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Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
June 16 2011 18:38 GMT
#1
I thought it was a nice idea to collect some data from the TL players.


Poll: What's your main race?

Zerg (616)
 
33%

Protoss (612)
 
33%

Terran (477)
 
26%

Random (141)
 
8%

1846 total votes

Your vote: What's your main race?

(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Random




Poll: For Zergs: What's your hardest match-up?

Protoss (381)
 
42%

Zerg (295)
 
33%

Terran (231)
 
25%

907 total votes

Your vote: For Zergs: What's your hardest match-up?

(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran




Poll: For Protoss: What's your hardest match-up?

Zerg (430)
 
57%

Terran (196)
 
26%

Protoss (132)
 
17%

758 total votes

Your vote: For Protoss: What's your hardest match-up?

(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran




Poll: For Terrans: What's your hardest match-up?

Zerg (372)
 
59%

Protoss (169)
 
27%

Terran (90)
 
14%

631 total votes

Your vote: For Terrans: What's your hardest match-up?

(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Terran




Poll: What league are you in?

Diamond (545)
 
34%

Masters (423)
 
26%

Platinum (333)
 
20%

Gold (152)
 
9%

Silver (89)
 
5%

Grand Masters (46)
 
3%

Bronze (37)
 
2%

1625 total votes

Your vote: What league are you in?

(Vote): Bronze
(Vote): Silver
(Vote): Gold
(Vote): Platinum
(Vote): Diamond
(Vote): Masters
(Vote): Grand Masters




Poll: What's your average APM?

75-100 (512)
 
32%

100-125 (379)
 
24%

50-75 (241)
 
15%

125-150 (220)
 
14%

150-200 (140)
 
9%

<50 (45)
 
3%

200-250 (41)
 
3%

>250 (20)
 
1%

1598 total votes

Your vote: What's your average APM?

(Vote): <50
(Vote): 50-75
(Vote): 75-100
(Vote): 100-125
(Vote): 125-150
(Vote): 150-200
(Vote): 200-250
(Vote): >250




Poll: Have you played SC:BW?

Yes (702)
 
43%

No (486)
 
30%

Yes, but not online (426)
 
26%

1614 total votes

Your vote: Have you played SC:BW?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes, but not online




Poll: How many hours do you play per week?

<4 (486)
 
33%

4-8 (423)
 
29%

8-12 (219)
 
15%

12-16 (125)
 
8%

>28 (109)
 
7%

16-20 (77)
 
5%

24-28 (45)
 
3%

1484 total votes

Your vote: How many hours do you play per week?

(Vote): <4
(Vote): 4-8
(Vote): 8-12
(Vote): 12-16
(Vote): 16-20
(Vote): 24-28
(Vote): >28




Poll: You...

... try to improve but don't stress yourself. (989)
 
65%

... train hard to improve. (303)
 
20%

... play games for fun. (224)
 
15%

1516 total votes

Your vote: You...

(Vote): ... play games for fun.
(Vote): ... train hard to improve.
(Vote): ... try to improve but don't stress yourself.




Poll: The best way to win is...

Every win is good, how you do it doesn't matter. (650)
 
45%

... outmacroing your enemy hard. (451)
 
31%

... outsmarting your enemy. (291)
 
20%

... crush him in a devastating attack. (44)
 
3%

1436 total votes

Your vote: The best way to win is...

(Vote): ... outmacroing your enemy hard.
(Vote): ... crush him in a devastating attack.
(Vote): ... outsmarting your enemy.
(Vote): Every win is good, how you do it doesn't matter.




Poll: Do you play more Ladder or Custom games?

Ladder (1091)
 
75%

Custom (360)
 
25%

1451 total votes

Your vote: Do you play more Ladder or Custom games?

(Vote): Ladder
(Vote): Custom




Poll: What's your goal?

To become the best player I can. (613)
 
43%

No goal, just playing for fun. (350)
 
24%

To reach a certain league/rank. (315)
 
22%

To become a pro. (162)
 
11%

1440 total votes

Your vote: What's your goal?

(Vote): To become a pro.
(Vote): To reach a certain league/rank.
(Vote): No goal, just playing for fun.
(Vote): To become the best player I can.


Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 16 2011 18:39 GMT
#2
Didn't motbob already do something like this or a census?
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Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
June 16 2011 18:41 GMT
#3

I thought it was a nice idea to collect some data from the TL players.

what you wanna do with it? Dont see the need to collect info as a goal.
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
June 16 2011 18:42 GMT
#4
Lol, evidently nobody on TL wins ZvP ever, on either side.
-swordguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States560 Posts
June 16 2011 18:43 GMT
#5
Might as well post what I chose:+ Show Spoiler +
Play as toss, hardest is pvz,
in diamond,
150-200 apm,
haven't played BW,
<4 hours sadly,
try to improve but don't stress myself,
every win is good,
more ladder than custom,
and to become the best player.
I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once - William Shakespeare, ‘’Julius Caesar’’
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
June 16 2011 18:45 GMT
#6
I find it quite interesting, I'm glad to know that I am an average TLer.

age poll might be interesting too.
Its grack
-swordguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States560 Posts
June 16 2011 18:45 GMT
#7
On June 17 2011 03:42 ampson wrote:
Lol, evidently nobody on TL wins ZvP ever, on either side.

Zvp is a pain for both. Zergs don't feel comfortable letting the toss get the deathball but don't feel like they are ready for it. Toss is nervous as they rely on the deathball and are afraid to try to stop the 3rd as when they move out they can be countered easy. Actually as a heads up for other toss players, until diamond almost no zerg would send in their lings as soon as I left my base, just sayin.
I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once - William Shakespeare, ‘’Julius Caesar’’
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
June 16 2011 18:46 GMT
#8
On June 17 2011 03:43 -swordguy wrote:
Might as well post what I chose:+ Show Spoiler +
Play as toss, hardest is pvz,
in diamond,
150-200 apm,
haven't played BW,
<4 hours sadly,
try to improve but don't stress myself,
every win is good,
more ladder than custom,
and to become the best player.

how do you have 150-200 APM and still in diamond? do you spam a lot?
enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
June 16 2011 18:48 GMT
#9
On June 17 2011 03:45 -swordguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 03:42 ampson wrote:
Lol, evidently nobody on TL wins ZvP ever, on either side.

Zvp is a pain for both. Zergs don't feel comfortable letting the toss get the deathball but don't feel like they are ready for it. Toss is nervous as they rely on the deathball and are afraid to try to stop the 3rd as when they move out they can be countered easy. Actually as a heads up for other toss players, until diamond almost no zerg would send in their lings as soon as I left my base, just sayin.

LOL, i had the same thought about the fear of both races about the other one :D

I (as zerg) would feel veeery comfortable just to a-move my deathball into victory :D

1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 18:53:16
June 16 2011 18:49 GMT
#10
APM is really no measure of skill. I'm in Diamond with <50 APM. No spam here.

edit: and no, I'm not a toss player in sc2. Terran has been my main for months.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
June 16 2011 18:50 GMT
#11
On June 17 2011 03:42 ampson wrote:
Lol, evidently nobody on TL wins ZvP ever, on either side.


LOL, my thoughts exactly
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 18:51:02
June 16 2011 18:50 GMT
#12
Poll: The question "The best way to win is..." is asking

What is the most satisfying way for you to win? (93)
 
68%

What is the way that gives you the best chance to win? (20)
 
15%

at is the most satisfying way for the average player to win? (20)
 
15%

What is the way that gives the average player the best chance to win? (3)
 
2%

136 total votes

Your vote: The question "The best way to win is..." is asking

(Vote): What is the way that gives you the best chance to win?
(Vote): What is the way that gives the average player the best chance to win?
(Vote): What is the most satisfying way for you to win?
(Vote): at is the most satisfying way for the average player to win?



Sorry about #4, my copy/paste skills are lacking I guess.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 16 2011 18:52 GMT
#13
Play toss, hardest PvP
In gold
75-100 APM
Play BW almost more than sc2 these days
<4 hours
Try to improve but don't stress myself about it.
Every win is good
More custom then ladder
To become the best player.

OP it would be cool if you put some graphs and such together to illustrate your findings.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Mario1209
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 18:55:39
June 16 2011 18:53 GMT
#14
1.What's your main race?
Zerg
2.For Zergs: What's your hardest match-up?
ZvT
3.What league are you in?
Diamond
4.What's your average APM?
80~
5,Have you played SC:BW?
for about 8 months, but only ums :S
6.You...
train hard to improve
7.The best way to win is...
outmacro ^^
8.How many hours do you play per week?
>28
9.Do you play more Ladder or Custom games?
Ladder
10.What's your goal?
i'd like to some day reach grand masters league, if the option to become pro happens, i'd take it, but unlikely.

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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 16 2011 18:53 GMT
#15
I guess PvZ is the least fun matchup or most ]frustrating to play =/
Jaedong :3
Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
June 16 2011 18:59 GMT
#16
On June 17 2011 03:50 Chill wrote:
Poll: The question "The best way to win is..." is asking

What is the most satisfying way for you to win? (93)
 
68%

What is the way that gives you the best chance to win? (20)
 
15%

at is the most satisfying way for the average player to win? (20)
 
15%

What is the way that gives the average player the best chance to win? (3)
 
2%

136 total votes

Your vote: The question "The best way to win is..." is asking

(Vote): What is the way that gives you the best chance to win?
(Vote): What is the way that gives the average player the best chance to win?
(Vote): What is the most satisfying way for you to win?
(Vote): at is the most satisfying way for the average player to win?



Sorry about #4, my copy/paste skills are lacking I guess.


umm... what is going on in this post if I might ask?
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 16 2011 18:59 GMT
#17
These results are actually starting to fascinate me. In gold league (huge caveat I know) I have a 70%+ win rate vs Zerg. Meanwhile my PvP is absolutely atrocious. It's interesting to see what people are answering compared to my own experience.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
June 16 2011 19:01 GMT
#18
On June 17 2011 03:53 ReketSomething wrote:
I guess PvZ is the least fun matchup or most ]frustrating to play =/


Well I voted that its the hardest match up for, but i also find it most fun (from P perspective)
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
June 16 2011 19:02 GMT
#19
ZvP is difficult. Glad I am not the only one. Even through I am possibly worse on ZvZ but it just doesn't feel good losing to P rather than Z...not sure why.
To be honest, I thought losing to Z would feel worse because it means he is a better zerg than I am.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 16 2011 19:10 GMT
#20
Im happy that to become the best player i can be is winning that poll.

The most satisfying way to win is to outsmart your opponent imo.
I like the idea of this poll.
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