EPTSeriously who do you have apart from Sheth and Moonan?
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elitesniper420
Canada135 Posts
Seriously who do you have apart from Sheth and Moonan? | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:08 elitesniper420 wrote: This is a really, really bad choice. FXO has one of the weakest foreign line-ups yet they are the first foreign team to be in the GSTL. They could be the pioneers of much larger involvement in korean esports or they could just completely destroy the foreign scene for the rest of us as we'll be seen as a joke. Seriously who do you have apart from Sheth and Moonan? Are you just trolling or do you actual believe the drivel that your spewing? | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
When they are kissing the trophy and flinging FXOBoss in the air you will all be red in the face! | ||
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RTudoRR
Romania216 Posts
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:30 RTudoRR wrote: I see Sheth and Qxc managing to hold they're own but gl to the rest ^^ Moonan, OpTiKzErO, Filthy and tgun are quite good too, they can hold their own  | ||
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FindMeInKenya
United States797 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:33 MechKing wrote: Moonan, OpTiKzErO, Filthy and tgun are quite good too, they can hold their own While I applaud FXO going to Korea, i do think there's no one on the roster can hold their own in Korea, including sheth, moonan, qxc, and moonglade. Look at their recent tournament or NASL results, QXC 0-7 in NASL, Sheth is 5-2 but is in the weakest Division and hasn't have any big Lan success so far, glade has trouble qualifying code A, and the list goes on. They really need to improve fast from now on in order to stay in semi-competitive in Korea, otherwise this may look stinky for their first GSTL. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:02 FindMeInKenya wrote: While I applaud FXO going to Korea, i do think there's no one on the roster can hold their own in Korea, including sheth, moonan, qxc, and moonglade. Look at their recent tournament or NASL results, QXC 0-7 in NASL, Sheth is 5-2 but is in the weakest Division and hasn't have any big Lan success so far, glade has trouble qualifying code A, and the list goes on. They really need to improve fast from now on in order to stay in semi-competitive in Korea, otherwise this may look stinky for their first GSTL. List Sheths NASL group here, and then list any group harder than his. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:08 elitesniper420 wrote: This is a really, really bad choice. FXO has one of the weakest foreign line-ups yet they are the first foreign team to be in the GSTL. They could be the pioneers of much larger involvement in korean esports or they could just completely destroy the foreign scene for the rest of us as we'll be seen as a joke. Seriously who do you have apart from Sheth and Moonan? Your precious foreign scene is already not making a joke out of itself by avoiding to go to KR. so, yeah.. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:00 Numy wrote: I dunno man, you know shit is going to get real if he needs something to cover the smell AND clean up the mess  I also hear that it's hard to buy deodorant and large towels in Korea. Gonna be a hygiene disaster if those items are not acquired. | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:05 FXOpen wrote: List Sheths NASL group here, and then list any group harder than his. Think it was widely regarded that Group A of NASL was the weakest because of Grubby, Artosis, Moon. http://nasl.tv/Standings Every other group does look a lot harder (don't agree with the guy you were quoting), but yea don't think you are correct in saying Sheth has the hardest NASL group. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
The groups are pretty balanced after going through it again... Maybe one group that looks difficult compared to the rest. | ||
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FindMeInKenya
United States797 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:05 FXOpen wrote: List Sheths NASL group here, and then list any group harder than his. Oh com'on, dude, be real. Div 1 has some great players, sure, but compare them to Div 2, 3, 4, 5, it's much easier. They have 2 guaranteed walkover in Artosis and Grubby, and their Korean invites are Rainbow and Moon. I'm not saying Rainbow and moon are bad, but compare them to July from Div 2, Nada, Squirtle from Div 3, Ace and MC from div 4, and Zenio and boxer from Div 5, it's just not as strong in comparison. Of course you can argue the foreigner lineup is stronger with Kiwikaki, Morrow, Fenix and Sheth, but you can say the same about all other division as well. Take Div 5 for example, they have Sen (2-1 Idra in Nasl), Idra (who 3-0 Sheth in a recent showmatch), Socke, Mana, Tyler, Drewbie, they are at least comparable if not a scarier line up in comparison to Div 1. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
NASL for QXC was 1) bad time of day to play and 2) he was overseas for the most part of it. Yet it seems everyone is judging him from it. As I said, who is the best and greatest is a matter of taste and opinion. And it has little relevance to whether or not a player (in this skill base) will do well. | ||
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elitesniper420
Canada135 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:02 FindMeInKenya wrote: While I applaud FXO going to Korea, i do think there's no one on the roster can hold their own in Korea, including sheth, moonan, qxc, and moonglade. Look at their recent tournament or NASL results, QXC 0-7 in NASL, Sheth is 5-2 but is in the weakest Division and hasn't have any big Lan success so far, glade has trouble qualifying code A, and the list goes on. They really need to improve fast from now on in order to stay in semi-competitive in Korea, otherwise this may look stinky for their first GSTL. This is exactly what I mean. I've seen these players and they really can't compare to Koreans. For example recently I saw optikzero who is apparently one of the stronger players on the FXO line-up and he relies on strategies such as 2 base Blink Stalker all-in On June 01 2011 09:07 rotegirte wrote: Your precious foreign scene is already not making a joke out of itself by avoiding to go to KR. so, yeah.. This is the correct thing to do. It's better to prepare and practice before making such a large investment into going into Korea completely unprepared. We see stronger teams such as Dignitas not going to Korea, why would a weaker one go? | ||
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FindMeInKenya
United States797 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:26 FXOpen wrote: Its all a matter of opinion and is not relevant to the future. Like QXC..... He has won 2 tournaments recently, one beating select in the final. Does that make him better than select? I wouldn't say either is better than the other as the skill level is approximately the same, all have their days. NASL for QXC was 1) bad time of day to play and 2) he was overseas for the most part of it. Yet it seems everyone is judging him from it. As I said, who is the best and greatest is a matter of taste and opinion. And it has little relevance to whether or not a player (in this skill base) will do well. I agree with that one's current state does not necessarily correlate with how their going to do in the future. This is why in my original post I said they needed to improve fast in order to stay competitive in Korea. On the matter of Qxc, I personally believe that small tournaments results and small pocket sample are poor indication of a player's skill and current state. While something like NASL, weeks of stable and steady competition (much larger sample size) with big prize pool at the end, or a big tournament winning shows more of their current state. As for QXC's NASL showing, while I understand that it is a bad time of day to play and he was overseas, same can be said to bunch of other players in NASL who's in Europe or even worse in Asia. And going 0-7 just shows his current state being very poor and is inexcusable. | ||
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fant0m
964 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:16 Liquid`HuK wrote: bring deodorant and big towels "Any man who can hitch the length and breadth of south korea, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with." | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:33 elitesniper420 wrote: *snip* This is the correct thing to do. It's better to prepare and practice before making such a large investment into going into Korea completely unprepared. We see stronger teams such as Dignitas not going to Korea, why would a weaker one go? You have to be a truly bloody idiot if you think the best thing to do to prepare for the best competition is to avoid them. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:33 elitesniper420 wrote: This is exactly what I mean. I've seen these players and they really can't compare to Koreans. For example recently I saw optikzero who is apparently one of the stronger players on the FXO line-up and he relies on strategies such as 2 base Blink Stalker all-in This is the correct thing to do. It's better to prepare and practice before making such a large investment into going into Korea completely unprepared. We see stronger teams such as Dignitas not going to Korea, why would a weaker one go? Going to Korea and training over there is potentially the fastest way to improve. FXO is willing to take a risk while Dignitas is not. It's not like GSL has decided to pay every cost for one foreign team and picked FXO. FXO is paying their own players to do this. Was Jinro someone considered to be able to compete with the GSL level Koreans when he first moved to Korea? Of course, there isn't a guarantee that you will improve, but just how "prepared" do you have to be before you can move to Korea? FXO not succeeding will not "completely destroy the foreign scene". They are just another team like SlayerS and IM. They aren't a "Foreigner All-Star Team Representing the Best of All Foreigners". It's about time people stop thinking along the lines of "Us vs. those damn Koreans". | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
FXO can do this because they had the "cash on hand" to commit to this team league. This ties into Xeris's very proper complaint about GOM: you need time to set things up. The flip side to "need time" is having a lot of available cash. While I have 0 inside information, from just what Boss has posted, you can estimate he has dropped at least 10k USD already and it can pretty much be assumed the total cost is easily going to go over 30k USD before the 2 months is up. And that's with GOM providing housing. No one short of now defunct LG probably could have just up and done this. So, while I'd love to see a 14+ team league with multiple non-Korean teams, given the time constraints & opportunity, FXO took it and the rest didn't. Seems like some are projecting that into FXO sucking without realizing the way these team leagues work. We need to be supporting FXO in the ways we can so they can succeed, which would mean we get more SC2 and there's better content for everyone. Another thing people haven't pointed out, but FXO is also the only team really adopting a modified Korean approach to the team structure. They've got a house going up in Malaysia already, so they'll just be moving from Korea to Malaysia at the end of the tour. That should make for continued improvements as well. So, Go FXO! | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On June 01 2011 09:33 elitesniper420 wrote: This is the correct thing to do. It's better to prepare and practice before making such a large investment into going into Korea completely unprepared. We see stronger teams such as Dignitas not going to Korea, why would a weaker one go? Why is there a 'right' to go to Korea? It's not as if a higher power ordained that only 1 foreign team may go, and FXO cheated their way to that spot. No one is stopping Dignitas from heading to Korea. As for practicing and preparing before going, that's simply the wrong mindset. Instead of being afraid of losing to the Koreans... why not just go and improve? I have a feeling the people who share your opinion are either very young or have not lived on your own very long. This is not meant to be an insult, but the fact is you will never be successful without taking risks. I know a lot of people who moved to new cities with almost no money in the bank and no guaranteed source of income. That's a bigger leap than ANYTHING that's asked for foreign players, yet people do it in their day to day lives. As for ruining the image of the foreign scene as a whole, that's just dumb. Whether the foreign scene is ahead, equal or behind Korea should not be a factor in the decision to head to Korea. If the foreign scene is actually ahead of Korea, it will be shown by CONSISTENT tournament results in global tournaments and leagues, NOT by the performance of ONE team in the GSTL. | ||
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