On June 14 2011 04:14 HackBenjamin wrote: Disagree completely with the OP.
Tastosis is by far my favorite casting duo. The "unprofessionalism" (and I hesitate to use that term) is a huge part of their charm. Artosis clearly serves his role as the analyzer, and Tasteless keeps it fresh. He has a good enough understanding of the game to do what he needs to do.
As far as trying to get them to conform to what we would consider broadcasting standards: don't. I'd rather watch two friends sit around and make jokes while casting a game than watch two robots tell me what I can already discern, followed by an impassioned analysis.
Why is it always one or the other? Is it that impossible to be a bit more professional yet still keep it fun and relaxed? So tired of the "don't change anything cause then Tastosis will become a casting robot devoid of emotion". That's not what anyone wants and using that argument is meaningless.
Why is it always one or the other? Is it that impossible to be a bit more professional yet still keep it fun and relaxed? So tired of the "don't change anything cause then Tastosis will become a casting robot devoid of emotion". That's not what anyone wants and using that argument is meaningless.
How about the "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" argument? I'm not trying to imply that becoming more professional will rob them of emotion. I'm just saying that the current formula works just fine, and if you start messing with it, you run the risk of ruining something that works well the way it is. If MLG Columbus had replaced Day[9] and djWHEAT with Moletrap and Doa, which stream would you be more inclined to watch? Moletrap and Doa were a decent casting duo, very professional etc., but the way that Tastosis presents their casts certainly seems a lot more entertaining as is.
Why is it always one or the other? Is it that impossible to be a bit more professional yet still keep it fun and relaxed? So tired of the "don't change anything cause then Tastosis will become a casting robot devoid of emotion". That's not what anyone wants and using that argument is meaningless.
How about the "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" argument? I'm not trying to imply that becoming more professional will rob them of emotion. I'm just saying that the current formula works just fine, and if you start messing with it, you run the risk of ruining something that works well the way it is. If MLG Columbus had replaced Day[9] and djWHEAT with Moletrap and Doa, which stream would you be more inclined to watch? Moletrap and Doa were a decent casting duo, very professional etc., but the way that Tastosis presents their casts certainly seems a lot more entertaining as is.
There's a difference between wanting them to change their core casting style and wanting small improvements. I really don't get why people are so extremely defensive about stuff like this. I love their casts but there's room for improvement and the casts could be even better with some constructive feedback. Not saying this thread is the right way to approach the whole thing though.
On June 14 2011 04:39 karpo wrote: There's a difference between wanting them to change their core casting style and wanting small improvements. I really don't get why people are so extremely defensive about stuff like this. I love their casts but there's room for improvement and the casts could be even better with some constructive feedback. Not saying this thread is the right way to approach the whole thing though.
Why is it always one or the other? Is it that impossible to be a bit more professional yet still keep it fun and relaxed? So tired of the "don't change anything cause then Tastosis will become a casting robot devoid of emotion". That's not what anyone wants and using that argument is meaningless.
How about the "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" argument? I'm not trying to imply that becoming more professional will rob them of emotion. I'm just saying that the current formula works just fine, and if you start messing with it, you run the risk of ruining something that works well the way it is. If MLG Columbus had replaced Day[9] and djWHEAT with Moletrap and Doa, which stream would you be more inclined to watch? Moletrap and Doa were a decent casting duo, very professional etc., but the way that Tastosis presents their casts certainly seems a lot more entertaining as is.
There's a difference between wanting them to change their core casting style and wanting small improvements. I really don't get why people are so extremely defensive about stuff like this. I love their casts but there's room for improvement and the casts could be even better with some constructive feedback. Not saying this thread is the right way to approach the whole thing though.
Because they don't think the "improvements" suggested are really improvements? Or that they aren't necessary, he's voicing his criticism, people are disagreeing with his criticism, pretty standard stuff.
I have actually noticed nothing wrong in regards to interruptions, Tasteless is the color commentator so the game knowledge this isn't an issue to me, repetition is something every single caster suffers from, regardless of how good Tasteless becomes if he's casting as many hours as he is, there would be repetition. As for the "sex" thing, I've already touched on it, I wouldn't like them to censor themselves from simple stuff like this.
Why is it always one or the other? Is it that impossible to be a bit more professional yet still keep it fun and relaxed? So tired of the "don't change anything cause then Tastosis will become a casting robot devoid of emotion". That's not what anyone wants and using that argument is meaningless.
How about the "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" argument? I'm not trying to imply that becoming more professional will rob them of emotion. I'm just saying that the current formula works just fine, and if you start messing with it, you run the risk of ruining something that works well the way it is. If MLG Columbus had replaced Day[9] and djWHEAT with Moletrap and Doa, which stream would you be more inclined to watch? Moletrap and Doa were a decent casting duo, very professional etc., but the way that Tastosis presents their casts certainly seems a lot more entertaining as is.
There's a difference between wanting them to change their core casting style and wanting small improvements. I really don't get why people are so extremely defensive about stuff like this. I love their casts but there's room for improvement and the casts could be even better with some constructive feedback. Not saying this thread is the right way to approach the whole thing though.
Because on stream they are being themselves, which almost everyone finds great.
Once you start asking for "little improvements" that are really not that important, the casting starts to become a little more forced and less natural, and the quality suffers for it.
Some casters do need to work on such improvements, because their casting isn't really sufficient otherwise, but this is not the case with either of these two.
Worst thing about Tasteless is him plugging his twitter and personal bizz all the time on GSL. Wouldn't mind him doing it once at the end of the day of casting, but he's doing it pretty much after every single game, sometimes even more often and since he's on GOMTV's time and payroll, he's payed to focus on GSL and GSL's sponsors during the air time. Can't really imagine a commentator to plug in his facebook page during champions league finals.
And there's those 'uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm' 'eeeeeeeeeee' and pauses like that. There's going into some completely offtopic discussions with Artosis. It's sometimes ok, especially at the beginning of the game. But there's an attack comming and Tasteless is talking about some random crap - that's just bad casting.
At MLG Tasteless was "UBER" awkward. He asked for cheers from the crowd but like.... It was just awkward 10 times out of 10.
The point where artosis get's interupted is just too accurate. I noticed this the very first time i watched Tastosis. Too be frank I don't watch the GSL much because sometimes the conversation get's totally terrible.
They do have good points however overall Tastless has many many many socially awkward moments to his name.
About the sex thing, Lol @ Koreans. We all know you're mannerism is above average. But us Westerners have used sex as a joke for almost a full century! Not that i'm defending it, I for one don't like talking about sex unless i'm with you know. A sexual Partner.
On June 14 2011 04:50 HornyHerring wrote: Worst thing about Tasteless is him plugging his twitter and personal bizz all the time on GSL. Wouldn't mind him doing it once at the end of the day of casting, but he's doing it pretty much after every single game, sometimes even more often and since he's on GOMTV's time and payroll, he's payed to focus on GSL and GSL's sponsors during the air time. Can't really imagine a commentator to plug in his facebook page during champions league finals.
And there's those 'uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm' 'eeeeeeeeeee' and pauses like that. There's going into some completely offtopic discussions with Artosis. It's sometimes ok, especially at the beginning of the game. But there's an attack comming and Tasteless is talking about some random crap - that's just bad casting.
On June 12 2011 15:10 Mordiford wrote: I disagree with all of the above.
I wouldn't recommend changing any of the thing mentioned above, he's doing a great job and I've never noticed him cut off Artosis in any manner that's noticeable and detracts from the cast.
Great job Tasteless, keep up the good work. Don't change a thing.
I disagree almost 100%, there's some merit to keeping material acceptable for all types of viewers, but I personally enjoy it when tasteless swears.
It is foolish to view any of your OPINIONS as just "Throwing out these facts"
Stating that what you said are facts is just prideful. As I'm sure you can tell from a majority of this thread, they are not facts, but opinions. Opinions that in fact, are not held by most of the TL community.
I hate to be rude PC_room_freak, but I completely disagree with the sex thing. Now, I'm not sure where you are coming from on this one? Are you in Korea? Because I understand Korean culture is different and can be more reserved. But coming from a North American, this criticism of him saying the word sex is rather odd.
If you aren't living in Korea, I think you probably need to get laid. And that's no joke or burn. I just mean if you ARE from NA, then you probably haven't had sex that many times. E-Sports is targeting the young male audience from 16-30, and for the majority of us sex isn't a really big topic. Anyone who has gone to University & lived in residence, or lived with a girlfriend, really doesn't get bothered by talk of sex.
If you do happen to be a father concerned about younger people hearing sex talk... why are you even letting them get into E-Sports? : )
Now, I completely agree with your diction comment in terms of repetitiveness -- there's nothing wrong with colloquial language, but repeating the same colloquial terms over and over and over is still bad. I'd like to see him vary his commenting between colloquial terms and some higher level language.
Artosis: Qualified for GSL Season 1, doing house tours on his youtube channel etc, casted the TSL etc.
What has Tasteless done other than the GSL? Voice acting? I doubt he even plays the game atm.
Tasteless has def. put a lot less effort towardst SC2 as he had towards BW, both passion and knowledge wise. Not saying that he sucks, but his commentaries were WAAAAAAAAAY better during BW.
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