EPTGSL Needs More Foreign Players - PlayXP article - Page 3
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:39 CoR wrote: for me the biggest problem is still, ok when they make the 1st slot and gets a code S slot, some players will move for one season to korea, but players like dimaga naniwa white-ra or even hasuobs kas etc just get much more money outside of korea then they could do in korea expect they win code S so i think alot of players when they "wins" the code A slots in MLG will just say "no" to the offer to travel (i cant see idra or tlo go to korea just for one code A after idra even left code S) This is the exact problem tbh. IF there were more tournament offers in korea,then yeah. I can see foreigners going to korea to compete in the GSL AND other 'smaller' tournaments. But as is, GSL is the only 'professional' tournament in korea and there are much more options in NA/EU. I would love to see some foreigners (in my point of view) play in the GSL, but I don't see that happening any time soon, with the current 'unsuccessful' sc2 scene in Korea. | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
I think this might be a good system...because its just such a gamble for a foreigner to go and try to work his way up through the ranks... and as long as the seeds can compete fairly well in the league I would hope it wouldn't anger too many korean fans. I certainly think tournaments are more exciting when there is a greater diversity of players. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
DON'T GIVE THE GSL SUPER TOURNEY WINNER 1/2 THE DAMN PRIZE POOL. Nobody will want to keep playing GSL when only the top 4 actually make any money. Ro32 626.72 Ro16 1,253.45 Ro8 3,133.63 Ro4 6,267.25 2nd 18 801.75 1st 62 672.50 Total 32 92 755.30 needs to be Ro32 1000 Ro16 2000 Ro8 4000 Ro4 7,500 2nd 10,000 1st 25,000 Total 32 98000 | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:47 s.a.y wrote: It's not worth it to compete in GSL for foreigners anymore. MLG, NASL, TSL, team games (EG Masters Cup comes into mind), every day quick cups for cash > GSL. Plus, in the MLG-GSL deal players get into Code A (1500 USD tourney) not S, just not worth it. Idra and Incontrol give out pretty good arguments in the last SOTG. Except, after Columbus, winner of MLG gets a Code S seed. Also, I'm sure GOM is aware of this general sentiment and will likely factor this into how they change the GSL later this year. That said I'm not really sure what they can really do besides give foreign players huge, unfair advantages/incentives. But if foreign players are actually able to compete/place well (something none of the foreigners besides Jinro have really been able to do, I'm sure they would be more than happy to stay in Korea). | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
I agree with the auther even though I think Korea won't be the capital for esports in due time, largely because there's to many stubborn BW fans/players and I don't blame them due the money/attunement it has gotten in Korea. The rest of the world though is adopting SC2 and in due time will surpass Korea. | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:58 Mailing wrote: Look, it's really simple. DON'T GIVE THE GSL SUPER TOURNEY WINNER 1/2 THE DAMN PRIZE POOL. Nobody will want to keep playing GSL when only the top 4 actually make any money. Ro32 626.72 Ro16 1,253.45 Ro8 3,133.63 Ro4 6,267.25 2nd 18 801.75 1st 62 672.50 Total 32 92 755.30 needs to be Ro32 1000 Ro16 2000 Ro8 4000 Ro4 7,500 2nd 10,000 1st 25,000 Total 32 98000 You're asking them to output 5300$ more that's coming from where? The point of the super tourney is that it's one huge tourney once a year and you want to cut the first prize in half so it ends up being half of what a code S winner would get? Doesn't sound very "super" to me | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
I think the idea of having ONE official SC2 league has really sapped the game's chances so far.... IIRC, the old BW scene had a lot of smaller tournaments (the tourneys  YellOw won for example) and it was only over time that the OSL and MSL became the traditional leagues. I think that they should have let this happen organically, instead of forcing one official league for everyone. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:58 Mailing wrote: Look, it's really simple. DON'T GIVE THE GSL SUPER TOURNEY WINNER 1/2 THE DAMN PRIZE POOL. Nobody will want to keep playing GSL when only the top 4 actually make any money. Ro32 626.72 Ro16 1,253.45 Ro8 3,133.63 Ro4 6,267.25 2nd 18 801.75 1st 62 672.50 Total 32 92 755.30 needs to be Ro32 1000 Ro16 2000 Ro8 4000 Ro4 7,500 2nd 10,000 1st 25,000 Total 32 98000 I agree with you. But remember that in Korea the players get a salary as well. I have no clue how much that is but it is probably at least a minimum wage. NASL, GSL should both split the prizepool better though. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
It always been like that so no big news here excecpt for Idra !!! The big problem is that GOM is the only one that is making SC2 tournaments Now that Blizzard and Kespa finally solve their problems some other tournamets MIGHT show up and more chances to get money from other price pools will attracts more Foreign Players When this is gonna hppn? Probably in 2012 xD No one else seems interested into making a big sc2 tournm in korea The problem is not the price pool is the lack of tournaments GOM, MSL, OSL SWL, SPL | ||
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dp
United States234 Posts
Also, who are all these pros that said they wouldn't accept an invitation? Besides Idra of course. And they based this opinion on code a prize money? What tournaments are they missing out on? Its a bunch of malarkey. Most of these players do not make their income from winning tournaments, or even playing in them. They make their money from coaching/sponsors/streaming and random show matches. And they can do all that from korea, as well as a majority of online tournaments(at the same disadvantage as koreans currently have playing in them). Besides personal reasons, there is no excuse not to go. Unless you don't think you can win. Then I agree, don't take a spot from someone giving it their all to win. | ||
blahz0r
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jgoonld
334 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:01 Koshi wrote: I agree with you. But remember that in Korea the players get a salary as well. I have no clue how much that is but it is probably at least a minimum wage. NASL, GSL should both split the prizepool better though. How many SC2 teams actually are getting salaries currently? I know TSL does, so I'd assume some of the other major teams do as well; but I'm not certain that it's a thing to count on for most teams and code A players. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
western tourneys often have group stages / double elimination, but in korea its normally single elim so getting unlucky can fuck you over for a whole month moving out there. either gom needs to host more tourneys, or make the league include more players for a longer amount of the month. without doing something its hard to tempt foreigners to take such a huge gamble. we cant put the blame on western tourneys offering too much money to people ;/ | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:01 Koshi wrote: I agree with you. But remember that in Korea the players get a salary as well. I have no clue how much that is but it is probably at least a minimum wage. NASL, GSL should both split the prizepool better though. Only TSL pays salaries in Korea. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:54 thirnaz wrote: Do you have proof of this? Cuz if thats true then i guess most foreigners would accept the deal, didnt even Tyler say he might go if he got Code S? MLG said it themselves. Top4 would get passes to get seeded directly into the GSL with the winner going straight into Code S. It's in their announcement thread. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
"If foreigners who have been IN Korea aren't even returning for the GSL Super Tournament despite direct invites, what does that say about GSL's chances of attracting foreigner players into their regular seasons? For most foreigners, the incentives just aren't there. They see Jinro and Huk, struggling again and again in the GSL league system, while missing everything that's going on in the West, and ask, "why bother?" Why commit to competing in Korea, against stiffer competition, when there are so many opportunities outside of Korea that do not require the same amount of commitment? MLG is a three-day affair. Dreamhack is similar. NASL and IPL are both online. GSL, by contrast, is months long, has top-stacked rewards, and requires living in a foreign country, away from family and friends, for extended periods of time. As far as I can tell, foreigners have already voted an initial "no" to the GSL system. But hey, I guess we'll see what happens when the first MLG/GSL swap happens." | ||
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SuitGuy
United States186 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:58 Mailing wrote: Look, it's really simple. DON'T GIVE THE GSL SUPER TOURNEY WINNER 1/2 THE DAMN PRIZE POOL. Nobody will want to keep playing GSL when only the top 4 actually make any money. Ro32 626.72 Ro16 1,253.45 Ro8 3,133.63 Ro4 6,267.25 2nd 18 801.75 1st 62 672.50 Total 32 92 755.30 needs to be Ro32 1000 Ro16 2000 Ro8 4000 Ro4 7,500 2nd 10,000 1st 25,000 Total 32 98000 This is exactly right. There is no reason that the winner of GSL Code S should get 50% or more of the total prize pool. It is about as not player friendly as it gets. No foreigners are competing in GSL because there is not a reasonable chance of making a good sum of money relative to other international/local tournaments. | ||
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SuitGuy
United States186 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:24 dp wrote: Where is this 'they should get something for trying' attitude come from? I think the prize spread is perfectly reasonable. Winner gets a lot more. Makes sense to me. Also, who are all these pros that said they wouldn't accept an invitation? Besides Idra of course. And they based this opinion on code a prize money? What tournaments are they missing out on? Its a bunch of malarkey. Most of these players do not make their income from winning tournaments, or even playing in them. They make their money from coaching/sponsors/streaming and random show matches. And they can do all that from korea, as well as a majority of online tournaments(at the same disadvantage as koreans currently have playing in them). Besides personal reasons, there is no excuse not to go. Unless you don't think you can win. Then I agree, don't take a spot from someone giving it their all to win. They aren't "just trying" as you say. These are already the top players in the country. They aren't random individuals that just picked up the game last week and decided to play. They focus an immense amount of time on the game and they should be rewarded as such. There is no where else in the world where the 5th best person in their field is paid 20 times less than the best person. It is ridiculous and that is essentially the GSL system. | ||
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elementz
United States281 Posts
GSL has the prestige of being the better league by a long shot, NASL/IPL seam much lesser in comparison to prestige. | ||
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