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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
slasher needs to spread more hate thou! | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
Yeah haha, I just always think of Bisu when you see Bischu's name. His brother named his account Stork too didn't he? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On June 23 2011 08:10 alexhard wrote: If players think it's acceptable to throw games to gain a better position in a tournament...it's not a big stretch to think that it's acceptable to throw games for money. Obviously I'm not saying Idra did that, but I think that even the appearance of the possibility of such impropriety should be heavily discouraged. No, it's actually a huge stretch On June 23 2011 08:15 haffy wrote: I'm not saying NASL are bad or complaining how it's run. I'm just trying to say you can't expect a player or team to not fix a result in a way to benefit them if they know before hand. Sorry, I must have minsinterpreted then. You're definitely right, you cant get mad at a player for trying to boost his odds to win a tourney as long as he stays within the rules. | ||
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everyday847
United States14 Posts
Basically, if we as a community accept the institution of single-elim tournaments, then we have to trust that the fact that HuK was, on that day, in five of seven games, the better PvZ than Moon's ZvP is enough to conclude that HuK probably was, on that day, the better PvT than Bomber's TvP. Either stop using single elimination formats (a tall order, indeed) or take their results with a grain of salt, but no more. After all, even when a player does--by some miracle of terrible bracketing--hit every other good player in the field who could reasonably be contending for the title, it's still just a single tournament result. Any number of map or spawn position relative weaknesses, an unscouted proxy, and so on and so forth--any number of random factors can bring any tournament result into a little bit of doubt. Remember when GSL March Code S saw MVP down in the round of 32? MC never had to play him (even though they were in the same prelim group!). Nor did anyone have to play NesTea! Or MKP! But none of this makes us shit ourselves over the validity of MC's win: we're content to say that MC's win means precisely what the typical GSL win means. You never have to beat one hundred percent of the other participants in the bracket; sometimes there are upsets, and that's just what a tournament win means. If HuK never wins another top-class tournament, that will make his career's reputation--not the precise upset outcomes involved in this one. | ||
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leecH
Germany385 Posts
awesome show today ;D i liked how Marcou dodged most questions. so riot is still about making skins and stuff.. nothing more than "we look into that" which basicly means "we dont give a shit at the moment". On June 23 2011 09:40 mastergriggy wrote: Great show so far, and I completely agree with sirscoots. Riot is heading into an E-sports game while missing many features. yes they dont actually have ANY features that support esports. i was grinding that game with some buddies and really getting into it. then start hitting the ladder. every second game was on a US server having a 130+ ping with a real good connection on my side (cause they give a shit about EU, no joke). like you cant move because the server is too laggy, or random amount of people lagging out right when the game starts while the rest hits lvl 4-6. i mean yes, you really need observer mode and replays to build a competitive community but besides that if you even cant really play the game properly as it is now... for people never played LoL imagine you go play a 4vs4 and 2 people in your team just lag out and join back 3 minutes later. then suddendly while you attack the game lags for 10 seconds and you loose the game and get demoted. the next day you read the spent 100.000 on a tournament. waste of time... | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
If Huk wins Dreamhack or Polt wins the Super Tournament that doesn't make them the best foreigners or the best Protoss/Terran/Korean etc.. they're both just good players who played well/had that bit of luck or a favourable draw that's needed to win a major tournament. On a different day Huk doesn't scout the six pool first and Moon wins it. You really can't read that much into invidual games or even tournament wins. The true top players are the guys like MC and Nestea who consistantly perform well in most of their tournaments and are always reaching the business end of tournaments, consistantly beating other top players. This is something Huk and Polt haven't done and will need to do before we take them seriously as top players. All sorts of players won or made the finals or Star Leagues but all sorts didn't do it on a regular basis and also perform well in the team leagues. That's why for me MC is easilly the greatest Sc2 player to date. He's won two GSL's, made the semis of another, won three major foreign Lan's, made 3rd at MLG and will likely win or do very well in NASL's lan as well, he's also consistantly carried oGs in the team league. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On June 23 2011 10:40 lunchforthesky wrote: Sir Scoots touched on this tonight...Basically people need to stop treating Sc2 like football, if Barcelona win the Champions League they're the best side in the world, this doesn't translate at all to Sc2. Sc2 is a lot more like Tennis where lots of players are capable of winning tournaments, even Grand Slams but across the course of a year it becomes pretty clear who the best of the best are. If Huk wins Dreamhack or Polt wins the Super Tournament that doesn't make them the best foreigners or the best Protoss/Terran/Korean etc.. they're both just good players who played well/had that bit of luck or a favourable draw that's needed to win a major tournament. On a different day Huk doesn't scout the six pool first and Moon wins it. You really can't read that much into invidual games or even tournament wins. The true top players are the guys like MC and Nestea who consistantly perform well in most of their tournaments and are always reaching the business end of tournaments, consistantly beating other top players. This is something Huk and Polt haven't done and will need to do before we take them seriously as top players. All sorts of players won or made the finals or Star Leagues but all sorts didn't do it on a regular basis and also perform well in the team leagues. That's why for me MC is easilly the greatest Sc2 player to date. He's won two GSL's, made the semis of another, won three major foreign Lan's, made 3rd at MLG and will likely win or do very well in NASL's lan as well, he's also consistantly carried oGs in the team league. Agreed, if federer or Nadal only play 1 ranked opponent and get to the finals against another unranked opponent people dont go apeshit just because they won a major tourney like they would if those 2 met in the finals after playing every top player in the field. The game is so volatile lots of players can win, but you need to be consistent or it's just an aberration. | ||
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everyday847
United States14 Posts
If, like American football, we only had one single-elimination tournament a year, we'd be screwed--we'd have no good way to judge how much a championship meant. (Also, the seeding for the American football playoffs consists of sixteen matches; each team plays thirteen of the thirty-one other teams--we'd never have that good a condition in SC2. SO we'd have a really hard time of it in SC2.) But instead we have bunches of tournaments. Each tournament finish is a data point itself, and how lucky we are that that's true, and that's how we have to look at it. Especially with such a rapidly changing metagame--and that really merits a post by itself, "interpreting tournament results in light of the changing metagame"--we have to look more long-term. | ||
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doomed
Australia420 Posts
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Xkalibert
United States1404 Posts
edit: to doomed it's already up http://www.justin.tv/onemoregametv/b/288634426 | ||
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Blasteroids
United States36 Posts
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
On June 23 2011 10:01 Zlasher wrote: Lol that nobody is making Slasher his fanclub. First time someone goes out and vehemently asks for a creation of his own fan club haha he'll get a fanclub when he shaves his head | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
 Yesterday, Slasher starts talking about GSL, and boom, you cut it and then you all skip GSL. It's a pattern, I'm becoming to be a conspiracies theorist. Each time someone wants to talk about the GSL in any onemoregame show, or each time you have a GSL segment, Wheat always change subject so you never talk about the GSL. Last time was in WOP when you talked about a rating website during the "GSL" segment. I'm starting to think you try to not publicize the GSL (told you, I'm becoming to be a conspiracies theorist) Anyway, if I often complain is because I always watch the shows, I still like them. But as a big GSL fan, I'm starting to wonder WTF is happening. As soon as Slasher pronounced "GSL" you cut him to show what you received in your mail ? | ||
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doomed
Australia420 Posts
On June 23 2011 15:28 Xkalibert wrote: so did it reach 25k viewer and did slasher have to shave his head? and if not how many viewer were there? edit: to doomed it's already up http://www.justin.tv/onemoregametv/b/288634426 Sweet! thanks a lot! | ||
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Mord
Norway171 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:46 alexhard wrote: If players think it's acceptable to throw games to gain a better position in a tournament...it's not a big stretch to think that it's acceptable to throw games for money. Yes, it is a massive stretch. | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On June 23 2011 17:47 MrCon wrote: I'm sorry I'll post again to complain Yesterday, Slasher starts talking about GSL, and boom, you cut it and then you all skip GSL. It's a pattern, I'm becoming to be a conspiracies theorist. Each time someone wants to talk about the GSL in any onemoregame show, or each time you have a GSL segment, Wheat always change subject so you never talk about the GSL. Last time was in WOP when you talked about a rating website during the "GSL" segment. I'm starting to think you try to not publicize the GSL (told you, I'm becoming to be a conspiracies theorist) Anyway, if I often complain is because I always watch the shows, I still like them. But as a big GSL fan, I'm starting to wonder WTF is happening. As soon as Slasher pronounced "GSL" you cut him to show what you received in your mail ? Maybe they feel like the north American scene needs more attention to the already widely covered Korean scene? Either way, I doubt it's with malicious intent. | ||
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SafeWord
United States522 Posts
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