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On July 21 2011 02:28 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 02:01 Mattchew wrote:On July 21 2011 01:47 ZasZ. wrote:On July 21 2011 01:45 Mattchew wrote:On July 21 2011 01:10 Cocomiel wrote:On July 21 2011 00:40 ZasZ. wrote:On July 21 2011 00:34 Cocomiel wrote:
any tips on any OGS or Prime member worth getting for cheap (under 14 pts)? oGs is a crapshoot because of how deep their roster is. MC is really the only dependable pick for this week and you definitely can't get him for cheap. I see MC stomping Hannibal and then Polt or MKP sent out to snipe him. If you can find a player under 14 pts that you think might go out after that person (I think Polt will snipe MC and MKP will be reserved as ace, but it could be the other way around), they might be able to all-kill oGs from there but it's iffy. oGs vs Prime was the one matchup that I avoided this week in fantasy. If you already have MC Polt or MKP, that's fine, but any of the lesser players probably won't get you anything. There are plenty of cheaper players on NsHoseo (Tassadar) or IM (Horror, Happy, Younghwa) that have a greater chance of getting kills. I usually like to have at least 1 player on each match to make things a bit more interesting but you might be right on just skipping this one since I cant afford MC. MC could easily all kill... hes still the best protoss in the world That's true but I'm not sure how it's relevant to his post. He was looking for a sub-14 point player in the oGs/Prime matchup to trade for, but IMO MC is the only player in that match that has a good chance of netting a bunch of points. He can't afford MC, so it would probably be a better idea for him to pick up the cheaper players in the other matchups. I could trade Bomber for MC, but I won't. While MC could all-kill Prime, I think either Polt or MKP will be able to take him down. Its relevant because its possible that none of the players under 14 points will score points. edit: you traded away DRG?! if I were you I would give bomber for MC in a heartbeat I had no choice but to dump DRG. I'm Rank 200-something and every single person above me has DRG. If I keep riding DRG everybody above me will get the same points and I'll stay 200-something. If I dump him and pick up somebody like MC or Bomber and they take off, and DRG slows down (all it would take is for the rest of MVP to pick up some slack) then I can catapult to the top of the rankings. It's a big risk, but if I don't take it I remain in the mediocre middle of the pack. This way, I might drop down to the bottom, but it's the only way I'll get to the top. #300 is just as good as #18000
Wanna take a risk? Take hannibal or some other starter then hope for them to do extremely well... dont trade your only horse in the race when you have 8 others to trade around... thats the difference between everyone in the top 2 - 6 hundred is their team AROUND DRG
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On July 21 2011 02:45 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 02:28 ZasZ. wrote:On July 21 2011 02:01 Mattchew wrote:On July 21 2011 01:47 ZasZ. wrote:On July 21 2011 01:45 Mattchew wrote:On July 21 2011 01:10 Cocomiel wrote:On July 21 2011 00:40 ZasZ. wrote:On July 21 2011 00:34 Cocomiel wrote:
any tips on any OGS or Prime member worth getting for cheap (under 14 pts)? oGs is a crapshoot because of how deep their roster is. MC is really the only dependable pick for this week and you definitely can't get him for cheap. I see MC stomping Hannibal and then Polt or MKP sent out to snipe him. If you can find a player under 14 pts that you think might go out after that person (I think Polt will snipe MC and MKP will be reserved as ace, but it could be the other way around), they might be able to all-kill oGs from there but it's iffy. oGs vs Prime was the one matchup that I avoided this week in fantasy. If you already have MC Polt or MKP, that's fine, but any of the lesser players probably won't get you anything. There are plenty of cheaper players on NsHoseo (Tassadar) or IM (Horror, Happy, Younghwa) that have a greater chance of getting kills. I usually like to have at least 1 player on each match to make things a bit more interesting but you might be right on just skipping this one since I cant afford MC. MC could easily all kill... hes still the best protoss in the world That's true but I'm not sure how it's relevant to his post. He was looking for a sub-14 point player in the oGs/Prime matchup to trade for, but IMO MC is the only player in that match that has a good chance of netting a bunch of points. He can't afford MC, so it would probably be a better idea for him to pick up the cheaper players in the other matchups. I could trade Bomber for MC, but I won't. While MC could all-kill Prime, I think either Polt or MKP will be able to take him down. Its relevant because its possible that none of the players under 14 points will score points. edit: you traded away DRG?! if I were you I would give bomber for MC in a heartbeat I had no choice but to dump DRG. I'm Rank 200-something and every single person above me has DRG. If I keep riding DRG everybody above me will get the same points and I'll stay 200-something. If I dump him and pick up somebody like MC or Bomber and they take off, and DRG slows down (all it would take is for the rest of MVP to pick up some slack) then I can catapult to the top of the rankings. It's a big risk, but if I don't take it I remain in the mediocre middle of the pack. This way, I might drop down to the bottom, but it's the only way I'll get to the top. #300 is just as good as #18000 Wanna take a risk? Take hannibal or some other starter then hope for them to do extremely well... dont trade your only horse in the race when you have 8 others to trade around... thats the difference between everyone in the top 2 - 6 hundred is their team AROUND DRG
It's called a calculated risk. There is a small chance that MVP pulls together and doesn't need DRG for the rest of the GSTL. If that happens, everyone above me loses their only horse in the race, while I and a lot of people below me who picked MC or Bomber over DRG at the start, shoot upwards.
In the same scenario, if I keep DRG, my middle of the road players (Ace, Alicia, LosirA, etc.) will get me a few points, but not enough to catapult 300 spots. Meanwhile I have a ton of trade value tied up in DRG and he gets me nothing.
There is a good chance that DRG continues to dominate and I fall further and further behind as MVP plays the rest of their games. But what have I lost? I go from #300 to #5000. Woohoo. Unfortunately I wasn't one of the guys who picked up Sage, Jjakji, or Hack before they went nuts. If I'm lucky, I'll be one of the guys who dropped DRG and picked up Bomber or MC before they went nuts and DRG fell off.
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It's tempting to trade DRG for MC, but I won't. Don't think it's worth the risk. DRG is too good of a player and MVP too mediocre of a team.
Come on, Horror... don't fail me. And if you do lose, let's hope Happy gets sent out to clean FXO up. I have faith.
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I've backed off from trading DRG for MC as DRG will be guaranteed to play in every MVP match as his teammates suck whereas after this week MC might only make another 1 or 2 appearances as OGS is quite strong. If however u got Killer or Bomber then trading for MC would be a great move.
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On July 21 2011 04:00 nicknt wrote:
I've backed off from trading DRG for MC as DRG will be guaranteed to play in every MVP match as his teammates suck whereas after this week MC might only make another 1 or 2 appearances as OGS is quite strong. If however u got Killer or Bomber then trading for MC would be a great move.
MVP's next opponent is F. United, which may be very one-sided. Maybe not as much as the FXO games but DRG might not be needed. All it takes is one week where he doesn't get any points and his value will drop to ~26. This makes him much more accessible to trades.
All I'm saying buy low and sell high, MC/Bomber might go off and then you have your pick of any player you want, including DRG.
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Starting to wonder if getting Tassadar really is that smart. ST's got plenty of players who could beat him, so I don't think it's very likely he'll get more than 1-2 kills at best. Opinions?
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On July 21 2011 04:40 Fanta_Rules wrote:
Starting to wonder if getting Tassadar really is that smart. ST's got plenty of players who could beat him, so I don't think it's very likely he'll get more than 1-2 kills at best. Opinions?
Depends, who do you have to drop to pick him up? 2-5 points can be great for such a cheap player.
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On July 21 2011 04:45 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 04:40 Fanta_Rules wrote:
Starting to wonder if getting Tassadar really is that smart. ST's got plenty of players who could beat him, so I don't think it's very likely he'll get more than 1-2 kills at best. Opinions? Depends, who do you have to drop to pick him up? 2-5 points can be great for such a cheap player.
Alicia, since I'm also trading Byun for Horror. :/
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Bleh, the problem with trading down by so much is that if Horror/Tassadar fail to go nuts, you can't really get rid of them for anyone good. I'm trading TheStC for Tassadar because I don't think he'll play but Byun/Alicia are staples on their respective teams.
It's a tough call. Do you really need to be taking risks at your position?
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On July 21 2011 05:15 ZasZ. wrote:
Bleh, the problem with trading down by so much is that if Horror/Tassadar fail to go nuts, you can't really get rid of them for anyone good. I'm trading TheStC for Tassadar because I don't think he'll play but Byun/Alicia are staples on their respective teams.
It's a tough call. Do you really need to be taking risks at your position?
I know, it's a very big risk to take. But I do feel I have to take risks in my position. Every week I'm getting the same points that the top 10 is getting, without gaining anything on them.
Maybe DongRaeGu for MC would be better than Alicia for Tassadar? In that case I still have to trade Byun for Horror, since DRG is the only zerg on my team. The nightmare scenario then would be if MC loses after 1-2 games, and Horror gets owned by some FXO player too early. Then I'm stuck with Horror as the only zerg on my team. 
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MVP vs F.United with Nani/Tzain/Fenix on a week or less of Korean practice, Lyn playing War3, and Moon being Moon, Soccer as the unknown.... I dunno if you're gonna see DRG play o_O
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lmao just realised i have qxc, horror and tassadar on my team, and my team is IM - my points are gonna change this week.
I also have ace so if tassadar does take out Max im hoping they'll throw in ace to take him down seeing as how his PvP is pretty good (took out mc during nasl?)
and im too stuck with sheth but im not too bothered, just one more player that wont lose me points
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On July 21 2011 05:20 Fanta_Rules wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 05:15 ZasZ. wrote:
Bleh, the problem with trading down by so much is that if Horror/Tassadar fail to go nuts, you can't really get rid of them for anyone good. I'm trading TheStC for Tassadar because I don't think he'll play but Byun/Alicia are staples on their respective teams.
It's a tough call. Do you really need to be taking risks at your position? I know, it's a very big risk to take. But I do feel I have to take risks in my position. Every week I'm getting the same points that the top 10 is getting, without gaining anything on them. Maybe DongRaeGu for MC would be better than Alicia for Tassadar? In that case I still have to trade Byun for Horror, since DRG is the only zerg on my team. The nightmare scenario then would be if MC loses after 1-2 games, and Horror gets owned by some FXO player too early. Then I'm stuck with Horror as the only zerg on my team.
Well Waxangel made a good point that F. United won't be in prime condition for their match against MVP and DRG might not even be needed. If he doesn't play, and thus scores no points (or 1 point for MVP winning) then his value will drop significantly. At that point you may be able to get him back if you really want, but like you said it depends on how MC performs.
If you feel like you can get the points you need with the middle of your roster, then hold on to him. Trading DRG away is high-risk/high-reward, but only if who you get explodes and DRG isn't needed for their remaining games.
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mrbamboo
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I dont think Moon and Lyn are quitting sc2, they just aren't allowed to play in 2 different games in WCG, and they decided to go with WC3 for that tournament. That doesn't mean they are quitting sc2, this is just for one tournament.
What this does mean is that they won't be practicing as much SC2 for this period of time coming up, and they were already not the highest level players so my guess is they won't be playing as many GSTL matches, or if they do they aren't likely to do well.
What this means is Naniwa and Thorzain becomes more valuable because F.United will pretty much be completely relying on them, and Fenix and Soccer will see more play since Moon and Lyn won't be playing as much. Now, seeing play is not the same as winning games. So you have two choices to gamble here:
1. Naniwa and Thorzain do well, they got 5 rounds and are pretty much gonna play every single round, getting them will be a great investment
2. Naniwa and Thorzain cannot compete on the korean level, it becomes the FXO situation all over again and becomes a game of which player is gonna all kill F.United each week for mega points.
I know I'm ignoring Fenix and SocceR for the most part here but that's because I dont think Fenix can compete at the korean level, and soccer didn't impress me at all at his one shot in Code A. They may take total of 2-3 games combined over the entire season, pretty much like Oz/qxc/sheth, but they aren't gonna make a real difference in helping F.United.
I think the biggest factor for how the fantasy ranking will go for the rest of the gstl is gonna depend on who chooses option 1 and 2 here. I'm gonna get Naniwa with Jjakji this week while he is 20+ value, so I'm going with option 1. The way I see it if option 1 is gonna happen you gotta jump on the boat asap since their trade value is gonna be high due to more games left so hard to trade for later. If option 2 happens, I can just still as easily trade for someone F.United is playing against from week to week without too much trouble.
also DRG is my captain so I can't get MC with him. If he wasn't my captain I probably would have gotten Bomber last week with DRG. It's a really tough call. On hindsight I probably should have picked YoungHwa as my captain instead. DRG ties up so much trade value potential. Definitely a mistake I won't be making next season.
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On July 21 2011 05:41 mrbamboo wrote:I dont think Moon and Lyn are quitting sc2, they just aren't allowed to play in 2 different games in WCG, and they decided to go with WC3 for that tournament. That doesn't mean they are quitting sc2, this is just for one tournament. What this does mean is that they won't be practicing as much SC2 for this period of time coming up, and they were already not the highest level players so my guess is they won't be playing as many GSTL matches, or if they do they aren't likely to do well. What this means is Naniwa and Thorzain becomes more valuable because F.United will pretty much be completely relying on them, and Fenix and Soccer will see more play since Moon and Lyn won't be playing as much. Now, seeing play is not the same as winning games. So you have two choices to gamble here: 1. Naniwa and Thorzain do well, they got 5 rounds and are pretty much gonna play every single round, getting them will be a great investment 2. Naniwa and Thorzain cannot compete on the korean level, it becomes the FXO situation all over again and becomes a game of which player is gonna all kill F.United each week for mega points. I know I'm ignoring Fenix and SocceR for the most part here but that's because I dont think Fenix can compete at the korean level, and soccer didn't impress me at all at his one shot in Code A. They may take total of 2-3 games combined over the entire season, pretty much like Oz/qxc/sheth, but they aren't gonna make a real difference in helping F.United. I think the biggest factor for how the fantasy ranking will go for the rest of the gstl is gonna depend on who chooses option 1 and 2 here. I'm gonna get Naniwa with Jjakji this week while he is 20+ value, so I'm going with option 1. The way I see it if option 1 is gonna happen you gotta jump on the boat asap since their trade value is gonna be high due to more games left so hard to trade for later. If option 2 happens, I can just still as easily trade for someone F.United is playing against from week to week without too much trouble. also DRG is my captain so I can't get MC with him. If he wasn't my captain I probably would have gotten Bomber last week with DRG. It's a really tough call. On hindsight I probably should have picked YoungHwa as my captain instead. DRG ties up so much trade value potential. Definitely a mistake I won't be making next season.
its hard to argue with you mrbamboo results back you with everything you say.. but i would not trade jjaki for naniwar (but i would trade jjaki) idk where or for who but i dont trust the nani/thorzain combo... i'll take option 2
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I feel that theres a big chance that IM Happy won't play, but who should I trade him for? I can save my MMA problem for next week lol 
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mrbamboo
United States415 Posts
On July 21 2011 07:55 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 05:41 mrbamboo wrote:I dont think Moon and Lyn are quitting sc2, they just aren't allowed to play in 2 different games in WCG, and they decided to go with WC3 for that tournament. That doesn't mean they are quitting sc2, this is just for one tournament. What this does mean is that they won't be practicing as much SC2 for this period of time coming up, and they were already not the highest level players so my guess is they won't be playing as many GSTL matches, or if they do they aren't likely to do well. What this means is Naniwa and Thorzain becomes more valuable because F.United will pretty much be completely relying on them, and Fenix and Soccer will see more play since Moon and Lyn won't be playing as much. Now, seeing play is not the same as winning games. So you have two choices to gamble here: 1. Naniwa and Thorzain do well, they got 5 rounds and are pretty much gonna play every single round, getting them will be a great investment 2. Naniwa and Thorzain cannot compete on the korean level, it becomes the FXO situation all over again and becomes a game of which player is gonna all kill F.United each week for mega points. I know I'm ignoring Fenix and SocceR for the most part here but that's because I dont think Fenix can compete at the korean level, and soccer didn't impress me at all at his one shot in Code A. They may take total of 2-3 games combined over the entire season, pretty much like Oz/qxc/sheth, but they aren't gonna make a real difference in helping F.United. I think the biggest factor for how the fantasy ranking will go for the rest of the gstl is gonna depend on who chooses option 1 and 2 here. I'm gonna get Naniwa with Jjakji this week while he is 20+ value, so I'm going with option 1. The way I see it if option 1 is gonna happen you gotta jump on the boat asap since their trade value is gonna be high due to more games left so hard to trade for later. If option 2 happens, I can just still as easily trade for someone F.United is playing against from week to week without too much trouble. also DRG is my captain so I can't get MC with him. If he wasn't my captain I probably would have gotten Bomber last week with DRG. It's a really tough call. On hindsight I probably should have picked YoungHwa as my captain instead. DRG ties up so much trade value potential. Definitely a mistake I won't be making next season. its hard to argue with you mrbamboo results back you with everything you say.. but i would not trade jjaki for naniwar (but i would trade jjaki) idk where or for who but i dont trust the nani/thorzain combo... i'll take option 2
You know I'm not entirely comfortable either. Actually Jjakji just beat Tassadar, Core, and JYP (Smart) in ICcup Korean monthly. He will definitely be used to snipe Ace and/or Squirtle. Maybe I should let go of Naniwa first week and hope he drops a bit in value on week 6 to pick up later and keep Jjakji. I've actually been quite impressed by Curious. He just beat Byun and PuMa in some really close and good series and giving Puzzle a run for his money right now. He has consistently been used by StarTale so far as well. I might change my trades before tomorrow night XD
edit: Yep curious just beat Puzzle too.
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Show nested quote +There are substantial structural changes necessary for this guide with all the new data I been collecting. Honest opinion: this was my least favorite of all of PrimeCoverage and has incurred the most subjective/incorrect elements, which displeases me significantly. But I am a bit booked at the moment, so here's some damage control: TradeValue = ( GamesLeft * Salary / 5 + 5/9 * Score ) * GamesLeft It's week 5. I followed your advice and built the ultimate anti-team, now get me out of this mess! Current TradeValues Currently available Anti-trades for the above four players ThorZaIN,  NaNiwa only: - IM's Yoda - 20.27, 10pt, remaining:
FXO (5), HoSeo (7), ST(10)
- oGs's NaDa - 21.69, 4pt remaining:
Prime (5), TSL (7), SlayerS (9), F.united (10)
- HoSeo's Jjakji - 21.93, 11pt, remaining:
ST (5), IM (7), ZeNEX (8)
- IM's LosirA - 22.73, 5pt, remaining:
FXO (5), HoSeo (7), ST(10)
- HoSeo's Sage - 23.73, 11pt, remaining:
ST (5), IM (7), ZeNEX (8)
 Moon, Lyn, ThorZaIN, NaNiwa: - Prime's MarineKing - 25.60, 0pt, remaining:
oGs (5), SlayerS (6), MVP (8), FU (9)
- Prime's Polt - 25.60, 0pt, remaining:
oGs (5), SlayerS (6), MVP (8), FU (9)
- oGs's MC - 28.80, 0pt, remaining:
Prime (5), TSL (7), SlayerS (9), F.united (10)
- TSL's Killer - 29.00, 12pt, remaining:
FU (6), oGs (7), MVP (10)
- ST's Bomber - 31.20, 9pt, remaining:
HoSeo (5), fOu (9), IM (10)
- MVP's DongRaeGu - 42.73, 17pt, remaining:
F.United (7), Prime (8), TSL (10).
Anti-team players by team (bracketed are only tradable for Naniwa or Thorzain): ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/5/52/SlayerSlogo_std.png) SlayerS -
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/8/83/IMlogo_std.png) Incredible Miracle - (LosirA) (Yoda)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/8/8e/Startalelogo_std.png) StarTale - Bomber
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/e/ee/TSLlogo_std.png) Team SCV Life - Killer
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/4/41/OGslogo_std.png) Old Generations - MC (NaDa)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/8/87/FOulogo_std.png) For Our Utopia -
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/0/05/ZeNEXlogo_std.png) ZeNEX -
MVP - DongRaeGu
Prime - Polt MarineKing
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/9/90/HoSeologo_std.png) New Star HoSeo - (Sage) (Jjakji)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/a/a2/FXOlogo_std.png) FXOpen -
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/a/a2/FUnitedlogo_std.png) F.United - Based on the above information. My antiteam trade for week 5 is Lyn for MarineKing, on the ground that by next week, there will be no good alternatives for Lyn and Polt has a better record against MC than MarineKing. A strong alternative is Jjakji/ Yoda for ThorZaIN/ NaNiwa. Week 4-6 are rough for those that followed my advice, and I apologize for the stress it will cause you. With a little effort and lots of luck, maybe we can all survive this with our fantasy scores in tack.
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well traded Happy for sC, idk if its a good idea, but Happy is unlikely to be played while fOu will need sC in order to make playoffs.
thoughts?
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EPT![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/e/ec/MVPlogo_std.png)
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