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On May 19 2011 03:34 Justanx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 03:28 two.watup wrote:On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites. As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus 20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely) Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds 650, 600, 550,490 Then next at Anahiem. 4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control. http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/224756-2011-pro-circuit-rank-points/ (This is where I'M getting my numbers from) Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports. Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots. Just giving my 2 cents. I don't think they're going to put koreans in 4 at a time for every competition. MLG would turn into GomLG. Yep, they plan on inviting them to each competition, if I'm reading it right. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580
They probably don't intend for the 4 already in MLG to stay.
If they did, there would never be foreigners anymore, because the Koreans in MLG are going to place highly, and those not in mlg will be placed in...
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On May 19 2011 03:47 Justanx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 03:41 MLG_Lee wrote:
Every event moving forward will have 4 GSL Pro's invited. So those pro's that attend will accrue rank points, but don't confuse rank points with seeding.
Only 4 invited spots exist. If a GSL pro who previously attended an MLG comes in addition to the 4 invited pro's then of course we would recognize their rank points. Each league is putting up a travel, accommodations and expenses for the other league's players in the invited spots only.
Not to be harsh, but to be blunt and clear, if MLG invites 4 GSL Pro's and a 5th Pro decides to come, they're on their own financially, and their seeding falls where it may according to the MLG rank points they have accrued.
Our hope is to invite many different players from GSL to compete and give many different MLG players a chance to compete at GSL. It is, after all, a League Exchange Program.
Thank you Lee. So if the 4 players do get points and get ranked. Those 4 players are welcome back but MLG is not flipping the bill. Just the 4 new players. It would behoove those players' teams to send them out again so they could stay in contention with the other players though. Just so I got it clear.
Correct!
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I have a question about the MLG tournament itself. Do you have to qualify or be a certain level to enter the open bracket or can anyone just show up register and play?
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On May 18 2011 12:52 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 12:45 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote:
^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread). what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it. Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't? I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though. forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format) this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy
I don't understand why you're mad, you made a decision to go to a more competitive tournament where you had a lot less of a chance to do well,( based on the caliber of players there). You made the decision to miss MLG, deal with it. Huk made the same decision but got knocked out of gslwc early and went through the open bracket and he was supposed to be the *TOP* seed at MLG Dallas. If you really deserve a spot in the championship pool play you'll make it through the open bracket or at least make it to the top 16.
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On May 19 2011 04:27 Ex_Matt wrote:
I have a question about the MLG tournament itself. Do you have to qualify or be a certain level to enter the open bracket or can anyone just show up register and play?
Anyone can show up for open. Just sign up.
Online qualifiers help you with rank points so you get a better seed at the event.
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That group C is by far the toughest, but I think that IdrA will do well in it. He can beat SeleCT, but I think Bomber will take it. Let's face it Bomber is one of the best players in the world. I don't see Ret and Tyler doing too great in that group, but then again they're really good players, just really inconsistent. So who knows, maybe one of them will suddenly start doing really well.
Anyways, I want MMA to win this, as I think it would be just great. He's such a fantastic player so I'd love to see more of him play and see him win some more, it's really too bad that he's not Code S so hopefully he can clean up this tournament (let's face it there are some Code S players who are awful like TSL_Rain and MMA is way better).
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Holy shit, Group C. So much more stacked than the other groups it's not even funny. I hate this. Plus two TL team kills groups? T__T
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I see lots of TvT, TvZ, and ZvZ coming our way on June! xD
Love the groups! All of them seem like all could be the groups of death!
Good luck guys!
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From reading a lot of the posts here, people seem to think getting top2 in group play means you "advance".
Don't all the players in group play advance regardless of their records? If I understand the system correctly, players with bad group play records just get seeded into the loser bracket, but no one in group play actually gets eliminated from the tournament.
Am I missing something?
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On May 19 2011 03:11 BallerLing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 03:06 Juanald wrote:On May 19 2011 03:03 BallerLing wrote:On May 19 2011 03:02 Juanald wrote:On May 19 2011 02:38 BallerLing wrote:
Tyler is a dumbass, all he does is spam apm on his stream, because thats all he knows how to do. seriously if you watch his stream all he does is spam apm. OMGZ I HAVE 350 APM BY PUTTING MY NEXUS ON A HOTKEY AND SOMETHING ELSE ON ANOTHER AND CLICKING THEM ALL GAME LONG!
He wont even get top 2, he says hes not scared of anyone LOFUCKINGL. he sucks. he says he isnt scared of bomber, bomber will rape his noob ass. bomber raped whitera and whitera is way better than him. Idra, Select and the others are way better than him. he sucks.  real mature coming to teamliquids site to trash there players. your post reminds me of the haters who used to say huk and cruncher arent world class players... grow up Cruncher isnt a world class player. hes just someone whos good because he plays protoss. actually hes not even good. he just has won because he plays protoss. if making it to the quarter finals of TSL with MC and slayers boxers isint world class i dont know what is. your clearly just venting about balance or are jealous of crunchers rize to fame. You cant judge the foreign vs korean play based on the tsl, with the exception of mc vs thorzain (thorzain is great, he is 'world class' imo) there was obviously losses because of lag. If you refuse to believe this just look at the world championship. foreigners could hardly take a game off koreans, with the exception of a few. and they were pretty much the best that europe has to offer. if you think cruncher is as good as whitera for example youre kidding urself. and if you think adellscott can beat mvp in a bo3 on level grounds thats even more of a joke as mvp is one of the best in the world.
how many times do huk and cruncher have to prove the haters wrong until they will be recognized for there skill? we clearlly arent going to see eye to eye on this. i must say im a bit embarassed for you that you are making excuses (lag) and trying to say TSL doesnt count and just because you are unhappy with the results. im sure whitera or mvp could take a few games off of cruncher but thats not to say hes not in the same league.
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On May 19 2011 03:14 Justanx wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I think is what Incontrol and some of the others were seeing as a Problem with the GSl invites. As of right now the 4 Koreans will get the following points coming out of Columbus 20th =180 19th=190 18th= 200 17th= 210 If they fail to even move up (highly unlikely) Lets just say for the sake of argument. they move into the 6 -10 spot at the end of the rounds 650, 600, 550,490 Then next at Anahiem. 4 more Koreans come and take the next 4 spots. Now its 8 spots taken I understand its a numbers game but I can see where it might run out of control. http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/224756-2011-pro-circuit-rank-points/ (This is where I'M getting my numbers from) Right now QXC and Painuser are just under the cut for top 20. I kinda think its a little unfair for them to get muscled out for the sake of Esports. Heck even Tyler might get nudged out since he is sitting at 16th with 250 points, if he only picks up 16th again (sorry man not trying to Jinx ya) He only gets 250. Leaving him only 500 to go into Anahiem with. This could mean he gets knocked down into the open brackets. Technically he should still be 16-20th, but with 4 more Koreans on the way it takes up those 4 spots. Just giving my 2 cents.
but the only reason it seems so unfair is the difference in difficulty is so stark between 20th and 21st position. this would still be true no mater if koreans were invited or not. it speaks to the stupidity of the system that people who are barely different in terms of skill get such different experiences at the tourney, one guy 'protected' as if it would be the end of the world for him to go home early, the other left to the open bracket.
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On May 19 2011 04:28 Aranaukin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 12:52 TT1 wrote:On May 18 2011 12:45 Corrik wrote:On May 18 2011 12:42 iNcontroL wrote:On May 18 2011 12:40 Corrik wrote:
^ I do agree it's unfair that Gretorp is getting a seeded spot over someone who won however many games to get to that point (I think Boxxah said he won enough to be 17th or something earlier in this thread). what? gretorp eliminated mihai (boxaaah) from mlg dallas gretorp took 18th...he bumped up cause 2 didn't go.. deal with it. Do you think, incontrol, that TT1 or boxxah (I was just using him as an example to be honest) should have had to go through that many more games? Maybe Gretorp beat him, but how many did Boxxah beat that Gretorp didn't? I agree. He took the match, but did him taking that match off him mean he did more in that tournament? Gretorp underwhelmed badly. I understand the rules. But, I think it's a shame that's how it ended up working out. Hopefully Gretorp proves me to be an idiot and does work this tournament though. forget about that man, i bust my ass all season long last year to get top 3 and then because i have a huge opportunity presented my way and decide to miss out on the 1st mlg of the year im already forced to deal with a huge handicap, top 4 of the open tournament get seeded in the main tour and the rest of the players from the open bracket go to losers, so even if u do make it from the open bracket and dont finish in the top 4 ur pretty much screwed off the bat, while the rest of the players in the champ. bracket pretty much get everything handed to them(not putting any of the blame on them the blame is to be put on whoever came up with this retarded format) this fucking tournament format is the stupidest shit that ive ever seen, goddddd sorry for the negativety but it makes me so mad.. had to vent out somewhere edit: then seeing mlg giving out free invites to the kors while they pretty much tell everyone else to go claw their way throught the tournament(and all the future tournaments) is the icing on the cake ^^ so classy I don't understand why you're mad, you made a decision to go to a more competitive tournament where you had a lot less of a chance to do well,( based on the caliber of players there). You made the decision to miss MLG, deal with it. Huk made the same decision but got knocked out of gslwc early and went through the open bracket and he was supposed to be the *TOP* seed at MLG Dallas. If you really deserve a spot in the championship pool play you'll make it through the open bracket or at least make it to the top 16.
Simple, the format, in addition to the new rules of accepting GSL players in a tournament exchange program is highly unfair to anyone playing in the open bracket, which if i remember correctly, is the tournament that pays for the prizepool of the invitees. As the tournament bracket starts to seperate themselves, and sponsored players are able to travel to more events than MLG locals, it will make even less sense for people to enter into the open bracket, as achieving enough points to compete will be next to impossible, if not flat out impossible in the later years of this tournament. Not to mention that the rankings are based off earlier MLG tournaments which may, or may not have been effected by the overall balance of the game, and we spiral into a whole new set of issues. Easily put, the ranking system, with an invite system is just to unfair for the local players playing in the open bracket, its too many obstacle for them to overcome to reach a location of receiving MLG points, and even the 4 who do qualify have tired themselves out playing the past 2 days that they are bound to give a worse performance in the final 24 tournament. NaNiwa did very well himself, but we can chop that up to very solid game play and a lack of competition, I think the chances for an Open Bracket Star lessens every tournament.
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1. Group C = holy shit
2. Machine& iNcontroL, lololol
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With only four players qualifying for the championship bracket from the open bracket I feel like it deters many good players with expensive travel to MLG from going, which is unfortunate.
Imagine the competition for those four slots if players like Thorzain, White-Ra, Hasuobs, Kas, Adelscott, BratOK, Dimaga, Strelok, Happy, Sen, Morrow, Jinro, TT1, Mana, Naama, Darkforce, Moonglade, Demuslim, Cloud, Tarson, Fenix, Qxc, Nightend, Grubby, Goody, Sase, Bischu, Axslav, Catz etc would go to MLG.
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On May 19 2011 02:40 asdfTT123 wrote:
IMO Group B is as easily hard as C...I can't believe nobody else realizes this.
MMA is similar skill to Bomber, even though I'd give Bomber the edge.
Kiwi and Sjow are the same level as Idra and Select (Kiwi has back and forth record vs Idra/Select and Sjow has winning record vs Select)
A well-practiced Sheth can easily rival Ret and Moonan is underrated.
Tyler is easily the weakest link in both groups and will be a walkover in C.
Hence, B = C.
Nani and Losira will cruise through A and D...there's simply nobody in the same level in their groups. In fact, the rest of A/D are a joke compared to C/D. Group A's 2nd can be drew/Slush/Moon...pretty much a toss-up. Group D's 2nd will be Haypro and incontrol will get last in his group.
Top 3 in each:
A: Nani/SLush/Moon
B: Kiwi/MMA/Sheth
C: Bomber/Select/Idra
D: Losira/Haypro/TLO
I agree with who you think will win each group (although I think MMA will take first in his group making B MMA/Kiwi/Sheth) and I doubt that HayprO will beat Machine (so that group will be Losira/Machine/TLO).
That being said I do not think that Group B is nearly as hard as Group C. First off Bomber outclasses every other player in those groups except for maybe IdrA. I honestly do not believe that any of the other players in either of those groups comes near to the skill level of Bomber. Same thing with IdrA, I don't think that anybody in Group B is at the level that IdrA is at; in between him adn Bomber you have a group that is absolutely scary.
But anyways, the real reason why Group C is scarier in my opinion isn't necessarily the fact that they are at a higher skill level, but rather they have more tournament results. Bomber recently won Code A, IdrA recently won the IGN proleague, Ret won Assembly Winter a little while ago, and SeleCT hasn't had a lot of 1st place finishes but he certainly has proven himself as being a competitor (plus Tyler is a great player, he just hasn't gotten super far in many big tournaments). Plus, I don't know if you remember MLG DC last year (which was a while ago and obviously all the players have improved greatly) but it was pretty clear that both IdrA and SeleCT were the two best players there.
Now let's look at Group B's results: SjoW beat White-Ra at IEM and won The Gathering, KiWiKaKi has often been the runner-up in tournaments (similarly to SeleCT), and the rest of that group has had very limited success in big tournaments. That's not to say that they aren't great players, or even that they aren't as good as the players in Group C, but let's face it: Group C's tournament results speak for themselves. That group is downright scary, and frankly
Group C > Group B.
On May 18 2011 19:36 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote:
I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
What about the code A invites GOM gave a few season back (and will again soon plus even a code S spot) to Huk, Moonglade etc? It's exactly the same thing they didn't have to go through horrible qualifiers (which are probably 10x harder then the MLG ones) while the korean players did.
A lot of foreign pros don't have the resources to make that Code A invite worth it. I mean, they have to spend the money to get to Korea, then they have to spend a month in Korea, during which they cannot participate in other big tournaments around the world, they can't practice as much or get as good of practice in, and the only way they can get into Code S is if they do really well in Code A.
Plus, even if they do get to Code S, that's another month they have to spend there. I think that if GOMtv were to offer a Code S invite, then suddenly this would be way better. Way more players would be willing to go to Korea. Suddenly the possible prize literally is multiplied by about fifty times, plus it's far more prestigious.
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Bomber vs IdrA&SelecT
MMA vs SjoW&KiWiKaKi
should be interesting...
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On May 18 2011 19:05 FXOpen wrote:
I think the Koreans should have to go through the open bracket just like the rest of the players. Naniwa did it and won the tournamnet, whats stopping moon or whoever doing the same?
It is sort of like gaming racism in a way really. But not a serious form of racism. I feel sorry for anyone who played 18-22 (seeing as though 2 ppl are not showing so 16 17 should get in?).
Yep.
Or make it like GSL: seed one into Code S (pool play) and three/four into Code A (open bracket round whatever)
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THORZAIN PLEASE GO TO THE MLG :/
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