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SyyRaaaN
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden136 Posts
May 09 2011 00:45 GMT
#141


Q: What was your biggest defeat?
A: Probably when I lost to Jinro in GSL Code S in January. It was my last GSL before I left Korea and I played really well. I felt I could beat him and reach the finals. Then we spawned in close positions twice, and I lost the 6 pool to a Marine with 5 hitpoints. That was a cruel way to lose.




Blah blabla :D. Never admitting he lost to the better man ^^.
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Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
May 09 2011 00:52 GMT
#142
On May 09 2011 09:45 SyyRaaaN wrote:
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Q: What was your biggest defeat?
A: Probably when I lost to Jinro in GSL Code S in January. It was my last GSL before I left Korea and I played really well. I felt I could beat him and reach the finals. Then we spawned in close positions twice, and I lost the 6 pool to a Marine with 5 hitpoints. That was a cruel way to lose.




Blah blabla :D. Never admitting he lost to the better man ^^.


*shakes head*

But cool interview, still find it funny artosis switched to prot.
Carkis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada302 Posts
May 09 2011 00:52 GMT
#143
cool the tossgirl thing was hilarious
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 09 2011 00:57 GMT
#144
Lol tossgirl crying almost made me cry with laughter haha

IdrA loves these interviews - so many subtle balance jibes haha The artosis comment as well is pretty funny
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Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
May 09 2011 00:59 GMT
#145
Poor Tossgirl
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
May 09 2011 01:09 GMT
#146
I am by no means an idra fan, but I think that gsl ro8, idra was a better player than jinro, but was unlucky. 2 close position is rough, and jinro abused it.
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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 09 2011 01:10 GMT
#147
On May 09 2011 09:45 SyyRaaaN wrote:
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Q: What was your biggest defeat?
A: Probably when I lost to Jinro in GSL Code S in January. It was my last GSL before I left Korea and I played really well. I felt I could beat him and reach the finals. Then we spawned in close positions twice, and I lost the 6 pool to a Marine with 5 hitpoints. That was a cruel way to lose.




Blah blabla :D. Never admitting he lost to the better man ^^.


He said it was sad to be knocked out by having 1 marine survive 1 extra zergling attack, not that Jinro didn't earn it.

don't be a douche.
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Xtal
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Haiti385 Posts
May 09 2011 04:54 GMT
#148
lol @t Artosis telling IdrA to play Z.. then switching to P himself
Have you ever heard the story, about the Zergling and the Probe? The Probe didn't make it across the creep.
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
May 09 2011 06:13 GMT
#149
On May 09 2011 00:34 zeru wrote:
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On May 08 2011 22:59 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:55 Beyonder wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:31 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:12 MindRush wrote:
don't want to start a flame war here, but my guess is that whichever race would idra be playing, complaints about it being underpowered were bound to appear


NesTea even said "Zerg is sad". Best zerg in the world saying zerg sucks. Not to mention if you didn't read SlayerS Min's interview, he says in Korea zerg is seen as terrible and that any zerg who can win consistently gets a lot more respect than tjheir protoss and terran counterparts.

If you think there's a lot of whining in the foreigner scene, check out Korea's.


MC says protoss is weak, mvp says terran is weak. Do you see a pattern?


Find me one source where MC says protoss is weak.

The fact of the matter is the rest of Korea agrees zerg is terrible.

Fact you say? Where's the proof though?


http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/kr

a randomer 난초 (rank 27) is higher than the highest zerg oGsCezanne (29)
probably because he play terran/protoss 2/3 of the time

Put quote here for readability
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
May 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#150
On May 09 2011 10:09 SoKHo wrote:
I am by no means an idra fan, but I think that gsl ro8, idra was a better player than jinro, but was unlucky. 2 close position is rough, and jinro abused it.


He might've been a better player if you just dropped them down from the sky to start playing at a random point in time, but Jinro was crazy at preparing for a game. He'd study his opponent until he could perform a lubed rape... in starcraft...
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
May 09 2011 06:24 GMT
#151
On May 09 2011 15:13 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 00:34 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:59 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:55 Beyonder wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:31 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:12 MindRush wrote:
don't want to start a flame war here, but my guess is that whichever race would idra be playing, complaints about it being underpowered were bound to appear


NesTea even said "Zerg is sad". Best zerg in the world saying zerg sucks. Not to mention if you didn't read SlayerS Min's interview, he says in Korea zerg is seen as terrible and that any zerg who can win consistently gets a lot more respect than tjheir protoss and terran counterparts.

If you think there's a lot of whining in the foreigner scene, check out Korea's.


MC says protoss is weak, mvp says terran is weak. Do you see a pattern?


Find me one source where MC says protoss is weak.

The fact of the matter is the rest of Korea agrees zerg is terrible.

Fact you say? Where's the proof though?


http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/kr

a randomer 난초 (rank 27) is higher than the highest zerg oGsCezanne (29)
probably because he play terran/protoss 2/3 of the time



The fact that oGsCezanne is the highest ranked Zerg should give you an indication of how many people actually ladder seriously in Korea.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
May 09 2011 06:50 GMT
#152
On May 08 2011 20:17 Horse...falcon wrote:
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On May 08 2011 19:51 kasumimi wrote:
But I think my biggest accomplishment was to finish in the top 8 of MLG Dallas 2011 with Zerg.


What a pathetic comment coming from a pro-gamer. He was clearly under-performing in Dallas but hey, lets blame it on the game (again).


Oh relax, it was clearly a tongue in cheek response in a pretty casual interview.


Pretty sure that Idra is quite serious in his whines about the game's balance. What's annoying is that it rubs off on 80% of Zerg players in general, who just become martyrs and spend more time talking about how hard they have it rather than playing the game.
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
May 09 2011 07:04 GMT
#153
On May 09 2011 15:24 JKira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 15:13 sandyph wrote:
On May 09 2011 00:34 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:59 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:55 Beyonder wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:31 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:12 MindRush wrote:
don't want to start a flame war here, but my guess is that whichever race would idra be playing, complaints about it being underpowered were bound to appear


NesTea even said "Zerg is sad". Best zerg in the world saying zerg sucks. Not to mention if you didn't read SlayerS Min's interview, he says in Korea zerg is seen as terrible and that any zerg who can win consistently gets a lot more respect than tjheir protoss and terran counterparts.

If you think there's a lot of whining in the foreigner scene, check out Korea's.


MC says protoss is weak, mvp says terran is weak. Do you see a pattern?


Find me one source where MC says protoss is weak.

The fact of the matter is the rest of Korea agrees zerg is terrible.

Fact you say? Where's the proof though?


http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/kr

a randomer 난초 (rank 27) is higher than the highest zerg oGsCezanne (29)
probably because he play terran/protoss 2/3 of the time



The fact that oGsCezanne is the highest ranked Zerg should give you an indication of how many people actually ladder seriously in Korea.



yeah, SC (1), SuperNova (5), Alive (7), MKP (8), Bomber (10), Keen (13), Polt(16), MC(20) are not serious player at all

also just notice that Gumiho(11) is now a terran, probably he got tired of playing zerg 1/3 of the time. Does wonder for his points though

and being top 200 in ladder is the only way you can participate in code B, so I would think that some people are taking it seriously
Put quote here for readability
Highlight
Profile Joined April 2011
United States75 Posts
May 09 2011 07:34 GMT
#154
is there a vod of the idra vs tossgirl match? I wanna see how bad idra whipped her
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 09 2011 07:40 GMT
#155
On May 09 2011 15:50 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 20:17 Horse...falcon wrote:
On May 08 2011 19:51 kasumimi wrote:
But I think my biggest accomplishment was to finish in the top 8 of MLG Dallas 2011 with Zerg.


What a pathetic comment coming from a pro-gamer. He was clearly under-performing in Dallas but hey, lets blame it on the game (again).


Oh relax, it was clearly a tongue in cheek response in a pretty casual interview.


Pretty sure that Idra is quite serious in his whines about the game's balance. What's annoying is that it rubs off on 80% of Zerg players in general, who just become martyrs and spend more time talking about how hard they have it rather than playing the game.


Uh.. then ignore them?

Imbalances idra talks about are not the same as ladder imbalances. The game he plays is completely different from the ones platinums on ladder play.
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JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
May 09 2011 08:04 GMT
#156
On May 09 2011 16:04 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 15:24 JKira wrote:
On May 09 2011 15:13 sandyph wrote:
On May 09 2011 00:34 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:59 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:55 Beyonder wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:31 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:12 MindRush wrote:
don't want to start a flame war here, but my guess is that whichever race would idra be playing, complaints about it being underpowered were bound to appear


NesTea even said "Zerg is sad". Best zerg in the world saying zerg sucks. Not to mention if you didn't read SlayerS Min's interview, he says in Korea zerg is seen as terrible and that any zerg who can win consistently gets a lot more respect than tjheir protoss and terran counterparts.

If you think there's a lot of whining in the foreigner scene, check out Korea's.


MC says protoss is weak, mvp says terran is weak. Do you see a pattern?


Find me one source where MC says protoss is weak.

The fact of the matter is the rest of Korea agrees zerg is terrible.

Fact you say? Where's the proof though?


http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/kr

a randomer 난초 (rank 27) is higher than the highest zerg oGsCezanne (29)
probably because he play terran/protoss 2/3 of the time



The fact that oGsCezanne is the highest ranked Zerg should give you an indication of how many people actually ladder seriously in Korea.



yeah, SC (1), SuperNova (5), Alive (7), MKP (8), Bomber (10), Keen (13), Polt(16), MC(20) are not serious player at all

also just notice that Gumiho(11) is now a terran, probably he got tired of playing zerg 1/3 of the time. Does wonder for his points though

and being top 200 in ladder is the only way you can participate in code B, so I would think that some people are taking it seriously


I meant it in the sense that ladder ranking shouldn't be an indication of game balance. You don't think players like Nestea or Losira couldn't destroy the ladder if they wanted to? In Korea most good players are on a team/clan so custom games are better for practice.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
May 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#157
On May 09 2011 17:04 JKira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 16:04 sandyph wrote:
On May 09 2011 15:24 JKira wrote:
On May 09 2011 15:13 sandyph wrote:
On May 09 2011 00:34 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:59 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:55 Beyonder wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:31 aurum510 wrote:
On May 08 2011 22:12 MindRush wrote:
don't want to start a flame war here, but my guess is that whichever race would idra be playing, complaints about it being underpowered were bound to appear


NesTea even said "Zerg is sad". Best zerg in the world saying zerg sucks. Not to mention if you didn't read SlayerS Min's interview, he says in Korea zerg is seen as terrible and that any zerg who can win consistently gets a lot more respect than tjheir protoss and terran counterparts.

If you think there's a lot of whining in the foreigner scene, check out Korea's.


MC says protoss is weak, mvp says terran is weak. Do you see a pattern?


Find me one source where MC says protoss is weak.

The fact of the matter is the rest of Korea agrees zerg is terrible.

Fact you say? Where's the proof though?


http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/kr

a randomer 난초 (rank 27) is higher than the highest zerg oGsCezanne (29)
probably because he play terran/protoss 2/3 of the time



The fact that oGsCezanne is the highest ranked Zerg should give you an indication of how many people actually ladder seriously in Korea.



yeah, SC (1), SuperNova (5), Alive (7), MKP (8), Bomber (10), Keen (13), Polt(16), MC(20) are not serious player at all

also just notice that Gumiho(11) is now a terran, probably he got tired of playing zerg 1/3 of the time. Does wonder for his points though

and being top 200 in ladder is the only way you can participate in code B, so I would think that some people are taking it seriously


I meant it in the sense that ladder ranking shouldn't be an indication of game balance. You don't think players like Nestea or Losira couldn't destroy the ladder if they wanted to? In Korea most good players are on a team/clan so custom games are better for practice.

Do you think all the top zergs just happen to "not take it seriously" while the top players of other races take it at least more seriously because they are certainly all doing better on ladder than the zergs? Now, balance isn't the only reason why zergs may not be performing as well, for instance most ladder maps are pretty terrible for zerg and the fact at least terran mirror matchup is less volatile than ZvZ, but it still raises some questions.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 08:38:41
May 09 2011 08:36 GMT
#158
Why are people arguing with the Korean ladder when we know the following:
  • There is A LOT of cheese on the Korean ladder and
  • Blizzards maps and their close spawns / small size encourage you to cheese or allow it in the first place.

So IMO there is no point in trying to prove a point by the positions of the races on the ladder ... not until the close spawns and small maps are gone and Blizzard finally makes a decent mappool with "cheeseproof maps". Until that time we wont see Zerg at the top of that ladder due to the slow speed at which that race grows at the start of the match and which makes it impossible for Zerg to cheese (except for the sixpool probably and that is super risky against possible wall-ins).
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
May 09 2011 08:45 GMT
#159
Great interview. Gotta love IdrA. Or love to hate him, either way.
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 08:52:07
May 09 2011 08:51 GMT
#160
On May 09 2011 17:36 Rabiator wrote:
Why are people arguing with the Korean ladder when we know the following:
  • There is A LOT of cheese on the Korean ladder and
  • Blizzards maps and their close spawns / small size encourage you to cheese or allow it in the first place.

So IMO there is no point in trying to prove a point by the positions of the races on the ladder ... not until the close spawns and small maps are gone and Blizzard finally makes a decent mappool with "cheeseproof maps". Until that time we wont see Zerg at the top of that ladder due to the slow speed at which that race grows at the start of the match and which makes it impossible for Zerg to cheese (except for the sixpool probably and that is super risky against possible wall-ins).


yes, when one race is very weak againts cheese/early all-in and the other two are not then something is probably is not right

the ladder ranking reflect that because most people will just cheese zerg in a one off ladder game and get the win

again, when there's one sure win strategy (quick rush/all-in) that work well againts a race on multiple level of gameplay (tourney/ladder/casual) then something probably is not right
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