EPTI dont understand it (rarely playing (especially 1v1), gold league, random player here), know nothing of the timings and such, but this is the most intense MU from all 6. So much micro, tiny little things, and yet not boring as PvP. ZvZ is awesome. TvT is just like any other non-mirror matchup, terran is so diverse by itself.
EG.IdrA vs FXOSheth Showmatch - Page 20
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shinarit
Hungary900 Posts
I dont understand it (rarely playing (especially 1v1), gold league, random player here), know nothing of the timings and such, but this is the most intense MU from all 6. So much micro, tiny little things, and yet not boring as PvP. ZvZ is awesome. TvT is just like any other non-mirror matchup, terran is so diverse by itself. | ||
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Igaryu85
Germany195 Posts
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r3SpaVVn
Germany109 Posts
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DoubleB
Germany870 Posts
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theMarkovian
Netherlands183 Posts
On May 03 2011 17:57 Igaryu85 wrote: I was suprised Idra won this so decisively, I wonder if his ZvT and ZvP have improved...really didnt like how he was playing against MC and Cruncher. Yes, go watch the IPL and all his NASL games. Since TSL and Dreamhack, he has been destroying everyone left and right. The initial indicators were already present in his games during MLG and DH, but he's only been getting better since. And so much more diverse! | ||
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sYnRoscoe
United States149 Posts
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
That said, I think ZvZ is not Sheths best matchup. I'd really love to see him play some more showmatches vs Terran and Protoss pro players. It would also give him some extra training/experience versus this class of players... eagerly awaiting!  | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
In game 1 Idra takes guys off gas after speed, why not leave them in for a quicker baneling nest if you're gonna 1 base? Throughout game 1, Idra takes out, and puts guys back in gas literally 4-5 times. I don't really understand what the cues were for him to do that. How do you know when you do/don't need gas during those baneling wars? game 2, Idra went 15 hatch, then 17 extractor into 16 pool. That's pretty late :o I'm assuming that he was assuming that Sheth was gonna hatch first as well. When both players hatch first, Is it better to just play defensive with banelings? Idra seemed to take a lead in game 2 doing this. What was the reasoning for going for a roach timing in game 3 instead of ling/bane? Would that have worked just as well on metalopolis? Why go ling/bane there and roaches on scrap? This would be pretty educational if I understood why Idra was winning! | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:44 Tachion wrote: This would be pretty educational if I understood why Idra was winning! This is why SotG MUST get 20k viewers! | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:27 r3SpaVVn wrote: i think it was easier for idra because sheth was streaming while playing the showmatch and commentating the whole time... i think because of talking the whole time, he wasn't focusing on the game 100% That's a very convenient excuse... Seemed to me whenever anything intensive was happening Sheth didn't talk anyway. Only inbetween. | ||
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JustPlay
United States211 Posts
So annoying watching a vod when you can't get the information you wan/that is important. Idra isn't winning because of the ling/bling exchanges, he's winning because he is uing larva much more efficiently for workers, but I am wondering how much more efficiently. | ||
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DaeWang790
United States74 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:44 Tachion wrote: So I just saw these games, and as a master's Zerg, they confused the shit out of me. In game 1 Idra takes guys off gas after speed, why not leave them in for a quicker baneling nest if you're gonna 1 base? Throughout game 1, Idra takes out, and puts guys back in gas literally 4-5 times. I don't really understand what the cues were for him to do that. How do you know when you do/don't need gas during those baneling wars? game 2, Idra went 15 hatch, then 17 extractor into 16 pool. That's pretty late :o I'm assuming that he was assuming that Sheth was gonna hatch first as well. When both players hatch first, Is it better to just play defensive with banelings? Idra seemed to take a lead in game 2 doing this. What was the reasoning for going for a roach timing in game 3 instead of ling/bane? Would that have worked just as well on metalopolis? Why go ling/bane there and roaches on scrap? This would be pretty educational if I understood why Idra was winning! I don't know too much about idra taking drones in and out of gas, but I'm guessing it has to do with keeping a certain amount of gas at all times in case of building banelings. idra has said that if you get speedlings, and your opponent has only speedlings, you get a baneling nest to punish him. Once the opponent gets banelings of his own, you start playing defensive with banelings, because idra states that "defensive baneling always beats offensive baneling." On scrap, I'm guessing that it has to do more with scouting than anything else. It didn't seem like idra got really good scouting on metalopolis, so he wouldn't know if there was a mass speedling baneling all in. On scrap; however, it's much easier to scout with an overlord and see what's going on. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
On May 04 2011 01:55 Irave wrote: This will be fun to watch, go Sheth! This was yesterday and has ended,Idra won 3-0 | ||
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Taiyoken
Canada130 Posts
It seems Baneling opener is the new standard is ZvZ?, so when Idra got a 17gas/16 pool he most likely wanted to play defensive, and getting a Baneling nest reduces your total ling count so he probably thought his drones could take the initial lings if anything. It paid off though, as Idra's economy was ridiculous compared to Sheth's. | ||
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Invoker
Belgium686 Posts
On May 03 2011 08:02 Cajun2k1 wrote: Because of the high-paced games where there's action going on from minute one, instead of the 'lets sit inside my base while I wait for 200/200' kind of games. Cuz it's the absolute best mu, right now. I'm sick of GSL's TvT. And the general PvP. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On May 03 2011 17:57 Igaryu85 wrote: I was suprised Idra won this so decisively, I wonder if his ZvT and ZvP have improved...really didnt like how he was playing against MC and Cruncher. Wow, really? I thought he played beautifully against MC even though he lost. And the game he won against Cruncher was just phenomenal and total proof that Idra's a top, top, top(that's three tops) zerg. | ||
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Hybris
United States185 Posts
On May 04 2011 03:21 Invoker wrote: Cuz it's the absolute best mu, right now. I'm sick of GSL's TvT. And the general PvP. I don't know how people can pick mirror matches over non-mirror matches ever lol. ZvZ is my least favorite mirror to watch on top of that. | ||
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