he will cheer up, pick up the pieces and start his new journey to CodeS. BOXER HWAAATIIINNGG! :D Jessica Fightiiing too! :D
Unfortunately he's facing MC in the first round of the NASL finals :/
Unfortunately for MC you mean. You think Boxer doesn't have the capability to beat him, with injured shoulder and all? This is what heroes do.
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seems like boxer is going crazy with practice
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On July 01 2011 00:28 Johnny_Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:09 Olinim wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 Ucs wrote:
I am so sad that Boxer dropped out to code B. Sure he didn't provide the best games in code A yet, but I had faith he will reach that point eventually where he will provide awesome games. I still hold hope that he will return from Code B and go to Code S soon.
I am concerned that he might go for coaching full time or something along those lines. Sure it will make Slayers somewhat stronger ( maybe?) but I will surely miss seeing Boxer play. He is still playing in NASL and hopefully he will regain his confidence there and go really far. I really loved the intensity of his games in the earlier seasons of GSL when the stream would drop out due to people tuning in to watch him. I loved how he gave SC1 legend Yellow a SC2 copy and told him to come to SlayerS :D . I really like how Jessica is so envolved in eSports. I admire his team that he put up and the sick awesome players he raised up from the pits of anonymity. I really admire his passion and his dedication to promoting eSports, playing SC2 and building his team.
So hopefully if he reads this he will cheer up, pick up the pieces and start his new journey to CodeS. BOXER HWAAATIIINNGG! :D Jessica Fightiiing too! :D
Unfortunately he's facing MC in the first round of the NASL finals :/ Unfortunately for MC you mean. You think Boxer doesn't have the capability to beat him, with injured shoulder and all? This is what heroes do.
This was inspirational ^^
Edit: More people should be tweeting @SlayerS_Jessica to show our support!
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On June 30 2011 08:34 setmeal wrote:
I don't know why this guy gets so much attention. I never heard of this guy until SC2 and everyone seems to make so much fuss about him. In truth, his play is at best average and his time in the sun is over. Reporters have the right to free speech and to express their views. In my opinion, Boxer deserves to be criticised for his poor play.
Sounds like someone needs a lesson in StarCraft Broodwar, if you don't know why this guy commands so much attention. That's like almost being completely ignorant on StarCraft and not knowing who Boxer is.
Seriously though, you should really learn who he is. He may not be as great as he was in the past, but like any influential person, he has raised the bar of eSports many times.
It looks like Jessica is just annoyed that the article is so aggressive towards Boxer and that's probably what set her off. Probably nothing more than that. If so, I don't think its justified to say that Boxer should be judged upon his performance just now. Soon enough, I think those in Korea will open up a bit more about how tournaments go about the world now. Slowly but surely.
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"A real fan does not care about results alone.
A real fan has the ability to support his idol even when they are in trouble
I am this kind of fan."
Boxer. I will always support you no matter what.
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Well if you look at the advertisement left and right you can tell what kind of site this is.
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On July 01 2011 00:28 Johnny_Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:09 Olinim wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 Ucs wrote:
I am so sad that Boxer dropped out to code B. Sure he didn't provide the best games in code A yet, but I had faith he will reach that point eventually where he will provide awesome games. I still hold hope that he will return from Code B and go to Code S soon.
I am concerned that he might go for coaching full time or something along those lines. Sure it will make Slayers somewhat stronger ( maybe?) but I will surely miss seeing Boxer play. He is still playing in NASL and hopefully he will regain his confidence there and go really far. I really loved the intensity of his games in the earlier seasons of GSL when the stream would drop out due to people tuning in to watch him. I loved how he gave SC1 legend Yellow a SC2 copy and told him to come to SlayerS :D . I really like how Jessica is so envolved in eSports. I admire his team that he put up and the sick awesome players he raised up from the pits of anonymity. I really admire his passion and his dedication to promoting eSports, playing SC2 and building his team.
So hopefully if he reads this he will cheer up, pick up the pieces and start his new journey to CodeS. BOXER HWAAATIIINNGG! :D Jessica Fightiiing too! :D
Unfortunately he's facing MC in the first round of the NASL finals :/ Unfortunately for MC you mean. You think Boxer doesn't have the capability to beat him, with injured shoulder and all? This is what heroes do.
A man can dream I suppose ^.^
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On June 30 2011 10:13 diehilde wrote:
I dont see a problem with this article. Its standard practice to overdramatize the performance of top athletes in a newspaper article. In boulevard press, often times the journalists invent fitting nick names to describe an especially good or bad performance which sometimes are a lot more insulting than anything in this article. Really, if esports wants to get the same popularity as real sports, sensationlistic newspaper articles should be taken for granted. Ever read english boulevard press when England plays Germany in soccer? Now that shit is bad. This article doesnt even come close to the disrespect level of tons of newspaper articles on real sports out there.
1. This is not a sport.
2. Just because things are a certain way does not mean they SHOULD be that way. If people thought the way you did, slavery would still exist.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious though!
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What downfall? The way I see it, SC2 has a much tighter "top" bracket, and those top 64/128 slots are all very hard to hold, and even harder to win. It's just unlucky that in this particular situation, on this map, and in this tournament he lost. In other tournaments Boxer has done much better! It's nothing to scoff at. Boxer 하이팅!
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I don't see any downfall of boxer at all. Boxer was never good in SC2 at all. He was at best average only. His skill level has remained rather stagnant while others have overtaken him. This happens all the time. Why so much fuss over this?
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Before Boxer coached them people like Alicia and MMA were no names, look at them now. MMA winning MLG, Alicia in code S. SlayerS was a team started from scratch and ended up winning 2 GSTLs back to back, and people have the nerve to say "oh he did nothing in SC2". Sure he got dropped out of Code A, but so did Moon (beat bomber in dreamhack) Dongraegu (no explanation required) and many others. Plus impressive performance at NASL and TSL3.
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On July 01 2011 14:42 setmeal wrote:
I don't see any downfall of boxer at all. Boxer was never good in SC2 at all. He was at best average only. His skill level has remained rather stagnant while others have overtaken him. This happens all the time. Why so much fuss over this?
So im guessing you dont think ANY foreigners are good then right? because boxer is better than almost all of our foreigner hero's (that arent in korea) he went 7-1 in nasl stomping foreigners and beating what many people call the best foreigners (sen and idra) so sure if you only think all the best foreigners are average at best.
Sure i understand alot of people hold koreans and foreigners to different standards,, but that shouldnt be the case in sc2 anymore. Also you said boxer has never been good at sc2, so you dont think getting to the round of 4 in season 2 is good? thats just average?
You say this, but im sure if i looked at your post there would be something like "oh this foreigner is so good" , you cant call boxer bad and on the other hand start praising foreigners hes better than.(i dont know that you did this, but i can assume you have praised foreigners before)
Im not saying hes way better than all foreigners but he has proven in the NASL that he can tango with and take out the best of the foreigners the only person he lost against was squirtle a korean
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Well pretty pointless article IMO, i mean who would turn his back on Boxer ? I'm sure he will be back into code A and code S eventually, this is Boxer after all. He may not be able to practice as much as he would like to, due to Slayers team management etc.But I think the promising fact that he recently played in GSTL and possibility to win NASL as people said says a lot about his plans with SC2, he aint gonna quit, thats for sure.Boxer Forever !
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On July 01 2011 14:42 setmeal wrote:
I don't see any downfall of boxer at all. Boxer was never good in SC2 at all. He was at best average only. His skill level has remained rather stagnant while others have overtaken him. This happens all the time. Why so much fuss over this? Are you actually an asshole or are you just trolling? Surely a troll as, well...did you read *any* of the replies to your last post in this thread?
Boxer may not be the top of Korean SC2 scene atm, but 'average'? GSL semi-finalist. TSL ro16. And he just 2 weeks ago went 8-1 series in NASL, facing down tonnes of top names in a proper best of 3 format, not the idiotic diceroll of the up/down / Code A...all while recovering from injury and while coaching and managing guys like MMA who came down to MLG and stomped on the best the foreign scene had to offer.
The fuss is people insulting a) a player who had a bad tournament, but who has shown he has high level skill. b) insulting an icon of gaming and starcraft, the most popular and respected figure in either.
That's the fuss, and whether the reaction the article got is warranted or not, you should at least read this thread to before posting your stupidity.
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On July 02 2011 02:15 DaemonX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 14:42 setmeal wrote:
I don't see any downfall of boxer at all. Boxer was never good in SC2 at all. He was at best average only. His skill level has remained rather stagnant while others have overtaken him. This happens all the time. Why so much fuss over this? Are you actually an asshole or are you just trolling? Surely a troll as, well...did you read *any* of the replies to your last post in this thread? Boxer may not be the top of Korean SC2 scene atm, but 'average'? GSL semi-finalist. TSL ro16. And he just 2 weeks ago went 8-1 series in NASL, facing down tonnes of top names in a proper best of 3 format, not the idiotic diceroll of the up/down / Code A...all while recovering from injury and while coaching and managing guys like MMA who came down to MLG and stomped on the best the foreign scene had to offer. The fuss is people insulting a) a player who had a bad tournament, but who has shown he has high level skill. b) insulting an icon of gaming and starcraft, the most popular and respected figure in either. That's the fuss, and whether the reaction the article got is warranted or not, you should at least read this thread to before posting your stupidity.
I think you're hitting it on the head right here. I do not follow GSL too much, but the format is .. too Korean I guess. From what I gather it leaves a lot of room for luck on who (player/race) you get matched up against and that can make it hard wihle cheering for your favorite.
As far as journalist sensationalism goes, I think it is a good thing. This type of writing is present for all spots. SC players just need time to get used to the drama and learn how to play their role in it.
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good to read
i think it is natural that so korean fans will show anger to Boxer, beause they are so fond of watching his game and feel disappointed when seeing that boxer has fall into Code B. anyway, it is not right to blame the player for he did his best.
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That article is unprofessional, period. It really does make me mad seeing the bashing of a PRO for losing. There's always a winner and a loser. Boxer is good, he's a pro, and he happened to lose. That is not a reason to have a full article basically trash talking him.
No matter what: Boxer is a hard working pro, a winner, a champion, and a legend. He is the man.
Jessica is a caring and loving woman, and an awesome wife.
F that hater who published the unmannered article.
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If he has a shoulder problem, then his APM will drop significantly. I recently had a shoulder stabilisation and in all honesty I could barely play anything for a few months.
Carrying a shoulder injury is bad news.
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On July 01 2011 14:42 setmeal wrote:
I don't see any downfall of boxer at all. Boxer was never good in SC2 at all. He was at best average only. His skill level has remained rather stagnant while others have overtaken him. This happens all the time. Why so much fuss over this?
Average korean player. Better than most if not all foreigners though.
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Tbh, this will probably get me a lot of hate; but i'm kind of glad that BoxeR got out of GSL.
Before everyone start launching their units at me and ignoring the white flag i'm wielding read what i'm about to put down.
First of all there is his shoulder injury; its one of those things that have to be taken care of, and constant playing ain't a way to do it; now with him having been kicked out of GSL Code A, he has been able to rest a bit more and hopefully have his shoulder in a better condition.
Second; its a whole month that he can just focus on improving/testing things out/refining his whole game play.
Third; with the clearance of GSL in his shedule he's able to plan his time better with all the stuff he wants to do
Probably are a lot more things i could put down but i would say this is kind of all the important things.
I'm was sad as well when i saw him go down; and really got pissed off when i saw this post. Only reason i can say why i'm posting this so late is because i finally have time for it.
Kind of all i had to say
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On July 19 2011 02:10 Drakey wrote:
First of all there is his shoulder injury; its one of those things that have to be taken care of, and constant playing ain't a way to do it; now with him having been kicked out of GSL Code A, he has been able to rest a bit more and hopefully have his shoulder in a better condition.
Kind of all i had to say
I agree that he needs a rest (not only phisically but mentally), but I'm not sure that being kicked out of GSL is going to do that; it probably will make him want to work that much harder. Boxer is the kind of guy that thinks:
1. I'm winning! I cannot be sloppy or I will fall down, I'll practice harder.
2. I'm losing! I need to practice harder.
At least, that's the feel I have of him.
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I'm not sure why Jessica would even bother responding to the article. It's best to say nothing, have boxer recover, and display the writer was incorrect later on than responding to it at all.
Regarding esports not being taken seriously because of articles like this compared to other sports. Garbage articles come out every day regarding other sports, but don't really receive a response besides enraged readers.
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Srsly this "reporters" make me rage so hard....its BOXER ffs....show some respect.
and i think he will be back soon. nothing to worry about.
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Yeah, the article is retarded. BoxeR never claimed to be the best at SC2. He's passionate about the game and he tries to improve his own play and help his team as much as possible. What's wrong with that? Just because he's not doing as well as he did last year surely isn't anything to write home about.
Just a slow news day.
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He went from being a coach in bw to owning a team in starcraft 2 sponsored by millions of esports wons and enough free time to compete at a semi professional level. I call that success.
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top 3 mlg and qualified for code A in the first run, sup?
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SlayerS_BoxeR showed a new way to play TvZ in MLG Anaheim.
BoxeR fighting~
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Don't give in to the haters; as they say, haters always gonna hate. You had a great showing at MLG and one bad day doesn't mean it's all over. Your fans still love you, your fans still believe in you! BoxeR Fighting! Long Live the Emperor!
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