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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
June 24 2011 18:46 GMT
#361
No kidding, it's in the terms of service, nn to drop your jaw to the floor.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
algorithm0r
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada486 Posts
June 24 2011 18:46 GMT
#362
This is quite ridiculous. Blizzard effectively FORCES people to account share because of no cross-region accounts, one account per copy, etc...

Account sharing is effectively harmless and should not be a ban worthy offence. If a single mother has two young sons and one computer she is expected to buy them BOTH a copy of SC2 so they can comply to overly draconian ToS? As it is right now with 2 accounts those two young sons already have to share one laddering account and probably suffer from it. Account sharing in this sense has been going on since the dawn of multiplayer games and was no problem for WC3, SC:BW and the likes. Blizzard already had it so only one account linked to a single copy of the game could be online at a time, thus allowing a couple people in the same household to share a copy without having the luxury of playing at the same time.

It is somewhat sickening that Blizzard would try to enforce this on a couple of pros that do so much to boost Blizzard sales through their popularization of the game in the eSports scene. Further, given that TLO is effectively handicapped and cannot play his account right now he has full rights to dispose of his account however he likes, regardless of the ridiculous state of ToS/EULA law at the moment. Doesn't Blizzard know that this kind of enforcement only emboldens the hacker community to get around their copy blocking and finally get a fully functional pirate server up and running?
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
June 24 2011 18:47 GMT
#363
I agree that Huk and TLO are breaking the account sharing rule.

However, stupid rules are sometimes meant to be broken.

> Any chance it may be a prank call?

I can see why Blizzard wants to stop this: because if people under the public eyes are "promoting" account sharing, a lot more others may follow.

However, we cannot blame TLO and HuK, there are fundamental issues which lies beneath the problem:
Region lock - else Huk wouldnt need to buy the game 3 times: once for NA, once for Kr, now again for Eu? Also even if HuK purchased yet another account, he will have to work his way up the ladder again before he can face worthy opponents. Lets say if he DCs/loses to a proxy gate and get placed in plat, who knows how long it will take HuK to start playing GMs?
Lack of Lan.

These topics have been discussed to death.

There are many other cases of "account sharing" which blizzard allow slip under their watchful eyes: notice how often tournament casters share the same account? (NASL/Gom) Even without ladder games played it is still account sharing, no?
Quetz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom28 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:48:19
June 24 2011 18:47 GMT
#364
The reason this is a bit of a dumb move by Blizz's 'Community Manager' (wonder how long that will last) is that Huk and TLO have probably generated a good amount of SC2 sales themselves with their streams/tournament results etc. Pretty sure they both have multiple accounts already, which Blizz will I'm sure be aware of.

So they don't want account sharing shown on stream, if this is really the way they want to go then they need to be consistent with their policing. Sharing has gone on between players at tournaments for quite a while (e.g. Sen plays on Softballs a/c as one example) on stream and at major events (MLG etc). Its a clear own goal by their German Community/Esports Manager over something really trivial in the grand scheme of things.
MichaelJLowell
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:50:10
June 24 2011 18:48 GMT
#365
On June 25 2011 03:45 decemberTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:41 MichaelJLowell wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:39 ThaTiger wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:12 Gnax wrote:
Poll: Who is stupid?

Blizzard (173)
 
75%

People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game (58)
 
25%

231 total votes

Your vote: Who is stupid?

(Vote): Blizzard
(Vote): People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game



I'm trying to make sense of what the majority of people think here.


I really like this poll, Gnax really seems to know his stuff!! not........

"people who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game"
nope, you agreed on it when you instealled the game AFTER you bought it, that's a big different

Over here in the States, shrink-wrap agreements have been declared constitutional. See ProCD v. Zeidenberg (1996) for more information on that.


Yes, Luckily over here in continental europe we live in the free world and we don't have a suppresive government. (See Net Neutrality in The Netherlands).

Oh, believe me, I agree with you. I'm not arguing "The laws of the United States are the only ones that count." And morally, I'm opposed to the legality of the situation. Sadly, the law is pretty open-and-shut here in the States until Alito or Roberts or Thomas goes belly up and the 5-4 corporate split in our Supreme Court goes bye-bye. And even then, it's no guarantee.

On June 25 2011 03:45 ThaTiger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:41 MichaelJLowell wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:39 ThaTiger wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:12 Gnax wrote:
Poll: Who is stupid?

Blizzard (173)
 
75%

People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game (58)
 
25%

231 total votes

Your vote: Who is stupid?

(Vote): Blizzard
(Vote): People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game



I'm trying to make sense of what the majority of people think here.


I really like this poll, Gnax really seems to know his stuff!! not........

"people who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game"
nope, you agreed on it when you instealled the game AFTER you bought it, that's a big different

Over here in the States, shrink-wrap agreements have been declared constitutional. See ProCD v. Zeidenberg (1996) for more information on that.


Then it's good that Huk did this in Europe, on an Europe account ^_^

Oh, well, yeah. I'm not very familiar how the European Union deals with these things, but I know EULAs are considered a joke and a laughingstock. You guys have that much right.
http://www.learntocounter.com - I'm a "known troll" so please disconnect your kid's computer when I am on the forums.
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:55:02
June 24 2011 18:49 GMT
#366
HuK's rating is too high that he has to break the agreements just to play the game? Fuck that's badass.

Edit: It was just a warning guys, get over it. Its not like they actually got banned. Blizz just wants to keep throwing their weight around.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
June 24 2011 18:49 GMT
#367
It doesn't matter if EULA is legally binding or not, you're just going against your word. It's one of those things like breaking the speed limit, where it may or may not be taken seriously.

The ironic thing is that TLO is the potential loser here. If his MMR gets too high because of HuK, he won't be able to find games either. I suppose it decays over time and other people can catch up, so as he's on hiatus it probably won't matter.

I don't have anything against HuK, him not being able to practice due to MMR is just silly. And it's definitely weird they would warn him, but I can understand them wanting to keep the integrity of ladder as it's used as basis for invites to some tournaments. Just because HuK and TLO are honest doesn't mean other people won't do the same thing dishonestly.
steamrice
Profile Joined August 2010
435 Posts
June 24 2011 18:50 GMT
#368
This happened because Blizzard's tournament is starting up soon.
splinter9
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:54:55
June 24 2011 18:51 GMT
#369
On June 25 2011 03:41 kawaiiryuko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:14 splinter9 wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:12 Gnax wrote:
Poll: Who is stupid?

Blizzard (173)
 
75%

People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game (58)
 
25%

231 total votes

Your vote: Who is stupid?

(Vote): Blizzard
(Vote): People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game



I'm trying to make sense of what the majority of people think here.

seriously fuck off with reading the agreement no one does that. Secondly it not even valid in a lot of the world.


That's not an excuse to break the ToS.

In general, ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break the law.

ToS isn't law like you are saying. Ignorance of such agreements has been a good argument in court in the past. It depends on the specifics of the case.


There has been federal case law (see the Lori Drew case) that state that a violation of a ToS amounts to unauthorized use of a service, which is a violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (which criminalizes any unauthorized use or access of a computer service - or basically anything with a microchip).

EDIT TO ADD: I'm not saying that Blizzard is right - I'm just sayin', legally speaking, ToS /may/ have the force of law if the DoJ wants it to.


im not sure if your fully aware but there are countries outside of the USA that even write there own laws . They also have computers and can play starcraft. On further thought neither of these players are even american, so im not sure how much of what you said applies here.
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
June 24 2011 18:51 GMT
#370
Gonna be kewl when u need to buy all expansions for each acc/region zZZzzz
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
June 24 2011 18:51 GMT
#371
I guess it's against the ToS...but it's still a pretty big PR blunder imo :|
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
June 24 2011 18:51 GMT
#372
This is stupid that they would bring it up now. People have been letting others use their accounts for months. I use mine to let friends who have never played try the game out or what not. I just don't et them play my 1v1. Little bit of disappoint towards blizzard on this one for me =/
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
June 24 2011 18:52 GMT
#373
On June 25 2011 03:49 Razith wrote:
HuK's rating is too high that he has to break the agreements just to play the game? Fuck that's badass.


This! Lol but seriously this is just bad on Blizzards part that he had no other option, other than buying ANOTHER acct.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
June 24 2011 18:52 GMT
#374
On June 25 2011 03:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:33 vrok wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:14 splinter9 wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:12 Gnax wrote:
Poll: Who is stupid?

Blizzard (173)
 
75%

People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game (58)
 
25%

231 total votes

Your vote: Who is stupid?

(Vote): Blizzard
(Vote): People who complain about something they all agreed to when they bought the game



I'm trying to make sense of what the majority of people think here.

seriously fuck off with reading the agreement no one does that. Secondly it not even valid in a lot of the world.


That's not an excuse to break the ToS.

In general, ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break the law.

ToS isn't law like you are saying. Ignorance of such agreements has been a good argument in court in the past. It depends on the specifics of the case.


Interesting. Then why have ToS at all?

Because naive people like you believe in them regardless.


I'm pretty sure naivety =/= acceptance of legal contracts. I'm pretty sure it's more of an acknowledgement of agreement. But sure, if we're just arguing semantics now...

Or you won't ever get a job if you think those things are for sissies who can't *stick it to the man*.

Either way, I'm done. Enjoy your day, guys


Labeling the other side as a bunch of lazy hippies because they have posted facts that don't agree with your view of the world doesn't really help your case. In fact it makes you look like something of a hack.

Just for the record: While its great that you want to defend your favorite company and everything they can defend themselves just fine. I really doubt any corporation as large as blizzard is going to be damaged by angry posts on a forum with overwhelmingly negative opinions of them already. Particularly on a forum where people make these angry posts and proceed to play their favorite blizzard game ten minutes after posting how angry they are at blizzard.

I hope that you can learn to tone it down and lessen the hyperbole in your posts.
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 24 2011 18:52 GMT
#375
Well I am very glad Blizzard has their priorities straight.... WOW. This is seriously ridiculous.

It's like they were jealous of all the pros having fun and just wanted to ruin some of the fun. It isn't necessary but they still felt the need to take the time out of their day to warn them. Lmfao, what a joke.
Greggor
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden119 Posts
June 24 2011 18:52 GMT
#376
Could just be a troll who knows takes number x)
what ?
splinter9
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada172 Posts
June 24 2011 18:53 GMT
#377
what ive concluded from this thread is Huk broke the ladder
pig-dude
Profile Joined March 2011
United States170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:54:27
June 24 2011 18:53 GMT
#378
On June 25 2011 03:40 MichaelJLowell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:37 pig-dude wrote:
This about does it for me. Everything is tied to your account, so by locking down an account Blizzard is effectively stealing from its customers. If there is only one ladder option, nothing short of hacking should result in account action. I'm going to use my SC2 account for smurfing, griefing, monobattles, and the occasional random 4v4. I'll play BW when I want a serious, well-designed game, at least until Blizzard gets its act together.

Oh, people should have seen this coming. You don't begin tethering purchases into a single account unless you plan on doing that. The only reason you haven't heard more about it is that Valve only bans people on Steam for obvious violations, and when they make mistakes, they kiss and make up and offer free games and apologize and beg until everybody is over it.

You're right, I was just being optimistic when I bought the game, because of how much I enjoyed BW. It's not like we all haven't wasted money on video games in our lives, it just bums me out that the successor to such a great game would turn out to be this disappointing. I really expected Blizzard to give their all to make the ladder a great experience, given the inherent responsibility in not allowing other options. I thought that bnet would be packed with cool features, great maps, and just generally be an excellent gaming environment. It's a damn shame that they're treating this as a smash-and-grab, because this is probably the last Blizzard product I will purchase. Unless there are drastic changes, I see no reason to buy the expansions or SC3 some day, let alone D3 or WC4.
Drteeth
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Great Britain415 Posts
June 24 2011 18:53 GMT
#379
Major PR blunder.
Nice cheese ....GG!
Mahavishnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada396 Posts
June 24 2011 18:56 GMT
#380
Maybe we just have to give them all of our money or something.
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