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About Me:
1000elo masters. World-class video game player (not in SC2 however-.-). I am familiar with training myself to improve.
Introduction:
I've been working on a couple things to improve my mouse accuracy. I'm sure that you all are like me and have absolutely atrocious mouse accuracy. This is easy to determine if you have your mouse at the top right of the screen, and can click on a unit at the bottom left of the screen with MAXIMUM speed. If you can't, you probably need some work  Even if you're unable to click on a link on this webpage without tracing the mouse to the area you want to click (instead of moving your mouse as fast as you can KNOWING you're going to hit the link), then you need some work.
Mouse acceleration:
I've seen some people advocate for mouse acceleration. As a person who switched from acceleration to no-acceleration and have noticed a HUGE improvement, I believe it is undeniable that mouse acceleration hinders your you accuracy. Why memorize speed AND hand distance to move the mouse a certain amount of pixels? Just memorize the hand distance! Less things to memorize, more easily attainable mastery!
How do you remove mouse acceleration? Well, I've read a couple things that say windows requires registry changes and the like in order to completely remove acceleration. I HAVE done those reg changes, but I will not post them here. If you want to find these proposed reg changes, google them. Also, I don't use a mac or linux, so you Unix people will have to google that as well.
On windows, in order to remove acceleration (or at least change vector acceleration to independent axes acceleration), you can Uncheck the "Enhanced Mouse Precision" box in the Mouse Properties control panel thingy. You will also want to increase your mouse pointer speed by 1 tick on that bar above the checkbox. That will give you a speed that you are familiar with.
Mouse practice:
I have been using the typical mouse practice games as ways to benchmark progress in my accuracy improvement:
http://www.bigfatarcade.com/swf/discdash.swf
http://www.missionred.com/games/reflexte.html
However, my primary PRACTICE for improving is using the following image that I simply created with mspaint:
http://i.imgur.com/avHOY.png
With this image, I move my mouse around, trying to get it closest to the center of a random box as I can. My general procedures are as follows:
(1) Try to make each route from one box to another as straight as possible
(2) If you miss the center of the box (overshoot, undershoot, or land on the lines), you must go back to the previous box and do it 3 more times. For every time you miss, do it another 3 times. If you notice that you are doing very poorly, SLOW DOWN.
(3) If I am noticing an increase in accuracy, I may increase my speed.
(4) After a while, I may test my accuracy in the aforementioned games and compare scores, accuracy %'s, and time.
I think it is very important to use the above method for practicing accuracy. I have noticed that when I play the GAMES instead of use the IMAGE, my precision is not fantastic and it is NOT improving too much. As I learned from my piano lessons, it is better to do things slowly and correctly than to do them quickly and incorrectly. After doing them slowly and correctly a lot, increase speed.
You guys:
I hope this helps some people. I'd also like to hear your methods of practicing and perhaps even your scores on the above mentioned games!
For Disc Dash: I can typically get around 500k before my hand gets tired or I get bored.
For Reflexte: I ALWAYS die on level 5, and my accuracy % is usually 85 - 90%.
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I now play osu for this. 4-5 star beatmaps.
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I'd imagine the popular game Osu helps with this as well
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I've tried various mouse accuracy games and found them quite ineffective due to various reasons. Though Mission Red is surprisingly addictive. Going to use that MSpaint image, goddamn that's so simple and perfect while listening to a podcast. Beats trying to hit the X on tabs and random areas while browsing. Kind of wonder why I never thought of just placing a few dots in Paint, lol, simplicity.
I'd like to add one point though, certain mouses have angle snapping enabled by default. This basically means it tries to help you draw a straight line, it essentially adds an artificial ruler to your cursor. That's obviously quite terrible as you want 100% control of your mouse. The MX518 in particular has this issue, and as far as I'm aware you can't even turn it off with that one.
Gotta ask though, world class video game player in what video game?
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On June 17 2011 08:44 NeoSlicerZ wrote:
I now play osu for this. 4-5 star beatmaps.
I have difficulty finding music I like for osu, there is just not enough ska :'(
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I've made a custom map of reflexte, just search for reflex when creating a game and it should pop up, afaik it's uploaded on US as well...
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Northern Ireland23939 Posts
I play on an Intel mac, was thinking of installing Windows just to disable mouse acceleration which is just a total pain in the ass
Any fellow Macfags got any advice in turning off mouse accel? I have looked around, even put in code to the console, that can sort it out but screws up my tracking speed, and has to be re-input every single time I restart.
Thanks in advance, cool advice too btw. Also what game were you world class in, as asked above
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On June 17 2011 08:48 Ubertron wrote:
I play on an Intel mac, was thinking of installing Windows just to disable mouse acceleration which is just a total pain in the ass
Any fellow Macfags got any advice in turning off mouse accel? I have looked around, even put in code to the console, that can sort it out but screws up my tracking speed, and has to be re-input every single time I restart.
Thanks in advance, cool advice too btw. Also what game were you world class in, as asked above
I've heard of an app called USB Overdrive that can disable mouse acceleration, as well as a System Preferences panel to disable it. I haven't tried either (I just play with acceleration, because i'm not that serious about starcraft), so I couldn't say if they work or not.
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I play Osu as well. Problem with mini-games like these is that you get bored pretty quick. But with Osu, it is at least fun and a bit addicting, and you can always pick the songs that you like. So I can play that for 1-2 hours without getting bored
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OP: Just out of curiosity, what kind of accomplishments have you achieved that make you a "world class video game player"?
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On June 17 2011 08:46 Soluhwin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 08:44 NeoSlicerZ wrote:
I now play osu for this. 4-5 star beatmaps. I have difficulty finding music I like for osu, there is just not enough ska :'(
I find myself playing the Nightcored songs aswell as a rock. 
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On June 17 2011 08:54 Fubi wrote:
I play Osu as well. Problem with mini-games like these is that you get bored pretty quick. But with Osu, it is at least fun and a bit addicting, and you can always pick the songs that you like. So I can play that for 1-2 hours without getting bored
it's mostly anime music and not everyone likes them.
also this has to be like the millionth "mouse precision,accuracy,quickness etc." thread.
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Ya'll may laugh at me for the game that I am world-class at, but in reality, it requires a shit ton of the same kind of skills that you need in other popular PC games and requires a good 180-200 APM.
The game is a custom scenario on Warcraft III called Sheep Tag. I was the main map developer for 5 years, played and placed well in world-wide tournaments, and still, today, help manage the community.
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On June 17 2011 08:37 GosuSheep wrote:
On windows, in order to remove acceleration (or at least change vector acceleration to independent axes acceleration), you can Uncheck the "Enhanced Mouse Precision" box in the Mouse Properties control panel thingy. You will also want to increase your mouse pointer speed by 1 tick on that bar above the checkbox. That will give you a speed that you are familiar with.
I heard that Starcraft II ignores the Enhanced Mouse Precision option, so changing that setting doesn't turn off acceleration, can anyone verify?
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On June 17 2011 09:17 GosuSheep wrote:
Ya'll may laugh at me for the game that I am world-class at, but in reality, it requires a shit ton of the same kind of skills that you need in other popular PC games and requires a good 180-200 APM.
The game is a custom scenario on Warcraft III called Sheep Tag. I was the main map developer for 5 years, played and placed well in world-wide tournaments, and still, today, help manage the community.
that is a little laughable, but being world class at anything is still cool.
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On June 17 2011 08:37 GosuSheep wrote:You will also want to increase your mouse pointer speed by 1 tick on that bar above the checkbox. That will give you a speed that you are familiar with.
Do NOT change the "select a pointer speed" option to anything other than the 6th tick (default). If you want accurate information on mouse acceleration see: http://www.overclock.net/mice/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html
Remember how I said the best setting was 6?!
This is because the inputs from the mouse are untouched and relate directly 1:1 with cursor movement. Every "tick" of the mouse the cursor moves 1 pixel your cursor on setting 6. On setting 8 for example, one mouse "tick", moves your cursor two pixels. Setting 4 on the other hand, ignores every other input from your mouse, so the mouse moves two pixels before your cursor moves 1.
We want the raw unscaled movement data from your mouse..
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@Suichoy, I don't think that's true. I've definitely noticed a difference.
@Mthex, Dota is a warcraft3 custom scenario
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I would suggest minesweeper! It requires accurate clicking and brains.
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If only I had a way of making my mouse sensitivity THE SAME in every game I play as well as on my desktop><
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Seeing as this picture is a windows picture(also, the games), is there a guide on how to synchronize your starcraft sensitivity such that it is exactly equal to your windows sensitivity? Without having to buy a new mouse? I have a 400 dpi intellimouse optical 1.1 and there's no higher dpi mouse available in the same shape as that mouse.
I suspect that memorizing hand distances in windows wouldn't be very helpful unless you have the same distances in Starcraft.
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It can be a lot of fun to play these games and also look quite impressive if you are good at them (as good as this guy ;p)
+ Show Spoiler +but whenever there was a thread on TL where people were asked to post their results from mouse accuracy games or multitasking games and their skill at bw/sc2, there was no correlation between their skill in bw/sc2 and their skill in missionred (etc.) games.
So if you really want to improve at sc2 you should probably focus on other things.
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On June 17 2011 10:10 Alsn wrote:
Seeing as this picture is a windows picture(also, the games), is there a guide on how to synchronize your starcraft sensitivity such that it is exactly equal to your windows sensitivity? Without having to buy a new mouse? I have a 400 dpi intellimouse optical 1.1 and there's no higher dpi mouse available in the same shape as that mouse.
I suspect that memorizing hand distances in windows wouldn't be very helpful unless you have the same distances in Starcraft.
6/11 in Windows and 51% in SC2 is 1:1 without pixel skipping.
More HERE, author recommends 8/11 and 72% for 400 dpi.
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On June 17 2011 09:17 GosuSheep wrote:
Ya'll may laugh at me for the game that I am world-class at, but in reality, it requires a shit ton of the same kind of skills that you need in other popular PC games and requires a good 180-200 APM.
The game is a custom scenario on Warcraft III called Sheep Tag. I was the main map developer for 5 years, played and placed well in world-wide tournaments, and still, today, help manage the community.
I am world class at picking my nose... o wait :D
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On June 17 2011 10:31 Hrwa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 10:10 Alsn wrote:
Seeing as this picture is a windows picture(also, the games), is there a guide on how to synchronize your starcraft sensitivity such that it is exactly equal to your windows sensitivity? Without having to buy a new mouse? I have a 400 dpi intellimouse optical 1.1 and there's no higher dpi mouse available in the same shape as that mouse.
I suspect that memorizing hand distances in windows wouldn't be very helpful unless you have the same distances in Starcraft. 6/11 in Windows and 51% in SC2 is 1:1 without pixel skipping. More HERE, author recommends 8/11 and 72% for 400 dpi. Awesome, thanks for pointing me in the right direction(and thanks to that thread's creator ^^).
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My mouse acuraccy is terrible  , osu is so hard too.
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On June 17 2011 10:31 Hrwa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 10:10 Alsn wrote:
Seeing as this picture is a windows picture(also, the games), is there a guide on how to synchronize your starcraft sensitivity such that it is exactly equal to your windows sensitivity? Without having to buy a new mouse? I have a 400 dpi intellimouse optical 1.1 and there's no higher dpi mouse available in the same shape as that mouse.
I suspect that memorizing hand distances in windows wouldn't be very helpful unless you have the same distances in Starcraft. 6/11 in Windows and 51% in SC2 is 1:1 without pixel skipping. More HERE, author recommends 8/11 and 72% for 400 dpi.
wow thanks alot i've been looking for this my whole life and you dont imagine how much is that (since sc2 came out)
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The problem with using those games to improve mouse accuracy is you will only be improving accuracy for those games. While your reflexes might be getting a work out, you need to actually practice within SC2 to really improve your SC2 mousing skills. Do something similar to what you were trying to accomplish with that png you made. Move as smoothly as possible from unit to unit, increasing your speed and difficulty of task gradually over time. Eventually you will get better with active practice and dedication.
I agree that acceleration can over complicate your mousing motion. I don't use it, but others seem to find great success with it. The disadvantage is obviously a drop in accuracy. However, acceleration lets you move from point to point more efficiently and with less effort.That advantage can be a significant factor in a fast game.
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Again, I do not use those games to improve my mouse accuracy. I use that little image. Furthermore, I do not use this image to improve my SC2 skills. I use it to improve mouse accuracy. I use the GAMES to benchmark progress. Numbers are always helpful.
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On June 17 2011 14:06 JayDee_ wrote:
The problem with using those games to improve mouse accuracy is you will only be improving accuracy for those games. While your reflexes might be getting a work out, you need to actually practice within SC2 to really improve your SC2 mousing skills. Do something similar to what you were trying to accomplish with that png you made. Move as smoothly as possible from unit to unit, increasing your speed and difficulty of task gradually over time. Eventually you will get better with active practice and dedication.
I agree that acceleration can over complicate your mousing motion. I don't use it, but others seem to find great success with it. The disadvantage is obviously a drop in accuracy. However, acceleration lets you move from point to point more efficiently and with less effort.That advantage can be a significant factor in a fast game.
If you have 1:1 accuracy in windows:sc2 it really should carry over. It shouldn't matter if you're using a image or ingame, that being said there's no real reason not to practice in game, unless you're at work or can't.
Also 500k discdash is pretty impressive, I'd almost like to see a vod to see how fast/accurate you're cursor is.
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Disc dash is soooooo easy. After it gets to the highest difficult, I can pretty much never miss unless I get distracted. Reflexte is the hard one.
The reason I practice with the image is so that I can improve precision at my own pace. In a REAL game, I'm focusing on a lot more than just precision. This gives me a chance to tend to those needs without any distraction.
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i just play starcraft to improve my mouse precision -_-
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On June 18 2011 03:22 rickybobby wrote:
i just play starcraft to improve my mouse precision -_-
That is what my friend says, but most people move their mouse unconsciously and wont improve without conscious practice. Zerg players, for example, don't have anything obvious to micro and can't practice it in game. However, with mouse precision, they can do micro on the fly. The first four zerglings have only a ten second micro window, but forcing the opponent to make addition lings is a pretty big deal. IdrA is one of the best zergs imo becuase his mouse movement are so smooth from his BW days.
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Lately Ive been practicing making boxes from every direction, and Ive noticed im really good at going from bottom right to top left (which its generally harder to make boxes upwards from what Im seeing). Ive been wondering why that is for awhile.
So today I was bored an went through flash games when I stumbled on one I played a lot in high school. You defend your castle from attackers by dragging the people up a certain height and then drop them. After a few rounds I was like, OH, this must be why!
I guess you had to be there for it to be funny 
http://www.xgenstudios.com/play/castle/
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I often find myself being worldclass at procrastination
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36923 Posts
Wait a minute, if this is about mouse accuracy/acceleration/movements/improvements, then why is it in the SC2 General section?
Seems more like just General section to me.....
Unless you are saying that these mouse practices will help SC2?
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On June 17 2011 13:49 Dartego wrote:http://aim400kg.ru/ also can help. You can add it in first post
Yeah that site is great. But my accuracy is still terrible so...
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my mouse speed on destkop is totally different then my ingame starcraft 2 mouse sens :O
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ive wondered if the key to being good to those games is to have a very high sensitivity on your mouse with some amount of acceleration, its very difficult for me to imagine ever being very good and accurate with my current settings (mid-high sensitivity, no accel)
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@Sadist,
It's all about precision. If you know that you're going to click on something when you move your mouse (as opposed to tracing the mouse and making sure the mouse is above the target before you click), you can click on like 5 targets in a second.
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This is sort of a hardware question but it falls into accuracy so I thought I'd post here.
Currently I'm using This Mouse but theres a few things I'm finding that really hinder my accuracy.
1. The laser is extremely sensitive and the cursor seems to randomly move a couple pixels in any direction for no reason, so I miss click a lot.
2. The mouse is pretty big and the back of the mouse sometimes jams into the palm of my hand when trying to move it vertically with my fingers.
3. The buttons don't click really well unless you palm the mouse plus it feels heavy.
The funny thing is, I'm sitting here at work and using This Mouse and I really like it, for being a dell $15 mouse. Its light and doesn't jam into my palm. I got 150k on the disc dash game with this mouse no problem.
The only problem with it is it seems just overall like a bad quality mouse, and its kind of small when trying to use a claw grip. What do you guys think of this mouse, and are there any similar to it that are better in quality that you could suggest?
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if you look on day9s blip tv he posts how to improve apm and mouse accuracy and speed so you guys should check it out
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Sheep tag was so fun ! I hope they bring a similar version beck in SC2
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The old disc dash from bigfatarcade seems to be down. Anyone knows a mirror where you can play fullscreen?
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or play Osu! if you're interested add me, although im not playing that much at the moment since my tendons hurt.
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On June 17 2011 08:48 Wombat_NI wrote:
I play on an Intel mac, was thinking of installing Windows just to disable mouse acceleration which is just a total pain in the ass
Any fellow Macfags got any advice in turning off mouse accel? I have looked around, even put in code to the console, that can sort it out but screws up my tracking speed, and has to be re-input every single time I restart.
Thanks in advance, cool advice too btw. Also what game were you world class in, as asked above
I'm a Macfag (lol) and I use SmoothMouse. It removes the inherent mouse lag in OSX and gives you the option to turn acceleration off.
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On February 25 2014 03:20 kirdie wrote:
The old disc dash from bigfatarcade seems to be down. Anyone knows a mirror where you can play fullscreen?
A little bit of Google goes a long way. http://www.arcadecabin.com/play/disc_dash.html
Edit: There is fullscreen mode.
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I just use OSU, played (snutes?) old mouse accuracy game a bit too.
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Lol, i suck at these games. It seems i'm better at going somewhere on screen at a certain time, than going somehwere as fast as possible. It might help i actually see my cursor during osu, because of an attached trail. (ok, i don't look at my cursor during osu, but at least i know where it is)
But i guess being good at being 'as fast as possible' is more useful than being good at going somewhere rythmically correct when playing sc; or most other games.
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If you can read ar10(or 9) then jump beatmaps like these are excellent.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/127447
I started playing Osu! because I wanted better mouse accuracy for sc and it indeed helped. But I ended up buying a tablet and now I almost never play sc because of Osu! lol.
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On February 25 2014 17:51 PanzerElite wrote:If you can read ar10(or 9) then jump beatmaps like these are excellent. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/127447I started playing Osu! because I wanted better mouse accuracy for sc and it indeed helped. But I ended up buying a tablet and now I almost never play sc because of Osu! lol. Hm, i dont like that map very much.
I'd rather play this map. Jumps are somewhat easier, but the map is rythmically sooo much better, it's much more fun to play. (need ar10? hr)
But i guess this should continue in the osu thread.
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