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Dont-Panic
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany567 Posts
May 27 2011 17:27 GMT
#61
I think it would be better if people would play more but the fear of the ladder is not something unusual. In other kinds of sports where you play 1v1 against another guy competitively there is some kind of fear involved.
The advice which really helped me was "Just play ladder to improve, it doesn't matter if you win or lose if you can learn from your mistakes and be better the next game."
boymature
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 17:28:05
May 27 2011 17:27 GMT
#62
In my opinion the ladder fear mostly comes from the fact that you always face stronger opponents if you do it good. therefore its harder to notice progress in any other way than knowing that your macro/micro is better, or ofcourse advancing to a better league.

So you never get the feeling that you are the fuckin man and owning 90% even though you are in diamond and technically ranked in the top 10 percent(or whatever percentage is diamond)

dont get me wrong. the ladder is very good since it guarantees big progress as long as you play it. its just not a confidence booster in the same way as meeting total randoms.
Muffinman53
Profile Joined November 2010
571 Posts
May 27 2011 17:28 GMT
#63
This is part of the reason I stopped playing SC2. I still watch it and follow it intently, but I no longer play ladder games. A combination of ladder fear and inability to deal with my losses was too much for me to handle. Losing streaks would put me in terrible moods for the night.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
May 27 2011 17:30 GMT
#64
Play through the pain.

You stop worrying about dumb cheese losses and other ladder fears once you do it, have it happen and just re-queue for the next game.

How could you be afraid of the ladder? It's there to show you how good you are. Are you scared of the truth?
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
May 27 2011 17:31 GMT
#65
how can people be afraid they already removed ur losses being seen in any league below masters O_O i think it is about time people grow up and just play if they want to play. If you are too afraid to play cause u may get a loss then thats pretty insecure imo because if u actually care what other people (that are over the internet behind a computer) think of ur record then ya need to get outside lol ive played thousands of games and have lost thousands and won thousands and the only thing that matters is that i get better and try new things to improve all the time
JD, need I say more? :D
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
May 27 2011 17:31 GMT
#66
This is probably why blizzard removed losses in lower leagues. I don't know what more people with 'ladder fear' could want...
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
DevanT
Profile Joined November 2010
United States71 Posts
May 27 2011 17:36 GMT
#67
Ladder fear is generally removed after X number of games played in Y amount of time. It's different for each player, but if you play say...5 games a day 5 days a week, you will find that on the 3rd day or so, that you are looking forward to coming home and playing. Now, 5 games a day is a little over an hour at an average length of 20 minutes per match, some shorter some longer, which is easily manageable for even full time workers like myself.

Also: Throwing in some cheese/fun builds helps a ton. If you spend two hours doing full out macro games, your mind will be exploded by the effort. Mothership or nuke rush. 6 rax. It doesn't matter. By making the game fun, and by playing more. Ladder Anxiety is effectively removed. The more games you play, the more chance that battle.net has to put you into the correct rank. Once you're at the correct rank, you will usually win more than you lose and as you get better (which you will if you keep playing), you will only move in an upwards direction.
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
May 27 2011 17:38 GMT
#68
The unranked ladder point is moot with the ranked ladder not showing losses. The ladder fear resides in that it is a very exhausting game for beginners and losing after making such an effort fucks up your brain chemistry, causing all sorts of bad feelings.
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
videogames
Profile Joined May 2011
United States103 Posts
May 27 2011 17:38 GMT
#69
I don't care for my ladder points or rank but I still feel extremely anxious when about to press that "Find Match" button.
Why?
I'm afraid losing. I'm afraid of playing bad.
>
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
May 27 2011 17:38 GMT
#70
well, a little bit. i think mostly because we dont have a 1v1 practice search system. something many many players have been wanting for a long time.

i know i'd use the hell out of it.
Michaels
Profile Joined August 2010
419 Posts
May 27 2011 17:42 GMT
#71
Dustin Bowder said in interview that they are thinking about "non-ranked ladder". So maybe they will add it in future. (cant find that interview)
Mwentworth56
Profile Joined January 2011
146 Posts
May 27 2011 17:45 GMT
#72
It's people own fault if they are THAT scared of losing, I feel no pressure when I hit the Ladder button and have no regrets when I lose I simply hit the buttom right away again to see if I can win a game
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
May 27 2011 17:47 GMT
#73
99% of people on this board will never be pro gamers. So who are you "protecting" your record for? Ladder fear is so strange to me, I simply don't understand the thought process.

Press "Find Match" and improve.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 27 2011 18:03 GMT
#74
On May 28 2011 02:36 DevanT wrote:
Ladder fear is generally removed after X number of games played in Y amount of time. It's different for each player, but if you play say...5 games a day 5 days a week, you will find that on the 3rd day or so, that you are looking forward to coming home and playing. Now, 5 games a day is a little over an hour at an average length of 20 minutes per match, some shorter some longer, which is easily manageable for even full time workers like myself.

Also: Throwing in some cheese/fun builds helps a ton. If you spend two hours doing full out macro games, your mind will be exploded by the effort. Mothership or nuke rush. 6 rax. It doesn't matter. By making the game fun, and by playing more. Ladder Anxiety is effectively removed. The more games you play, the more chance that battle.net has to put you into the correct rank. Once you're at the correct rank, you will usually win more than you lose and as you get better (which you will if you keep playing), you will only move in an upwards direction.

I totally relate with you. Anyone can make time to play a few ladder games a week and still be able to have fun, you just have to make it fun yourself, like you said, doing funny rushes and strategies that will lift your mood
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
EnOmy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia183 Posts
May 27 2011 18:06 GMT
#75
I honestly, sincerely do not begin to fathom "ladder fear." I feel sorry for those that must experience it but it just seems so bizarre to me. You're afraid of seeing your ranking, why? because you'll feel like you're bad at something if you don't rank high enough? Why does you ladder ranking mean so much to you? If one plays a game and loses, oh well, it doesn't mean you failed at life, it doesn't even necessarily mean you failed in that game, you just lost. Instead of winning, you lost, someone had to, it was you. What's the big deal? I don't get it.

It is a damn shame though that because of this fear they annihilated losses from play records. What's the point of playing if you never lose. If you can never see you're win ratio slowly growing higher.
GG WP //// 24yo.M
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 27 2011 18:06 GMT
#76
Once you get over it, there is nothing holding you back, it just takes a set time/# of games. TBH, if you don't enjoy laddering people play customs or screw around in team games, maybe someday they'll 1v1, then it's up to them. I don't see what more blizzard can do with a practice league, no longer showing loses, and giving shiny emblems...
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
May 27 2011 18:11 GMT
#77
i thot they got rid of 'ladder fear' when they implented that you cant see how many games a person has lost unless they are master/gm rank
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
May 27 2011 18:13 GMT
#78
i used to play bfme quite a bit and for quite a few months i was part of one of 2 clans that were 2 of the best around the time. I could never play 1v1 properly in that game, and i find it pretty hard sometimes on SC2 - but not as hard surprisingly as its a much harder game. I dunno if its fear.....meh

alot of it is just not wanting to deal with it. I played 4 games today and went 2-2
lost a pvp cos my pvp sucks so hard. and lost to a 3rr but i was will polite about it an GG

the 2 games i won. one was vs a terran who pushed at a stupid time with a handful of marines and marauders. I had my expo up, 4 gate and robo and had 1 immortal out. I rolled over his army, and then countered him and killed him and he just left.

then i played a 30 mins game with a zerg. I forge expand and he attacked with alot of roaches early on. He took out both my cannons, but i lost little more then that. After that he didnt attack me again. I got on 4 base, 12 gateways, HT, and collosus, with +3 weapon upgrade.

So i had collosus with range, templar with storm, archon, and blink and charge. I rolled over his army that was entirely roach and hydra, nearly all hydra so the storm and collusus did alot of damage. He raged hard. toss is op broken and i just a move - even though he'd seen my FF and use storm and make sure collosus were targeting hydra and engaging with about 8-10 stalkers from a different side to catch the roaches off guard.

Why do people take this game so dam seriously? its all for fun. Whats the point in just cheesing people alot - i get alot of 6 pools, marine marauder scv all in, cannon rush. its just really anoying to have a community that has so many dickheads
XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
May 27 2011 18:14 GMT
#79
A simple fix would be to fix the stupid custom game shit we have to deal with.

Namely
-Make the Game not auto START
-let us create our game name 1v1 Master only or 1v1 Master T looking for Z


BOOM. Fixed thx BW your insight is greatly approved.
Emperor? Boxer disapproves. He's building bunkers at your mom's house even as you're reading this.
Biffity
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia3 Posts
May 27 2011 18:20 GMT
#80
I myself, had ladder fear and unfortunately it was one of the reasons i stopped playing sc2.

I was having fun in Sc2 early on in the game, and i played with friends, i 1v1ed, i laddered, but eventually, the fun stopped. Thinking about it, i realised that the reason i stopped enjoying myself, was because sc2 felt like a chore, and that i couldn't enjoy it because i feared losing elo. I couldn't have fun because i would be nervous as soon as i queued that i might lose. I was only a silver leaguer in my time in starcraft, and i still love to watch the pros play, because i know what is good in the game, i just can't do it myself because of the fear of the ladder.
Also in lower leagues there is a lot of cheese, I'd say 70-80% of 1v1s i played involved the enemy cheesing. The ladder fear ultimately stopped my enjoyment of sc2, and i can't figure out how to get back into the game again.

(first post on TL)
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