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Chainfire99
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada474 Posts
June 29 2011 01:59 GMT
#61
main race: Terran
hardest mu: TvZ
league: Diamond
avg APM: 75-100
played BW: no
Hours: 4-8
you: Try to improve but not stress
best way to win: outsmart
Ladder or Custom: Custom
goal: to become the best player i can be
Vincere Vel Mori
Novabuzz
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany23 Posts
June 29 2011 02:03 GMT
#62
I find it quite amusing that so many people consider playing vs Zerg as their worst/hardest mu. Metagame has changed quite a bit :p
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
June 29 2011 02:05 GMT
#63
nice to see I'm not the only one having trouble with TvZ
coLCruncher fighting!
barneycast
Profile Joined June 2011
United States38 Posts
June 29 2011 02:06 GMT
#64
Seems like everyones struggling vs Z. metagame shift about to come in with the next patch probably
Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
June 29 2011 02:33 GMT
#65
Random (thus responding all race matchups)
high master
As terran: protoss.
As zerg: protoss
As protoss: zerg
APM 150-200 (130-150ish sc2apm, aka 170-210ish real)
SCBW: yes
>28h
outmacroing opponent
more ladder than custom
only play for fun, because I've come to conclusion there's no way to come at top as random, and game gets boring when picking race for me.
Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
June 29 2011 02:39 GMT
#66
It's pretty easy to guess Z/P have hardest time with their counterparts, since vs T it's just map dependant issues. T is imba in close, and easier than Z/P in far pos. What I'm surprised is how terrans consider zerg harder than toss. I've heard this from few fellow GM players too who play terran. Maybe it's just me not getting tvp, since it's the only matchup out of 9 that is around 40%, all rest between 45-55%.

Also shows how majority of TLrs are pretty casual. Around 50% playing game less than hour per day, meaning it's not necessarily the most timeconsuming hobby for most.
Imbak333
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada49 Posts
June 29 2011 03:54 GMT
#67
I always felt that zerg was the least played race by far.
this really shatters my whole belief system
someday
Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
July 06 2011 16:11 GMT
#68
And another bump for some more votes.
Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
July 06 2011 16:23 GMT
#69
I personally like the question about the best way to win a match as it serves no real purpose in my opinion, heavily depending on the actual goal one might be driven by. If someone cares much about his/her position on the ladder, cheesing will be the answer; on the other hand, if someone wants to win tournaments and have some idea about what it takes to do so, the attention is paid elsewhere.

Anyway, PvZ seems to be in a state of eternal stalemate at the moment.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 16:48:34
July 06 2011 16:43 GMT
#70
On June 17 2011 03:46 Ruyguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 03:43 -swordguy wrote:
Might as well post what I chose:+ Show Spoiler +
Play as toss, hardest is pvz,
in diamond,
150-200 apm,
haven't played BW,
<4 hours sadly,
try to improve but don't stress myself,
every win is good,
more ladder than custom,
and to become the best player.

how do you have 150-200 APM and still in diamond? do you spam a lot?

he plays <4hrs a week and could just lose a lot to allins

edit: adding my post for answers
Protoss
hardest PvT earlygame (those allins >.<) PvZ mid/lategame
Masters
~280-360apm (depending on a few factors such as length of game and how much i have to micro)
I played SC:BW for years reaching C with P C- with Z and D+ with T (T was hard mechanically lol)
I train hard to improve
I love to outmacro my opponents and just crush them through having a greater army :D
I play around 16-20hrs a week (not enough time or energy to do more T_T)
mostly ladder but i do a few customs
I want to be the best most competetive player I can be, wether that leads me to being a pro/gm or just a high masters player or somewhere else, time will tell
zakmaa
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada525 Posts
July 06 2011 17:37 GMT
#71
Posting what I picked:

+ Show Spoiler +
Play Zerg
Hardest MU: Protoss
Masters
APM: 150-200
Played SC:BW against computers when I was like 7 y/o. So I picked "No."
Play 4-8 hours per week.
Try to improve, but don't stress myself.
"... outmacroing your enemy hard"
I play more Ladder than Custom
My goal is to be the best that I can.
kYem
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom412 Posts
July 06 2011 17:38 GMT
#72
main race: Terran
hardest mu: TvZ
league: Master
avg APM: ~170
played BW: Yes, but not online
Hours: 18h +
you: try to improve but don't stress yourself, ( work )
best way to win: outsmart
Ladder or Custom: ladder
goal: to become the best player i can be
Hell
Drive_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada35 Posts
July 06 2011 18:04 GMT
#73
Interesting to see there is quite a few people trying to go "pro"
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
July 06 2011 20:44 GMT
#74
Hell, this is a test of intelligence and I obviously failed! This is so difficult! I can work in quantum field theory, but no, I can't get this right...

So please, imagine on less click on "as a zerg -> terran", as I am definitely not a Zerg
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Saicam
Profile Joined July 2011
262 Posts
July 06 2011 20:45 GMT
#75
PvZ is pretty hard, the new zerg styles lately are so strong P is pretty weak atm
Endure
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada287 Posts
July 06 2011 20:47 GMT
#76
good amount of polls and some good general questions it's nice to see what most TLers play
DarkenedLite
Profile Joined April 2011
United States188 Posts
July 06 2011 20:56 GMT
#77
For the Swarm.

Diamond Zerg, aiming for Masters when I have more time to contribute to my play and laddering.
You can only win the game when you understand that it is a game.
TUski
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1258 Posts
July 06 2011 21:04 GMT
#78
1.What's your main race?
Zerg
2.For Zergs: What's your hardest match-up?
ZvZ
3.What league are you in?
Masters
4.What's your average APM?
150+
5,Have you played SC:BW?
Money maps!!
6.You...
train hard to improve
7.The best way to win is...
outmacro
8.How many hours do you play per week?
8-12 hours a week
9.Do you play more Ladder or Custom games?
Ladder
10.What's your goal?
Best player I can be
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
July 06 2011 21:05 GMT
#79
Race: Zerg.
Hardest MU: ZvP
League: Masters
APM:200~250
I have played BW
Hours: <4 (I haven't laddered in 9 weeks)
I used to train hard to improve, now its just for fun
Best way to win, is to barely outplay my opponent
I have more ladder games than customs
Goal: To become the best player I can.

I feel like anyone who has played BW generally has higher apm.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 06 2011 21:09 GMT
#80
I love how when the question is for people who play a specific race, way more people vote than claimed a specific race in the initial poll.
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