EPTProtoss typically defeat the other races by having an overwhelming mass. Warp Prisms would be awesome for providing reinforcements, but a pylon is cheaper and less risky in all aspects. Right now, it doesn't make sense to go Warp Prisms unless you have been contained and can't maintain the gas necessary to produce Collosi, Void Rays, or Carriers to cover your ground army.
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_Major
United States107 Posts
Protoss typically defeat the other races by having an overwhelming mass. Warp Prisms would be awesome for providing reinforcements, but a pylon is cheaper and less risky in all aspects. Right now, it doesn't make sense to go Warp Prisms unless you have been contained and can't maintain the gas necessary to produce Collosi, Void Rays, or Carriers to cover your ground army. | ||
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Homeless666
Czech Republic50 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
I want to see it, make it happen pros! | ||
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Homeless666
Czech Republic50 Posts
or blink upgrade Thats my point | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
Eliminate both the warp prism and the mother ship. Bring back Arbiters. Give cloaking ability to the warp prism. On a serious note, some of the suggestions, like using prisms to hold HT's to avoid getting emp'd, are really really scary to think about doing as a Toss. The prism can be emp'd, and then it dies about as fast as a zergling. With 4 HT's in it this would cost 400 minerals and 600 gas. Is this actually worth it for the life expectancy of a zergling? I'll even grant that it might have the life expectancy of a marine with combat shields. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
On May 09 2011 00:30 PopcornColonel wrote: I think the main problem for me is that it's WAY too risky. Zealot drops can be effective against lower level players, but when you get into higher leagues people pull their SCVs away before you can even get a kill in, and clearly zealots are mopped up by marauders/marines. 1 sentry (with at least 100 energy) with 3 zealots will stop them running as quick. Only them pulling before your units are out will complete avoid casualties. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
elevator: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197135 I'd also like to see terran or zerg make a force field on a ramp after doing this :/ Pretty awesome game: 7:00 onwards edit: not actually a glitch. | ||
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teedee
United Kingdom15 Posts
However, protoss has forcefileds. I'm working on carrying one sentry from early game with high energy, dropping and ff'ing the workers into a bunch then warping in zealots on top of them. needs work but has been effective.. | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
You can only get out one warp prism + 2 observers before robo bay is done. I have tried using them while going ht's and zealot charge for MUCH higher success. Here are some replays, mind you that I'm new to this style, and am just playing around with it, so my build order will be a little rough. But I believe this is the only way to play the drop style. http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=208005 http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=208006 | ||
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Xsoild
United States121 Posts
But you could go stray away from robo tech all together and go templar but with the recent nurfs that isnt really viable. you need the collsi to hold the early pressures. i feel templars are late game units. | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
On May 03 2011 06:50 Existor wrote: If you lost pylon, you can bring prizm and deploy it, because it's a mobile pylon. Plus, you can place any structure anywhere and then place pylon. So you will build pylon and gate/photon at same time With this there are only a few times you lose a pylon, When you FE'd and blocked yourself off, even then it'd probably be better to kill something else. They're in you're base. If you really get to the point where they're in your base but you still have a chance in the game, a warp prism isn't going to help, the range on the power is too small and it'll die much too fast. And really when would you want to build a gate and a pylon at the same time? The saved time only really does much in the early stages but then you wouldn't even have the tech and imo the 200 mineral investment isn't worth it. | ||
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Victim
United States188 Posts
Why spend 200 and robo time to make a warp prism when a 100 mineral pylon can do almost as much? | ||
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bardolph
6 Posts
1) Warp Prisms do not have a secondary function which is unrelated to dropping. Overlords provide supply and Medivacs provide healing, so players are going to be building these units even if they aren't planning to drop. A Protoss player who builds Warp Prisms is basically committing to the drop ahead of time. 2) The secondary function of the Warp Prism makes it ideal for launching a strong push, by dropping then warping in reinforcements. However, the Protoss player's ability to retreat after a drop is much lower. The Protoss player is essentially sacrificing those units in the hope that they cause enough damage to justify their cost. Terran and Zerg players can much more easily abort and retreat if a drop goes badly. 3) Protoss are generally much stronger when their units are in a big ball, rather than dispersed into small squads across the map. Harassment is a much bigger key to Terran victory than it is for Protoss. Less so for Zerg, which is why Overlord drops are much less frequent than Medivac drops. However, Zerg can benefit greatly from unit trading, so sacrificing units to a drop with the intention of macroing up a new army is a viable strategy for Zerg. Protoss just doesn't have much to gain from performing drops. | ||
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Dright
13 Posts
So far people have generally been talking like dropping is the only use of a warp prism. However after reading this I've been trying to use them a bit more. What I've found is that even if I never use it for drops it still ends up paying for itself. Instead of placing forward pylons that are likely to be picked off, I get a completely mobile pylon/elevator that can easily be brought with me wherever I go. It has been far better than a pylon because I can warp in more units on top of my army without worrying about collisions or pylon build times, even inside the enemy base, where it is significantly more difficult to place a pylon. Lack of speed just means that I can move at the same pace of the rest of my army without extra micro. I am a gold player with a high mineral macro style which I am trying to adapt from Adel's PvP style, so I typically have a large amount of excess minerals by the time I build my robo (usually after four gates and a forge). Even building a robo bay directly after the facility I am able to chronoboost out both my observer (first) and my warp prism (second) which is usually time for my second push. I research speed when thermal lance is done (If the game gets to that point). -Dright | ||
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Zaganna
Italy17 Posts
The Analysis of the Warp Prism is good, but if a unit is not being used much is not meaning that is useless. About the warp Prism, we can say that i the best drop unit of all the game, or we can say it's the worst. It depends which side you spot. It has less hit point, yes! It needs a factory for being built, yes! However, it can drop an endless number of unit, since it's a mobile phylon, and you can warp all the unit you want for any purpose: proxy attack, stalkers harras, sneaky dt harras. The only thing important is if you want to return with your unit via ground or via air (in this case you must not produce too much) | ||
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JustinHit
United States196 Posts
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On May 10 2011 05:04 Minigun wrote: I have been playing around with this a lot lately. You can only get out one warp prism + 2 observers before robo bay is done. I have tried using them while going ht's and zealot charge for MUCH higher success. Here are some replays, mind you that I'm new to this style, and am just playing around with it, so my build order will be a little rough. But I believe this is the only way to play the drop style. http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=208005 http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=208006 I used a style similar to this a while ago, getting drops early and then getting fast storm behind it. I found that it was hard to hold against strong bio play and 1 base pushes, since warp prism+3-4 zealots is a large investment. If you have any replays where you don't go 15 nexus and kill 5 marines for free I think those would be more instructive. | ||
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AnAlbumCover
United States138 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
I guess warp prism is an easy way for a toss to kill their way up to diamond atleast just by using this 200 mineral drop ship. (other drops are more expensiv because they need to be filled, warp prism is actually the fastest cheapest drop unit ingame ^^) | ||
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fizix
United States44 Posts
The strongest drop I can conceive of is 3DT+1 sentry. But I think it's how you follow up with it that really the most powerful. Has anyone ever considered dropping the units on the move through the mineral line and then flying the WP to the expo to warp in units? It's a 2 pronged attack coming from one source, and even if they see it they will probably only react to one of the drops, at the same time you can choose to move out with your army and attack the third. After warping in units in the natural you can send the WP to join the main army for quicker reinforcements. This is just my theorycrafting at work, you can turn 1 drop into 2 simultaneous drops. | ||
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