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onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
June 01 2011 02:14 GMT
#1241
A reminder to all Code A qualifiers will conflict with Dreamhack so if you are going to qualify you won't be able to attend Dreamhack.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
June 01 2011 02:19 GMT
#1242
On June 01 2011 09:33 elitesniper420 wrote:
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On June 01 2011 09:02 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On June 01 2011 08:33 MechKing wrote:
On June 01 2011 08:30 RTudoRR wrote:
I see Sheth and Qxc managing to hold they're own but gl to the rest ^^

Moonan, OpTiKzErO, Filthy and tgun are quite good too, they can hold their own


While I applaud FXO going to Korea, i do think there's no one on the roster can hold their own in Korea, including sheth, moonan, qxc, and moonglade. Look at their recent tournament or NASL results, QXC 0-7 in NASL, Sheth is 5-2 but is in the weakest Division and hasn't have any big Lan success so far, glade has trouble qualifying code A, and the list goes on. They really need to improve fast from now on in order to stay in semi-competitive in Korea, otherwise this may look stinky for their first GSTL.


This is exactly what I mean. I've seen these players and they really can't compare to Koreans. For example recently I saw optikzero who is apparently one of the stronger players on the FXO line-up and he relies on strategies such as 2 base Blink Stalker all-in

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On June 01 2011 09:07 rotegirte wrote:
On June 01 2011 06:08 elitesniper420 wrote:
This is a really, really bad choice. FXO has one of the weakest foreign line-ups yet they are the first foreign team to be in the GSTL. They could be the pioneers of much larger involvement in korean esports or they could just completely destroy the foreign scene for the rest of us as we'll be seen as a joke.

Seriously who do you have apart from Sheth and Moonan?


Your precious foreign scene is already not making a joke out of itself by avoiding to go to KR. so, yeah..



This is the correct thing to do. It's better to prepare and practice before making such a large investment into going into Korea completely unprepared. We see stronger teams such as Dignitas not going to Korea, why would a weaker one go?

Or it will mean you get left further behind. No one knows for sure, no one can even make an educated guess but this is the decision we've made.

On June 01 2011 09:36 FindMeInKenya wrote:
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On June 01 2011 09:26 FXOpen wrote:
Its all a matter of opinion and is not relevant to the future. Like QXC..... He has won 2 tournaments recently, one beating select in the final. Does that make him better than select? I wouldn't say either is better than the other as the skill level is approximately the same, all have their days.

NASL for QXC was 1) bad time of day to play and 2) he was overseas for the most part of it. Yet it seems everyone is judging him from it.

As I said, who is the best and greatest is a matter of taste and opinion. And it has little relevance to whether or not a player (in this skill base) will do well.


On the matter of Qxc, I personally believe that small tournaments results and small pocket sample are poor indication of a player's skill and current state. While something like NASL, weeks of stable and steady competition (much larger sample size) with big prize pool at the end, or a big tournament winning shows more of their current state.

Again people act like there's a clear 'rule' for this kind of thing. The NASL is an event where you have a lot of preparation time before a known opponent. Smaller tournaments are based on your adaptability and on-the-spot decision making with regards to build, etc. just as much as your knowledge of your opponent. I feel the second scenario is more applicable to the GSTL unless you're being groomed as a sniper, as any player in a roster of 10+ players could pop out and you can't have prepared for them all so your adaptability and build choices are going to reflect those in a smaller tournament rather than something like NASL or GSL.
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FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 02:54:38
June 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#1243
On June 01 2011 11:19 deL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 09:33 elitesniper420 wrote:
On June 01 2011 09:02 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On June 01 2011 08:33 MechKing wrote:
On June 01 2011 08:30 RTudoRR wrote:
I see Sheth and Qxc managing to hold they're own but gl to the rest ^^

Moonan, OpTiKzErO, Filthy and tgun are quite good too, they can hold their own


While I applaud FXO going to Korea, i do think there's no one on the roster can hold their own in Korea, including sheth, moonan, qxc, and moonglade. Look at their recent tournament or NASL results, QXC 0-7 in NASL, Sheth is 5-2 but is in the weakest Division and hasn't have any big Lan success so far, glade has trouble qualifying code A, and the list goes on. They really need to improve fast from now on in order to stay in semi-competitive in Korea, otherwise this may look stinky for their first GSTL.


This is exactly what I mean. I've seen these players and they really can't compare to Koreans. For example recently I saw optikzero who is apparently one of the stronger players on the FXO line-up and he relies on strategies such as 2 base Blink Stalker all-in

On June 01 2011 09:07 rotegirte wrote:
On June 01 2011 06:08 elitesniper420 wrote:
This is a really, really bad choice. FXO has one of the weakest foreign line-ups yet they are the first foreign team to be in the GSTL. They could be the pioneers of much larger involvement in korean esports or they could just completely destroy the foreign scene for the rest of us as we'll be seen as a joke.

Seriously who do you have apart from Sheth and Moonan?


Your precious foreign scene is already not making a joke out of itself by avoiding to go to KR. so, yeah..



This is the correct thing to do. It's better to prepare and practice before making such a large investment into going into Korea completely unprepared. We see stronger teams such as Dignitas not going to Korea, why would a weaker one go?

Or it will mean you get left further behind. No one knows for sure, no one can even make an educated guess but this is the decision we've made.

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 09:36 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On June 01 2011 09:26 FXOpen wrote:
Its all a matter of opinion and is not relevant to the future. Like QXC..... He has won 2 tournaments recently, one beating select in the final. Does that make him better than select? I wouldn't say either is better than the other as the skill level is approximately the same, all have their days.

NASL for QXC was 1) bad time of day to play and 2) he was overseas for the most part of it. Yet it seems everyone is judging him from it.

As I said, who is the best and greatest is a matter of taste and opinion. And it has little relevance to whether or not a player (in this skill base) will do well.


On the matter of Qxc, I personally believe that small tournaments results and small pocket sample are poor indication of a player's skill and current state. While something like NASL, weeks of stable and steady competition (much larger sample size) with big prize pool at the end, or a big tournament winning shows more of their current state.

Again people act like there's a clear 'rule' for this kind of thing. The NASL is an event where you have a lot of preparation time before a known opponent. Smaller tournaments are based on your adaptability and on-the-spot decision making with regards to build, etc. just as much as your knowledge of your opponent. I feel the second scenario is more applicable to the GSTL unless you're being groomed as a sniper, as any player in a roster of 10+ players could pop out and you can't have prepared for them all so your adaptability and build choices are going to reflect those in a smaller tournament rather than something like NASL or GSL.


While I agree with most of your points, I also would like to add that in most cases the success in a smaller tournaments really depends on a player's raw mechanics, knowledge of the game, and perhaps most importantly, the state and shape of the player.

That being said, a bigger tournament like NASL or TSL requires player not only have all the above traits, it also requires amble preparations toward maps, opponents, builds, and mind games. Setting like that meant to show all aspects of the players and is a better indication of where they're at in the scene. This is why going 0-7 in NASL doesn't bode well with QXC. If you can't do decently well with a setting like NASL, how can you expect decent things from a setting like GSTL, where most players are mechanically sounds already?
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 02:54:24
June 01 2011 02:53 GMT
#1244
Oops, double post
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
June 01 2011 03:02 GMT
#1245
I don't understand why people have to keep saying "FXO are going to get hammered." Of course they will. Anybody who thinks they won't get torn apart is deluding themselves.

But that's not what's important. The important thing is that they're actually going to Korea, they're willing to try and hold their own against the Koreans because they want to improve. I have a great respect for that, much more so than the players too scared to go to Korea because the money's not as good.

This is also why I like Jinro so much. He's losing and doing badly, but you know what? He's learning Korean, he's staying in the country and he's going to keep getting better. He's not leaving the country to beat lesser competition for better money, he's staying in Korea and he's sticking it out.

So, props to FXO. I wish them the best of luck, and if they have the right mindset, they can improve ridiculously. But they'll need to work hard. If they can do that, if they can develop a strong practice schedule and if they don't chicken out of Korea after their first few embarassing losses ... people will start fearing the FXO boys.
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LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
June 01 2011 03:06 GMT
#1246
Why does it matter whether they win or lose? At least they're willing to invest the time and resources to go over there to compete. Ultimately it's their dime and what they decide to do with it is their business.
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
June 01 2011 03:37 GMT
#1247
It matters because we care. We love to see our foreign players do well in Korea, and whenever they lose it's like a dagger stabbing in our hearts.

It matters because we're fans, Capiche?
DexVitality
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Hong Kong234 Posts
June 01 2011 05:23 GMT
#1248
this is absolutely great news but I share the same opinions with some others who have showed their concern for how well they might perform at the GSTL. FXO is a good team with good players but I am really unsure how well they will do... I hope the best for them and I hope they can show some good games.

Hopefully in the future we see Dignitas, mouz, fnatic go and compete also. then it will truly be the "Global" Star Team League.
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 06:15:52
June 01 2011 06:13 GMT
#1249
On June 01 2011 12:37 FindMeInKenya wrote:
and whenever they lose it's like a dagger stabbing in our hearts.


You take this "Us vs Koreans" thing way too seriously. Are you at least quite familiar with most of the FXO players who will be going to Korea? I certainly hope so, or I don't understand why you would feel a dagger through your heart when someone you barely know loses a game of starcraft.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
June 01 2011 06:38 GMT
#1250
On June 01 2011 01:16 Liquid`HuK wrote:
bring deodorant and big towels


socks too.
Commentator
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
June 01 2011 06:41 GMT
#1251
On June 01 2011 15:38 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 01:16 Liquid`HuK wrote:
bring deodorant and big towels


socks too.


Nah, socks are everywhere.
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backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
June 01 2011 06:45 GMT
#1252
On June 01 2011 15:41 Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 15:38 GTR wrote:
On June 01 2011 01:16 Liquid`HuK wrote:
bring deodorant and big towels


socks too.


Nah, socks are everywhere.


but are they good quality socks?? I find asian socks breaky easily. ( i am asian )

Bring toothpaste as well. The good minty ones.
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
June 01 2011 06:47 GMT
#1253
On June 01 2011 01:16 Liquid`HuK wrote:
bring deodorant and big towels


and toothpaste!
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
June 01 2011 06:47 GMT
#1254
qxc to Code A please! ^^
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
June 01 2011 06:49 GMT
#1255
On June 01 2011 15:41 Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 15:38 GTR wrote:
On June 01 2011 01:16 Liquid`HuK wrote:
bring deodorant and big towels


socks too.


Nah, socks are everywhere.


maybe i should re-iterate.

socks don't belong to anyone in korea.
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kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
June 01 2011 13:50 GMT
#1256
With all the money they got to send out their players to the GSTL (which I think isn't that bad), why don't they recruit 1-2 more very good players? I mean; they have Sheth, who is very good, qxc is decent but atm. he's slacking a bit and MoOnan is pretty good as well, but the others aren't even Top-NA-players and without Moonglade, another very good player probably won't even play in the GSTL!

If they could recruit 1-2 Star-players, I could definitely see them performing well (which is NOT LAST for GSTL-standards! ^^'), but with their current line-up, they will get totally stomped, if Sheth doesn't pull the team heavily...
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whaty0uwant
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand346 Posts
June 01 2011 14:32 GMT
#1257
I'm hoping Filthy makes a good showing.. this guy got some skills. Other than that, I'm expecting some huge play from Sheth :D
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
June 01 2011 15:21 GMT
#1258
Where would these 1-2 star players come from? I can't think of any current star players that are available, they all appear to be with teams. Willing to bet the players that are actual stars are under contract as well.
Fishstiks
Profile Joined April 2011
United States17 Posts
June 01 2011 15:30 GMT
#1259
Although sheth is a very talented player and has been doing very well lately, keep in mind he is playing against north americans for the most part. The scene in korea is completely different and just because sheth is considered a talented player here doesn't mean he will be performing well in korea.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 01 2011 15:35 GMT
#1260
haters haters haters.
These players are going to be training in korea too! Maybe they will be in more than one season and look at the difference that period of time made in jinro!
They are the ones taking the leap! how can you even insinuate that dignitas should go. they can go! but they aren't because they don't have the commitment to the korean scene that FXO is demonstrating.
Wasn't an FXO fan but now! wow im so proud of them and their manager this is great great great news.
Can't wait to watch win or loose.
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