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Dysorl
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark15 Posts
June 13 2011 23:55 GMT
#1181
There's actually an interview made by Josh Suth in wich KiWi says "I don't really need money".
http://www.youtube.com/user/compLexityINSIDER?blend=2&ob=5#p/search/2/mZtxnn45jkY
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
June 13 2011 23:57 GMT
#1182
On June 14 2011 08:47 Kammalleri wrote:
I'm surprised with the Kiwikaki asks for a lot of money tho, Root didn't make money for most of its existent and Kiwikaki always stuck with the team.. He said he was getting a lot of offers, but never wanted to make the move because he liked the team..

He might be asking for a lot of money with another team or something, but I doubt he was a money whore with Root. I could be wrong tho.

That said it would have been awesome if he did post on root-gaming and stuff, it's very little to do to show that you're part of the team and communicates with the fans and everything.

I hope coL buying the team won't cause shit between Kiwi-Slush and the rest of the team tho.

Of course not, I am not trying to bm them or cause shit, Kiwi and Slush are 2 of my favorite people that I have met in Starcraft and we are good friends. Kiwi really believe in what we were trying to build with ROOT, but now that it isn't going to happen it was time to part ways, and that is ok.
www.root-gaming.com
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 00:02:00
June 14 2011 00:00 GMT
#1183
On June 14 2011 08:01 coL.drewbie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 07:55 Dexington wrote:
Drewbie, Kiwi may be asking for a lot of money, but I think it's fair to say that he deserves it. When he is playing his best, he has shown to be the best NA Protoss.

Yes, I agree that he is the best NA Protoss and I am the biggest fan of his play and I think he is one of the smartest players out there. The problem is that KiWi already has money from poker and he doesn't need to treat the game as a business, he doesn't need to spend his time getting his name out there and marketing himself or streaming or anything. These things are really important to a big team that is going to spend a lot of money to have him play for them, and they are going to want him to make videos and do blogs and interviews and stream.



Ah, that makes sense.

I don't know Kiwi, and I think he is a great gamer. But he always struck me as the type of player that enjoyed, and could afford, a certain level of the freedom.

A man of leisure, if you will.

Being on contract is pretty much like having a job, and it's fair for a sponsor to expect you to meet various obligations and performance criteria.
gamecreator
Profile Joined July 2010
United States24 Posts
June 14 2011 00:00 GMT
#1184
On June 14 2011 08:32 Lunaro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 06:57 gamecreator wrote:
I was curious so I made a list.

Ladder Positions
3. KiWiKaKi (ROOT)
19. slush (ROOT)
27. Minigun (ROOT -> coL)
28. rsvp (coL)
30. CrunCher (coL)
81. Destiny (ROOT -> coL)
61. Catz (ROOT -> coL)
79. FireZerg (coL)
101. Drewbie (ROOT -> coL)
113. Ryze (coL)
Not GM - ddoRo (ROOT -> coL)
Not GM - AntiMage, Ryan, Steak (coL)


You forgot that steak = stalife and he's rank 69 GM :/


Corrected. Thank you!
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
June 14 2011 00:06 GMT
#1185
On June 14 2011 09:00 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 08:01 coL.drewbie wrote:
On June 14 2011 07:55 Dexington wrote:
Drewbie, Kiwi may be asking for a lot of money, but I think it's fair to say that he deserves it. When he is playing his best, he has shown to be the best NA Protoss.

Yes, I agree that he is the best NA Protoss and I am the biggest fan of his play and I think he is one of the smartest players out there. The problem is that KiWi already has money from poker and he doesn't need to treat the game as a business, he doesn't need to spend his time getting his name out there and marketing himself or streaming or anything. These things are really important to a big team that is going to spend a lot of money to have him play for them, and they are going to want him to make videos and do blogs and interviews and stream.



Ah, that makes sense.

I don't know Kiwi, and I think he is a great gamer. But he always struck me as the type of player that enjoyed, and could afford, a certain level of the freedom.

A man of leisure, if you will.

Being on contract is pretty much like having a job, and it's fair for a sponsor to expect you to meet various obligations and performance criteria.


Yeah, that is a good way to put it, I think that's the main reason that Kiwi / Slush did not want to come to coL, and that is ok, we are still friends. But the rest of us in coL are going to be working very hard to live up to the complexity name ; )
www.root-gaming.com
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 00:09:41
June 14 2011 00:08 GMT
#1186
On June 14 2011 08:50 coL.drewbie wrote:
I didn't say that he was asking for far too much money, theres lots of other players in fnatic/eg/TL/dignitas/mouz that make travel + good salaries and it is completely reasonable for kiwi to ask for as much as / more than their best players make, since he owned them all in ROOT CW's lol. The problem is that the players in fnatic / eg / TL / dignitas / mouz all have a bunch of deliverables in their contracts where they have to do things to promote their team and themselves, which kiwi has no desire / need to do :S


hmm... do all players have to do promotion and outreach to be worth the cash the teams are paying for them? I'm sure you have more expertise to the business side of things and the "worth" that teams get for players, but as far as I see, players like SeleCT and Jinro don't do all sorts of crazy outreach and are some of the most popular players around, which in turn make their teams some of the most popular around. Jinro does some streaming sure, SeleCT maybe does some interviews but for the most part they don't have to be posting on websites to be popular and a good investment to their team.

edit: i reread ur posts and misinterpreted your tone, so yeah.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
OsC
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada542 Posts
June 14 2011 00:40 GMT
#1187
where do you think kiwi/slush/fayth are most likely headed to drewbie?
Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
June 14 2011 00:54 GMT
#1188
On June 14 2011 08:57 coL.drewbie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 08:47 Kammalleri wrote:
I'm surprised with the Kiwikaki asks for a lot of money tho, Root didn't make money for most of its existent and Kiwikaki always stuck with the team.. He said he was getting a lot of offers, but never wanted to make the move because he liked the team..

He might be asking for a lot of money with another team or something, but I doubt he was a money whore with Root. I could be wrong tho.

That said it would have been awesome if he did post on root-gaming and stuff, it's very little to do to show that you're part of the team and communicates with the fans and everything.

I hope coL buying the team won't cause shit between Kiwi-Slush and the rest of the team tho.

Of course not, I am not trying to bm them or cause shit, Kiwi and Slush are 2 of my favorite people that I have met in Starcraft and we are good friends. Kiwi really believe in what we were trying to build with ROOT, but now that it isn't going to happen it was time to part ways, and that is ok.


Makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up.

I can understand that as good as Kiwi is, if he won't do anything to promote the team he's on, he's not as attractive for any team. At that point he really is more of a CW player than anything else and it's tough to gauge how much that's worth.

I'd love to hear Kiwi and Slush's view on the move tho and why they didn't get more involved to promote the team and help the team grow more and faster by doing more than just getting good results in CW and tournaments.

He doesn't seem interested in playing in offline tournies in Europe either which is pretty surprising. He doesn't have to take his SC2 career super seriously. Not how much he practices cause the results are there, but showing up to tournies and and getting involved in the community,
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
June 14 2011 00:57 GMT
#1189
I remember once on catz stream he was asking trivia questions. He asked "What team would I join if I weren't in ROOT?". The correct answer? "I would never join a different team". In a way I'm a little disappointed even though I completely understand the situation.

Best wishes to you guys, the true fans will keep watching regardless of what team you're playing for. <3
xdthreat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States95 Posts
June 14 2011 01:12 GMT
#1190
I was a huge root fan, and I watched the complexity V nights with Joshy alot.. so this acquisition doesn't bother me too much, and I hope to see more of those cool behind the scenes videos and other cool content as a result. I will still camp these guys arrivals at MLG providence to buy them a beer at dave & busters.
Hopelessly addicted to stratgey games since commodore 64
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 14 2011 01:42 GMT
#1191
If we get to see more extra content for the ROOT players with this move to Complexity, that's definitely a positive. You should also have more time to stream...

Also, if we see better results from you guys as a whole as a result of less managerial stress and more practice time, that'll be sick.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
June 14 2011 01:48 GMT
#1192
I could see Kiwi joining Team Dignitas, at one point in wc3, Kiwi and nani were both playing for u5/hoorai/mTw.

what does kiwi need a team for if he has money to pay for himself.

If he's as "rich" as people are saying, who cares about money? that's probably why he enjoyed being in ROOT, he didn't have any obligations except for wear the tag and play in the CWs.

Kiwi should join my team, i will remake United 5 / Hoorai / mTw and Kiwi can be the sponsor!
seupac
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada148 Posts
June 14 2011 02:10 GMT
#1193
i hope kiwi is still at the dood ranch with you guys
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 02:15:53
June 14 2011 02:13 GMT
#1194
On June 14 2011 08:01 coL.drewbie wrote:
Yes, I agree that he is the best NA Protoss and I am the biggest fan of his play and I think he is one of the smartest players out there. The problem is that KiWi already has money from poker and he doesn't need to treat the game as a business, he doesn't need to spend his time getting his name out there and marketing himself or streaming or anything. These things are really important to a big team that is going to spend a lot of money to have him play for them, and they are going to want him to make videos and do blogs and interviews and stream.


I always thought that a team wants in first place results. That their players get always top placements and so ofc a lot of invites to tournaments and ofc to stand there as a Top3 to represent their team and ofc their sponsors. Did this change? Is it now totaly ok to not reach any Top6 but have a stream with a lot of viewers? And i also thought players get their names out with results. Did this also change? Is the entertaining factor now more important then player results what in the end means...mhh skill?

Anyway gz to you getting to coL. As a european i have to say that col is one of the two american teams that had once a big name and dominated a szene. the other was made in brazil, if sb is asking now. So gl and i hope you can reach with col a dominant position like they had once in cs.

jason lake still masterhead of col?
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 14 2011 02:16 GMT
#1195
On June 14 2011 11:10 seupac wrote:
i hope kiwi is still at the dood ranch with you guys


I don't think he's been there since his pre-Dallas practice, he was only there for a short time.
Jaddzilla
Profile Joined April 2006
United States111 Posts
June 14 2011 02:16 GMT
#1196
On June 14 2011 07:50 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 07:45 coL.drewbie wrote:


so wat u r saying is that kiwi + slush r true gamers who love esports and u and catz are just trying to get rich playin games lol?



I'll admit, I was trolled.

hook... line... sinker..
PlasticMilk
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada48 Posts
June 14 2011 02:19 GMT
#1197
Has anyone answered about the situation with the EG Master's cup? ROOT was doing really well in it and it'd be a shame not to see them finish as a whole. It's a fairly large prize as well.
where do dreams go
seupac
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada148 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 02:25:20
June 14 2011 02:24 GMT
#1198
broken macbook double post
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 14 2011 02:26 GMT
#1199
On June 14 2011 10:48 Gattaca.usa wrote:
I could see Kiwi joining Team Dignitas, at one point in wc3, Kiwi and nani were both playing for u5/hoorai/mTw.

what does kiwi need a team for if he has money to pay for himself.

If he's as "rich" as people are saying, who cares about money? that's probably why he enjoyed being in ROOT, he didn't have any obligations except for wear the tag and play in the CWs.

Kiwi should join my team, i will remake United 5 / Hoorai / mTw and Kiwi can be the sponsor!

dude nobody as an individual is interested in just sponsoring a team if there's nothing to gain from it
GypsyBeast
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada630 Posts
June 14 2011 02:27 GMT
#1200
i dont see why Col would go though all this trouble and not pick up the 2 best members (and arguably the only 2 good enough to do well in any tournies) of the team there must be some good offers in other teams in the mix for them. this all seems like too silly to come about from anything other then huge financial troubles on roots end.
Ya? Well ill BM you harder! Another win in 10 seconds flat! -Rainbow Dash playing SC2.
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