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Looky
United States1608 Posts
this is the first portion of what TB wrote and people are defending he is not bashing idra and saying hes a bad caster!?!?? smh edit: " Idra is a bad caster. He has no training in casting so hes bad, cant hear him, sounds dull, stutters, no flow, cant express emotions and passion. " basically what he is saying without sugar coating anything. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On May 13 2011 18:47 outerspace02 wrote: totalbiscuit = Craig Sager And who is Craig? On May 13 2011 18:48 Looky wrote: "IdrA is not a good caster. He does not have the training to be a good caster, he is too quiet, he is frequently monotone, he stumbles in his speech, he has no flow to speak of, he lacks the ability to express passion and emotion." this is the first portion of what TB wrote and people are defending he is not bashing idra and saying hes a bad caster!?!?? smh Did you read the rest? | ||
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Swineflew
United States61 Posts
On May 13 2011 18:48 Looky wrote: "IdrA is not a good caster. He does not have the training to be a good caster, he is too quiet, he is frequently monotone, he stumbles in his speech, he has no flow to speak of, he lacks the ability to express passion and emotion." this is the first portion of what TB wrote and people are defending he is not bashing idra and saying hes a bad caster!?!?? smh Except a lot of people don't think he's a bad caster and find those to be personal attacks. Edit: I read this wrong, but my statement is still true. | ||
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outerspace02
United States136 Posts
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letmegopls
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zeru
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On May 13 2011 18:41 CScythe wrote: Personally I'd be happy to never see Totalbiscuit cast another match. I'd prefer IdrA to cast over TB any day... Thank you so much for this interesting contribution to the discussion. In relation to the "IdrA is a bad caster" quote, I really wish people would quoting it out of context. Oh well. It's a shame this thread descended into "I don't like IdrA" or "I don't like TB", and that most people looked over the fact that TB's post was a response to a blog post about why IdrA is such a good caster and that everyone should take note. 80% of people seem to have missed that :-/ | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
OK, a US sport journalist covering basketball? | ||
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outerspace02
United States136 Posts
ya who takes it upon himself to spice up the game unnecessarily edit: with his ridiculous outfits/personality if it wasn't clear | ||
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Alive!US
United States26 Posts
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lezin
Finland11 Posts
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
There is a reason that football is commentated on by ex-footballers and not newsreaders. | ||
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On May 13 2011 18:41 cnas wrote: An interresting point I find in what TB expresses is the pre-emptive GG:ing that many casters do. I'm very into ice hockey aswell, and if you compare how the casters handle a situation where a team is looking to be losing there: What they usually do is to say that much can happen in a short time, and they often back this up with examples from the past, where a team came back from a great deficit. This is good I think to keep the tension up to the last freaking second of the game. I partly agree with this. If the score is 5-0 and it's 2 minutes left of a game no hockey commentator is going to hype it up and say that the losing team still has a shot at it. On numerous occasions have I heard hockey commentators say things like 'this is not good hockey being played' or something in similar fashion. If you continously hype bad games and bad decisions you have no credibility left for when actual good moves do happen. Casters should obviously try to create excitement but if the game is really bad I don't want to hear a fake 'AND HE TAKES THE GAME, BLABLA IS FORCED TO TAP OUT! WHAT A GREAT GAME!' It would be better if they joked around instead, creating entertainment. F.ex. I always found games with bitbybitprime hilarious since Artosis would come up with snide comments regarding how he would all-in and stuff like that. The games weren't good at all but the commentary made it entertaining. | ||
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PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
Chick Hearn used to say "This game's in the refrigerator: the door is closed, the lights are out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard, and the Jell-O's jigglin'!" before the game was actually over. also i'm seriously confused on what TB thinks a caster is. to me, a caster is interchangeable with commentator. Idra is the best color commentator in the business and a below average play-by-play commentator. also, TB cherrypicked the original's main point. The original article said that idra's blunt honesty and critical sincerity is refreshing and needed. TB's rebuttal goes off on a tangent addressing in ways that being honest about a game being over is bad. | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
Idra has a great tactical understanding and that is the only thing I'm looking for in a caster. I can definitely see how that doesn't help interest new viewers. TLDR: I hate caster. I love players who cast. | ||
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vijeze
Netherlands719 Posts
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
Personal thoughts: Commentator excitement can contribute to my excitement, but only if it's contrasted by low energy. Constant high energy commentary is tiresome and almost never aligns with how exciting the game would be to watch on its own. I'd rather hear honest opinions on the game than disingenuous hyping of impossible situations (refusing to predict incoming demise for a player.) In fact prophecizing doom for a player is a perfect set-up for crazy excitement should the doomed player prevail. Detailing dire straits and then not telling us the ship will sink is too close to lying by omission. On the topic of giving less interesting casts for less interesting games: painting a particular game less brilliantly than another also serves to contrast the two. I enjoyed hearing Tastosis be far more excited for Nestea's amazing win against sc on Crossfire than for most other games. I would've been disappointed otherwise. I feel like commentators in SC2 are too hung-up on avoiding bad calls and self-corrections. OK, fine, I expect present events in the game to be noted accurately. I don't want to be told a player won't have X in time when he already has X. However, calls about the future have completely different expectations. All I expect is for the commentator to tell me why he thinks something will occur based on what he has seen. If he's wrong, fine, doesn't matter. Why did those events occur instead, and what events will they lead to? Usage note: Cast, caster, casting, etc. do not have the definitions that we are using atm, so they're functioning mainly as truncations of broadcast and its variants (by this I mean dictionaries do not denote a cast as a broadcast and such, though we all understand that to be the case and use cast as so). In that capacity, casting does not indicate specifically PbP or color commentary. Even in the Wiki articles TB linked, color commentators are also considered sports broadcasters. It's a bit silly to be told IdrA is a poor caster but a strong color commentator. In the end both PbP and color commentary add value to the broadcast. However due to the nature of the game a commentator must command ample game knowledge to provide either one, since the actions that qualify as plays are often more subtle than mere combat. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
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W2
United States1177 Posts
Player drama/rivalries Player quotes leading until the game Strategical analysis Player background Joking around Lastly, play by play Perhaps I don't enjoy play by play because nobody does it right. First, no caster has a true broadcaster's voice. Also some casters screw up with words and info/loops a bit too much. However this is alright because we have casters like tastosis, who most closely follow the above priority list. Also note; backhanded compliment imo. Definitely has an agenda. | ||
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Anzekay
Australia63 Posts
On May 13 2011 18:53 Alive!US wrote: Its funny that totalbiscuit is hating on idras casting....mostly because I think totalbiscuit is horrible and I really enjoy listening to idra. So it's funny that a man has an opinion... Just like you do? And nevermind the lack of reading to discover that TB is, in fact, not hating on Idra. The sheer amount of people in this thread failing to grasp this (even with Nazgul himself posting!) is somewhat disapointing =/ | ||
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