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eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 02:26:53
June 09 2011 02:23 GMT
#41
On June 09 2011 11:21 AndAgain wrote:
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On June 09 2011 11:17 eloist wrote:
On June 09 2011 10:42 khanofmongols wrote:
how is zerg best against terran on Backwater? Small sample? I thought tanks were reallllllly good on that map, same with crossfire.

Because any map that tanks are good on, mutas are even better on.


Tanks are generally good on small, tight maps. It's the opposite for mutas.

That is too shallow of an analysis. What makes mutas incredibly good on maps like crossfire is that they can hover over ledges and rifts where marines can't catch them. These maps also tend to have a much shorter air distance between main/natural/third than ground distance so mutas can just go back and forth.

Why do you think an open map is good for mutas when their movement is not constraint by terrain but that of units that counter them is?

For tanks, you need to have enough space for marines to run around between them. They are pretty safe from banelings/lings regardless of the Terrain if you space them out well.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
June 09 2011 02:58 GMT
#42
On June 09 2011 10:31 PhiliBiRD wrote:
according to your stats.

shattered temple is the worst ZvT map? that makes me doubt your statistics quite a bit

how in the world could zerg have an average of 28% win vs T on that map that is considered by most to be a Zerg map.


The stats are straight from TLPD. So unless TLPD is off they are legit .
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dimfish
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States663 Posts
June 09 2011 03:48 GMT
#43
Diamond, this is excellent! Please keep updating like you said. All of us mapazoids at least will be carefully looking at the outliers when we design maps.

Do you think it will be viable to keep this data separated by patch from now going forward? I've never tried to pull numbers from TLPD so I don't know what's there.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
June 13 2011 21:09 GMT
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