Situation report Patch 1.3.3 - Page 27

Spitfire

South Africa442 Posts

May 20 2011 13:09 GMT

#521

On May 20 2011 21:06 yeahsc2 wrote:
Can you all just please, please STOP FUCKING COMPARING SC:BW and SC2. JUST FUCKING STOP IT. Its not the same game, it doesn`t have same mechanics, its fucking stupid to compare. Go play SC:BW if you like it so much. This comparison just pisses me off. Its NOT the same game! There are some things that need to be fixed for all races but again STOP COMPARING TO SC:BW!!!

Dont think the comparison can be avoided.

StarCraft 2 clearly strives to be the ultimate RTS and the ultimate E-sport, and its predecessor set the standard for both, so if you cant compare it to Brood War then what do you compare it to?

Garnet

Vietnam9016 Posts

May 20 2011 13:27 GMT

#522

On May 18 2011 10:08 thebole1 wrote:
whay you ppl cray soo much abouth thors ? did you ever heard abouth ghoust EMP ? you EMP your thors and they will do good agenst toss.. also build some blue flame hellions becous you need em vs zealots... (zealots do good agenst thors)

thors ghoust and hellions are great combo vs toss try it ..

What u mean by EMP your thors??

Hondelul

1999 Posts

May 20 2011 13:55 GMT

#523

On May 20 2011 22:27 Garnet wrote:

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What u mean by EMP your thors??

EMP drains also energy from your own units. Then they have no energy and don´t get (much) damage against feedback.
Bad part you can´t ever use strike canon

Blasterion

China10272 Posts

May 20 2011 13:59 GMT

#524

If lockdown abilities must be kept in check. What's fungal then? Aoe lockdown?

MoreFaSho

United States1427 Posts

May 20 2011 14:10 GMT

#525

On May 20 2011 20:53 Thrombozyt wrote:
This really shows that you have not thought the bunker rush through. When does a bunker rush fail? When you don't get the bunker up or your bunker gets overrun. How does the salvage help you there? Right - it doesn't. When does salvage come into play in a bunker rush? When you have established a position and push further in (though most of the time this is prevented by creep) or when you have killed off the hatch and are pulling out. And then no Terran would mind to let those 100 min bunkers stand because the damage is done and by far outweighs the investment.

Salvage barely plays a role in bunker rush considerations. Salvage is rather a consideration on defense, where it's an incentive to create a bunker that is a worthless structure unless you fill it with units. So while other defenses (cannons, spines) remain useful when you push out, the bunker is empty and deserted. That's the point where salvage is useful. Note that this does not make the bunker free, because 100 minerals now are better than 100 minerals 5 mins later.

I don't even care about salvage that much, I don't personally like the mechanic, but I have no idea whether it improves or hurts balance, but you're completely wrong. I've played out probably 100+ bunker rushes (high masters zerg) and a ton of time you stop a forward push with a spine poking at a bunker and then marines hop out, they salvage and run away. If it weren't for salvage, they'd be 75 minerals (formerly 100) poorer.

As for the 100 minerals now vs 100 minerals later, yes obviously this is true, but I think people exaggerate this a lot. The "interest rate" in sc2 is the ability to:
1) build scvs
or
2) build a command center to get mules/scvs

Sure if you don't build a bunker you can get up an extra rax earlier in some spots, but unless this time delayed a command center or delayed an scv building then it didn't cost anything that couldn't end up in an equivalent state in the future.