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On May 03 2011 03:56 mpf189 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 03:55 Megatronn wrote: I've seen IdrA get beat by MoMan a lot on ladder. Interesting, not long ago saw Idra dominate moman on ladder twice in a row. They might meat a lot, but up until recently I always thought MoMan's ZvZ was untouchable. Then IdrA started doing really well in ZvZ.
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On May 03 2011 03:54 Postman wrote:Nestea has better ZvZ, but in the non-Korean scene the only zerg that's close to Idra's ZvZ is probably Dimaga.
would love too see a Nestea vs Idra zvz. Then you could say something like that. Otherwise who knows both of their zvz's are insanely good right now ^_^.
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On May 03 2011 03:55 BronzeKnee wrote: I might put up 50 bucks for Idra vs CrunCher in a best of five... I wonder if they would play for that.
im sure alot of people wont even watch cruncher for $400 SM, not a fan of him, much more of dislike
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Was very cool to watch.
Although from a non zerg players PoV i have no idea why anyone wins or loses in ZvZ. It's very confusing at sometimes it even seems random (although i know it's not).
Also, every time it comes down to a baneling vs zergling micro war i find myself screaming at my monitor to "look out Sheth!"
Looking forward to any future showmatches! :D
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It was really one sided :/ I really enjoyed it don't get me wrong but it felt like Idra(<3 <3 LOVE U IDRA <3 <3) was always tech faster then sheth.
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On May 03 2011 04:02 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 03:54 Postman wrote:On May 03 2011 03:51 asdfTT123 wrote: Idra = JvZ of SC2? :O Nestea has better ZvZ, but in the non-Korean scene the only zerg that's close to Idra's ZvZ is probably Dimaga. would love too see a Nestea vs Idra zvz. Then you could say something like that. Otherwise who knows both of their zvz's are insanely good right now ^_^. They've played each other on IdrA's stream before, when he was on the Korean ladder. They both took games off of each other, so my guess is it's mostly a coin flip of build orders.
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Well I think I will be going for IdrA over Sen in my NASL liquibet.
GG to both, Sheth so manner <3
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On May 03 2011 04:01 Megatronn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 03:56 mpf189 wrote:On May 03 2011 03:55 Megatronn wrote: I've seen IdrA get beat by MoMan a lot on ladder. Interesting, not long ago saw Idra dominate moman on ladder twice in a row. They might meat a lot, but up until recently I always thought MoMan's ZvZ was untouchable. Then IdrA started doing really well in ZvZ.
Moman's zvz untouchable? What are you smoking lol :D
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On May 03 2011 04:05 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 04:02 blade55555 wrote:On May 03 2011 03:54 Postman wrote:On May 03 2011 03:51 asdfTT123 wrote: Idra = JvZ of SC2? :O Nestea has better ZvZ, but in the non-Korean scene the only zerg that's close to Idra's ZvZ is probably Dimaga. would love too see a Nestea vs Idra zvz. Then you could say something like that. Otherwise who knows both of their zvz's are insanely good right now ^_^. They've played each other on IdrA's stream before, when he was on the Korean ladder. They both took games off of each other, so my guess is it's mostly a coin flip of build orders.
In my opinion, in ZvZ, Idra ~= Nestea ~= Dimaga. Not sure where Sen stands in this because ZvZ was a MU that gave him a lot of trouble back in Beta and was his worst by far. However, he 2-0'd Zenio recently and seems to be doing a lot better. Still, Idra's ZvZ has always been his strongest MU or tied for strongest MU. His understanding of the MU is deep and his play refined. It's the one MU that he does not seem to lose to random chance in, at least in tournaments.
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From watching his stream a lot, idra's biggest weakness in ZvZ is the micro slip.
One small instance of 10 zerglings hitting a baneling can lose you a game.
Considering IdrA plays around 160~ APM, it's not surprising he would sometimes have a accident and lose because of this, ZvZ is arguably the most micro-intensive matchup until roaches are out, even moreso than 4gate vs 4gate protoss. Zealot/stalker are slower and beefier units in lower numbers.
EVERY zerg fails a few ZvZ games because of this though, even nestea.
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Even though the result never looked much in doubt, it was enjoyable to see these two players in a showmatch.
On May 03 2011 04:06 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 04:01 Megatronn wrote:On May 03 2011 03:56 mpf189 wrote:On May 03 2011 03:55 Megatronn wrote: I've seen IdrA get beat by MoMan a lot on ladder. Interesting, not long ago saw Idra dominate moman on ladder twice in a row. They might meat a lot, but up until recently I always thought MoMan's ZvZ was untouchable. Then IdrA started doing really well in ZvZ. Moman's zvz untouchable? What are you smoking lol :D
I would also like to know when MoMan's ZvZ was ever looking 'untouchable'.
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So I heard the letter I on the keyboard is right above the letter J.
Jvz + IvZ. Coincidence? I think not.
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On May 03 2011 04:03 starfish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 03:55 BronzeKnee wrote: I might put up 50 bucks for Idra vs CrunCher in a best of five... I wonder if they would play for that. im sure alot of people wont even watch cruncher for $400 SM, not a fan of him, much more of dislike
I love how you equate your view as everyone else's view. Just because you don't like him that means everyone else doesn't like him? Brilliant logic.
I'm willing to bet that Cruncher vs Idra would bring in way more viewers than Sheth vs Idra today.
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Since it was lost in the flood of post game comments, I'll ask again if there is more information on Idra's roach speedling timing push in ZvZ? A thread? I couldn't find anything. ;
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On May 03 2011 04:05 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 04:02 blade55555 wrote:On May 03 2011 03:54 Postman wrote:On May 03 2011 03:51 asdfTT123 wrote: Idra = JvZ of SC2? :O Nestea has better ZvZ, but in the non-Korean scene the only zerg that's close to Idra's ZvZ is probably Dimaga. would love too see a Nestea vs Idra zvz. Then you could say something like that. Otherwise who knows both of their zvz's are insanely good right now ^_^. They've played each other on IdrA's stream before, when he was on the Korean ladder. They both took games off of each other, so my guess is it's mostly a coin flip of build orders.
Oh yeah I know that I was more meaning a tournament/showmatch bo5 or something without latency. I mean I know that won't happen unless nestea goes too a foreign tournament and meets up with idra or vice versa. But I imagine their both pretty evenly matched against one another ^_^.
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I think idra realized just when the game starts, that he get's 300$ per hour of coaching, and only 200$ if he wins showmatch, so he went in bossmode and did it in less than an hour, just so it would be cost effecitve!
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What was the final score?
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Where are the results for this?
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On May 03 2011 05:02 Headshot wrote: Where are the results for this? Results: + Show Spoiler +
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