• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:08
CET 09:08
KST 17:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice4Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Gypsy to Korea It's March 3rd
Tourneys
[BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues BWCL Season 64 Announcement The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1404 users

ThorZaIN joins mousesports - Page 15

Forum Index > SC2 General
402 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 21 Next All
Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
May 08 2011 10:25 GMT
#281
I wonder how much that cost Mouse.
Flaf?
sirrobert5
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom62 Posts
May 08 2011 10:27 GMT
#282
congrats to thorzain
Serashin
Profile Joined November 2010
235 Posts
May 08 2011 10:30 GMT
#283
I cant remember lately any huge team invites or dominating performance besides from the race Terran (in all mu´s ) , try to prove me wrong .
However that is fitting regarding "my balance thoughts" currently

And that is ment especialy in TvP

And if you come now with oGs.MC he just wins allot of matches by playing risky strats that punish greedy terran play.

User was warned for this post
There are to many targets , and i smile everytime they try to defend and thinking they are smart.
kusto
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation823 Posts
May 08 2011 10:37 GMT
#284
On May 08 2011 19:30 Serashin wrote:
I cant remember lately any huge team invites or dominating performance besides from the race Terran (in all mu´s ) , try to prove me wrong .
However that is fitting regarding "my balance thoughts" currently

And that is ment especialy in TvP

And if you come now with oGs.MC he just wins allot of matches by playing risky strats that punish greedy terran play.



Nice try plugging in balance whining.

Good job Thorzain, good luck in the finals.
the game is the game
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
May 08 2011 10:48 GMT
#285
On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:
On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote:
In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):

Tier 1 Teams:
Dignitas
Fnatic
Liquid
Mouz
EG
ROOT

Tier 2 Teams:
Empire
Millenium
RoX
MYM
compLexity
FXO




I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot.


I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are.

RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results.

When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2.

And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet.

The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end.
.
Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances.
Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire.

On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong.
In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either.

Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene.

Off-season = best season
Arkhaz
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany89 Posts
May 08 2011 10:58 GMT
#286
sick pickup, grats to both
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
May 08 2011 11:03 GMT
#287
My favourite team acquires monster terran, mouz will be u-n-s-t-!o-p-a-b-l-e
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
PiRate647
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium187 Posts
May 08 2011 11:05 GMT
#288
Yeah, it was obvious some team would enlist him after how he has been performing
"Who always takes a taxi, but never pays a fare?" - "Vegeta!?" ||||exclusively a fan of RET!! .... and perhaps ClouD !
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
May 08 2011 11:05 GMT
#289
Isn't there some swedish tournament being played this afternoon? Sjow, thorzaihn, naniwa etc.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 08 2011 11:07 GMT
#290
On May 08 2011 19:48 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:
On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:
On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote:
In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):

Tier 1 Teams:
Dignitas
Fnatic
Liquid
Mouz
EG
ROOT

Tier 2 Teams:
Empire
Millenium
RoX
MYM
compLexity
FXO




I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot.


I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are.

RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results.

When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2.

And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet.

The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end.
.
Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances.
Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire.

On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong.
In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either.

Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene.


Yep pretty much in agreement with this. putting ROOT as a t1 team is especially lol, they have kiwikaki and thats about it. they are american though so may as well put them up there )
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
May 08 2011 11:13 GMT
#291
Amazing!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
May 08 2011 11:21 GMT
#292
On May 08 2011 19:48 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 17:23 Xeris wrote:
On May 08 2011 17:09 Casablancas wrote:
On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote:
In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):

Tier 1 Teams:
Dignitas
Fnatic
Liquid
Mouz
EG
ROOT

Tier 2 Teams:
Empire
Millenium
RoX
MYM
compLexity
FXO




I would say that Empire and Root should be in the same tier, and Col. and RoX should not be in tier 2 or you would have to expand that tier a lot.


I'm sorry but you can't put Empire and ROOT on the same level. ROOT got 2nd place in Machinima, and won SGL Season 1 and 2, and were 1 game away from making the GCPL playoffs. Empire finished 7th in GCPL. Sure they have players (Kas who is a BEAST) and Nerchio (who has been really really good lately) who perform well in individual events, but ROOT has been a class above Empire in every way. ROOT has proven that they belong in Tier 1 with their results in individual AND team events, Empire only has individual results, which can't really tell you how good of a TEAM they are.

RoX has won I believe 2/3 of the seasons of the Russian proleague. That's probably enough to put them in Tier 2 IMO. compLexity is doing really well in CEVO and ESEA, in addition to their individual results.

When making this unofficial ranking in my head, I weighted team stuff about 60% and individual stuff 40%. If you look at it like that, I don't see how you can say Empire should be on the same level as ROOT, or how coL and RoX shouldn't be on Tier 2.

And Rob -- I wouldn't add Sixjax on there until they accomplish something as a team, or individually, neither of which has happened yet.

The ignorance you display in your posts again and again is mindboggling. Its ok if you dont know that much about every team, but in that case you should refrain from doing judgements that make no sense in the end.
.
Ok Empire did not that good in ONE team league. That was mainly because Naniwa left them. While Kas won basically all his games in the league, Beastyqt lost all. Because in the end these team leagues are very much about individual performances.
Since then they have added Nerchio and Happy to their squad. I would say there is noone in europe that wins as much atm as Kas, Happy and Nerchio. That you didnt even mention Happy basically says all about your evaluation of Empire.

On top of that there was no 2v2 in GCPL, while there is in the upcoming EG tournament. And Empire has by chance the best 2v2 team in europe with Aristeo/Cubert. So if you want to stress the team aspect, they are indeed extremely strong.
In a format with 3 individual players and 1 2v2 team like in the EG tournament, I dont see any team in Europe that has a better squad then Empire. In NA of course not either.

Your assessment that Empire is not on the same level as ROOT is nothing but a joke. Although not a funny one when it comes from someone who is that important in the sc2 scene.


Also, don't count out FXO, with Sheth, Moonan, moonglade, optikzero etc... they have a very strong team
I have no quote!
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
May 08 2011 11:31 GMT
#293
On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote:
In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):

Tier 1 Teams:
Dignitas
Fnatic
Liquid
Mouz
EG
ROOT

Tier 2 Teams:
Empire
Millenium
RoX
MYM
compLexity
FXO




I would say that empire and MYM is better than root
-,-
trancey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany729 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 11:33:12
May 08 2011 11:32 GMT
#294
On May 08 2011 20:31 SayTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote:
In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):

Tier 1 Teams:
Dignitas
Fnatic
Liquid
Mouz
EG
ROOT

Tier 2 Teams:
Empire
Millenium
RoX
MYM
compLexity
FXO




I would say that empire and MYM is better than root
i'd say the same


good luck in mouse Thorzain!
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
May 08 2011 11:39 GMT
#295
On May 08 2011 20:31 SayTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote:
In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):

Tier 1 Teams:
Dignitas
Fnatic
Liquid
Mouz
EG
ROOT

Tier 2 Teams:
Empire
Millenium
RoX
MYM
compLexity
FXO




I would say that empire and MYM is better than root

Empire is a very strong team indeed, they deserve a lot more recognition, id put them above EG and Root
Moderator
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
May 08 2011 11:40 GMT
#296
http://iol.playdh.com/event/iol-season-33/iol-season-33-lan-finals-sc2/147/#/brackets

here's the brackets for today's IOL, don't think there's any livestream though
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
May 08 2011 11:43 GMT
#297
On May 08 2011 20:40 busbarn wrote:
http://iol.playdh.com/event/iol-season-33/iol-season-33-lan-finals-sc2/147/#/brackets

here's the brackets for today's IOL, don't think there's any livestream though


oh that sucks, I hope someone does a stream.
-,-
Casablancas
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark145 Posts
May 08 2011 11:43 GMT
#298
On May 08 2011 20:31 SayTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 15:03 Xeris wrote:
In my opinion (this is just my opinion so don't shoot me):

Tier 1 Teams:
Dignitas
Fnatic
Liquid
Mouz
EG
ROOT

Tier 2 Teams:
Empire
Millenium
RoX
MYM
compLexity
FXO




I would say that empire and MYM is better than root


Idd as I wrote earlier. Root is getting much attention because they are American but aside from Kiwikaki who maybe is on par with Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. they dont have any players who have accomplished anything besides high ladder and some online tournament results on the weakest three servers (KR/EU/US).
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
May 08 2011 11:43 GMT
#299
Congrats ThorZaIN, hope you'll be tearing things up in the major tournaments.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
May 08 2011 11:46 GMT
#300
my favourite clan gets thorzain , omg a dream comes true *_*
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 21 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 52m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft426
Livibee 86
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 41890
GuemChi 1046
BeSt 336
Larva 201
actioN 171
Sharp 108
yabsab 42
Backho 34
Noble 17
zelot 17
[ Show more ]
Bale 17
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm152
League of Legends
JimRising 534
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv608
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King167
Other Games
summit1g7054
C9.Mang0347
crisheroes242
Sick161
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick646
Counter-Strike
PGL71
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt485
• HappyZerGling208
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
1h 52m
KCM Race Survival
1h 52m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3h 52m
Classic vs Nicoract
herO vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs Gerald
Clem vs Krystianer
Replay Cast
15h 52m
Ultimate Battle
1d 3h
Light vs ZerO
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 3h
MaxPax vs Spirit
Rogue vs Bunny
Cure vs SHIN
Solar vs Zoun
Replay Cast
1d 15h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-04
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.