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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
What i noticed at first - Quality is 1080p, Seriuosly it looks like your watching a dvd! - Audio is amazing, Its crisp, sharp, response is good. - Custom artwork for the players, Almost resembles street fighter! - Professional casters that have a lot of experience in the casting field? YES PLEASE. Leave a comment of your own, why you think this stream / league is amazing or if your disappointed :D | ||
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nkwd
United States99 Posts
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AimForTheBushes
United States1760 Posts
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nuMi22
United Kingdom165 Posts
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Gabb
United States63 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:15 AimForTheBushes wrote: yeah, it's pretty good..but worth a thread? Of course it's worthy of a thread! :D | ||
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Kerl
Germany74 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
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Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:15 AimForTheBushes wrote: yeah, it's pretty good..but worth a thread? Hell yea its worth it's own thread! | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:15 AimForTheBushes wrote: yeah, it's pretty good..but worth a thread? Its worth more than a thread, IPL just laid down the bare minimum of production value for North American tournaments. Fans everywhere should be rejoicing. | ||
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Inertia_EU
United Kingdom513 Posts
I love it! | ||
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lowkontrast
United States855 Posts
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Brad
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
You surpass every expectation i had BY FAR! And if i imagine that this is a TEST RUN, and that you'll certianly improve, i'm looking forward to more. | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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Razvy
United States132 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
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Poyo
Canada790 Posts
Very impressive. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Whiplash wrote: I tuned in to watch it and was instantly impressed. The production quality is INCREDIBLE. This is what the NASL should have been. Yeah, because NASL is a thing of the past, the mistakes they made banished the league to the graveyard, it's horrible and not worth our time. /sarcasm | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
Why is it great you may ask? 5 reasons 1.casters are great and exciting 2.Player line up is great all of the NA players you know and love 3. stream is free, you can watch HQ for free 4. No lag or commericials on stream 5. graphics and lay out are amazing to sum it up this is a very proffessional run tournament and very entertaning. stream link:http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IGNProLeague | ||
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tarpman
Canada719 Posts
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Eppa! wrote: Having no analytical commentators is pretty annoying. wait for painuser. He's definitely good | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
Stream quality and audio quality Post-game splash screens with stylistic custom artwork and never-before-seen analysis amazing players and game quality Pretty much everything important. The not as good: No casting duos? player name announcer has Korean accent. Wat. Justin.tv (just because its the best so far doesn't mean it can't be improved :p) | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
idrajit Greg Fields: ipl quality is amazing this looks like watching the korean gsl stream from korea http://www.ign.com/ipl IPL>NASL | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
Thank you for delivering on your hype. | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:15 nkwd wrote: no 30 min pre-show! In what universe is having this option a bad thing? I really want to know. If you don't like it then tune in when the game starts and don't watch the pre-show. It literally is the EXACT same as not having the show..... | ||
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Lumin
United States217 Posts
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luckylefty
United States272 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Eppa! wrote: Having no analytical commentators is pretty annoying. I agree, listening to Wheat commentate alone is kind of annoying, just a wall of talking where he describes what's going on. It would be much better with a player cocasting. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
that said IGN obv has more money than NASL, but I hope NASL gets better over time :D | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:21 Lumin wrote: Just turned off NASL and turned on this league. same lol, I was going to force myself to watch nasl but I saw this other IPL thingy on the TL stream page...I click it and my life is changed. | ||
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
Also, it'd be appreciated if totalbiscuit could lower his wpm by about a hundred, down to 400 wpm. Lastly, it's interesting to see a non-starcraft related organization's take on running a sc2 tournament. The whole cartoon/fighting game style player A vs player B thing was really cool between the matches. Looking forward to see what else they have in store. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
Looking forward to NASL to recuperate from their problems until I can fathom staying awake for GSL again. ^^ Edit: Oh lawd, the editing is fantastic. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
Still waiting for an American league (not MLG "events") that can be a big enough draw to cast/produce live though. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
 IGN has extremely impressed me. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
I just wish NASL and this weren't at the same time :\ Now I will have to pay the 25 bucks for the NASL VODS | ||
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AimForTheBushes
United States1760 Posts
Still better than NASL for me today though, seeing as how I can't even get that stream for some reason.  | ||
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Inkcrow
United Kingdom215 Posts
Its kicking so much ass, The chatroom is full of praise HQ stream and sound two of the most awesome commentators one after another | ||
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kagemucha
United States326 Posts
NASL: 5938 viewers Enough said! | ||
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Haggis
Scotland104 Posts
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
I love NASL and inc but if they want to compete, surely NASL must now step up. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:21 Zeri wrote: In what universe is having this option a bad thing? I really want to know. If you don't like it then tune in when the game starts and don't watch the pre-show. It literally is the EXACT same as not having the show..... I agree with you in part, complaining a ton about a pre-show is dumb because you can just ignore it as though it was never there. However, some people want that analysis, map introduction and player introduction... Just not in such a huge chunk. I would love a mini-preshow of about 3-4 minutes before every match instead of a long-ass pre-show at the start of the cast. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:26 bokchoi wrote: 1080p would be bluray quality.. 480p is dvd quality xDD.. but yeah it looks freaking sweet. the only downside is that ign wasn't able to secure guest accounts and people were able to search match history to figure out the progress of the tournament Someone should tell them about cloaked maps. they have the reach to quickly recruit someone to make cloaked versions of all the maps in their league | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:27 redviper wrote: How is their stream so good through justin.tv and NASL stream was having so much trouble also on justin.tv? Some have professional ressources / staff, some don't. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
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TyPsi5
United States204 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:27 redviper wrote: How is their stream so good through justin.tv and NASL stream was having so much trouble also on justin.tv? A good deal of NASL's issues are in how they are recording and encoding their videos | ||
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Lumin
United States217 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Also, it seems like some people in here don't want NASL to succeed. It's not about one over the other, guys. | ||
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:27 AimForTheBushes wrote: Think alot of you guys are getting blinded by the superior production. All these game today are lopsided and fairly uninteresting matchups. (Aagh? Machine? Vibe?) Can't really get excited for those guys, and it just feels like I'm watching a cast of random games on youtube, only I get pretty graphics in between games. Still better than NASL for me today though, seeing as how I can't even get that stream for some reason. Well we're only talking about production right now. Obviously the quality of the games themselves are outside of anyone's control. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
You can have a league with the best of the best and a TON of prize money, but if your production lacks then people won't watch if there is an alternative that is done well, even if the players aren't the most elite nor the prize pool as big It sucks for NASL, because they do this day by day and the IPL matches were done a week in advance IIRC. Hopefully this will turn out better as time goes on (for NASL). | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:28 Elefanto wrote: Some have professional ressources / staff, some don't. The IPL is done by volunteers from wellplayed.org (apparently i read this in the IPL thread) You could say they are just as understaffed as NASL is | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:28 Elefanto wrote: Some have professional ressources / staff, some don't. nope if u read the ign thread all this is made by a website called wellplayed.org and it is all produced by VOLUNTEERS with little to zero experience in this kind of stuff. They are firsties just like nasl. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:27 kagemucha wrote: IGN: 10,420 viewers NASL: 5938 viewers Enough said! Indeed. I just randomly tuned in at the end of the first Machine/SeleCT game and was absolutely blown away by the quality of the overlay as well as the graphics and stuff that showed up at the end. I knew the SCR/WellPlayed guys would be good, but this just blows me away! I'm so excited for this! | ||
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tellit
Canada53 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
No commercials! I just realized! LOL. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
Absolutely amazing. NASL has some serious competition. | ||
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Gimix
United States67 Posts
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H4yd3n
United States11 Posts
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
The NASL has live casters in a studio, players playing live and more analysis, its a completely different ball game production wise to film live in a studio, you simply can't compare the two. IPL is amazing yes, but they aren't working on the same scale as NASL. | ||
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chriswaustin
Canada27 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:27 AimForTheBushes wrote: Think alot of you guys are getting blinded by the superior production. All these game today are lopsided and fairly uninteresting matchups. (Aagh? Machine? Vibe?) Can't really get excited for those guys, and it just feels like I'm watching a cast of random games on youtube, only I get pretty graphics in between games. Still better than NASL for me today though, seeing as how I can't even get that stream for some reason. i agree. the fancy graphics and stuff are just a novelty. people tend to focus too much on "production value" and "casters" while not enough people focus on the damn good players that produce great games. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
Everything else looks very nice. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:30 Golgotha wrote: nope if u read the ign thread all this is made by a website called wellplayed.org and it is all produced by VOLUNTEERS with little to zero experience in this kind of stuff. They are firsties just like nasl. They aren't "firsties", they've had a bit more experience, additionally the folks at IGN do obviously have additional resources. Obviously the IPL is much better produced than the NASL, but let's not make it seem as though the people at the NASL are just entirely incompetent while the people running the IPL are equally inexperienced but competent. The IPL has a few hard working people with some experience and access to many resources. | ||
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meep
United States1699 Posts
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SlipperySnake
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:29 Doodsmack wrote: Also, it seems like some people in here don't want NASL to succeed. It's not about one over the other, guys. It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting. IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:35 divito wrote: It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting. IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down. You're comparing a game that was recorded a week in advance to live casting. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
So far really impressive from IGN - awesome production value and well executed. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:37 Doodsmack wrote: You're comparing a game that was recorded a week in advance to live casting. Yeah... Nasl isn't live dude >.> | ||
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Jtn
444 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:37 Doodsmack wrote: You're comparing a game that was recorded a week in advance to live casting. Hate to break it to you this way, but....NASL is not live. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:29 adeezy wrote: The IPL is done by volunteers from wellplayed.org (apparently i read this in the IPL thread) You could say they are just as understaffed as NASL is correct me if I'm wrong but isn't wellplayed the reddit group that did all those invitationals? and they do have a sizeable staff it looks like from their website and the video they made about who they where | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:35 SlipperySnake wrote: The only trouble with the league is that the casting is freaking terrible. For me it was just unwatchable, I was able to stand like 5 minutes of Wheat and 30 seconds of TotalBiscuit. They either need to get better casters (probably not the best solution) or get dual casters. I would tune in to a grunting hobbit casting a match before I ever unmute Gretorp. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
Morrow vs TLO and Moon vs Vibe And just as I said that the stream lags a bit | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:38 Jtn wrote: Hate to break it to you this way, but....NASL is not live. Right, but the casting is recorded while the game is happening, and it's aired only a couple hours later, am I right? | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
Nonetheless, the tournament is still amazing! I just watch on mute~ So awesome! | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:32 emythrel wrote: the production is amazing, but they are casting from replays and not live games which helps with quality, the casts are recorded prolly with fraps by the casters and then the production team put on all the sexy gfx. The NASL has live casters in a studio, players playing live and more analysis, its a completely different ball game production wise to film live in a studio, you simply can't compare the two. IPL is amazing yes, but they aren't working on the same scale as NASL. Yeah, but because of the way NASL is run, none of those things were really necessary. Casting from live games is cool, but if it's online then does it really make a difference that it's not a live-cast of a replay? The format is basically the same, only they've tightened their time frame at the NASL and given themselves less production and wiggle room. It's still an online tournament, it's still not streamed live, they could literally just be casting from replays and give themselves an additional buffer and nothing would change on the viewer end except they'd have more time to polish their production. Right now, the NASL has the potential for better games, but the IPL undoubtedly has the better quality production. I wish the IPL had a strong casting duo though, I am just not a fan of single casting. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:29 Doodsmack wrote: Also, it seems like some people in here don't want NASL to succeed. It's not about one over the other, guys. When they're on at the same time, and I didn't pay $25 for the NASL VODs, then yes, it is one over the other. And right now, for me, IGN is winning. I just really have to commend them for putting on such a quality program, absolutely free. What true ballers. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:35 divito wrote: It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting. IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down. That is true, but the thing is, IGN isn't playing these games day by day, IIRC, these games were done 1/2 weeks ago so they had quite a lot of time to prepare... Don't think it is quite fair to compare the production value because NASL only has a day or two to get everything ready for the next show... | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
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UberThing
Great Britain410 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:27 AimForTheBushes wrote: Think alot of you guys are getting blinded by the superior production. All these game today are lopsided and fairly uninteresting matchups. (Aagh? Machine? Vibe?) Can't really get excited for those guys, and it just feels like I'm watching a cast of random games on youtube, only I get pretty graphics in between games. Still better than NASL for me today though, seeing as how I can't even get that stream for some reason. That's because it's a test run. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:40 Meta wrote: When they're on at the same time, and I didn't pay $25 for the NASL VODs, then yes, it is one over the other. And right now, for me, IGN is winning. I just really have to commend them for putting on such a quality program, absolutely free. What true ballers. It's "one over the other" in the sense that you can't watch both at the same time. That's obvious. But should we ignore NASL and focus on IGN completely? | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:41 Dommk wrote: That is true, but the thing is, IGN isn't playing these games day by day, IIRC, these games were done 1/2 weeks ago so they had quite a lot of time to prepare... Don't think it is quite fair to compare the production value because NASL only has a day or two to get everything ready for the next show... Yeah, but once again... WHY? If they had recorded the first set a week in advance, they could have had a week buffer for each set at the NASL, they could have live-casted from replays even and no one would have noticed anything on the viewer end. They would just have had more time to polish and improve their quality. If you're not doing an actual in person, live tournament... then why does any of that shit matter? | ||
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chriswaustin
Canada27 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Rotating casters is interesting too! | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
Nice job IGN! | ||
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Lumin
United States217 Posts
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pikaaarrr :3
United States593 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:43 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, but once again... WHY? If they had recorded the first set a week in advance, they could have had a week buffer for each set at the NASL, they could have live-casted from replays even and no one would have noticed anything on the viewer end. They would just have had more time to polish and improve their quality. If you're not doing an actual in person, live tournament... then why does any of that shit matter? The community complained enough that NASL wasn't going to be live... | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
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speakerbox
Canada453 Posts
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
But right now I'm watching IPL. And NASL is on. Its that simple. edit/ OK totalbiscuit is turning me off really fast rofl. I think the casters are the one thing they need to work on. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
Kudos to the IGNPL staff! | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:39 Doodsmack wrote: Right, but the casting is recorded while the game is happening, and it's aired only a couple hours later, am I right? right but instead of a couple hours it is now a few days. I'll also say it's not "one or the other" for sure though. | ||
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Snoman
Canada191 Posts
Guess certain commentators aren't for everyone. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
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Jayrod
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storm44
1293 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:45 stevarius wrote: Totalbiscuit online. I just had a nerdgasm. I advise anyone not watching this stream to tune in and have their eyes and ears glued as it's pretty awesome. I'm glad a larger tournament is featuring TB as a caster. :D total opposite opinion from me =( his voice sounds really fake to me and I know he has a lot of fans but his style is not for me. | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
Poll: NASL vs IGN Proleague, Which do you prefer ? IGN Proleague (93) NASL (18) 111 total votes Your vote: NASL vs IGN Proleague, Which do you prefer ? | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
So many good games to choose from, if you focus on just one league then it is your loss  | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:41 Dommk wrote: That is true, but the thing is, IGN isn't playing these games day by day, IIRC, these games were done 1/2 weeks ago so they had quite a lot of time to prepare... Don't think it is quite fair to compare the production value because NASL only has a day or two to get everything ready for the next show... Honestly, this may be a little harsh, but does it really matter? What matters is what is more enjoyable and more succesfull. If NASL chose a system they cant handle and would be more sucessful with another system, it's their fault, and if they would attract more viewers as a smaller league, perhaps they shouldn't have tried to grow that big that fast. Still, they may fix a lot of things and stop looking this bad, so it may be too soon to say it was a mistake. | ||
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yoplate
United States332 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
TSL3 player lineup + NASL prizepool + IGN/Reddit production values + DH stream quality + GSL scheduling = perfect tournament. | ||
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:47 SKC wrote: Honestly, this may be a little harsh, but does it really matter? What matters is what is more enjoyable and more succesfull. If NASL chose a system they cant handle and would be more sucessful with another system, it's their fault, and if they would attract more viewers as a smaller league, perhaps they shouldn't have tried to grow that big that fast. Still, they may fix a lot of things and stop looking this bad, so it may be too soon to say it was a mistake. This. To the viewer, IPL blows NASL out of the water. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:44 Doodsmack wrote: The community complained enough that NASL wasn't going to be live... Yeah, but when you're not going to be live, then all the other shit doesn't matter anyways so you might as well discard all of that as well. If they were going to be completely live, I would understand. Even then, I'd sort of be a little confused as to what the point was if it's not an in-person tournament. As it stands, them live-casting... live-games make no difference, they could be casting replays for all it matters... | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
Pretty fricken awesome | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:44 Torte de Lini wrote: Whoa, the "win" animation, backdrop results page, etc. is a very nice touch. Rotating casters is interesting too! Oh! They rotated the casters!! Shweet. I like NASL and IPL equally, but the latter is definitely growing on me. | ||
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DevilofDeath
United States73 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Of course I wasn't really expecting much in terms of quality of games, considering this is their first season and the players are mostly invites. But still Select's games were pretty good, since I'm a Select fan myself. But yeah, they need to get more color commentators (analysts)... Day9 maybe. Wheat on his own is pretty bad actually and TB is kind of annoying, but again with a pair it could be pretty alright. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:47 Dommk wrote: Can't even fathom why some people would choose one or the other...I just watch which ever has the better games going on. i.e Watching IGN's Stalife vs Kiwikaki then moved onto NASL to watch Whitera vs Sjow, then I'm going to switch back and watch the remaining Idra vs Fenix followed by Aghs vs Catz + Mini vs Vibe So many good games to choose from, if you focus on just one league then it is your loss for the casual gamers it isnt even about the players. they want to complain about graphics or casters. | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
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TyPsi5
United States204 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:48 FakePlasticLove wrote: This. To the viewer, IPL blows NASL out of the water. blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you.. it got turned off as soon as TB came on.. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:49 Z3kk wrote: Oh! They rotated the casters!! Shweet. I like NASL and IPL equally, but the latter is definitely growing on me. Yeah and TB is a badasssssssss | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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SaLaYa
United States363 Posts
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
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TheLardyGooser
Canada145 Posts
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
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Pwnergizer Bunny
United States110 Posts
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Eppa! wrote: Having no analytical commentators is pretty annoying. Only downfall IMO, but I am not complaining. It is a great show to watch. | ||
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MileyCyrus
United States285 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
Also, I can easily just check out the VODs for the IPL at any time for free. | ||
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askTeivospy
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
Still, we should keep being nice to the IPL so they spoil us more, that way even GOM may fear going down in the pecking order of the community, 'cause really, half of what keeps GOM up there is Tastosis Edit: ^^^ You know, some people don't want to know what you just said... | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
i understand that NASL has a gigantic prize pool though, and are looking to make some back in stream fees so that's fine. however, the 30 minute preshow could be fine tuned | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
2 casters would be ideal but wheat and TB are doing a good job soloing it so far. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:52 TyPsi5 wrote: blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you.. it got turned off as soon as TB came on.. Heh i had to mute him so i could watch idra but not rage cause of terrible casting. | ||
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:52 TyPsi5 wrote: blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you.. it got turned off as soon as TB came on.. Take a look at the viewer count. TB is loved by many whether he appeals to you personally or not. Wheat is also a great caster and the IPL is so far amazing and noone can deny that it's making the NASL league look terrible especially considering they're trying to charge $25 for their service. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:49 Elefanto wrote: The Ign guy on State of the Game kept word, the production value is astounding. I was thinking that, he must be so fucking happy right now - because this is a treat to watch. Casting is excellent, love TB - but because he is an acquired taste it works perfectly to have multiple casters. Production quality is second only to GSL. Shows what you can do with good application rather than throwing money and words around. | ||
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SiCkO_
United States481 Posts
what would be great if these two leagues worked with each other like MBC Game and OGN to create a really great system with high quality and great games | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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Andtwo
United States126 Posts
The post game screen and animations are kinda neat too. | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:57 Engore wrote: Heh i had to mute him so i could watch idra but not rage cause of terrible casting. Really? I was the opposite lol >< Muted djwheat and instantly unmuted once I realized that they rotated the casters. What do you find bad about totalbiscuit? Edit: oh never mind he has less experience with SC I think Oh snap, the animations they have look like street fighter (the win animation ) and general awesomeness. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
Quick transitions, nice graphics, good video/ audio. Simple, effective, and I love it. | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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qdenser
Canada133 Posts
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viletomato
Canada277 Posts
more knowledgeable casters. | ||
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FearGorm
United States112 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:20 Poyo wrote: I do love the street fighter theme, and its quite obvious professionals are behind the scene. Very impressive. Professionals indeed! | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:55 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: Very nice from the IPL, but people trash talking the NASL are seriously getting out of proportion... not even GOM has this kind of production, and it's simple enough why: Rupert Murdoch. If you can't really see the difference that was to be expected between a Rupert Murdoch owned company and seven amateur esports fans, no matter how you try to spin it, what you're saying is that you want the NASL to fail. Unless what you're trying to say is that you want all media billionaires in the world to get into esports. In that case, I'm all ears as to how you're going to do it. Still, we should keep being nice to the IPL so they spoil us more, that way even GOM may fear going down in the pecking order of the community, 'cause really, half of what keeps GOM up there is Tastosis I would still consider the GSL to have superior quality in addition to the added excitement of being a live LAN tournament, but your point is fair. GSL is still going to be the top dog though until someone can come up with a LAN tournament with a fantastic top player list and the production quality of the IPL. | ||
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GriNn
United States243 Posts
Dislike solo casting Games not nearly as high-level as NASL. | ||
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applejuice
307 Posts
But it does need two casters, of course. But for a test league, this is amazing. | ||
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Esper
United States87 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:52 TyPsi5 wrote: blows NASL out of the water? maybe to you.. it got turned off as soon as TB came on.. Casters aside... IGN looks like a broadcast and a tournament which was carefully planned, and with great effort put into it. It's like experienced, professional people did it. NASL looks like it was planned and put together by a bunch of amateurs and everything about it was just sloppy. Yeah sure, NASL's got the bigger prize pool and better players. But you gotta remember that this is IGN's first season which they've already said is just a preview for what's to come. NASL didn't bother with this and instead tried to get themselves into more than what they could handle. It's pretty clear who planned better. Based on sheer potential alone, IGN looks like it has more potential to do well than NASL. Imagine next season when they'll have their qualification systems in place and more quality players are in. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
Take a look at the viewer count. TB is loved by many whether he appeals to you personally or not. Wheat is also a great caster and the IPL is so far amazing and noone can deny that it's making the NASL league terrible especially considering they're trying to charge $25 for their service. Keep in mind that IGN is able to afford all this free service because they've got a huuuuge company backing the whole thing. NASL's funding isn't completely clear but it's obvious they don't have a huge name like IGN backing them, and hence really can't afford the same as the IPL, at least not for the same price. Notwithstanding that NASL has its issues at the moment, but there's been enough debate about those I'd say | ||
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United States738 Posts
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
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United States11933 Posts
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
The other criticism I have is sole commentators are kinda dumb. That works for youtube channels, but for tournaments and leagues of this caliber, dual commentating adds more excitement and analysis to the game. Other than that, everything else is amazing. Stream quality is flawless. I love the post-game summaries and the general production value of it all. It seems like something you could very likely see on TV. Overall I'm very impressed and would definitely pay for future leagues if they keep this up and/or improve it. | ||
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MURICA15980 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
I would love if they did a 2-man commentary team with one good play-by-play caster (e.g. TB or Wheat) and one analytical caster (e.g. Day9, Artosis, iNcontroL, etc. – pay them whatever they ask, it'd be worth it) rather than the somewhat monotonous solo casting. | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:58 Z3kk wrote: Really? I was the opposite lol >< Muted djwheat and instantly unmuted once I realized that they rotated the casters. What do you find bad about totalbiscuit? Edit: oh never mind he has less experience with SC I think Oh snap, the animations they have look like street fighter (the win animation ) and general awesomeness.Just dont like his personality honestly. | ||
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
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quentel
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Mordiford
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On April 22 2011 11:00 Jayrod wrote: You guys wanna criticize TB and DJ Wheat's game knowledge, but then you turn around and want "e-sports to grow". You do realize that e-sports won't grow if every cast is jam packed with a bunch of technical stuff or tips to improve your play? This style without the technical stuff is the only way you are going to ever appeal to a broader audience... period. SC2 is exclusive enough as it is That's why you have a pair of casters, one who leads in analysis and one who leads in introductory information and play-by-play. If you have a solely casual oriented caster, you're likely to put off the hardcore fans. If you have a solely analytical caster you're likely to not be able to rake in newer casual audiences. It's about balance. Tastosis works, Day9 and DJWheat made a good pair too, it's about strong duos who can balance. | ||
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jermo
Canada46 Posts
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Zomodok
United States41 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
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schlarp
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I just did a side-by-side comparison with NASL and the difference is just astounding. | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
D'aww I definitely think that the experience could be improved by having two commentators on at the same time. TB is a pretty good play-by-play announcer, but a color commentator to go with him would make IPL golden for me. | ||
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Ighox
Norway580 Posts
Looking forward to the start of the real IGN seasons. | ||
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Esper
United States87 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:00 Stijn wrote: Keep in mind that IGN is able to afford all this free service because they've got a huuuuge company backing the whole thing. NASL's funding isn't completely clear but it's obvious they don't have a huge name like IGN backing them, and hence really can't afford the same as the IPL, at least not for the same price. Notwithstanding that NASL has its issues at the moment, but there's been enough debate about those I'd say All NASL needs is the editor to change the encoding. That would greatly help reduce the lag on vods, the live stream and fix the audio problems in one fell swoop. | ||
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
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Trizz
Netherlands1321 Posts
The quality is insane too, this > NASL. Sorry. | ||
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United States1383 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:25 VGhost wrote: I think they could use another caster, but on the whole, great production quality. Still waiting for an American league (not MLG "events") that can be a big enough draw to cast/produce live though. MLG is the closest to that | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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FearGorm
United States112 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:55 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: Very nice from the IPL, but people trash talking the NASL are seriously getting out of proportion... not even GOM has this kind of production, and it's simple enough why: Rupert Murdoch. If you can't really see the difference that was to be expected between a Rupert Murdoch owned company and seven amateur esports fans, no matter how you try to spin it, what you're saying is that you want the NASL to fail. Unless what you're trying to say is that you want all media billionaires in the world to get into esports. In that case, I'm all ears as to how you're going to do it. Still, we should keep being nice to the IPL so they spoil us more, that way even GOM may fear going down in the pecking order of the community, 'cause really, half of what keeps GOM up there is Tastosis Edit: ^^^ You know, some people don't want to know what you just said... As has been said several times, this event was produced by the team at WellPlayed.org, which is not composed of employees of IGN. We are an entirely separate group. *Edited | ||
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United States41 Posts
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
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devlb21
United States20 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:08 Voltaire wrote: Even IGN isn't perfect, they just played the Kiwikaki vs Stalife voiceover with Rootcatz vs LGagh on the screen. first mistake of the night 5 games in? not bad imo. | ||
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Terr
237 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:08 Voltaire wrote: Even IGN isn't perfect, they just played the Kiwikaki vs Stalife voiceover with Rootcatz vs LGagh on the screen. Small things like that happen to everybody. No big deal, not even worth mentioning. | ||
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TyPsi5
United States204 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:57 Ezze wrote: Take a look at the viewer count. TB is loved by many whether he appeals to you personally or not. Wheat is also a great caster and the IPL is so far amazing and noone can deny that it's making the NASL league look terrible especially considering they're trying to charge $25 for their service. Noone can deny its making NASL look terrible? Uh huh.... well.. Firstly, I don't think the viewer count on IGN's first day is indicative of anything.. NASL had more viewers on their first day. But IGN is new an exciting so naturally ppl are going to watch it on the first day. Secondly, it takes more than some cool transitions and graphics to make a good show for me. Personally, if a game isn't being cast, I'm not watching so I could give two shits what kinds of cool production value they have. Thirdly, you don't need to pay $25 to watch NASL. You can if you want HD, but I have to watch both streams on <720p otherwise it lags uncontrollably so your point is valid for people who have awesome bandwidth. Fourthly, solo casters? DJ Wheat? TB? You can keep all that... I mean I love DJ Wheat, but I prefer casters that have high level insight. These guys can only do the play by play.. I don't need that done for me.. My crux is that I care about what happens between when the game starts and the gg. Because of this.. NASL blows IGN out of the water. That being said.. IGN is looking good -hopefully they continue after this season. Should be good for western esports | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Thumbs way up for getting Totalbiscuit to cast! | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
For now, Ive got both eyes on IGN, but that doesn't mean I won't be watching for how good NASL gets in 1-2 months ^^ | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:06 jhsu98 wrote: @Jayrod, you're 100% correct it's true that these play-by-play casters are much more accessible for the overwhelming majority of people, ESPECIALLY people who are not well versed in SC2. But for those of us who are it's a little painful...then again i'm sure that's how any sport + casters are I feel like sports casters are generally a balanced pair as I mentioned above but it's important to note that most sports aren't as technical as Starcraft so it's not a huge deal. A good comparison is Poker though, if you take a look at some of the casting from the World Series of Poker, there is a caster who focuses on the players, backgrounds, jokes and another who focuses on the cards, the plays, yada yada... It's about striking a balance to appease the new audience and the hardcore fans. | ||
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Downside
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BaronFel
United States155 Posts
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
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CarachAngren
United States84 Posts
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raist
Canada90 Posts
Great job guys, I love (and hate) the amount of SC there is to watch | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
I just want to point out guys, let's not bandwagon on IGN over NASL, these guys are testing the waters with a $5000 event, NASL has committed $400,000 over THREE Seasons. I'd rather watch amazing games over production value any-day, but I'll give it to IGN, they are doing a good job and I'll continue to support them as well. | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
i still love InControl casting though ^.^ | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:09 FearGorm wrote: As has been said several times, this event was produced by the team at WellPlayed.org. None of us are paid. I see. I take back what I said then. Then that begs the question, you also work with the NASL, what's up with the "humongous" difference in perceived quality? | ||
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TR
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
Can't wait for season 2 :D! | ||
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HansMoleman
United States343 Posts
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ayekuf
United Kingdom91 Posts
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Ryusei-R1
United States2106 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:14 HansMoleman wrote: > NASL. I went there. I agree. It seems so much smoother and very fast paced. The rotation of commentators is a pretty sweet deal as well. | ||
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CosmicHippo
United States547 Posts
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Baby_Seal
United States360 Posts
Also, IGN is free now, but I doubt it's going to be free when they start the big Season 2 League. | ||
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Esper
United States87 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:11 Mordiford wrote: I feel like sports casters are generally a balanced pair as I mentioned above but it's important to note that most sports aren't as technical as Starcraft so it's not a huge deal. A good comparison is Poker though, if you take a look at some of the casting from the World Series of Poker, there is a caster who focuses on the players, backgrounds, jokes and another who focuses on the cards, the plays, yada yada... It's about striking a balance to appease the new audience and the hardcore fans. Poker is a more apt analogy. Too bad Starcraft happens at an auctioneer's pace so the casting is much harder to tune out. I'm all for IPL the way it is, I still get my "high level" games/analysis/commentary from GSL. And this will greatly help spread the word and hype about eSports in the west. | ||
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United States2472 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:15 Baby_Seal wrote: I don't really see how IGN is that much better than NASL? Only problem is the audio right now. Also, IGN is free now, but I doubt it's going to be free when they start the big Season 2 League. it is noob friendly but completely ridiculous that they cast from replays that are weeks old. the results from entire season 1 have been leaked which is unacceptable for something that has such great "production quality" | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:15 Baby_Seal wrote: I don't really see how IGN is that much better than NASL? Only problem is the audio right now. Also, IGN is free now, but I doubt it's going to be free when they start the big Season 2 League. Not really. The frame rate for NASL is pretty awful. Load up both streams and compare it. Sometimes its so choppy you can literally see units teleport across the screen. | ||
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Durn
Canada360 Posts
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FearGorm
United States112 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:13 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: I see. I take back what I said then. Then that begs the question, you also work with the NASL, what's up with the "humongous" difference in perceived quality? We are partnered with the NASL as their official community, they have their own production team. We are the production team for IPL's broadcast as well as the official community. Sorry if that was unclear! | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
Great job guys! | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Silver777
United States347 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:21 FearGorm wrote: We are partnered with the NASL as their official community, they have their own production team. We are the production team for IPL's broadcast as well as the official community. Sorry if that was unclear! You should tell IGN to pay you then! It's the most professional production since GSL. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:15 AimForTheBushes wrote: yeah, it's pretty good..but worth a thread? ummm definitely this is the first big/hyped tourney i've seen go live with no horrendous faults in lag, dc's, stream quality, audio quality (NASL T_T), etc. huge production, greatttt job | ||
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quentel
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:23 Amui wrote: sadly I need to watch canucks v blackhawks and play portal 2. I watched 5 min though and apart from casting, stream is almost perfect having played through portal 2 myself you will enjoy that game more then watching the stream. | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:24 quentel wrote: how cool is this post-game stats page? Yeah Catz vs Billy Mays was kind of awesome. That post game stats page is cool though :o | ||
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Chile527 Posts
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Canada53 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:25 Bub wrote: I'd be lying if I said I'm not loving this. Way to go IGN! That. I thought I was just gonna have this up while I do work but every time I scroll through my tabs and see it I get sucked in for 10-15 minutes minimum. Really fantastic work overall, I can only imagine what later seasons will be like. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
Some of the nitpicks and suggestions thought... Team casters, solo casting is kinda "bleh". Interviews with players after victories, a quick 2-3 minute interview couldn't hurt and really helps get invested in a player, gives a little bit of insight to viewers. That's... pretty much... all I can think of. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
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muffley
United States280 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:25 Gokey wrote: Loving the IGN stream... Just wish there were more analytical casters, but TotalBiscuit is pretty amazing with his voice Stick an Artosis in with the TotalBiscuit and you'd get your excellent analysis and your godlike enthusiastic play-by-play. Just find a way to get them in the same country... | ||
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Isaac
United States810 Posts
whatever the case, i find myself keep going back to it <3. | ||
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United States2472 Posts
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Eppa! wrote: Having no analytical commentators is pretty annoying. Need some Day9 in my ear. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:24 quentel wrote: how cool is this post-game stats page? that minimap they have makes no sence can you tell me anything at all thats going on there? its cool but it doesn't have a point. oh the game was a lot further gone then what the castor told me it was. it would be a lot better if it actualy told something that wasn't on the stats page that no one really looks at anyway. how many colossi where killed? bases lost? k/d ratio would be fun as well. pretty but boaring sad to say thats what the IPL is looking to me. was a HUGE fan and would have hyped it up like hell but the gloss wore off for me and I just can't watch it above the nasl at this point | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
IGN hiring Day[9] full time would literally be my dream come true | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:21 FearGorm wrote: We are partnered with the NASL as their official community, they have their own production team. We are the production team for IPL's broadcast as well as the official community. Sorry if that was unclear! can you please help nasl? for the love of god fix their fps and audio.... | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
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Swissm
United States207 Posts
As far as this talk about NASL vs IGN I don't think people really realize how much more difficult it is to run a 10 week league with 5 matches per day casted live on a 2 day buffer versus the 2 week IGN league with a lot fewer players on a 1week (?) buffer casted from replays. Perhaps this is what the NASL should switch to as it would allow them to add a bunch of features to bring their production up to par. I do absolutely love IGNs production. | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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(Mist)
Canada72 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
The custom music is amazing The custom artwork gives this tournament a lot of prestige It's just so amazing | ||
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Terr
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On April 22 2011 11:29 sermokala wrote: that minimap they have makes no sence can you tell me anything at all thats going on there? I think the blurry stuff is the movement of the armies. So it shows buildings and army positioning. | ||
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Canada938 Posts
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Applecakes
Australia319 Posts
The "newbie" friendly approach of the IPL doesn't appeal to me. I don't really like the casting style of TB and wheat. I have nothing against them, or their style in itself. And in fact, I think it's fantastic that IPL is going for a broader audience with their choice of casters. But I prefer a bit more "analysis". NASL (at the moment) has more of my favourite players too. Whitera, Nada, etc. I just can't pass that up. And there have been some really entertaining sets. It'll be interesting to see who plays eventually plays in IPL. Either way, I think it's amazing that we now have two good leagues, both of which I hope get better over time. 2011 is gunna be awesme! | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:34 Applecakes wrote: IPLs production is amazing. That can't be denied. But I still find myself watching NASL. The "newbie" friendly approach of the IPL doesn't appeal to me. I don't really like the casting style of TB and wheat. I have nothing against them, or their style in itself. And in fact, I think it's fantastic that IPL is going for a broader audience with their choice of casters. But I prefer a bit more "analysis". NASL (at the moment) has more of my favourite players too. Whitera, Nada, etc. I just can't pass that up. And there have been some really entertaining sets. It'll be interesting to see who plays eventually plays in IPL. Either way, I think it's amazing that we now have two good leagues, both of which I hope get better over time. As I said before, NASL player lineup and prizepool + wellplayed production values would be amazing. | ||
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Jtn
444 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:29 sermokala wrote: that minimap they have makes no sence can you tell me anything at all thats going on there? its cool but it doesn't have a point. oh the game was a lot further gone then what the castor told me it was. it would be a lot better if it actualy told something that wasn't on the stats page that no one really looks at anyway. how many colossi where killed? bases lost? k/d ratio would be fun as well. pretty but boaring sad to say thats what the IPL is looking to me. was a HUGE fan and would have hyped it up like hell but the gloss wore off for me and I just can't watch it above the nasl at this point Uh...the minimap isn't very hard to understand. It just shows where most of the action took place on the map. And colossi killed and kill death ratios? Seriously? The reason why they have those stats up there is because they're easily accessible. You're basically suggesting someone to watch the whole game and count what units die and keep a little notebook keeping track of the count. | ||
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
My only complaint is about the solo caster format. They have the quality casters, they just need to pair them up. And I believe Wheat said onstream that there will be pairs in the future. If IGN switched from solo league format into team league format, I would probably crap my pants in excitement. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:29 sermokala wrote: that minimap they have makes no sence can you tell me anything at all thats going on there? its cool but it doesn't have a point. oh the game was a lot further gone then what the castor told me it was. it would be a lot better if it actualy told something that wasn't on the stats page that no one really looks at anyway. how many colossi where killed? bases lost? k/d ratio would be fun as well. pretty but boaring sad to say thats what the IPL is looking to me. was a HUGE fan and would have hyped it up like hell but the gloss wore off for me and I just can't watch it above the nasl at this point The minimap gives an idea of what the base situation was like at the end of the game. There is a unit lost listing, what exactly do you mean by a K/D Ratio? Colossi lost, unit specific counts would be kind of weird. I don't really see why those would be necessary... The stat page is pretty good. | ||
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Germany100 Posts
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
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Dojous
United States36 Posts
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:29 sermokala wrote: that minimap they have makes no sence can you tell me anything at all thats going on there? its cool but it doesn't have a point. oh the game was a lot further gone then what the castor told me it was. it would be a lot better if it actualy told something that wasn't on the stats page that no one really looks at anyway. how many colossi where killed? bases lost? k/d ratio would be fun as well. pretty but boaring sad to say thats what the IPL is looking to me. was a HUGE fan and would have hyped it up like hell but the gloss wore off for me and I just can't watch it above the nasl at this point I disagree. I love how it shows where the buildings are and which areas each players controls. It doesn't have to be specific as to what units each players have but it does get the point out of where the buildings are. P.S. It's sense** | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
I'm watching the NASL, IPL, and Day9Daily at the same time. Sigh, I don't have enough ears to listen to them all. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:29 sermokala wrote: that minimap they have makes no sence can you tell me anything at all thats going on there? its cool but it doesn't have a point. oh the game was a lot further gone then what the castor told me it was. it would be a lot better if it actualy told something that wasn't on the stats page that no one really looks at anyway. how many colossi where killed? bases lost? k/d ratio would be fun as well. pretty but boaring sad to say thats what the IPL is looking to me. was a HUGE fan and would have hyped it up like hell but the gloss wore off for me and I just can't watch it above the nasl at this point I think it's sc2gears (http://sites.google.com/site/sc2gears/) or at least something very similar. Pretty cool really but kind of ambiguous if you have no idea about it. | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
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SovietHammer
United States166 Posts
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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Muffel
Germany137 Posts
I GOT IT. were the known sc2 guys payed for talking good about ign? and all these retweets by ign themself... why would you retweet that you are amazing yourself? i remember a time where esports was presentet live, that was amazing actualy | ||
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Swissm
United States207 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:34 Applecakes wrote: IPLs production is amazing. That can't be denied. But I still find myself watching NASL. The "newbie" friendly approach of the IPL doesn't appeal to me. I don't really like the casting style of TB and wheat. I have nothing against them, or their style in itself. And in fact, I think it's fantastic that IPL is going for a broader audience with their choice of casters. But I prefer a bit more "analysis". NASL (at the moment) has more of my favourite players too. Whitera, Nada, etc. I just can't pass that up. And there have been some really entertaining sets. It'll be interesting to see who plays eventually plays in IPL. Either way, I think it's amazing that we now have two good leagues, both of which I hope get better over time. 2011 is gunna be awesme! I agree completely with the casting comment, without pros commentating you don't really "know" what's going on. Play by play commentating misses so many of the nuances of build orders (probe cut here, feign aggression as part of the build there) it's really hard to analyze what's exactly going on. | ||
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dogmode
Philippines491 Posts
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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:41 Swissm wrote: I agree completely with the casting comment, without pros commentating you don't really "know" what's going on. Play by play commentating misses so many of the nuances of build orders (probe cut here, feign aggression as part of the build there) it's really hard to analyze what's exactly going on. I would watch NASL, but for me (free watcher), the audio quality is so bad it's unwatchable. I don't want to hear some guy on a 32 kbps skype connection and then Gretorp with a bad mic (or encoding). The audio on NASL is really, really bad. Also, I don't know why they lag so much and IGN's seems to not? IGN's quality is off the chain. | ||
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Jacopana
El Salvador210 Posts
But to say something, i preffer the double commentary than just one, it feels more like a monologue xP. But anyway both casters are awesome by themself so maybe is just a habit thing | ||
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quentel
349 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:09 FearGorm wrote: As has been said several times, this event was produced by the team at WellPlayed.org. None of us are paid. Damn impressive! | ||
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Haggis
Scotland104 Posts
But, having worked briefly in graphics professionally in the past and I'd just want to give props the team who came up with the idea of the street fighter style win and introducing screens plus the simplfied stat screens at the end of the game. From listening to them on teamspeak and not having a clue about Starcraft they they were obviously making the link between Street fighter style format at the start and also having a score screen similar to FPS games at the end. I know its hardly substantial proof and I don't even know if this was the intention of it but its small subtle touches like this that may just catch the attention of people who are unaware just how fun and entertaining SC2 is to watch and play. I'd just like to give a thumbs up to them and IGN for putting this tournament together, I really think this is the sort of tournament that has huge potential to reach out to a wider gaming audience. | ||
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DivineSC
United States128 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Eppa! wrote: Having no analytical commentators is pretty annoying. ^The only problem thus far in my opinion | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
Two complaints I would like addressed: There are no breaks or recaps of why people are winning, for newcomers this is really hard to get in to and as someone who knows the SC2 scene quite well I found myself lost at multiple points when I left the room for a bit and there was a whole new series playing. Some continuity and transitions between games would help. On the same tangent give me time to go to the bathroom! Pause between games please. Secondly... I hope the second season has a better cast of players, or some sort of qualification process. Some of these matchups are so onesided. | ||
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CoFran
Canada342 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
yeahh please lose DJWheat, TB has a nice voice/good caster even though he's bronze. DJWheat is like... day9lite. meh. Get ... some high-ranked players. That's all. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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Interestingfool
United States7 Posts
Sure they are lacking a huge list of players and some analytical casters, but those are the EASIEST things to get. They have shown everyone that they are absolutely serious about this tournament, and with the bigger prize pool for next season, overcoming their hurdles (players and casters) will be absolutely simple. I bet players and casters will BEG IGN to be in the IPL. It's seriously that amazing. Post game stats? Amazing. Street fighter voice + presentation? Amazing. Sick overlay? Amazing. Super excited for the $100k season 2. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
TotalBiscuit can be hard to pair with someone, I feel like he works better on his own but overall I feel like a strong pair of casters is just the way to go for a tournament. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
Total biscuit is actually providing some good insight from time to time on why players are making the decisions that they are (yeah my grammar sux haha) | ||
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Moonquake
United States36 Posts
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Inertia_EU
United Kingdom513 Posts
british accents FIGHTING! | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
Looks GREAT. | ||
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kommunalka
United States550 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:49 ReachTheSky wrote: Total biscuit is actually providing some good insight from time to time on why players are making the decisions that they are (yeah my grammar sux haha) Agreed IMO his game knowledge is becoming quite impressive [he knows the names of all the upgrades, (something even the most venerated casters often lack)] | ||
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
Otherwise great tourney | ||
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Tracedragon
United States948 Posts
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:39 Doodsmack wrote: Right, but the casting is recorded while the game is happening, and it's aired only a couple hours later, am I right? I've always wondered what the benefit is from commenting the games live and then only broadcasting them later after post production. It seems like a lot of problems NASL suffers from (odd structure, comments that don't sync with aired content, casters disappearing then reappearing, allow them to fall victim to pauses and other in-game difficulties, etc) all happen because they choose to do this. If the games were commented from replays or if they were commented live... if they're both broadcasted on a delay, what's the point? The only thing I can think of is the ability to say: "Here at NASL, we don't comment games from replays." All to trick people who hate replays and attempt to appease them. But it doesn't actually do anything positive for the live feed. Unless I'm missing something, a lot of their problems would be fixed if they cast from replays. :7 | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:57 Ezze wrote: I just realized that on the summary page the map is actually a heat map of sorts and shows army movements. How did they do that?? sc2gears | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:21 FearGorm wrote: We are partnered with the NASL as their official community, they have their own production team. We are the production team for IPL's broadcast as well as the official community. Sorry if that was unclear! That clears up the confusion, thank you for your response Keep up the good work! | ||
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
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JTheLakeT
United States38 Posts
Take note, this is how you do it folks. | ||
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Eviltoast
Australia166 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:58 BlackMagister wrote: How is IPL making money anyways? Haven't watched the whole thing but haven't seen any ads so far. No ads on day 1 and day 2 as a present to fans for helping them getting 1000 facebook fans. Otherwise there will be ads between games and ads on VODs. They plan on making money from advertising, shouldn't be too intrusive. | ||
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Neosta2
China117 Posts
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:57 Ezze wrote: I just realized that on the summary page the map is actually a heat map of sorts and shows army movements. How did they do that?? Ya that stuff is awesome, looks like the soccer post game reports! Honesty, this stuff looks better than GOMTv.... it's really impressive As they say Competition ooooh ya | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:59 Mordiford wrote: No ads on day 1 and day 2 as a present to fans for helping them getting 1000 facebook fans. Otherwise there will be ads between games and ads on VODs. They plan on making money from advertising, shouldn't be too intrusive. like nasl, i turn off the volume on the screen and every 10 minutes the olive garden ad comes in FULL BLAST and the only way to shut it off is to turn my speakers off. blar. | ||
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probob
Germany227 Posts
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Lush
United States657 Posts
Negatives (rooms for improvement rather, take this as constructive criticism) Single casted games. Hard for one guy to catch everything, plus commentate as well as provide deep insight. Some casters are fairly low level and have less game knowledge than many viewers, which they will improve in that area with time, but it can be semi-amusing at times. Player pool is interesting. Don't understand why agh is there, I mean, he's good. But was there qualifiers or did they just pick people at random? I like to see new faces though. also, too much of the phrase "ladies and gentlemen" :D Overall, great league. How they continue in the good, and improve the bad. Other leagues can learn from some things they do, as well as the IPL learning from leagues. | ||
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
Amazing product, casters, quality of stream! I really love street fighter intro also! | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:21 FearGorm wrote: We are partnered with the NASL as their official community, they have their own production team. We are the production team for IPL's broadcast as well as the official community. Sorry if that was unclear! What about "official community" is *not* an oxymoron lol? Do you mean that wellplayed is like your public affairs branch? | ||
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
I also have two constructive notes to add: 1) As has already been mentioned: the casters could be improved by pairing them. Solo casts are never as good as dual. 2) I'd love some chit-chat inbetween games, going over what happened / strats, talking about the stats we are seeing and talking about where the players stand in the league when the overlay pops up. Nothing too long, just some simple comments to make the whole experience more cohesive and more like a "show" rather than "youtube videos linked together". The time between games doesn't have to increase (or if it did , only by 30 seconds or so), just add some talk over what is already there. If these two small issues were resolved this league would be absolutely perfect and blow everything else out of the water. The only thing better is live casts à la GSL, but I realise that doesn't seem to be viable in NA. | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:57 loveeholicce wrote: Can some1 please explain the whole issue where ign accidentaly spoiled their games? Otherwise great tourney Personally, first time I got spoiled over the results was here at TL when going over a certain fan club where some users had seen the match history and saw it fit with the brackets of the frist round of matches of the league. Then, the brackets at IGN's site were uploaded with the results up. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:29 See.Blue wrote: IGN hiring Day[9] full time would literally be my dream come true it would be my worst nightmare | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
like nasl, i turn off the volume on the screen and every 10 minutes the olive garden ad comes in FULL BLAST and the only way to shut it off is to turn my speakers off. blar. Use adblock. When people insist on broadcasting ads in an unnecessary and overly irritating way this is the best way to force change. | ||
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Ulfsark
United States958 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:22 Teivospy wrote: who cares if one is better than the other I am thankful we have BOTH that said IGN obv has more money than NASL, but I hope NASL gets better over time :D This is very true, I am so glad I have 2 monitors, I have been watching both, just been paying slightly more attention to whichever matchup I am more interested at the time. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
IPL and NASL need to merge because the NASL production is sooo terrible. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
They're damn entertaining to watch and while they miss things, it still makes for good viewership. In my opinion, IPL should have dual casters. Keep TB and HD and the lineup they have now, but pair them up with casters with more analytical knowledge. This way you can reach out to the casual crowd who really just care about watching stuff blow up and a guy screaming about it while the more hardcore fans can enjoy the analytical, higher level casting. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
As has been said several times, this event was produced by the team at WellPlayed.org. None of us are paid. Paid or not you obviously have proper experience/training which the paid NASL staff does not. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:07 Ryuu314 wrote: Personally, about the casters, although HD and TB don't have nearly as much knowledge about the game as some of the other top level casters do, they're still very good casters. They're damn entertaining to watch and while they miss things, it still makes for good viewership. In my opinion, IPL should have dual casters. Keep TB and HD and the lineup they have now, but pair them up with casters with more analytical knowledge. This way you can reach out to the casual crowd who really just care about watching stuff blow up and a guy screaming about it while the more hardcore fans can enjoy the analytical, higher level casting.HD is dual casting with Pain User. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:03 Lush wrote: Positives : Production value. Crisp stream, audio. Very smoothly run game to game. No real hiccups so far. Excellent endings stats overlay. I think all tourneys should add something like this. Negatives (rooms for improvement rather, take this as constructive criticism) Single casted games. Hard for one guy to catch everything, plus commentate as well as provide deep insight. Some casters are fairly low level and have less game knowledge than many viewers, which they will improve in that area with time, but it can be semi-amusing at times. Player pool is interesting. Don't understand why agh is there, I mean, he's good. But was there qualifiers or did they just pick people at random? I like to see new faces though. Overall, great league. How they continue in the good, and improve the bad. Other leagues can learn from some things they do, as well as the IPL learning from leagues. As for the players, this is an introductory test series. The 16 players are invites, the top 4 get automatically put into the real series which will be IPL Season 2. The second season will be a 32 player series with 28 of those qualifying through matches and the top 4 from this tournament carrying over. | ||
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asoka
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Lush
United States657 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:10 Mordiford wrote: As for the players, this is an introductory test series. The 16 players are invites, the top 4 get automatically put into the real series which will be IPL Season 2. The second season will be a 32 player series with 28 of those qualifying through matches and the top 4 from this tournament carrying over. Sounds good man. I think IPL is top notch. Really doing things well, they contact the community and listen, have professionals carrying out production. Great stuff. | ||
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Juaks
United States384 Posts
No need to hate on NASL though. We should all be grateful that we have these 2 new great tournaments. | ||
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
Loving it so far, I hope their main league will be even more epic. I have some high hopes for IPL | ||
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DragonDefonce
United States790 Posts
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Applecakes
Australia319 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:05 Sakarabu wrote:If these two small issues were resolved this league would be absolutely perfect and blow everything else out of the water. The only thing better is live casts à la GSL, but I realise that doesn't seem to be viable in NA. No, to be perfect IPL would need to get kpop too ^_^ | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:06 Duravi wrote: Use adblock. When people insist on broadcasting ads in an unnecessary and overly irritating way this is the best way to force change. they arn't going to change adblock just makes you a dick. NASL's got july and ensnare woot woot | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
No need to hate on NASL though. We should all be grateful that we have these 2 new great tournaments. Cmon dude. I want them both to be great but having an unpaid editing/production staff massively outshine one that is being paid? You have to acknowledge that. If this tournament shows anything it is that the SC2 community will just as quickly praise a good event as chastise a bad one. We are not haters. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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AeonStrife
United States918 Posts
9.2/10 Everything was wham bam thank you mam. Just the way I like it. | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:16 Duravi wrote: Cmon dude. I want them both to be great but having an unpaid editing/production staff massively outshine one that is being paid? You have to acknowledge that. If this tournament shows anything it is that the SC2 community will just as quickly praise a good event as chastise a bad one. We are not haters. Agreed. NASL seems to have lower production value than any other larger tournament right now (GSL, TSL, IGN) maybe only rivaling MLG. | ||
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eohs
United States677 Posts
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Sheekthief
United States267 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
NASL has the bulk of their capital wrapped up in a robust prize pool; professional, experienced players as commentators; and a long, extensive format that gives all players a reasonably even playing field to ascend in the tournament. IPL has a reasonably decent graphic design (I can draw better portraits than that), and play-by-play casters that can make any game sound epic. They've pulled the wool over the 'hardcore' community's eyes. And I geniunely respect that. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
really enjoying IPL atm, my only gripe is the solo casting and lack of analytical casters (apart from painuser) imo play-by-play commentators should never cast without an analytical caster, casuals will get bored of seeing the "same units over and over" since they don't understand the subtleties that make one opponent win or lose | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:21 eNtitY~ wrote: Agreed. NASL seems to have lower production value than any other larger tournament right now (GSL, TSL, IGN) maybe only rivaling MLG. Well said, under-hype and over-deliver is the best way to achieve respect | ||
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sansalvador
Austria308 Posts
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
Also TB did good tonite, but i wish he wouldn't say "rained down" so much. | ||
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Juaks
United States384 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:16 Duravi wrote: Cmon dude. I want them both to be great but having an unpaid editing/production staff massively outshine one that is being paid? You have to acknowledge that. If this tournament shows anything it is that the SC2 community will just as quickly praise a good event as chastise a bad one. We are not haters. True but don't forget the prize pool is way lower and the season is way shorter too. Although IPL stated that this is just the first season and next ones will be way bigger in prize pools but maybe then they will charge a fee. Just a wild guess. Anyways congratulations IPL your tournament is great and I am enjoying it a lot. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:16 Duravi wrote: No need to hate on NASL though. We should all be grateful that we have these 2 new great tournaments. NASL runs for three months, massively bigger prizepool, more good players, in depth analysis by experienced pros, post-game player interviews and thoughts... and somehow this just isn't good enough for some people in the community. makes me sad. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
1. They kept everything moving along. 2. No commercials. 3. Great stream quality. 4. Everything was free. 5. Great casting. 6. Great extras and flare to the before and after of the games (like stats and "WIN!" and pictures of the players). 7. No huge mistakes. | ||
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sansalvador
Austria308 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:07 Highways wrote: I completely agree, unbelievable production values. IPL and NASL need to merge because the NASL production is sooo terrible. How can NASL improve the IPL? | ||
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm not sure about this part. I'm pretty sure that TotalBiscuit isn't a professional (although he's a great caster), and I'm pretty sure HD is casting IPL too. DJ Wheat isn't exactly a pro either. And on the other hand, Gretorp and iNcontroL are actual pros, and they're casting NASL. Yeah, that's actually his point. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
the dual casters are needed but I think i heard DJ Wheat said that will come in Season 2. All in All fantastic start. def prefer DJwheat/total biscuit over inc/gretorp. just much smoother. also whoever said IPL was done by volunteers and not paid people is wrong... the people who've been working on IPL were HIRED by IGN full time... far from "volunteer", more like career. | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:25 PHILtheTANK wrote: its nice having both leagues up at once so i can pick and choose which games i wannna watch Also TB did good tonite, but i wish he wouldn't say "rained down" so much. Yeah I have no idea what the fuck I was doing there, I've never even used that phrase before. I believe I consciously stopped myself from using it in the later casts and with good reason, it's not even appropriate in the context it was used. | ||
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mufin
United States616 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:07 Highways wrote: I completely agree, unbelievable production values. IPL and NASL need to merge because the NASL production is sooo terrible. thats probably never going to happen. It's much better for the scene if they were competitors rather than a monopoly merger. | ||
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Ameba-AZ
United States79 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
good players good casters good matches? | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
I can't wait to see what's next for them. | ||
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Trebis
United States182 Posts
Props to the WellPlayed.org guys for such a fantastic job. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:23 Defacer wrote: IPL's success is actually a perfect example of NOT listening to players. NASL has the bulk of their capital wrapped up in a robust prize pool; professional, experienced players as commentators; and a long, extensive format that gives all players a reasonably even playing field to ascend in the tournament. IPL has a reasonably decent graphic design (I can draw better portraits than that), and play-by-play casters that can make any game sound epic. They've pulled the wool over the 'hardcore' community's eyes. And I geniunely respect that. exactly! i'm glad there are others that share the same sentiment as i do. IPL is a great addition to esports but besides the glitter, it lacks in every other aspect of the game that true fans really care about. | ||
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HeeroMaki
United States27 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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sansalvador
Austria308 Posts
players granted, but the rest is to debate. I really hope NASL did watch with pen and paper in hand what IGN delivered today and start going to improve their stuff. There needs to be competition, and right now IPL just walks over NASL. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:30 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah I have no idea what the fuck I was doing there, I've never even used that phrase before. I believe I consciously stopped myself from using it in the later casts and with good reason, it's not even appropriate in the context it was used. all good man , really lookin forward to more, was a great first night! | ||
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neo_sporin
United States516 Posts
I think IPL>NASL for the following reasons: 1) IPL felt super noob friendly. They EXPLAINED even basic things. Casters like HD and TB admit they are not going for the day9 level analysis. I am glad IPL went for the fun/exciting feel with CASTERS casting, and not players casting. (Yes I know there are exceptions in that Painuser will cast for IPL and diggity for NASL) 2) Production value blew NASL out of the water...not sure anyone can argue that. 3) The single caster instead of duo...now hear me out. I PREFER having a duo if the duo is a pair that have great interaction--tastosis/daywheat for example. But people like TB have made a name for themself as a solo caster and he can handle the job. Right now my issue with NASL is that when incontrol isnt there, we have gretorp jumping partners and not really getting into a groove with his partner, this will be fixed with time I know, but it goes with #2 in that the current state of casting I have to give the edge to IPL 3-a) I HAAAATE when NASL has 1 live caster and 1 skype/vent/teamspeak in and that it is very evident one person is not in the studio. The distant sound of the cocaster is a peev of mine. By having a solo caster on IPL they have avoided this. That is all, I just hope as NASL and IPL go into future seasons we have players in one OR the other, and not a bunch of people in both. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
Awesome stream, zero lag, great graphics and production, very minimal downtime between each match When the guy from IGN came on for SotG, he was hyping up the IPL a bit, but suffice to say, I think most of us can agree that they delivered. | ||
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kaplOw
Canada27 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:29 PhiliBiRD wrote: also whoever said IPL was done by volunteers and not paid people is wrong... the people who've been working on IPL were HIRED by IGN full time... far from "volunteer", more like career. I'm part of the WellPlayed production team and that's not true. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
NASL runs for three months, massively bigger prizepool, more good players, in depth analysis by experienced pros, post-game player interviews and thoughts... and somehow this just isn't good enough for some people in the community. makes me sad. How can you not understand that NASL is paying people to do a job that people are doing for free with IPL and the paid people are performing not just a little bit worse, but alot? They have not fixed their sound issues after seven fucking episodes. They still have fps issues that anyone in production would recognize as unacceptable. These are not personal preference issues like casters. At some point you have to stop being an esports cheerleader and be realistic. SC2 community is hungry for a good quality broadcast we can follow regularly, up to this point NASL is not it, not even close but IPL is showing every sign that they can do it especially once they have a good player base. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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Googity
United States127 Posts
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:29 PhiliBiRD wrote: also whoever said IPL was done by volunteers and not paid people is wrong... the people who've been working on IPL were HIRED by IGN full time... far from "volunteer", more like career. thats where you're wrong  do some research | ||
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astroorion
United States1022 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:31 Terranist wrote: true fans I find this phrase really obnoxious. Am I alone in that? | ||
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Deathmanbob
United States2356 Posts
WAY better players, i didn't catch all of the IPL but what i did catch was fun and all, amazing production value but......... can you name one epic game? Idras games were idra killing catz base in yo base? damn good so maybe but anything else? select dominating like he should,. seems like it was blah from players with a lot of wow factor in production like i said i didnt catch it all so i could be wrong, still a amazing tournament set up they have going on | ||
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Weaponx3
Canada232 Posts
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quentel
349 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:36 TotalBiscuit wrote: I find this phrase really obnoxious. Am I alone in that? I like that phrase. | ||
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BthreeN
United States48 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
also whoever said IPL was done by volunteers and not paid people is wrong... the people who've been working on IPL were HIRED by IGN full time... far from "volunteer", more like career. They stated themselves that they are unpaid. So either they are lying or you are a moron. | ||
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
And to think that NASL has SO MUCH more money, and still IPL's production is better... | ||
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
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elsrickle
Canada53 Posts
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:31 Terranist wrote: exactly! i'm glad there are others that share the same sentiment as i do. IPL is a great addition to esports but besides the glitter, it lacks in every other aspect of the game that true fans really care about. Hmmm I completely agree with this. | ||
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Gunman_csz
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Wheat and TB rocked ! Qualiy was A+ IPL and dreamhack are probably the best examples of how tournaments & leagues should be modeled. | ||
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Googity
United States127 Posts
Phrases like that alienate the people that have no idea what's going on with in this game. SC2 needs new people to survive, the "true fans" are the ones that are already playing and will watch these leagues no matter what. Community needs to grow to survive. | ||
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smocca
United States83 Posts
Well done. | ||
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EntropyFails
81 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:03 gogogadgetflow wrote: What about "official community" is *not* an oxymoron lol? Do you mean that wellplayed is like your public affairs branch? By "official community" we mean WellPlayed is the official place to go and discuss these events and matches. It is sanctioned by NASL and IGN for this purpose. As for IGN, we have an extra responsibility of editing and producing their content. This is also another service that WellPlayed offers. We understand that not everyone in the whole world knows about our services (yet) so thank you for your questions! | ||
Burpies
Canada409 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:29 PhiliBiRD wrote: for starting off its pretty fuckin awesome. very pleased with IGN PL. the dual casters are needed but I think i heard DJ Wheat said that will come in Season 2. All in All fantastic start. def prefer DJwheat/total biscuit over inc/gretorp. just much smoother. also whoever said IPL was done by volunteers and not paid people is wrong... the people who've been working on IPL were HIRED by IGN full time... far from "volunteer", more like career. Well, judging from this, this and this, the production crew certainly appears to be made up of volunteers. Major props to WellPlayed for an outstanding show tonight! | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:37 Deathmanbob wrote: WAY better players, i didn't catch all of the IPL but what i did catch was fun and all, amazing production value but......... can you name one epic game? Idras games were idra killing catz base in yo base? damn good so maybe but anything else? select dominating like he should,. seems like it was blah from players with a lot of wow factor in production like i said i didnt catch it all so i could be wrong, still a amazing tournament set up they have going on Well the IPL is more like the real North American League. In that regard, the NASL's large prize pool is what draws the great players. When IGN offers something comparable, the matchups will be just as good. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:33 sansalvador wrote: players granted, but the rest is to debate. I really hope NASL did watch with pen and paper in hand what IGN delivered today and start going to improve their stuff. There needs to be competition, and right now IPL just walks over NASL. but all of NASL's problems are technical all of IPL's are fundamental. more then one caster? gretorp getting better every night inc is a legit player thats actually playing well in the league. Diggity coming in and doing well. and kalador who is a very very good. TB is a horrid caster that got on my nerves in a single game. Yesterday I watched 3 games of Sheth vs rainbow godlike 40+ games in each one. They where better then anything that IPL had today. poorly done 4 gate rush after poorly done 4 gate rush does not a good stream make. and if tomarrow somehow they fix the stream and it isn't total shit whos a lot better? hell even MLG's going to have a great stream next event. the gloss is going to come off the IPL and people are gona start seeing that. It looks fucking amazing but that can only go so far | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:38 DirtYLOu wrote: IPL >>>>>> NASL And to think that NASL has SO MUCH more money, and still IPL's production is better... Just cause its shinier does NOT mean its better. IPL cannot compete with the player lineup and the amount of matches NASL has right now. Lets remember why we love starcraft so much. We love the players and the competition! | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:38 Duravi wrote: They stated themselves that they are unpaid. So either they are lying or you are a moron. Uhhh interview with Alex from IGN at wellplayed.org: Q: Who are you working with on this project? A: We're working closely with Justin.tv to provide a great viewing experience for all of our viewers. In addition, we have hired on the team at Well Played Productions to assist with our post-production efforts to make the IPL as polished and professional as possible. link | ||
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:41 Burpies wrote: Well, judging from this, this and this, the production crew certainly appears to be made up of volunteers. Major props to WellPlayed for an outstanding show tonight! An extremely professional product from a volunteer operation, great to see such a great show the first day, hope for the best to come! | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:42 sermokala wrote: but all of NASL's problems are technical all of IPL's are fundamental. more then one caster? gretorp getting better every night inc is a legit player thats actually playing well in the league. Diggity coming in and doing well. and kalador who is a very very good. TB is a horrid caster that got on my nerves in a single game. Yesterday I watched 3 games of Sheth vs rainbow godlike 40+ games in each one. They where better then anything that IPL had today. poorly done 4 gate rush after poorly done 4 gate rush does not a good stream make. and if tomarrow somehow they fix the stream and it isn't total shit whos a lot better? hell even MLG's going to have a great stream next event. the gloss is going to come off the IPL and people are gona start seeing that. It looks fucking amazing but that can only go so far I think this is the best analysis of IPL right now. Not to be entirely negative I think it does show promise and hopefully will get better... | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:42 sermokala wrote: but all of NASL's problems are technical all of IPL's are fundamental. more then one caster? gretorp getting better every night inc is a legit player thats actually playing well in the league. Diggity coming in and doing well. and kalador who is a very very good. TB is a horrid caster that got on my nerves in a single game. Yesterday I watched 3 games of Sheth vs rainbow godlike 40+ games in each one. They where better then anything that IPL had today. poorly done 4 gate rush after poorly done 4 gate rush does not a good stream make. and if tomarrow somehow they fix the stream and it isn't total shit whos a lot better? hell even MLG's going to have a great stream next event. the gloss is going to come off the IPL and people are gona start seeing that. It looks fucking amazing but that can only go so far Or, it is also possible that your opinion isn't set-in-stone fact and people actually enjoy the casting and the games. I love these so called 'true fans' of eSports taking a dump on everything they possibly can while contributing nothing of their own to the scene they supposedly live and breath. Thank God they are only a tiny vocal minority or eSports would be in real trouble. | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:43 Zeri wrote: Just cause its shinier does NOT mean its better. IPL cannot compete with the player lineup and the amount of matches NASL has right now. Lets remember why we love starcraft so much. We love the players and the competition! No we want silly portrait art! | ||
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Cataphract
United States69 Posts
"AND ITS SELECT BY A NOSE!!!" The cast was amazing. DJwheat was really good. Solo casts are normally not the best, but he proved he could hold his own in casting. I loved his total Zerg bias in some of the games though. Added flavor. Something that I like that both IPL and NASL does is allowing players to pick their own colors. Adds some flavor to a bland Red/Blue color scheme. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:43 Zeri wrote: Just cause its shinier does NOT mean its better. IPL cannot compete with the player lineup and the amount of matches NASL has right now. Lets remember why we love starcraft so much. We love the players and the competition! I agree, I really enjoy the quality of matches the NASL offers. That being said, the IPL made a hell of a first impression and I think a lot of pros will be accepting of an invite once the IPL expands. Pretty damn good showing. | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:43 Zeri wrote: Just cause its shinier does NOT mean its better. IPL cannot compete with the player lineup and the amount of matches NASL has right now. Lets remember why we love starcraft so much. We love the players and the competition! I agree but us from EU can watch it so wtf is the point!! | ||
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j0k3r
United States577 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:27 Terranist wrote: NASL runs for three months, massively bigger prizepool, more good players, in depth analysis by experienced pros, post-game player interviews and thoughts... and somehow this just isn't good enough for some people in the community. makes me sad. I don't know about massively bigger pool, season one Ipl is to seed top 4 into a 32 man season 2 with a $50,000 pool. And if attention grows expect ign to fund even bigger prizes. Tonight was top notch production, wellplayed really shined. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
Uhhh interview with Alex from IGN at wellplayed.org: Well if this is the case they should explain themselves. Either way their production quality was obviously higher but to say you are volunteers and to actually have a paid component is misleading. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:36 TotalBiscuit wrote: I find this phrase really obnoxious. Am I alone in that? it does seem a little obnoxious, but let's be honest here. i watched the first day of IPL and you casted like you were selling starcraft 2 to a bunch of console gamers. i don't have an issue with that because you're bringing a bunch of people into esports but at the same time alienating those of us that really love it enough to stay up till 4 am watching live GSL - the "true fans" | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:46 Duravi wrote: Well if this is the case they should explain themselves. Either way their production quality was obviously higher but to say you are volunteers and to actually have a paid component is misleading. Looking at some of the posts from the wp people here on TL it's unclear. They said they're not getting paid for this event.. | ||
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DarkRise
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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leviathan400
United Kingdom393 Posts
I like how after NASL we got a "tips for NASL to improve" thread and after IGN we get a "omg its amazing" thread. My only suggestion: When on player info page (with the lines of info) please show what country they are from with a flag maybe, NASL missed this also and its great to see and people love to root for players from their own country etc. Also will we get a EU restream plz? | ||
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destian
141 Posts
I spent the 25 on NASL, but I haven't gotten what I expected out if it. I want NASL to do better, but the IPL seriously made a great impression tonight and I'm questioning the next NASL season pass. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:47 Terranist wrote: it does seem a little obnoxious, but let's be honest here. i watched the first day of IPL and you casted like you were selling starcraft 2 to a bunch of console gamers. i don't have an issue with that because you're bringing a bunch of people into esports but at the same time alienating those of us that really love it enough to stay up till 4 am watching live GSL - the "true fans" Not really. Some of you are alienated, but not all. The noisy few will always come out in opposition of play-by-play casting, but it's the silent majority that are more important. Every caster alienates somebody, it's not worth worrying about and in this case, the IPL was not aimed squarely at TL's demographic anyway, yet still managed to attract and SUSTAIN a significant viewer count from them, so that alone is proof the concept is worth pursuing. The negativity really is rather depressing if ya take it too seriously and it seems some people are more interesting in tearing down the efforts of others all in the name of 'true fandom'. A true fan would celebrate anything that moves eSports forward, I would think. | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:45 TotalBiscuit wrote: Or, it is also possible that your opinion isn't set-in-stone fact and people actually enjoy the casting and the games. I love these so called 'true fans' of eSports taking a dump on everything they possibly can while contributing nothing of their own to the scene they supposedly live and breath. Thank God they are only a tiny vocal minority or eSports would be in real trouble. Totoally agree with you TB. Esport is growing and just like boxing is not about hardcore fans anymore its about the casuals get them and esport is a succes and the onyl way to get them is getting some awesome shoutcasters and a really good production value do that right and the fans will tune in and then players will follow so gj to everyone at IGN | ||
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kevinmon
United States540 Posts
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:23 Defacer wrote: IPL's success is actually a perfect example of NOT listening to players. NASL has the bulk of their capital wrapped up in a robust prize pool; professional, experienced players as commentators; and a long, extensive format that gives all players a reasonably even playing field to ascend in the tournament. IPL has a reasonably decent graphic design (I can draw better portraits than that), and play-by-play casters that can make any game sound epic. They've pulled the wool over the 'hardcore' community's eyes. And I geniunely respect that. That's funny but it's true. Turns out giving the players exactly what they say that want isn't as entertaining as giving the masses (including me) what they actually enjoy. Would the Koreans rather have a 9-week long group stage instead of having to risk falling from S to A to oblivion? I'm guessing yeah, but it wouldn't be near as exciting as watching Boxer basically playing for his progaming career on korean TV (If he went to code B he might never get back on televised GSL). I agree with everything you said except maybe the wording of "pulled the wool" over us. IPL doesn't pretend to be for hardcore fans or try to fool anyone. It aims at being a good evening of entertainment, and in that respect it has done extremely well on day one. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:45 TotalBiscuit wrote: Or, it is also possible that your opinion isn't set-in-stone fact and people actually enjoy the casting and the games. I love these so called 'true fans' of eSports taking a dump on everything they possibly can while contributing nothing of their own to the scene they supposedly live and breath. Thank God they are only a tiny vocal minority or eSports would be in real trouble. my views arn't set in stone if you saw any of the threads I was completely jacked for IPL and I was loving the stream every moment until TB came on. "tiny minority"? did you even look at the viewer counts for tonight? NASL was 5k less then IPL at the start but at the end it was less then 1k away from each other. Even day9 said that he enjoyed his trolls and hes a god among us whats wrong with you? I'm saying my opinion you don't have to attack me because of that. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:23 Defacer wrote: NASL has the bulk of their capital wrapped up in a robust prize pool This first IPL is a test run, I have confidence if it goes well, they have the financial means to match NASL's prize pool On April 22 2011 12:23 Defacer wrote: ...professional, experienced players as commentators I actually would classify TB and djWheat as being more professional and having more expereience in casting than Gretorp/Inc. Progamer does not equate to being good/professional casters On April 22 2011 12:23 Defacer wrote: ...and a long, extensive format that gives all players a reasonably even playing field to ascend in the tournament. If you listen to SotG, they cover this topic quite well. There are many matches right now being covered by IPL, NASL, GSL, and TSL, etc. None of the first few weeks of NASL matches will be very exciting because there isn't much on the line right now from a spectating experience. On April 22 2011 12:23 Defacer wrote: They've pulled the wool over the 'hardcore' community's eyes. And I geniunely respect that. IPL is trying to reach out to attract a wider audience for SC2 and Esports and so far, they're on the right track. What does being "hardcore" have to do with anything? | ||
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raybasto
United States151 Posts
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de1irium
United States121 Posts
It's easy to say IGN's production is just glitter, but having a stream that's easy to watch and listen to is pretty key. If IGN gets caster duos and better matches, it will be a force for sure. The production is there, they just need to flesh the rest of it out. But I still think TSL does it best. Polished but not flashy, great matches, great casters, good stream. Boom. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:51 sermokala wrote: my views arn't set in stone if you saw any of the threads I was completely jacked for IPL and I was loving the stream every moment until TB came on. "tiny minority"? did you even look at the viewer counts for tonight? NASL was 5k less then IPL at the start but at the end it was less then 1k away from each other. Even day9 said that he enjoyed his trolls and hes a god among us whats wrong with you? I'm saying my opinion you don't have to attack me because of that. I'm not attacking you, I'm not entirely sure why you're taking offence. Your opinion is not immune from criticism, nor is anyone elses. | ||
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iruehl
United States31 Posts
NASL need to step it up or they will lose more viewer to IPL and GSL. | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
I had both streams running simultaneously but was mostly listening to the audio for the NASL. I'm not going to bash casters, because casters tend to be an acquired taste (especially if you've been spoiled by Tastosis for months) but I favored the NASL casters over the IPL. I think Wheat is a fantastic caster but he is best paired with a Day9 or a Chill. You have to have a caster with the analysis hat on and a caster with the play-by-play hat on. It's just the best balance and provides the best experience for the listeners. Keep it up though IPL, only bigger and better things can come from this. | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
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obsidia
122 Posts
possibly making casting combos could solve the issue, but again its a minor issue.... and might create a bigger problem with casters not being in synch with each others styles. Still max props to the IGN for 100% delivering what they promised. They have, as many people have previously stated set the bar for the production levels of tournements While I personally dont tune in to the NASL regularly, it doesnt mean we all need to start ripping on it because its had a questionable first week, all these tourneys are furthering SC2 as an e-sport, and just because one is initially more professional than the other, doesnt mean we need to tear into the NASL like a pack of hyenas, give them time and im sure they will try match the IPLs dedication to detail and smoothness. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Not really. Some of you are alienated, but not all. The noisy few will always come out in opposition of play-by-play casting, but it's the silent majority that are more important. Every caster alienates somebody, it's not worth worrying about and in this case, the IPL was not aimed squarely at TL's demographic anyway, yet still managed to attract and SUSTAIN a significant viewer count from them, so that alone is proof the concept is worth pursuing. The negativity really is rather depressing if ya take it too seriously and it seems some people are more interesting in tearing down the efforts of others all in the name of 'true fandom'. A true fan would celebrate anything that moves eSports forward, I would think. I agree with total biscuit 100%, this kind of league put by IGN is the perfect way to introduce people to sc2 and it's entertaining to listen to. There are plenty of videos with game commentary as opposed to casting, but a tournament is supposed to be about hype and excitement. We can analyze the games later. Watch the MLB, during the season the commentators discuss the game, but the cast always needs someone to bring excitement. Once the world series hits, most of the commentating goes away and it's pure casting because people want to watch something exciting. The majority of people watching are not hardcore players, just ask day9. Good job total biscuit | ||
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
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DrivE
United States2554 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:55 zerglingsfolife wrote: Well, I will say that being spoiled of the results before the tournament even starts sucks. Especially when it's on twitter of all places ><. Hope that doesn't happen for the next tournament. I'm sure it wont happen again. I thought the stream was great, but they should put a few intermissions because the pacing was sort of fast. | ||
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pycho
Paraguay372 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:53 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm not attacking you, I'm not entirely sure why you're taking offence. Your opinion is not immune from criticism, nor is anyone elses. TB don't waste your breath on haters. can't please everyone but you sure do please MOST everyone. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:53 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm not attacking you, I'm not entirely sure why you're taking offence. Your opinion is not immune from criticism, nor is anyone elses. you called me out for saying some critiism's about the stream while everyones been blindly loveing it and said and I quote "I love these so called 'true fans' of eSports taking a dump on everything they possibly can while contributing nothing of their own to the scene they supposedly live and breath. Thank God they are only a tiny vocal minority or eSports would be in real trouble." I shouldn't take offence to that? (btw just clarifying are you the real tb or just a person with his account name? would feel very bad if I insulted TB himself as I do respect him for having such success as hes had) | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Not really. Some of you are alienated, but not all. The noisy few will always come out in opposition of play-by-play casting, but it's the silent majority that are more important. Every caster alienates somebody, it's not worth worrying about and in this case, the IPL was not aimed squarely at TL's demographic anyway, yet still managed to attract and SUSTAIN a significant viewer count from them, so that alone is proof the concept is worth pursuing. The negativity really is rather depressing if ya take it too seriously and it seems some people are more interesting in tearing down the efforts of others all in the name of 'true fandom'. A true fan would celebrate anything that moves eSports forward, I would think. The 'silent majority' argument in anything is rather silly. Theres plenty of silent people on either side of this argument. I wouldn't be so quick to just say 'im not worried about alienating hardcore fanbase' in this situation. I think the people here are saying that you can have the casual viewer ship like you do on youtube and STILL maintain the 'hardcore' fan base. Just look at day9. He is so respected and highly thought of in the 'hardcore' fan base yet he brought in SO many new people on his own. a TON! I really think you are going about it slightly wrong by targeting the uneducated audience. Simply because you CAN cater to the hardcore fan base and still bring in new blood if you do it right. but if you simply cater to the new fan base and try to retain hardcore viewers you really don't do justice to the players and the prestige of the game itself. Just my 2 cents TB, I'm not a hater... =P | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:42 sermokala wrote: but all of NASL's problems are technical all of IPL's are fundamental. more then one caster? gretorp getting better every night inc is a legit player thats actually playing well in the league. Diggity coming in and doing well. and kalador who is a very very good. TB is a horrid caster that got on my nerves in a single game. Yesterday I watched 3 games of Sheth vs rainbow godlike 40+ games in each one. They where better then anything that IPL had today. poorly done 4 gate rush after poorly done 4 gate rush does not a good stream make. and if tomarrow somehow they fix the stream and it isn't total shit whos a lot better? hell even MLG's going to have a great stream next event. the gloss is going to come off the IPL and people are gona start seeing that. It looks fucking amazing but that can only go so far While I don't see a reason to be impressed by the IPLs production quality, I don't see how you can't see this league as a great thing. Honestly, the production quality of the IPL is almost the minimum requirement for a high-level tournament or league stream. If online communities can put on a show of that quality, a professional organization has no excuse not to. The IPL can learn from certain points of the NASL, having multiple casters would be a great start, but there is no reason not to expect improvement. Who knows how IGN is going to expand upon this first season, what changes they will make? all we know is that if people like the production they put on now, they'll get a lot more money in the future. In this case, production value is more important in the long run. We need to know that these guys can make games look good and can attract the casual fans. As much as "true fans" have driven this sport forward, it will be successful off the back of the casual fan. In the end, if the IPL draws more money, they will get better players and we will see matches comparable to the NASL lineup. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:56 darmousseh wrote: I agree with total biscuit 100%, this kind of league put by IGN is the perfect way to introduce people to sc2 and it's entertaining to listen to. There are plenty of videos with game commentary as opposed to casting, but a tournament is supposed to be about hype and excitement. We can analyze the games later. Watch the MLB, during the season the commentators discuss the game, but the cast always needs someone to bring excitement. Once the world series hits, most of the commentating goes away and it's pure casting because people want to watch something exciting. The majority of people watching are not hardcore players, just ask day9. Good job total biscuit mmmnmmmnmm I'm getting this werid feeling like we're getting into the same debate of husky vs day9 which really makes me :/ because I like husky and I feel like I'm going against him. | ||
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OrderlyChaos
United States1115 Posts
While the IPL's games tonight weren't the best, the casters really did a great job. The production level made everything else look good, which helped bolster the games. I mean, look at the NASL. The games have been better so far, but people don't rave about those because the first week's production was bad and the casters weren't nearly as exciting. I loved TB and Wheat's casting, and I look forward to seeing the IPL. | ||
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
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Blast
26 Posts
I had three streams open tonight and I feel I can put them into three distinct categories. The first was the day9 daily, it was a fantastic thorough analysis of a game that Sheth played (of great interest to me as I am a zerg player) that talked about max army decision making. The second was the NASL, which, while being more focused on games, I still learn a lot during. I personally think Gretorp has amazing game knowledge and I feel I can learn a ton from his conversations with InControl about decisions the players are making. The third was obviously the IPL. This was fantastic because I could just sit back half pay attention and listen to DjWheat go crazy as Catz proxy hatches, or laugh hysterically as TB goes on a ridiculous tangent. My point is that in order to reap the full benefits of day9 (not counting mondays obviously) it requires a lot of focus from me, which sometimes isn't a real possibility after a long day of work. IPL on the other hand I'm not expecting to learn anything so it's something I would feel more comfortable just throwing on as I wind down for the night. NASL serves at somewhere in between. Obviously these my personal feelings but I just thought I'd ask if anyone else had similar opinions. Also, this doesn't take into account things like production quality, in which IPL is obviously way ahead. I feel like that's not that big of a deal though as NASL will eventually get it together. Then's there's the fact that some matches I'm just more generally interested in ( ZvX as opposed to PVP for example) and that can be a factor too. So, long story short, I think they can very easily coexist, as long as NASL steps up in the production quality department (like I expect them to). | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
TB/DJ Wheat don't need to cast with the any in-depth analysis, hell, Khaldaor was casting in German during one of the Dreamhacks and stole like 60% of the viewers from the English stream. As long as the casters aren't trying to do something they aren't capable of doing, then people will enjoy it. In-depth analysis is a tricky thing, if you haven't been following/playing this game for a long time then don't bother trying, the worst things you can do in commentating is saying something that is blatantly wrong, when that happens people notice and it pulls them away from the game. As long NASL can fix up their video/sound issues + Gretorp/InControl get more experience with their casting, then the league will have a great future. People trying to pit one league against another aren't achieving anything. Enjoy both leagues. IPL has greater production due to much greater preparation before they air and NASL is an on going league with 50 of the best players in the world casting games that have only happened a day or two before with high level analysis. I guess I just watch these streams for the actual games rather than how amazing the casting is or pretty the graphics are, those always come second in my eyes (unless they are super awful, but neither IPL or NASL are doing anything terribly ) | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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kathode
United States265 Posts
I do not see why people are arguing against the way someone is casting. I personally thought that it was great to include brief blurbs that target a more "uneducated audience." I do not see why that would turn "hardcore esports fans" away from IPL. IPL has AMAZING production value and is not targeted towards the most "hardcore, professional" players in the world as TB stated. Not every league with over $50 in prizes has to be 100% catered to hardcore players, get over it. TB did a absolutely phenomenal job, as well as Wheat, in being able to bridge the knowledge gap into bringing more potential players and viewers into the scene and if that causes people to stop watching IPL, so be it. People need to lighten up. Hardcore players mainly watch the games, newcomers need advice and that is sometimes what casters can help with for 20 seconds per game. Good work IPL, awesome casting TB and Wheat. Have not listened in on a lot of games casted by you yet TB and will definitely start tuning in more in the future. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:01 sermokala wrote: mmmnmmmnmm I'm getting this werid feeling like we're getting into the same debate of husky vs day9 which really makes me :/ because I like husky and I feel like I'm going against him. just like the day9 vs husky debate, you can still be in both camps. everyone will however find a preference for one or the either. IPL is seemingly being presented merely as training wheels for real SC2. zero analysis, no player thoughts after games, just lots of 'violence' and graphical fluff with very little focus on strategy or tactics. IGN is clearly focusing on a different demographic that will hopefully funnel a ton of people into the scene the same way husky did. strictly judging after today, i would rather watch NASL for the most part. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:42 sermokala wrote: but all of NASL's problems are technical all of IPL's are fundamental. more then one caster? gretorp getting better every night inc is a legit player thats actually playing well in the league. Diggity coming in and doing well. and kalador who is a very very good. TB is a horrid caster that got on my nerves in a single game. Yesterday I watched 3 games of Sheth vs rainbow godlike 40+ games in each one. They where better then anything that IPL had today. poorly done 4 gate rush after poorly done 4 gate rush does not a good stream make. and if tomarrow somehow they fix the stream and it isn't total shit whos a lot better? hell even MLG's going to have a great stream next event. the gloss is going to come off the IPL and people are gona start seeing that. It looks fucking amazing but that can only go so far IPL's problems are fundamental? lmao I myself think casting is best done as a duo, but with that said, the solo casting today was quite decent and still passable at worst. The casting in NASL has it's own issues, the casting in the IPL has some of it's own. I would say that neither are really a deal breaker though I personally like casting in well rounded pairs. Yesterday, I watched 3 games of Sheth vs Rainbow as well and was fucking facepalming waiting for those games to end. The only reason they went on that long were because Sheth kept going fucking Ultralisks and Zerglings against a 19 tank strong siege line when he could have won the game with Broodlords. Then he went Broodlords consistently when there were already Vikings out... Everyone in chat was kind of annoyed because a simple tech switch would have ended the game... After the first 40 minute game, do you remember the reaction of the casters? It wasn't, "OH MY GOD, what an amazing macro game we just witnessed, that was astounding what play"... It was more like, "Oh... that games was-", "Yeah... that was long". The quality of games right now is slightly better in the NASL but as we get deeper into these brackets we'll have much better games I'm sure, there were some really solid games today as well. If they fixed their stream tomorrow, I'd still say the IPL is better because of the quality of production and the amount of content we're getting for free at the quality we're getting it. | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:00 Bijan wrote: While I don't see a reason to be impressed by the IPLs production quality, I don't see how you can't see this league as a great thing. Honestly, the production quality of the IPL is almost the minimum requirement for a high-level tournament or league stream. If online communities can put on a show of that quality, a professional organization has no excuse not to. The IPL can learn from certain points of the NASL, having multiple casters would be a great start, but there is no reason not to expect improvement. Who knows how IGN is going to expand upon this first season, what changes they will make? all we know is that if people like the production they put on now, they'll get a lot more money in the future. In this case, production value is more important in the long run. We need to know that these guys can make games look good and can attract the casual fans. As much as "true fans" have driven this sport forward, it will be successful off the back of the casual fan. In the end, if the IPL draws more money, they will get better players and we will see matches comparable to the NASL lineup. Well the IPL has 150k for prizes this year at the minimum. I think they need to open it up to at least european players, the lag from Europe to the US isn't bad, and when you have White-ra,Demuslim,TLO, RET, ect on top of Idra, Incontrol, Catz, and Kiwikaki then you have a pretty damn amazing lineup. I think they said the qualifier will be open on top of the top4 from this tourney getting auto invites. | ||
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revoN
Japan804 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Whiplash wrote: I tuned in to watch it and was instantly impressed. The production quality is INCREDIBLE. This is what the NASL should have been. This. User was warned for this post | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Things I think need adjusting: 1. Co-casters are needed. I'm a huge fan of both TB and Wheat, but I think they would both be improved by co-casters. Not only would it help them set a better pace, but it's also very difficult to keep up with the entire map with just one person. 2. The Stats screen is pretty useless. The minimap and APM are nice, but there's no point to the other three stats and they show very little correlation to what happened in the game. I know this is the fault of Blizzard because the numbers are just borrowed from their recap, but still, an all-encompassing Resources number doesn't provide any useful information. My suggestion: Show the build orders instead. Besides that, I've got nothing else. Great job! | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:22 Golgotha wrote: same lol, I was going to force myself to watch nasl but I saw this other IPL thingy on the TL stream page...I click it and my life is changed. lol same, and i am an nasl subscriber :O, it just doesnt interest me there are too many mistakes and the quality of everything in the IPL is just way better than NASL >< i wish it werent true because NASL has great players but the quality is poopy and gives me a headache even as a subscriber watching 1080p, 15 frames per second fail encoding FTL. Its 15 fps for everyone i find it funny the people that say the NASL stream is great/fine clearly they know nothing about video quality, i dont like to play my games at 15 fps, and i sure as hell dont want to watch games that i payed for at that framerate either =/ GO IPL you guys did a fantastic job today, very entertaining | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:11 Mordiford wrote: IPL's problems are fundamental? lmao I myself think casting is best done as a duo, but with that said, the solo casting today was quite decent and still passable at worst. The casting in NASL has it's own issues, the casting in the IPL has some of it's own. I would say that neither are really a deal breaker though I personally like casting in well rounded pairs. Yesterday, I watched 3 games of Sheth vs Rainbow as well and was fucking facepalming waiting for those games to end. The only reason they went on that long were because Sheth kept going fucking Ultralisks and Zerglings against a 19 tank strong siege line when he could have won the game with Broodlords. Then he went Broodlords consistently when there were already Vikings out... Everyone in chat was kind of annoyed because a simple tech switch would have ended the game... After the first 40 minute game, do you remember the reaction of the casters? It wasn't, "OH MY GOD, what an amazing macro game we just witnessed, that was astounding what play"... It was more like, "Oh... that games was-", "Yeah... that was long". The quality of games right now is slightly better in the NASL but as we get deeper into these brackets we'll have much better games I'm sure, there were some really solid games today as well. If they fixed their stream tomorrow, I'd still say the IPL is better because of the quality of production and the amount of content we're getting for free at the quality we're getting it. That's entirely the problem. You are valuing production quality way more than the quality and significance of the games. When it comes down to it. Right now, NASL players are better and competing in something more meaningful at the moment. Now if IPL gets better players in a bigger league then this will be exciting!! But acting like IPL today was better than NASL in any way except production I would argue is entirely wrong.. | ||
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RavenWolf
United States205 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:10 Terranist wrote: just like the day9 vs husky debate, you can still be in both camps. everyone will however find a preference for one or the either. IPL is seemingly being presented merely as training wheels for real SC2. zero analysis, no player thoughts after games, just lots of 'violence' and graphical fluff with very little focus on strategy or tactics. IGN is clearly focusing on a different demographic that will hopefully funnel a ton of people into the scene the same way husky did. strictly judging after today, i would rather watch NASL for the most part. I prefer NASL as well, simply because of the caliber of play. I think the NASL will really start to heat up as the players compete for the first and second seeds and enter "must-win" situations. But I have to admit, there's a lot of little things that the IPL is doing well that the NASL should pick up on. Good production is all about the details. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:11 Mordiford wrote: IPL's problems are fundamental? lmao I myself think casting is best done as a duo, but with that said, the solo casting today was quite decent and still passable at worst. The casting in NASL has it's own issues, the casting in the IPL has some of it's own. I would say that neither are really a deal breaker though I personally like casting in well rounded pairs. Yesterday, I watched 3 games of Sheth vs Rainbow as well and was fucking facepalming waiting for those games to end. The only reason they went on that long were because Sheth kept going fucking Ultralisks and Zerglings against a 19 tank strong siege line when he could have won the game with Broodlords. Then he went Broodlords consistently when there were already Vikings out... Everyone in chat was kind of annoyed because a simple tech switch would have ended the game... After the first 40 minute game, do you remember the reaction of the casters? It wasn't, "OH MY GOD, what an amazing macro game we just witnessed, that was astounding what play"... It was more like, "Oh... that games was-", "Yeah... that was long". The quality of games right now is slightly better in the NASL but as we get deeper into these brackets we'll have much better games I'm sure, there were some really solid games today as well. If they fixed their stream tomorrow, I'd still say the IPL is better because of the quality of production and the amount of content we're getting for free at the quality we're getting it. Yea i was face palming pretty hard during 2 out of 3 of those games ,the third one just made me feel sorry for rainbow because the lag was so bad, all in all not a great series, i dont know what this guy is talking about but clearly hes never watched the GSL before and seen a truely epic high quality series, like the Boxer vs avenge, that was pretty sickk, or MKP vs Nada yesterday also incredibly sick | ||
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1112 Posts
The competition between the two will help both improve. NASL will get better production quality, a more exciting backdrop, and better sound/video. IPL will get better players, better casting (dual casters are a must) and more interesting games. There's no reason to think that they can't coexist. The MSL and OSL have both been successful in Korea for many years. In the end, it's us, the fans, who benefit the most. | ||
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jimmyjangles
United States22 Posts
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PoopLord
537 Posts
Quality of the stream is nice, but the solo caster makes it dull. Also, I prefer NASL's awesome player pool. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:14 Zeri wrote: That's entirely the problem. You are valuing production quality way more than the quality and significance of the games. When it comes down to it. Right now, NASL players are better and competing in something more meaningful at the moment. Now if IPL gets better players in a bigger league then this will be exciting!! But acting like IPL today was better than NASL in any way except production I would argue is entirely wrong.. You realize that all but a couple of the players from the IPL aren't in the NASL right? The quality of play from players can vary from day to day and game to game, there have been some pretty boring days in the NASL, to be honest, if you asked me for some stand out good games, I'd name a few but I could name one or two that were pretty exciting today as well. Yes, it would be cool to see some of the big names from the NASL in the IPL and I'm hoping we'll see that in the actual launch as opposed to the seeded test run. But as of now, the player list is hardly a deal breaker, considering almost all of them are also in the NASL. | ||
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thedz
United States217 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:17 Jeremy Reimer wrote: Having two leagues like NASL and IPL legitimizes the idea of a North American Star League, and can only be good for both leagues. The competition between the two will help both improve. NASL will get better production quality, a more exciting backdrop, and better sound/video. IPL will get better players, better casting (dual casters are a must) and more interesting games. There's no reason to think that they can't coexist. The MSL and OSL have both been successful in Korea for many years. In the end, it's us, the fans, who benefit the most. This. Despite what some might think, the people behind NASL and the people behind IPL are not mortal enemies doomed to fight each other to the death. The SC2 scene, as it is, is pretty small. Most influential members of the community know most other similar members either personally, or through one connection. This isn't two sides of a war for SC2 supremacy. This is a group of very dedicated, very determined and very enthusiastic players and organizers who not only want the best for their own products, but also the best for others. Only, their opinion might differ on how to best bring out that product. But that's the nature of competition, and competition is something that shouldn't be warded away. StarCraft II needs an ecosystem of tournaments, leagues, and players of all ages and generations. And the IPL and NASL are the first steps of the road towards obtaining the kind of self-perpetuating ecosystem that the scene needs to be a viable, long term bastion of professional esports. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:16 Defacer wrote: I prefer NASL as well, simply because of the caliber of play. I think the NASL will really start to heat up as the players compete for the first and second seeds and enter "must-win" situations. But I have to admit, there's a lot of little things that the IPL is doing well that the NASL should pick up on. Good production is all about the details. keep in mind that these games were played long ago in order to give the production team enough time to create these pretty overlays and the consequence is that the results are leaked and the entire league spoiled. i wouldn't dare open the JTV chat while watching if i bother to even keep watching. NASL has technical issues that will be ironed out over time but it is a fully functioning league that the purists can get behind and support. i really want it to succeed because they have the right formula when it comes to esports. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
well it was amazing 2 hours ago idrajit Greg Fields ipl quality is amazing this looks like watching the korean gsl stream from korea http://www.ign.com/ipl 3 hours ago uh wow lol. I guess IPL get the gracken seal of approval. You don't see that often. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
People with awful internet have so much trouble loading all the videos on the stream, and forwarding/rewinding them. Your player seems to block addons like DownloadHelper and OrbitDownloader to download the .flv files, so I don't know how to download them =/ | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:12 Zerker wrote: This thread is dedicated to how good IGN pro league stream is. If you have anything to say, negative or positive post it here! What i noticed at first - Quality is 1080p, Seriuosly it looks like your watching a dvd! - Audio is amazing, Its crisp, sharp, response is good. - Custom artwork for the players, Almost resembles street fighter! - Professional casters that have a lot of experience in the casting field? YES PLEASE. Leave a comment of your own, why you think this stream / league is amazing or if your disappointed :D 1920 x 1080 = 6 x ( 720 x 480 = DVD ) in size ( resolution ), but that doesn't necessarily determine the quality. Lower Constant Rate Factor = better quality Lossless encode would be even better though | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:24 thedz wrote: This. Despite what some might think, the people behind NASL and the people behind IPL are not mortal enemies doomed to fight each other to the death. The SC2 scene, as it is, is pretty small. Most influential members of the community know most other similar members either personally, or through one connection. This isn't two sides of a war for SC2 supremacy. This is a group of very dedicated, very determined and very enthusiastic players and organizers who not only want the best for their own products, but also the best for others. Only, their opinion might differ on how to best bring out that product. But that's the nature of competition, and competition is something that shouldn't be warded away. StarCraft II needs an ecosystem of tournaments, leagues, and players of all ages and generations. And the IPL and NASL are the first steps of the road towards obtaining the kind of self-perpetuating ecosystem that the scene needs to be a viable, long term bastion of professional esports. QFT for the both of you. Now if everyone can see this, it would be a HUGE step in the right direction. As for Korea and the MSL and OSL, if E-Sports in the west continues to grow, I wouldn't be surprised if we have more than just two main Starleagues, maybe we'll have 3, 4,... who knows. the sky's the limit. Please, don't pit the two leagues against one another. As for what they could have done better, dual casters is a much if you're going to start a league. That's pretty much my main gripe. | ||
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krews
United States1308 Posts
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motumbo
United States130 Posts
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
Positive 1 - TB and DJW actually drew me into the games, and made them interesting in a way that hasn't happened before. Usually I'm more of a "Oh that was a good play, I wonder what his next move is?" type of spectator, but the casters really got me interested in the outcome of the game! So big props for that. 2 - Loved the production, made everything seem really cohesive. "Felt" like a real sports game that you might find on a sports channel on TV, something I think all leagues should aim for if they want to go mainstream. Negative 1 - As has been mentioned before, 2 casters might be a better option. However, if the 2nd caster's audio isn't in sync. (ie: done over skype, not live in person), then I feel going with one smooth caster is better. In short: 2 cohesive live casters > 1 caster > 2 casters out of sync/bad audio. | ||
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
i can see why people would like nasl more, but as far as pulling someone in, IPL does it better. IPL is the hot blonde with big tits and NASL is the nerdy hipster who you could find attractive if you looked hard enough. | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:24 Mordiford wrote: You realize that all but a couple of the players from the IPL aren't in the NASL right? The quality of play from players can vary from day to day and game to game, there have been some pretty boring days in the NASL, to be honest, if you asked me for some stand out good games, I'd name a few but I could name one or two that were pretty exciting today as well. Yes, it would be cool to see some of the big names from the NASL in the IPL and I'm hoping we'll see that in the actual launch as opposed to the seeded test run. But as of now, the player list is hardly a deal breaker, considering almost all of them are also in the NASL. I know. Thats why I said things like 'at the moment' and 'right now.' If IPL grows and has just as good of player lineup as NASL that will be awesome. My entire point, however, was while production may seem awesome right now. Its the quality and importance of the games that will really sustain a good league, and thats how it should be. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
I do like the whole NASL doing a gigantic round robin and making it more like a sports regular season, but that will be a turn off for most people. They will see these matches as less important than any other tournament, and with players seemingly giving walkovers like it's nothing, it just adds to the image that the regular season portion of the tournament is useless. I'm sure the ending of NASL will be huge and get tons of viewers, but before that, I think the viewer interest might even go down even more. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:26 Terranist wrote: keep in mind that these games were played long ago in order to give the production team enough time to create these pretty overlays and the consequence is that the results are leaked and the entire league spoiled. i wouldn't dare open the JTV chat while watching if i bother to even keep watching. NASL has technical issues that will be ironed out over time but it is a fully functioning league that the purists can get behind and support. i really want it to succeed because they have the right formula when it comes to esports. Maybe I have access to different information than you but as a huge starcraft nerd(i loved those qxschool and stik casts and ancient day9 dailies where he never gets excited about anything) I think your complaints about their being fundamental issues with the IPL are more than just a little ridiculous. I'm not that big on the casting but regarding the games or the player pool or the prizes, have you even been paying attention? These were the dudes they could get out to the studio for the production on the test run. There will be actual qualifiers in future seasons which strikes me as something you SHOULD be supporting as a "true fan" because it promotes players who can demonstrably produce results; no subjectivity or guesswork is needed. The NASL system's qualifier system is extremely limited, even for the people it brings in in season 2. Regarding the spoilers, it's a major issue. This was pointed out to IGN.Alex on SomethingAwful and he had this to say: "The guest account thing where you can schedule times for the players and then go into the files and edit their names to the correct name is great if you're on the same kind of timetable as the TSL. We're wanting to move a little faster and provide more then 2 days of content a week, so it's harder to work that in. It's absolutely something we considered though, and may revisit that idea in the future. It's without a doubt the most secure way to hide results. We will likely be using cloaked maps though next time." | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:32 Turo wrote: I would just like to add my opinion in here: Positive 1 - TB and DJW actually drew me into the games, and made them interesting in a way that hasn't happened before. Usually I'm more of a "Oh that was a good play, I wonder what his next move is?" type of spectator, but the casters really got me interested in the outcome of the game! So big props for that. 2 - Loved the production, made everything seem really cohesive. "Felt" like a real sports game that you might find on a sports channel on TV, something I think all leagues should aim for if they want to go mainstream. Negative 1 - As has been mentioned before, 2 casters might be a better option. However, if the 2nd caster's audio isn't in sync. (ie: done over skype, not live in person), then I feel going with one smooth caster is better. In short: 2 cohesive live casters > 1 caster > 2 casters out of sync/bad audio. TSL does 2 casters over skype, using a program to make sure that the replays are in sync, so there definatelly is a way to do it, and outside the rare ocasion were the connection of one of them craps out, you can't even notice they aren't in the same house. And even in those ocasions it is fixed quickly. | ||
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:35 SKC wrote: TSL does 2 casters over skype, using a program to make sure that the replays are in sync, so there definatelly is a way to do it, and outside the rare ocasion were the connection of one of them craps out, you can't even notice they aren't in the same house. And even in those ocasions it is fixed quickly. Yep, I'm aware other leagues do it, and so should IGN. Just saying I would rather have 1 caster doing an excellent job, than have 2 casters botching things. =] | ||
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tychusfuddley
Vanuatu39 Posts
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VillageBC
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Jayrod
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On April 22 2011 13:10 Terranist wrote: just like the day9 vs husky debate, you can still be in both camps. everyone will however find a preference for one or the either. IPL is seemingly being presented merely as training wheels for real SC2. zero analysis, no player thoughts after games, just lots of 'violence' and graphical fluff with very little focus on strategy or tactics. IGN is clearly focusing on a different demographic that will hopefully funnel a ton of people into the scene the same way husky did. strictly judging after today, i would rather watch NASL for the most part. What are you missing? Its NOT training... its ENTERTAINMENT... thats the goal... thats the end-game for a money-making operation. If you want analysis watch the day 9 daily but I assure you that the more competitive crowd doesnt spend much time watching this stuff for analysis. The more "hardcore" crowd is more likely to watch these games for entertainment and not so they can hear their own thoughts being echoed by some caster. Do you honestly a mid-masters + player needs to even have audio on to draw any strategic inferences from what they are watching? | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:34 Fionn wrote: I enjoy IPL more. NASL does have better players, but I still think the highest competition in the world is still easily GSL, so I don't put much weight in who has the better players. IPL seems to be more on the ball than NASL; no walkovers, better production, and more prepared. I do like the whole NASL doing a gigantic round robin and making it more like a sports regular season, but that will be a turn off for most people. They will see these matches as less important than any other tournament, and with players seemingly giving walkovers like it's nothing, it just adds to the image that the regular season portion of the tournament is useless. I'm sure the ending of NASL will be huge and get tons of viewers, but before that, I think the viewer interest might even go down even more. I think a lot of the walkovers have to do with the fact that they can miss a day and not be out of the tournament. Frankly, I think it's a little short-sighted by some of these players...I know it happens, but it may very well end up biting some of them and if you don't make the top 2 of your group you face the possibility of not automatically qualifying for the next season. This is why I still look forward to NASL more -- because I think the idea of having a regular season (including that open bracket which may lead to interesting 16 seeds) leading up to a playoffs will make for some exciting times and drama. That said however, I would echo what most sane people are saying. There's no reason they can't co-exist and they both in their formats provide slightly different experiences, both for the players and spectators. I think of IPL as March Madness and NASL as the NBA in that sense. Both exciting for their own reasons. | ||
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:41 tychusfuddley wrote: One question? How many viewers it will take for IPL 2 to happen?. Is 10,000 viewers to low?. I think they need at least 50,000 to 60,000 live viewers for IPL 2 to happen. Probably has a lot to do with VOD views as well, live numbers aren't everything. It also has to compete for viewers with NASL and other tournies/streamers going on during the live broadcast. IPL blew me away today, I wish I hadn't already been spoilered the results! | ||
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andy186
Australia1058 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:53 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm not attacking you, I'm not entirely sure why you're taking offence. Your opinion is not immune from criticism, nor is anyone elses. Bullshit you aren't attacking him. Almost every single post that says something bad about IGNPL. You have jumped in going OMG how dare you say something bad. If it doesn't affect you sit down and stop making yourself look stupid by attacking everyone Was too early for me to watch IPL so will watch when vods come out and see how it goes | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
Let us strive to grow this house of E-sports and raise it up to the heavens...where all shall see and proclaim with wonder. Anyway, really nice broadcast. Was digging the 1080p. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:26 dtz wrote: idrajit Greg Fields well it was amazing 2 hours ago idrajit Greg Fields ipl quality is amazing this looks like watching the korean gsl stream from korea http://www.ign.com/ipl 3 hours ago uh wow lol. I guess IPL get the gracken seal of approval. You don't see that often. It's funny how whenever IdrA likes something, it's SHOCKING news. LOL. I remember when he described Artosis' cat as "the most perfect being on Earth" on State of the Game. I was like, "Holy Shit! Idra actually ... likes something!" | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
That being said a lot of commentators do have that but people don't realize it. The biggest thing people I think hate is when commentators call the wrong thing out when it comes to analysis. Then again I think there could be a study of commentators because it seems so important when in comparison to other sports and games there's not as much speculation and controversy. I in general think this holds the scene back, People need to appreciate the games and the casters for who they are and stop getting into the nit and grit about casters and saying "i muted it because of the casters", if we want e-sports to grow stop putting this divide. In the end I really don't understand the obsession, watch for the players not the casters... | ||
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thedz
United States217 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:46 dANiELcanuck wrote: Probably has a lot to do with VOD views as well, live numbers aren't everything. It also has to compete for viewers with NASL and other tournies/streamers going on during the live broadcast. IPL blew me away today, I wish I hadn't already been spoilered the results! IIRC, IGN have said they are committed to a IPL2. So that's already locked down. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:53 thedz wrote: IIRC, IGN have said they are committed to a IPL2. So that's already locked down. Plus expecting 50 to 60k viewers is ridiculous. TSL3's opening weekend had like 50k and has hit 40k the rest of the time and thats something people have been waiting for. No way IPL will get that many viewers off the bat. | ||
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jombeeno
United States47 Posts
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edward.IGN
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
It's not close to what a full production should be, but this is the first night of the first league. I can only see it improving, and that's what's so good about it. Simlarily to the NASL in that, if you are guaranteed to be locked down for more events, then I expect production to rise and continually smooth out each week and get better and better. Like I said, great, great starting point and can't wait until next season (or even later this season perhaps). | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:35 SKC wrote: TSL does 2 casters over skype, using a program to make sure that the replays are in sync, so there definatelly is a way to do it, and outside the rare ocasion were the connection of one of them craps out, you can't even notice they aren't in the same house. And even in those ocasions it is fixed quickly. TSL casts over TeamSpeak, just a correction. | ||
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I Hott Sauce I
United States91 Posts
Had to mute TB's part. We need better commentators! Also, have two commentators, watching one guy talk about this game....I'd rather just watch a Youtube vid. | ||
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LesPhoques
Canada782 Posts
Amazing, amazing job. Well done, SCReddit HWAITING !!! | ||
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tychusfuddley
Vanuatu39 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:57 edward.IGN wrote: Hi, everyone, thanks for tuning in tonight and all the support, we are blown away by your passion and love for the game. IPL2 is confirmed, and from our point of view success is not only gauged by how many concurrent users are watching the live stream, but also how many VOD views we get, and most importantly, how well received we are by the greater community. where can we see the vods? | ||
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thedz
United States217 Posts
Eventually, here: http://www.ign.com/ipl/videos | ||
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Kuri
Canada88 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:57 edward.IGN wrote: Hi, everyone, thanks for tuning in tonight and all the support, we are blown away by your passion and love for the game. IPL2 is confirmed, and from our point of view success is not only gauged by how many concurrent users are watching the live stream, but also how many VOD views we get, and most importantly, how well received we are by the greater community. It was a fantastic production. I will definitely be spreading the word. You guys have set the standard really high. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
There aren't even any commercials between games... | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Just out of curiosity... how does IGN/ WP make money from this? There aren't even any commercials between games... The first two days are commercial free. There will be commercials from then on, but I dont know when they will be aired. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Just out of curiosity... how does IGN/ WP make money from this? There aren't even any commercials between games... There will be commercials eventually. I believe they removed the commercial for the first few days because they got a certain amount of followers on twitters or facebook likes. Basically i think IGN is looking at this in the long term ie they do not try to make profit immediately but first try to lure more people in | ||
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SiCkO_
United States481 Posts
unless casters have worked together before, they usually wind up talking over each other or putting in long silences. I though TB and Wheat struck a nice balance between analytical and exciting, which will really go a long way towards making Starcraft 2 more enjoyable, let's face it, most people don't care about the unit composition unless they are watching for tips, or because they are hardcore fans, personally, i watch casts for enjoyment, I'll watch replays for information great job IPL, Wheat and TB, keep up your awesome work! | ||
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2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:09 dtz wrote: There will be commercials eventually. I believe they removed the commercial for the first few days because they got a certain amount of followers on twitters or facebook likes. Basically i think IGN is looking at this in the long term ie they do not try to make profit immediately but first try to lure more people in Ah, well that makes sense. I think that's a smart marketing move, and I don't blame them for putting ads in there eventually. I certainly don't mind watching commercials between games for this level of production | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
Really cool to hear and see the team behind this incredible production. No wonder it was so excellent and I'm sure will continue to be. | ||
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fabioisonfire
United States81 Posts
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Kevincible
Canada70 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:55 jmbthirteen wrote: Plus expecting 50 to 60k viewers is ridiculous. TSL3's opening weekend had like 50k and has hit 40k the rest of the time and thats something people have been waiting for. No way IPL will get that many viewers off the bat. That many viewers is ambitious but they truly delivered with their production and casting today. If the players bring great and entertaining matches than it's something that is achievable by the time the second season starts. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
But as it is, NASL has a long road ahead of them. What they are doing is much bigger of a task than IPL. The way IPL has done it is much smater though, started small without a lot of hype then grow it. It isn't like NASL is terrible, but IPL, IMO, will have greater success, just due to quality alone. Although I'm quite content watching just the games, a lot of people need more to draw them in, especially those who aren't enthusiasts already. But the internet has a thing for quality, make great content and people will come. NASL already has a large following, if they take community feedback seriously then they are only going to get bigger. In the future I think NASL will have to adopt the IGN approach, of free Vods w/ advertising and better production quality. But for now just fixing the video/sound issues and improving the casting will go a long way | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:11 2WeaK wrote: Not reading through the whole thing... But just going on the website, I saw "First two days of IPL1 will be ad-free!" >.> Just saying. So don't rejoice too quickly about IPL being ad free. Who cares, though? It's free and it's awesome, so bring on the commercials.. not any different than tuning into any other sport. I hope all tournaments all eventually follow this business model. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:35 Turgid wrote: Maybe I have access to different information than you but as a huge starcraft nerd(i loved those qxschool and stik casts and ancient day9 dailies where he never gets excited about anything) I think your complaints about their being fundamental issues with the IPL are more than just a little ridiculous. I'm not that big on the casting but regarding the games or the player pool or the prizes, have you even been paying attention? These were the dudes they could get out to the studio for the production on the test run. There will be actual qualifiers in future seasons which strikes me as something you SHOULD be supporting as a "true fan" because it promotes players who can demonstrably produce results; no subjectivity or guesswork is needed. The NASL system's qualifier system is extremely limited, even for the people it brings in in season 2. Regarding the spoilers, it's a major issue. This was pointed out to IGN.Alex on SomethingAwful and he had this to say: "The guest account thing where you can schedule times for the players and then go into the files and edit their names to the correct name is great if you're on the same kind of timetable as the TSL. We're wanting to move a little faster and provide more then 2 days of content a week, so it's harder to work that in. It's absolutely something we considered though, and may revisit that idea in the future. It's without a doubt the most secure way to hide results. We will likely be using cloaked maps though next time." spoiler is a massive issue. i find it completely unacceptable that the results for an entire tournament are leaked before the first game even airs. this would never happen to any tournament that takes itself seriously. what happened in IPL is entirely a fundamental error. IPL is also presenting itself wrong by making the players into generic nerds fighting each other like robots. the players themselves give no thoughts or input throughout day 1. no interviews, no discussions, only casters like TB and wheat typecasting them into something that casual gamers can relate with. as a spectator, i like to know more about how player 'X' would have reacted to situation 'Y' and if he regrets playing build 'Z'. that stuff is critical to not only helping people appreciate such a deep game, but giving insight into what makes these players so supremely talented. | ||
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jiveturkey
United States18 Posts
The casters aren't as good. The matchups aren't as good. They don't have the stat tracking, standings, win rates vs different races, player profiles, team profiles, etc... I'm surprised people care so much about things like the background music and the wall behind the casters. Why is that more important than the infrastructure housed on the NASL website and the quality of the matches. They have some hiccups because they have a less experienced production team, but that can easily and will improve with time. This hype over IPL is just the spillover of the disappointed from NASL. People are just mad about NASL. Same reason people thought Dreamhack was greatest thing on the face of this Earth; it came after MLG Dallas. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:40 jiveturkey wrote: The only thing IPL has over NASL is production value. The casters aren't as good. The matchups aren't as good. They don't have the stat tracking, standings, win rates vs different races, player profiles, team profiles, etc... I'm surprised people care so much about things like the background music and the wall behind the casters. Why is that more important than the infrastructure housed on the NASL website and the quality of the matches. They have some hiccups because they have a less experienced production team, but that can easily and will improve with time. This hype over IPL is just the spillover of the disappointed from NASL. People are just mad about NASL. Same reason people thought Dreamhack was greatest thing on the face of this Earth; it came after MLG Dallas. Its not that people care so much about the production value, its that the production value is that good. Its probably the best production we have seen so far. And Dreamhack was great and deserved the praise it got. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:40 jiveturkey wrote: The only thing IPL has over NASL is production value. The casters aren't as good. The matchups aren't as good. They don't have the stat tracking, standings, win rates vs different races, player profiles, team profiles, etc... I'm surprised people care so much about things like the background music and the wall behind the casters. Why is that more important than the infrastructure housed on the NASL website and the quality of the matches. They have some hiccups because they have a less experienced production team, but that can easily and will improve with time. This hype over IPL is just the spillover of the disappointed from NASL. People are just mad about NASL. Same reason people thought Dreamhack was greatest thing on the face of this Earth; it came after MLG Dallas. Not really, this has already been addressed previously... The casters are fine, it comes down to preference, I'd say it's a toss up as to which casting setup you like more and which casters you like more. The matchups are fairly good, almost everyone in the IPL is also in the NASL and the people who aren't were barely left out so... Yeah. Sure, we don't get to see Boxer or Nada, so I'll sort of give you that, but considering that this was an introductory tournament meant for NA players, it's not really a huge deal. Stat tracking, win rates vs different races, player profiles, team profiles... They don't really need the first two right now considering that this is a tournament as opposed to a league/divisional format. As for player profiles, they have rudimentary ones with much better interviews available than those of the NASL. You act as thought production is not a big deal but you forget that we're talking about the quality of the stream, audio, graphics, stability and accessibility all for free. This is pretty much a base line of what a really good tournament should have. People praised the quality of the TSL3 and the Reddit Invitational a while back for the same reasons if I'm not mistaken. The first round of the TSL was sort of iffy with pros dropping without much of a fight, but people still praised the shit out of the production quality. Similarly, Dreamhack was praised because it was great... It's not all spill-over from previous events. | ||
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BWILLdur
United States100 Posts
It looks great so far though. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:40 jiveturkey wrote: The only thing IPL has over NASL is production value. The casters aren't as good. The matchups aren't as good. They don't have the stat tracking, standings, win rates vs different races, player profiles, team profiles, etc... I'm surprised people care so much about things like the background music and the wall behind the casters. Why is that more important than the infrastructure housed on the NASL website and the quality of the matches. They have some hiccups because they have a less experienced production team, but that can easily and will improve with time. This hype over IPL is just the spillover of the disappointed from NASL. People are just mad about NASL. Same reason people thought Dreamhack was greatest thing on the face of this Earth; it came after MLG Dallas. I agree with this. Cool name animations and music only go so far, the actual game quality should be the deciding factor. I'll wait till NASL gets into further rounds before judging. | ||
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jonathan1
United States395 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:46 Nerdslayer wrote: I agree but us from EU can watch it so wtf is the point!! Blasphemy! I watched it :p | ||
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Werk
United States294 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:36 Terranist wrote: spoiler is a massive issue. i find it completely unacceptable that the results for an entire tournament are leaked before the first game even airs. this would never happen to any tournament that takes itself seriously. what happened in IPL is entirely a fundamental error. IPL is also presenting itself wrong by making the players into generic nerds fighting each other like robots. the players themselves give no thoughts or input throughout day 1. no interviews, no discussions, only casters like TB and wheat typecasting them into something that casual gamers can relate with. as a spectator, i like to know more about how player 'X' would have reacted to situation 'Y' and if he regrets playing build 'Z'. that stuff is critical to not only helping people appreciate such a deep game, but giving insight into what makes these players so supremely talented. Why is the leaking of results a fundamental error? It was caused by negligence and to say it is a fundamental error means it will happen over and over again because it is due to the way they do things. If they use maps who hide results as well as not accidentally posting the results then it won't happen again. Was it a grave error? Sure it was. But it was in no way fundamental And actually the insights that you are asking for are in the website.A lot of players are interviewed in the website very professionally. For example, catz were interviewed about his cheeses and why he does it and does he think it takes less skill. A few other players were also asked about what they think of catz's unorthodox style. In the game today, + Show Spoiler + catz did a proxy hatch Oh and i feel that Dreamhack was the best tournament ever. Awesome games , players, productions, casters and the best HOST ever. Regardless of how MLG Dallas went, praises will still be sung about DH invitational. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:38 DirtYLOu wrote: IPL >>>>>> NASL And to think that NASL has SO MUCH more money, and still IPL's production is better... Wait what? NASL has more money than IGN? Just because they have a bigger prise pool doesn't mean they have more money. IGN is a huge company that has way more money than NASL. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
1) Pretty awesome quality. Probably the best out there, together with GSL. 2) There are some points where you can work on. But this is a test run season, and the things that I would like you to change seems to be easy to change, like getting another caster. And I heard on SotG you have a pretty solid line-up. These are my first thoughts. If I have to pay 25$ to support you or the NASL I would probably spend it on you guys. You seem to be professionals. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
I'd like to see DJ Wheat and TB paired up with good commentators in the future. | ||
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MorNin
United States443 Posts
I was impressed with TB and the way it looked but the competition doesnt match to that of NASL. The more leagues the better though, just makes it hard for me to watch 2 streams at the same time | ||
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:33 Baarn wrote: That many viewers is ambitious but they truly delivered with their production and casting today. If the players bring great and entertaining matches than it's something that is achievable by the time the second season starts. Maybe it's just cause this is a test run, but I think IGN could be doing a much better job of promoting the tourney. All they have dedicated to the event is a skinny ass banner on the homepage. Basically looks like adspace. Maybe once the league proves itself a little more (off to a good start :D), they'll give it a main tab to draw in the muggles. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:36 Terranist wrote: spoiler is a massive issue. i find it completely unacceptable that the results for an entire tournament are leaked before the first game even airs. this would never happen to any tournament that takes itself seriously. what happened in IPL is entirely a fundamental error. IPL is also presenting itself wrong by making the players into generic nerds fighting each other like robots. the players themselves give no thoughts or input throughout day 1. no interviews, no discussions, only casters like TB and wheat typecasting them into something that casual gamers can relate with. as a spectator, i like to know more about how player 'X' would have reacted to situation 'Y' and if he regrets playing build 'Z'. that stuff is critical to not only helping people appreciate such a deep game, but giving insight into what makes these players so supremely talented. You haven't actually been on the IPL website, have you? Or have 80% of the videos just not shown up on your screen? Everything you're asking for is right there. Also, the spoiler thing is going to be avoided the next round. One round of spoilers against three walk overs in a week? I'll take the spoilers and just ignore the chat >.< | ||
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SlipperySnake
248 Posts
On an unrelated note, if IGN's target audience is new viewers I am not sure how they can get them. I know they have a much larger reach with their website and that could potentially lead people to watch but I just feel like that is a rough market but an extremely important one. Good luck to IGN in reaching out, I am happy to see someone with the foresight. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
They'll see it, think it looks cool, and latch on. NASL on the other hand, someone new looks at it and thinks its not that important since not a lot of work/effort was placed into it. It's got a big dollar sign that has no representation. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:40 jiveturkey wrote: The only thing IPL has over NASL is production value. The casters aren't as good. The matchups aren't as good. They don't have the stat tracking, standings, win rates vs different races, player profiles, team profiles, etc... I'm surprised people care so much about things like the background music and the wall behind the casters. Why is that more important than the infrastructure housed on the NASL website and the quality of the matches. They have some hiccups because they have a less experienced production team, but that can easily and will improve with time. This hype over IPL is just the spillover of the disappointed from NASL. People are just mad about NASL. Same reason people thought Dreamhack was greatest thing on the face of this Earth; it came after MLG Dallas. Production value is very, very important to attract casual viewers. As are the quality of the casters. I find djWHEAT and TotalBiscuit to be excellent casters, I can't get enough of them, whereas NASL casters wear on me after a game or 2. Obviously your opinion on casters doesn't match everyone's. I'm surprised people care so much about stat tracking, win rates vs races, player profiles, team profiles, etc. The games are what matters for casual viewers. Not everyone is as hardcore into SC2 as you are. The fact that NASL has sucked isn't the reason people are appreciating IPL. Even if NASL didn't exist, I'd still be loving the high quality, slick transitions, and great casting. The player pool will improve in quality over time through qualifiers, and the ones they have now aren't exactly bad either. If IPL conflicts with anything in the future, I'll probably be tuning into the IPL because it's excelling in making for a great spectator experience. Unless the matches elsewhere are something like MC vs IdrA or equally epic. ^^ | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
Otherwise, the production is better than NASL. | ||
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Aleco
United States4 Posts
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
On April 22 2011 15:49 ThaZenith wrote: Production value is very, very important to attract casual viewers. As are the quality of the casters. I find djWHEAT and TotalBiscuit to be excellent casters, I can't get enough of them Actually, production value is extremely important to pretty much any viewer. I also agree that TotalBiscuit and djWHEAT are phenomenal casters and seem to be getting better at casting and following the action in SC2 with practice. I only watched around 40 minutes of IGN today and it was the best produced stream I've ever seen. I have no idea why people complain about the lack of "analytical" casters, I was able to follow the 2 games I watched completely from start to finish, understand what was going on and follow the strategies the players were going for in both games. Great job and I look forward to when I finish exams so I can actually watch the whole thing and enjoy the excellent production. | ||
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
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mentallyafk
139 Posts
NASL has the better prize pool and players but the production is terrible. | ||
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SlipperySnake
248 Posts
On April 22 2011 16:02 kaisr wrote: Actually, production value is extremely important to pretty much any viewer. I also agree that TotalBiscuit and djWHEAT are phenomenal casters and seem to be getting better at casting and following the action in SC2 with practice. I only watched around 40 minutes of IGN today and it was the best produced stream I've ever seen. I have no idea why people complain about the lack of "analytical" casters, I was able to follow the 2 games I watched completely from start to finish, understand what was going on and follow the strategies the players were going for in both games. Great job and I look forward to when I finish exams so I can actually watch the whole thing and enjoy the excellent production. I think the main stumbling block for a lot of people is the fact that the casters themselves are not professional players and thus often don't have anything to say strategically that is surprising to them. I feel like as I watch more games I have started to really get into casters like artosis, gretorp, and incontrol just because they tell me things I don't know. Don't get me wrong I love DjWheat and think he is definitely one of the all time greats but the fact of the matter is he needs a color commentator. Totalbiscuit to me is just unbearable but that is personal opinion. The just need to get cocasters with these guys to make it legit as I am sure has been repeated a million times. The more I think about it the more glad I am that HD requested being partnered with Painuser. Basically a genius move that guarantees an overall more interesting experience simply because Painuser is just a stat king. He has such a solid understanding a focus on detail that he can reveal a lot to experienced viewers like me. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 22 2011 16:07 mentallyafk wrote: IPL is going to set a new standard as far as production goes. NASL has the better prize pool and players but the production is terrible. agree that the nasl has a better prize pool and players. i really feel that were still not getting the best games. people playing on cross server does still affect performance. Also these walkovers are kinda disappointing. I feel like nasl has made several promises and has failed to deliver on numerous occasions. i really hope nasl decides to re-think their approach and make some serious changes. anyway, this thread is about IPL so i will stop ranting about NASL. GOGO IPL!!! | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On April 22 2011 15:40 Zeke50100 wrote: You haven't actually been on the IPL website, have you? Or have 80% of the videos just not shown up on your screen? Everything you're asking for is right there. Also, the spoiler thing is going to be avoided the next round. One round of spoilers against three walk overs in a week? I'll take the spoilers and just ignore the chat >.< The ENTIRE tournament was spoiled, not just "One round." I'm sure they will fix it in the future though, and I really hope they do because I have little motivation to watch any matches now. The production value is pretty slick, definitely love the Win and the stat screen at the end. | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
I like the graphics and art and I think its so much better than NASL. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:40 jiveturkey wrote: The only thing IPL has over NASL is production value. The casters aren't as good. The matchups aren't as good. They don't have the stat tracking, standings, win rates vs different races, player profiles, team profiles, etc... I'm surprised people care so much about things like the background music and the wall behind the casters. Why is that more important than the infrastructure housed on the NASL website and the quality of the matches. They have some hiccups because they have a less experienced production team, but that can easily and will improve with time. This hype over IPL is just the spillover of the disappointed from NASL. People are just mad about NASL. Same reason people thought Dreamhack was greatest thing on the face of this Earth; it came after MLG Dallas. is "matchups aren't as good" code for "no koreans"? imo the best part of the IPL is that it is featuring players i know from the community but don't get to see much in other tournaments. not that every tournament has to be this way, but it's nice to see a tournament that features players who have such a strong presence in the NA scene | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On April 22 2011 15:20 dtz wrote: Why is the leaking of results a fundamental error? It was caused by negligence and to say it is a fundamental error means it will happen over and over again because it is due to the way they do things. If they use maps who hide results as well as not accidentally posting the results then it won't happen again. Was it a grave error? Sure it was. But it was in no way fundamental And actually the insights that you are asking for are in the website.A lot of players are interviewed in the website very professionally. For example, catz were interviewed about his cheeses and why he does it and does he think it takes less skill. A few other players were also asked about what they think of catz's unorthodox style. In the game today, + Show Spoiler + catz did a proxy hatch Oh and i feel that Dreamhack was the best tournament ever. Awesome games , players, productions, casters and the best HOST ever. Regardless of how MLG Dallas went, praises will still be sung about DH invitational. it's a fundamental error because they didn't have the foresight to think that people can look at match history and deduce what happened over that long period. playing the whole tournament so far in advance just to get a dumb overlay graphic for each game that makes people rave about 'production value' is a stupid error. i do agree that dreamhack has always been run exceptionally well for a live tournament dating before SC2 and we had to use octoshape lol. You haven't actually been on the IPL website, have you? Or have 80% of the videos just not shown up on your screen? Everything you're asking for is right there. Also, the spoiler thing is going to be avoided the next round. One round of spoilers against three walk overs in a week? I'll take the spoilers and just ignore the chat >.< you haven't actually watched interviews, have you? or have you noticed that the only function each and every one of those videos serve is to hype the league and introduce the players (that we already know). it is not analysis or discussion about the actual game but rather more fluff and promotion. it's great that they shoot for mass appeal but it makes this tournament into training wheels starcraft league. in regards to spoilers, the entire bracket was leaked! | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
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MintBerryCrunch
United States73 Posts
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
Other than that, everything looks phenomenal. Great job IGN! | ||
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rickybobby
United States405 Posts
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mufin
United States616 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Trashie
Norway131 Posts
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On April 22 2011 16:32 mufin wrote: ooook... so its 3 am, just finished a huge project for my class, the VODs are up for the IPL and I must say I am SUPER impressed by the infastructure of the VODs. I absolutely love the IGN player, i love how everything is so easy and accessible. and the best part is that you click on a series and once the first match is done, it autoloads up into the 2nd match. Absolutely no way to get accidentally spoiled in any way shape or form. NASL is gonna have their hands full if they wish to compete with this. Oh, for me it shows a "Play again" button to go to the next VOD, also I have some strange framing issues with the video player... anyone else as well? | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
I think Idra also tweeted about this. Keep going strong, since I really don't have anything else to say o.O | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 22 2011 16:51 Ketch wrote: Oh, for me it shows a "Play again" button to go to the next VOD, also I have some strange framing issues with the video player... anyone else as well? I have this problem with the HD VODs, but the SD ones work perfectly fine. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 22 2011 16:21 adeezy wrote: I don't know about you but im very particular about quality and frame rate. If it's more attractive to the eye, I'll watch it. And if it's pleasing to the ears in quality, I'll listen to it. This is what the iPL has done that NASL needs to do if it wants to gain viewers. And as for the casters, people criticize casters without much more substance than : I want more analysis. I bet you if you put InControl saying the same exact things say djwheat was saying but incontrol just read it out, you would consider the analysis to be fine. People just want faces behind credibility and I think it's silly. I on the other hand do not care about video and sound quality beyond the basic watchable one. So NASL 480p is ok for me, sound is not, so hopefully they will fix it. On the other hand I care about quality of gameplay and I want more analysis. Which has all the substance necessary, for me the excitement is not in exploding visual things but in strategical subtleties, but since I am not top level player I won't catch all of them and for that you need knowledgeable caster. And no I do not judge by faces, but by their words. If they make sense and are right they gain credibility for the future. But as I said I am not their target audience so ... | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On April 22 2011 16:56 jmbthirteen wrote: I have this problem with the HD VODs, but the SD ones work perfectly fine. Yeah, SD works better in that respect. If I select HD it seems to open the webpage again in the video player with the player embedded in that. Don't know what exactly happens though | ||
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
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Moonwrath
United States9568 Posts
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On April 22 2011 14:33 Dommk wrote: I agree with the sentiment that IPL is doing what NASL wanted to do. But as it is, NASL has a long road ahead of them. What they are doing is much bigger of a task than IPL. The way IPL has done it is much smater though, started small without a lot of hype then grow it. It isn't like NASL is terrible, but IPL, IMO, will have greater success, just due to quality alone. Although I'm quite content watching just the games, a lot of people need more to draw them in, especially those who aren't enthusiasts already. But the internet has a thing for quality, make great content and people will come. NASL already has a large following, if they take community feedback seriously then they are only going to get bigger. In the future I think NASL will have to adopt the IGN approach, of free Vods w/ advertising and better production quality. But for now just fixing the video/sound issues and improving the casting will go a long way For most of the IPL it had double the viewers of the NASL, 7 k viewers for a majority of the day is not a large following and they will not succeed with those numbers or even get by. I dont think they will succeed with 20k viewers either they were expecting to probably get more than TSL (40-50k at times) but aside from the first day were they had 20 something this just isnt happening people are turning away from the NASL in large numbers as there are better tournaments with better casters higher production value and very few errors. NASL is riddled with errors and terrible production, I wish there was a point where i could say it was okay during the NASL but they have yet to fix the framerate or the sound yet and those things just make it blaringly obvious how much work the NASL needs. Not to mention their caster room is the most bland thing i have ever seen, i would prefer cool graphics and no view of the casters at all, then just a grey room that looks like its in somebody's basement, it literally is just completely grey and says NASL behind it, cant really get anymore bland than that, without having 2 guys just sitting in chairs in a black room with nothing in front of them, thats pretty much as bland as it gets. IPL has done a fantastic job with production quality,and is an absolute joy to watch, i applaud them. NASL well they have alot of work to do, seems like everything is going wrong for them, i feel like i wasted 25 bucks, id prefer to just give my 25 bucks to IGN even though its free just because they have done such a fantastic job and seem more deserving of my money. NASL is just another example of a really ambitious esports league failing (at least so far they are going to have to really step it up to turn peoples oppinions around) honestly the owners of NASL must feel like they are having their worst nightmare come true right now , all this money has to be given away for a tournament that isnt even pulling in 10k viewers most of time, uh oh. | ||
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:28 edward.IGN wrote: Alright guys, for those of you that have been asking to jump to a specific match - you should be able to do this from the individual match pages found on the brackets page here - http://www.ign.com/ipl/starcraft2/tournaments/best-of-the-west Let us know if you have any other questions! I was really quite shocked to see that you could go straight to a specific match vod from the bracket. Ign is really raising the bar for NA SC2. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:28 edward.IGN wrote: Alright guys, for those of you that have been asking to jump to a specific match - you should be able to do this from the individual match pages found on the brackets page here - http://www.ign.com/ipl/starcraft2/tournaments/best-of-the-west Let us know if you have any other questions! ah. But if you link it from the brackets, you'll get spoilers. | ||
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:33 KevinIX wrote: ah. But if you link it from the brackets, you'll get spoilers. The age old Catch-22 - the idea is if you're looking for a specific match you're not as concerned as the end-result, because otherwise you'd just watch directly from the videos page | ||
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noproblem
United Kingdom161 Posts
What I really like is there no loooooooong play intros, you are straight into the game which is really refreshing and much needed for time scarce people like myself. NASL and to a certain extent the MLG have a quite a way to catch up imho. Competition is great and it will only push all three to out do each other and up their quality. Great job to those guys at WellPlayed and IGN. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:28 edward.IGN wrote: Alright guys, for those of you that have been asking to jump to a specific match - you should be able to do this from the individual match pages found on the brackets page here - http://www.ign.com/ipl/starcraft2/tournaments/best-of-the-west Let us know if you have any other questions! Ahhhhh SPOLIER alert, Luckily I didnt see the outcome of the 2 matches I still have to watch . | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
On another note: I fully agree with the rest of the community- this league ate NASL alive. Superior quality, superior casters (yes, I think TotalBiscuit is the best caster in the industry, feel free to dissent, I could care less), superior animations, no need to pay, no 'no-shows'. Sure, the players may not be as huge names are they are in the NASL, however the superior production value easily makes up for that. Excellent work IGN. Very, very proud of your work. Not to flame NASL, but you desperately need to adopt their business model. It is simply more polished and well-rounded.  | ||
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Tacky
Sweden21 Posts
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Does any1 know if there is a european broadcast or should I just go find the Vods or smthn? | ||
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Demonaz
United Kingdom1219 Posts
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densha
United States797 Posts
This thread is way overblown I think, or maybe everyone has such low expectations because of the NASL. What I saw of the VODs felt like a Youtube cast and doesn't seem to deserve the amount of accolades I'm reading here. The graphics and everything were slick and the post-game screen is a great idea, but that alone doesn't help how boring having just one caster is. Duos need to happen for "major" events like this, I think that was the primary reason it felt like a normal Youtube cast to me. I like the idea of it, I like that this is just a test run, and I like that everything pretty much went well aside from the leaked tourny results and single-caster style. However, this isn't the league I've been waiting for, not yet anyway. It doesn't have that "live" feel to me like the GSL does for example. I kinda want to see the casters, have them talk and analyze, have some cool hype like this seasons GSL intro videos to the Code S matches (shouldn't be hard with all that interview footage, with the production quality this sort of thing could be amazing), etc. Starting small is good, but I think the NASL is moving more in the right direction as far as how a league should look and feel. I just feel like there should be *something* to get rid of the Youtube-y feel. | ||
-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
It is better production-wise then NASL but not as much better as one would get a feeling by reading this topic. Maybe stream had something VODs do not?! I still think Dreamhack was far superior to both IPL and NASL and that is what all of them should strive for. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 13:50 andy186 wrote: Bullshit you aren't attacking him. Almost every single post that says something bad about IGNPL. You have jumped in going OMG how dare you say something bad. If it doesn't affect you sit down and stop making yourself look stupid by attacking everyone Fairly sure I'm not the one taking offence at being told his opinion isn't pure internet gold. If you think that is 'attacking' then I can't help ya because it seems to me you're getting overly emotional and sensitive. When people eventually realise their opinion is one of many, many opinions and unless it contains useful constructive criticism them it won't be taken seriously, the happier we'll all be. | ||
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Escapist
Portugal548 Posts
One of the intentions behind this event was to get e-sports in general and SC2 in specific to reach an untapped audience that uses IGN as a bridge to everything game related. Based on that i was expecting a much more refined presentation of the players and the game itself. Also its perfectly understandable that for the 1st event the playerbase will be very "local" based. Basically they're all NA server players and it feels like its catering to the NA community leaving the rest on the side. Hopefully on future leagues that can be expanded. Firts impressions: - Cartoonish presentation instead of showing who are the persons behind the keyboard not a good idea in my personal opinion - Lackluster on providing players background and drawing in the viewer for something more than an online match - Great video quality on the VODs - Excellent video quality on the livestream - Good casting by all casters, but no proper background provided by any of them on who the players are. So, i liked it quite a lot and it can only get better. The technical side of it seems to be close to mastered now IGN just needs to add a bit of a heart to it so it can feel "human". Keep up the good work and thank you for the free VODs. | ||
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towerranger
Austria134 Posts
the problem is that i cant really watch totalbiscuit cast. he overlooks so much and doesnt go into stratagy at all. i enjoy NASL much more. because they have actuall pros commentating, they go into strat, they know the common/rising builds and i feel like that is what you need to do to bring in new people. its like poker on tv, they teach you every commercial break how the game works. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:23 towerranger wrote: yeah production was quite nice. i liked the overlay and the interviews they threw out weeks before. the problem is that i cant really watch totalbiscuit cast. he overlooks so much and doesnt go into stratagy at all. i enjoy NASL much more. because they have actuall pros commentating, they go into strat, they know the common/rising builds and i feel like that is what you need to do to bring in new people. its like poker on tv, they teach you every commercial break how the game works. New people don't care about the metagame nor indepth analysis. You enjoy NASL much more because you are not new to the game. Different strokes for different folks. | ||
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Airship
United States465 Posts
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sicarii
United States93 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:35 divito wrote: It's not about not wanting NASL to succeed. Everyone wants great matches, features and competition for the hobby that we all enjoy. NASL so far has fell very short of the hype that was around it and what a lot of people were hoping for and expecting. IGN in comparison, for production values and other associated markers, is incredibly above the quality that NASL has put out so far. It just seems like the disparity is great between that which is put out by amateurs trying to be professional, and those that have put in a great deal of time and chose intelligent avenues to go down. /agree and if i have to choose one over the other like i did last night I will choose IPL every single time. Looking forward to Season 2+ with an open tournament like the GSL opens. with a comparable prize pool hopefully. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:35 sicarii wrote: /agree and if i have to choose one over the other like i did last night I will choose IPL every single time. Looking forward to Season 2+ with an open tournament like the GSL opens. with a comparable prize pool hopefully. i agree. Thats another thing that IPL is doing right. The Open tournament for all but 4 spots. I believe this is the best way to allow equal opportunity for all players. Plus it doesn't allow players to sit on some crutch like the nasl allows. OSL/MSL in korea have it down pat i think nasl has to do the same. Players should have to keep earning their spot rather than have an ez in. I can't wait to watch more IPL! | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:27 TotalBiscuit wrote: New people don't care about the metagame nor indepth analysis. You enjoy NASL much more because you are not new to the game. Different strokes for different folks. I think you do well, your play-by-play is the best of any play-by-play caster imo... better than djwheat kinda, but IPL does need an analytical/progamer to cast... we can't have ALL play by players. | ||
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unoriginalname
England380 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:27 TotalBiscuit wrote: New people don't care about the metagame nor indepth analysis. That is a rather sweeping generalisation, aren't new people attracted to Day[9] because of exactly those two things? I do however think your "energy" is fine to listen to, but I cringe whenever you say things along the lines of 'this is an odd place to put a pylon' when a person is putting it behind the smoke screen to gain vision of that area. This is not "indepth analysis" but rudimentary knowledge that all people who want to cast any games should have. I really enjoyed your World of Warcraft work, especially your interview with Ekke and Awake a while back (I think that was you), but I keep thinking that you are out of your depth with professional games, but this can easily be addressed by putting you alongside an analysing commentator who would solve the one caster issue people are having with the IPL. We cannot expect to have every event casted by prominent ex-BroodWar players who know every little intricacy of the game, but is expecting the new blood to have a decent level of understanding for the game they're promoting too much to ask? :Edit: I should add that your play-by-play is absolutely fantastic to listen to. | ||
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fabulously
Norway724 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:41 Vei wrote: I think you do well, your play-by-play is the best of any play-by-play caster imo... better than djwheat kinda, but IPL does need an analytical/progamer to cast... we can't have ALL play by players. There is an analyst/progamer, Painuser. HD/Painuser are doing the lion's share of the rest of the content, including the finals. In this case, IPL wanted to put out a strong, polished showing in terms of production values and appeal to it's own audience. It is as they've said, a test-bed for them, their 'Clash of the Titans'. High audio quality is something that doesn't seem to get valued all that much, but if folks want eSports to get bigger, then they have to put a greater emphasis on production values. In this case, with this timeframe, it made more sense to grab 2 solo commentators and a duo team who could cast from the same studio (HD/Painuser live right next to each other). Everyone has heard the call for duo teams for Season 2 and we all agree with it, but it will have to be done in the same location with a proper setup that sounds good. TSL is amazing, but the audio quality and sync issues resulting from online co-casting a replay is probably it's biggest weakness of the very few it actually has. That is a rather sweeping generalisation, aren't new people attracted to Day[9] because of exactly those two things? . New people are attracted to Day9 because he is a teacher and they are his students. Day9 Dailies are not the same as tournament casts and shouldn't be treated as such. They want to get better at the game by learning, that's why they watch Day9. Doesn't hurt that he has a personality so magnetic that it generates it's own gravity well. | ||
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Kojaimea
United Kingdom277 Posts
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ZUR1CH
United States108 Posts
I love TotalBiscuit commentating as well. He does really well on his own. | ||
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UltramilK
Belgium92 Posts
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ZUR1CH
United States108 Posts
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Spikeworld
Germany61 Posts
My Order is IGN=TSL>Dreamhack=GSL>>>>NASL. Non Korean players seam to make up much nicer and longer Games... Korean are to much timing focused and overall really boring (with some exception of course). | ||
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GCVeila
United States39 Posts
Great job IGN, It's amazing! | ||
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
Although I wouldnt mind 2 commentators. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:22 Escapist wrote: -SNIP- - Good casting by all casters, but no proper background provided by any of them on who the players are. -SNIP- This is so true. If casters would spend some time introducing players during the matches it would make the whole thing so much better (similar to how it is done during football broadcasts or at least how tastosis do it). Just do a bit of research about them and their play and results and present them in a way that they seem more human and alive. If we ever want to have sc2 grow the game needs to be as much about the competitors as the game itself. The Dreamhack "White-Ra, he cares" was a perfect example of that. When people watch Barcelona they watch it for the players as much for the results and the game on the field. I think Beckham showed us games are more then just about the game. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:17 Spikeworld wrote: Non Korean players seam to make up much nicer and longer Games... Korean are to much timing focused and overall really boring (with some exception of course). What do you base that on? I'm asking because many korean interviews claims it's the western timing based builds that have given them alot of problems. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
im confused as to why it didnt. the games were exciting and the production was awesome. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:28 SovSov wrote: i feel like the stream should of hit 15k+ viewers easily im confused as to why it didnt. the games were exciting and the production was awesome. Probably not enough hype and a bad time for EU to watch. | ||
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Qiang1446
United States92 Posts
maybe we'll have those sweet osl/msl/proleague openers in scii soon! | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:28 SovSov wrote: i feel like the stream should of hit 15k+ viewers easily im confused as to why it didnt. the games were exciting and the production was awesome. there wasn't a huge amount of hype behind it like the nasl. There was also the nasl,day9 daily and another event going on at the same time. i believe that ign had 11k viewers nasl had 8-9k and day9 had 3-4k. | ||
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Spikeworld
Germany61 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:27 goldfishs wrote: IGN is superb, It's really too bad that the result leaked :s What do you base that on? I'm asking because many korean interviews claims it's the western timing based builds that have given them alot of problems. Well I mainly base it on my own opinion. Maybe its just because non koreans do more errors on both sides so the matches tend to be more exiting with much more back and forth and I feel like they experiment more. However its just how I see and feel it.... | ||
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:28 SovSov wrote: i feel like the stream should of hit 15k+ viewers easily im confused as to why it didnt. the games were exciting and the production was awesome. The league wasn't hyped too much, IGN is new to streaming and needs to build a fanbase(Yes, i know the reddit guys produced it), same time as nasl / day 9. All those things add up to a lot of viewers. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
like what the fuck or day9 -_- | ||
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:43 Vei wrote: i want to know who the fuck was watching steven bonnel during the ipl like what the fuck or day9 -_- Their loyal and dedicated fans? | ||
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coolpants
United Kingdom29 Posts
On April 22 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote: Wait what? NASL has more money than IGN? Just because they have a bigger prise pool doesn't mean they have more money. IGN is a huge company that has way more money than NASL. Also on that point, most importantly IGN has employees who work in fields such as video production etc. that translate over to running a tournament. The fact that IGN has the manpower with the right skills is one of the biggest differences between NASL. | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
praise ipl by saying how ipl is good, not how other tourneys are bad. | ||
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noezke
England514 Posts
Very well done IGN. | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
what i personally missed is knowledgeable casters. no offence but you know what i mean. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:53 Diglett wrote: why are people talking shit about nasl? would you rather it not exist at all? praise ipl by saying how ipl is good, not how other tourneys are bad. not everyone is bashing nasl. However i don't blame people for being very unhappy with all the false promises and constant failure to deliver the product. how would you feel if you paid 25 bux for a HD pass and what you actually received was severely poor audio and choppy/laggy video, matches constantly being cancelled, and incredibly low production value(not referring to the sound or fps issues but that actual production of this content). | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
He did not lie, they really are | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
IGN pro league was amazing was wishing i could post about it while the magic was happening. Honestly its like an eiffel tower above NASL i cant even be bothered to watch the NASL anymore although i am a subscriber The sound quality and low framerate give me a headache unfortunately , ive heard a few other people say the same thing, wish they could just fix it but it must not be as easy of a problem as it should be (at least for them) GO IPL its free and the quality is leaps and bounds above NASL player pool is not the greatest this season but with qualifers for season 2 there is nothign really to complain about since this is just a test season(wich is totally the way to go NASL should have done this to work out the kinks.) | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 19:26 -Archangel- wrote: This is so true. If casters would spend some time introducing players during the matches it would make the whole thing so much better (similar to how it is done during football broadcasts or at least how tastosis do it). Just do a bit of research about them and their play and results and present them in a way that they seem more human and alive. If we ever want to have sc2 grow the game needs to be as much about the competitors as the game itself. The Dreamhack "White-Ra, he cares" was a perfect example of that. When people watch Barcelona they watch it for the players as much for the results and the game on the field. I think Beckham showed us games are more then just about the game. This an odd criticism, considering I did go and research the players and provide information about play-style, team affiliation and recent tournament performance. It is not as if it was not done, I think you just wanted more than was given. Which is cool, that's totally doable and there's nothing stopping us doing more research and providing more colour if that's what people want. It was there though, just perhaps not enough of it. | ||
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OneBk
Sweden157 Posts
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Veclada
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zs3000
United States43 Posts
NASL by far a better SC2 experiance. | ||
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dafnay
Angola375 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On April 22 2011 20:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: This an odd criticism, considering I did go and research the players and provide information about play-style, team affiliation and recent tournament performance. It is not as if it was not done, I think you just wanted more than was given. Which is cool, that's totally doable and there's nothing stopping us doing more research and providing more colour if that's what people want. It was there though, just perhaps not enough of it. Another possibility is that people didnt notice those informations and have labeled some casters as "shallow and emotional casters" without rechecking their own judgement for possible improvement. I would say it is very easily possible to get "carried away" by your style of commentating and not notice the "solid info" because it was presented as part of an entertaining sentence or two. Try to sound dull and boring when you do that next time ... jk. The IPL is awesome from its production value, the casters have the potential to draw people in and its free. Perfect combination, but sadly the conflicting timing with the NASL and Day9 daily can cause problems like today, when Justin TV broke down for all three - at least partially for non-US viewers - for some time. | ||
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syrupychinadian
112 Posts
I really can't look at the overlay / splash screens without thinking Street Fighter 4....and I'm actually kind of torn whether I like it or not. There's nothing wrong with it, but it just kinda rubs me the wrong way. I think the biggest problem IPL has is with the casting. No matter who you love / hate, solo casting is a tough job and allows people to focus on the faults of a single caster. So I'd love to see IPL go to a double caster set-up next time. Maybe even just commit to 2 casters GSL-style. | ||
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iRaYP
Scotland66 Posts
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drdreggor
Sweden207 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
I am glad IGN are on board with this and I hope they are looking at this thread, it will only get better! | ||
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toadyy
United Kingdom179 Posts
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CptCutter
United Kingdom370 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:12 Zerker wrote: - Quality is 1080p, Seriuosly it looks like your watching a dvd! Is this a joke? :lol :lol The word you're looking for is Blu-Ray. DVD doesn't even come close to being 1080p (or 720p). DVD resolution is the same as the NASL free stream (480p), or the marginally better 576p for Europeans. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:27 CptCutter wrote: i refuse to watch it because hd and pain user are casting it. Your loss then.. The Video section is mapped out so amazingly , so if i just wanna watch Idra matches i can filter out the rest..Yeahhhh... Very Very impressed by IGN , NASL is definitely on the back seat for me now. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:27 CptCutter wrote: i refuse to watch it because hd and pain user are casting it. Joke's on you, Djwheat and Totalbiscuit casted yesterday. | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:27 CptCutter wrote: i refuse to watch it because hd and pain user are casting it. Amazing piece of information you brought to the discusion | ||
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Seditary
Australia7033 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:35 feanor1 wrote: Amazing piece of information you brought to the discusion I find it weird people attack and belittle sc2 competitions based on the people talking about the game they are watching. Wonder when sound reduction technology will be invented to help these people remove the annoyance... | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
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VirtuallyJesse
United States398 Posts
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HyperLimen
United States278 Posts
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Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
the animations intros and those kind of things like the short animation if someone wins and the statistics after the match it just makes the whole thing soooo much more professional | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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RedHelix
250 Posts
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Strike_
Netherlands704 Posts
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DocHoliday
Germany25 Posts
I understand the noob friendly approach of IPL and I like them for that. As was said on State of the Game it's important to bring new people onboard. And I think IPL is taking the right approach to accomplish that goal. They still should use two commentators in my opinion which I think most people prefer (I could be wrong). The NASL on the other hand does not take that noob friendly approach, and that is what I prefer to see. For now they have the better players (which might be the most important thing) and commentators whose style just suits me better. NASL might be harder to watch for new viewers, but I think that is a good thing. Imagine watching a soccer tournament where the commentator explains the rules every single game. It would be soooooo annoying. So I think for experienced viewers the NASL for now is better. Yes they have audio problems and stuff, but that are problems that are clearly defined and can (and I think will) definately will be solved. IPL and NASL in my eyes don't totally overlap in what they are trying to do or which type of viewer they are trying to reach. Grossly oversimplified, IPL is more for noobs, NASL more for the experienced viewer, but everyone can watch and enjoy both. So saying one in general is better than the other is unfair in my opinion. Some prefer NASL, some prefer IPL and that is as it should be. I didn't say much about stream quality because in my opinion that is the least important criteria. Well as long as both streams are above a certain standard. In the end the quality and substance of what is shown on that stream is the deciding factor. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:56 RedHelix wrote: Theres really nothing much that i dislike about IPL, it's great so far and i'm really impressed by how you can filter the vods by players/race/commentators. The only thing i would like is perhaps dual commentaries, would make it pretty much perfect. Just to reiterate, dual same-room commentators is definitely a very high priority for Season 2, especially when appealing to the Teamliquid demographic. | ||
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Kokosaft
Germany172 Posts
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Psycosquirrel
United States161 Posts
Gotta love TB though. Never have understood the hate for the casters on youtube. Also like the screen they show at the end of each game. | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10342 Posts
Clicked on a match: VOD player loaded Clicked on HD: VOD player loaded some website inside the VOD player with another VOD player inside it (with another ad) Watched game 1: VOD player sat there spinning and I had no idea how to get to game 2. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
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flipstar
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Asshat
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DocHoliday
Germany25 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:10 flipstar wrote: Production quality of IGN was really top-tier. I will be watching this and GSL. NASL is too amateurish for my taste. Two commentators are better than 1, but seeing as this will be put on priority I'm sure the IGN league will grow to become even better Can you explain a bit what you mean by "too amateurish"? The stream / audio problems? Because in everything else I think the NASL is very professional. | ||
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Psycosquirrel
United States161 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:07 R1CH wrote: Yeah maybe I'm stupid but I can't figure out their VOD system either. Clicked on a match: VOD player loaded Clicked on HD: VOD player loaded some website inside the VOD player with another VOD player inside it (with another ad) Watched game 1: VOD player sat there spinning and I had no idea how to get to game 2. Judging by comments in the LR thread, no, we're not the only ones. They're really frustrating to navigate. Only way I could get to work was to 1. http://www.ign.com/ipl/starcraft2/tournaments/best-of-the-west, and click on desired match 2. Open game one 3. Turn on HD 4. Game 2 should show up in the related videos section of the new page that pops up. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:14 Asshat wrote: No matter how good the overall production is, you can't really get around the fact that the playerbase/competition in IPL is weak and there are only 3-4 players with a remotely legitimate shot at winning the thing, something you can't say for either the TSL or the NASL, but that's the byproduct of limiting yourself to the NA server. IGN have said Season 1 should be viewed as their Clash of the Titans, a warmup and opportunity to test concepts for Season 2. IPL is not a long tournament and work on Season 2 has already begun. | ||
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SpectralFremen
Australia386 Posts
On April 22 2011 20:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: This an odd criticism, considering I did go and research the players and provide information about play-style, team affiliation and recent tournament performance. It is not as if it was not done, I think you just wanted more than was given. Which is cool, that's totally doable and there's nothing stopping us doing more research and providing more colour if that's what people want. It was there though, just perhaps not enough of it. Hey Mate, you did an excellent job on the Vods I've heard. You and the whole production crew should be proud of what you've produced | ||
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MrBigshot
Canada16 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote: I prefer the NASL, at least for now. I understand the noob friendly approach of IPL and I like them for that. As was said on State of the Game it's important to bring new people onboard. And I think IPL is taking the right approach to accomplish that goal. They still should use two commentators in my opinion which I think most people prefer (I could be wrong). The NASL on the other hand does not take that noob friendly approach, and that is what I prefer to see. For now they have the better players (which might be the most important thing) and commentators whose style just suits me better. NASL might be harder to watch for new viewers, but I think that is a good thing. Imagine watching a soccer tournament where the commentator explains the rules every single game. It would be soooooo annoying. So I think for experienced viewers the NASL for now is better. Yes they have audio problems and stuff, but that are problems that are clearly defined and can (and I think will) definately will be solved. IPL and NASL in my eyes don't totally overlap in what they are trying to do or which type of viewer they are trying to reach. Grossly oversimplified, IPL is more for noobs, NASL more for the experienced viewer, but everyone can watch and enjoy both. So saying one in general is better than the other is unfair in my opinion. Some prefer NASL, some prefer IPL and that is as it should be. I didn't say much about stream quality because in my opinion that is the least important criteria. Well as long as both streams are above a certain standard. In the end the quality and substance of what is shown on that stream is the deciding factor. Myself as an experienced veiwer and player, I am still a huge sucker for the HD and despite the higher skill quality in NASL, still found myself watching IPL the whole time. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:07 R1CH wrote: Yeah maybe I'm stupid but I can't figure out their VOD system either. Clicked on a match: VOD player loaded Clicked on HD: VOD player loaded some website inside the VOD player with another VOD player inside it (with another ad) Watched game 1: VOD player sat there spinning and I had no idea how to get to game 2. I have the same problem. When the HD game loaded inside the frame I copied the URL and opened the game in a new window. Then after the game finished I typed changed the URL to game 2/3 to get to the next game. Quite irritating. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
But I was watching Idra vs Fenix and after Game 1 was done it loaded Game 2 (really nice and smooth switch) but the black/white "underlay" showed: IPL: Set 4 - EGIdrA vs FnaticFenix- Game 1 instead of Game 2. You might want to have a look at this | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:25 MrBigshot wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote: I prefer the NASL, at least for now. I understand the noob friendly approach of IPL and I like them for that. As was said on State of the Game it's important to bring new people onboard. And I think IPL is taking the right approach to accomplish that goal. They still should use two commentators in my opinion which I think most people prefer (I could be wrong). The NASL on the other hand does not take that noob friendly approach, and that is what I prefer to see. For now they have the better players (which might be the most important thing) and commentators whose style just suits me better. NASL might be harder to watch for new viewers, but I think that is a good thing. Imagine watching a soccer tournament where the commentator explains the rules every single game. It would be soooooo annoying. So I think for experienced viewers the NASL for now is better. Yes they have audio problems and stuff, but that are problems that are clearly defined and can (and I think will) definately will be solved. IPL and NASL in my eyes don't totally overlap in what they are trying to do or which type of viewer they are trying to reach. Grossly oversimplified, IPL is more for noobs, NASL more for the experienced viewer, but everyone can watch and enjoy both. So saying one in general is better than the other is unfair in my opinion. Some prefer NASL, some prefer IPL and that is as it should be. I didn't say much about stream quality because in my opinion that is the least important criteria. Well as long as both streams are above a certain standard. In the end the quality and substance of what is shown on that stream is the deciding factor. Myself as an experienced veiwer and player, I am still a huge sucker for the HD and despite the higher skill quality in NASL, still found myself watching IPL the whole time. It's like when I'm looking for movies to download (I don't use Netflix), I'd rather watch a movie on my B-List that has DVD/BluRay quality rather than a movie on my A-List that is a Telesync rip from a camcorder in a movie theather. A product can be hyped and inherently good, but if it is not presentable to a general audience with appeal, the true value of the product is easily lost in translation if the presentation is poor. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 22 2011 20:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: This an odd criticism, considering I did go and research the players and provide information about play-style, team affiliation and recent tournament performance. It is not as if it was not done, I think you just wanted more than was given. Which is cool, that's totally doable and there's nothing stopping us doing more research and providing more colour if that's what people want. It was there though, just perhaps not enough of it. Uff, I am sorry if I offended you. I actually didn't come yet to the VODs that you casted. DJwheat for sure didn't offer anything more. Actually my post is not a complaint, just a suggestion to make this even better. At the moment I feel IPL has the most chance to make something happen (at least in US) so if there is a way to make the casting and production even better it would be to bring us the human story behind the players. If you been watching GSL this season the video they done on MKP was just beautiful. I do not suggest that IPL does something like that now (but they could eventually if IPL becomes much bigger), but casters giving little tidbits of personal info about players during casts would go a long way to make people that are not players of SC2 interested in watching. | ||
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Valette1565
United States16 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On April 22 2011 20:38 zs3000 wrote: I like NASL better than IPL. It's impossible to listen to TB. The street fighter slash screens are terrible, the players are not as good, and there's simply not as much on the line. 2.5k on the line for IPL, or 50k for NASL? 2.5k is nothing to scoff, but the stakes just simply arn't as high with something that IGN put together that looks cheesy. Also, as much as most people here who are below diamond and don't understand the game all that well, they probably like the dumbed down "OMG IT FLASHES AND DIES" from TB and Djwheat. Gretorp and Incontrol are intelligent and understand the game and actually provide INFORMATION *gasp* as to what's going on. NASL by far a better SC2 experiance. I would reckon that it's the other way around for a more experienced player that you wouldn't need to rely on commentary to tell you what is happening in the game. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
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rapidash88
United States194 Posts
Hadn't listened to TB before, but I nearly died laughing. Some may hate him, but i got three new people watching and enjoying the commentating he did. He appeals to new players or watchers. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:07 R1CH wrote: Yeah maybe I'm stupid but I can't figure out their VOD system either. Clicked on a match: VOD player loaded Clicked on HD: VOD player loaded some website inside the VOD player with another VOD player inside it (with another ad) Watched game 1: VOD player sat there spinning and I had no idea how to get to game 2. Well game 2 starts automatically once game 1 ends. So just open game 1 and click to last 5s. | ||
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SC Trickster
Denmark100 Posts
On April 22 2011 21:41 Seditary wrote: I find it weird people attack and belittle sc2 competitions based on the people talking about the game they are watching. Wonder when sound reduction technology will be invented to help these people remove the annoyance... Watching a tournament with the no sound at all is not really all that interesting though. Commentary is pretty important to help make it interesting to watch. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
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Treehead
999 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Eppa! wrote: Having no analytical commentators is pretty annoying. A couple of points were kind of painful to listen to, if you know the basics of SC2. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, though, because I know slips of the tongue can happen. I highly enjoyed what I saw last night. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:47 snailz wrote: hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is. Wat? No. DJWheat cannot stop once he starts talking and that will mean we will hear much less of TB | ||
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Psycosquirrel
United States161 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:45 -Archangel- wrote: Well game 2 starts automatically once game 1 ends. So just open game 1 and click to last 5s. Except that it doesn't do that for a lot of people. I had exactly the same issue, and a number of people in the LR thread have commented on it as well. I think it works for some sets, but I tried to watch the idra-fenix match and ran into this issue where the next set did not start. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
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Jonstah
79 Posts
I really hope they get a second caster in for season 2, and avoid future leaks. If they do, IGN will be well worth the watch! | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:40 -Archangel- wrote: Uff, I am sorry if I offended you. I actually didn't come yet to the VODs that you casted. DJwheat for sure didn't offer anything more. Actually my post is not a complaint, just a suggestion to make this even better. At the moment I feel IPL has the most chance to make something happen (at least in US) so if there is a way to make the casting and production even better it would be to bring us the human story behind the players. If you been watching GSL this season the video they done on MKP was just beautiful. I do not suggest that IPL does something like that now (but they could eventually if IPL becomes much bigger), but casters giving little tidbits of personal info about players during casts would go a long way to make people that are not players of SC2 interested in watching. You didn't offend anyone, it was just a curious criticism. However I'll take it as, people want more colour and player history, which makes total sense, so I'll try and integrate that into future casts. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote: I prefer the NASL, at least for now. I understand the noob friendly approach of IPL and I like them for that. Its not a "noob friendly approach" but rather a "viewer friendly approach". You can even be an expert at the game and still watch - and enjoy - the IPL. These things arent excluding each other. If you go about it like that other dude here in the thread who says "HD and PainUser are casting so I dont watch the IPL" you are the arrogant one and not the IPL. There have been suggestions for improvement of bad casters for other leagues, so why not for the IPL? Because its the "noob tournament"? If you say that you are kidding yourself, because the players are "the usual suspects" of top level players (with the focus on "the west", i.e. no Koreans). On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote: IPL and NASL in my eyes don't totally overlap in what they are trying to do or which type of viewer they are trying to reach. Grossly oversimplified, IPL is more for noobs, NASL more for the experienced viewer, but everyone can watch and enjoy both. So saying one in general is better than the other is unfair in my opinion. Some prefer NASL, some prefer IPL and that is as it should be. I didn't say much about stream quality because in my opinion that is the least important criteria. Well as long as both streams are above a certain standard. In the end the quality and substance of what is shown on that stream is the deciding factor. It should be pretty obvious that the IPL and the NASL dont overlap, because the formats are totally different and one of them has Koreans while the other focuses (deliberately) on "white guys". All this "IPL is for noobs, NASL is for pros" is just a lot of elitist nonsense. | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
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mpupu
Argentina183 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:28 Doodsmack wrote: I think that in a fairly short amount of time, NASL will have improved its production value and stream quality greatly, and will come to blow IPL out of the water overall as a tournament. The people whining about NASL because they aren't patient enough to give it a couple of weeks will be biting their words when the tournament is going down to the wire, there is an epic amount of money at stake, and the best players in the world are duking it out in person. Meanwhile, IPL will have solo casters who provide zero analysis whatsoever and games that were played a week beforehand. NASL will have Chill, Day9, and probably Artosis guest-casting. Let's be honest, the excitement of teh final rounds of NASL will be very intense, and memories of spoiled brats on TL complaining about their "wasted money" will be distant. So on top of predicting the future, you're saying only NASL will improve and IPL won't. Bitter much? | ||
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Asshat
593 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:55 Jonstah wrote: I don't really see why people are bashing NASL. Yes, IGN's production is very nice, and other than the solo caster is will be an amazing tourny. Unfortunately, the winner was leaked before the first set of games, and if you want to compare, every mistake the NASL made combined is nowhere near as tragic as that. I really hope they get a second caster in for season 2, and avoid future leaks. If they do, IGN will be well worth the watch! Hahah I didn't even know that happened, but that's hilarious, the full bracket for the thing is just a google search away. GJ to the site that got the info. | ||
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delo
United States333 Posts
Welcome aboard, IPL <3 | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:04 Corrik wrote: If IPL production quality was merged with the NASL player base and the GSL in depth player videos... We would have the best of all worlds. I have thought about a "streamlining" of the Starcraft leagues by merging them on one channel ... at least NASL and IPL ... but sadly they are separate businesses and there are always "personal egos" (of the companies) involved, so it wont work. On April 22 2011 22:51 snailz wrote: hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is. Nah ... get a TB + TLO combo for this. TLO was hilarious at his casts with Day9 and he would bring the "expertise" to the commentary. Even though TB sleeps / works on an EST schedule it might be a bit hard to merge his schedule with DJWheat. P.S.: I like the IPLs approach to VODs with NOT having a jump button to the 2nd / 3rd game as these things spoil part of the results. | ||
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kawaiiryuko
United States368 Posts
I think the street fighter-type graphics was really cool but I wonder - I think the WP.org guys did a great job but I thought I read/heard somewhere that NASL was going to use those guys too? Is that true? If so, I can only hope that the NASL quality will get better! | ||
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sansalvador
Austria308 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:50 -Archangel- wrote: Wat? No. DJWheat cannot stop once he starts talking and that will mean we will hear much less of TB Ever heard day9 featuring wheat? Wheat is a pro-caster and knows exactly how to act with a partner. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
As for the games, they weren't that great, and the tournament doesn't have such huge names, BUT it's only the "beta tournament", for testing things and setting them straight, in that sense, it's AMAZING. I'm happy, it's such an awesome time to be an SC2 fan, I can just sit and watch all day long, I've seriously stopped watching any TV at all lol. This is awesome, thanks IGN. And with qualifier tournament it will only get better. EDIT: Also, results leaking is unacceptable, this cannot happen again. But to be fair it also happened to the NASL lol (Showing game 3 of ClouD vs Painuser first), | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:00 Rabiator wrote: It should be pretty obvious that the IPL and the NASL dont overlap, because the formats are totally different and one of them has Koreans while the other focuses (deliberately) on "white guys". All this "IPL is for noobs, NASL is for pros" is just a lot of elitist nonsense. It focus's on North American server players, playing out of North America. If MC lived here, I'm sure they would invite him, don't say it focuses on white guys, it not a racial thing. And people are talking like the players in the league are terrible players, 12/16 are playing in the NASL. and Minigun was like one of the last 2 cut. If they opened it up to Europe it would be great, KR to NA lag can be almost unplayable, or not bad, it varies wildly. Some of the NASL players seem to not have terrible lag, others can't stay in the game. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On April 22 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote: Wait what? NASL has more money than IGN? Just because they have a bigger prise pool doesn't mean they have more money. IGN is a huge company that has way more money than NASL. I think NASL should've taken 300,000$ from their price pool and dropped on their production instead. Their "amazing" studio has a static camera pointing at a desk with a piece of cloth behind it. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:13 sansalvador wrote: Ever heard day9 featuring wheat? Wheat is a pro-caster and knows exactly how to act with a partner. Yeah you're absolutely right, Wheat has the experience to adapt to any co-casting situation, however I think if you're going to co-cast, you should use play-by-play/analyst combos not play-by-play/play-by-play, because it does a disservice to the part of your audience that wants indepth information. You can at least have an excuse for focusing on a particular style when you're solo-casting, but not when there's two of you. Meanwhile, IPL will have solo casters who provide zero analysis whatsoever and games that were played a week beforehand. You don't seem to understand how IPL works. It's a 16 man tournament double-elim, we'll be done in few days and working on the much larger Season 2 with qualifiers and a dual-casting roster. If you would like to know more about how IPL works, there's an FAQ on the site. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:13 sansalvador wrote: Ever heard day9 featuring wheat? Wheat is a pro-caster and knows exactly how to act with a partner. Well, what I heard was DJWheat talking most of the time while Day9 getting a chance here and there to give some analysis and say something funny. Since DJWheat and TB are both play-by-play casters they both need to be the guy that talks most of the time, and no offense to DJWheat (I think he is a great caster) but TB is more interesting to listen and brings more energy into his casts (well that is from before, I have not had the time to listen to TB in IPL) | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
Looking forward to the rest of the tournament fa sho. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
1)FREE 1080p live streaming. Which was flawless last night. 2)FREE 1080p vods, which have been awesome 3) Better tournament format IMO. I understand that the NASL will be more down to the wire closer to the end of the divisional series. But should you really have ANY fluff? 4) Better production value. I know alot of people are saying "But NASL doesn't have the money that IGN does, and it's only 5 guys working the NASL" which is true. But does that mean I should watch something of lesser quality, while something of higher quality is on the next channel? 5) Caster rotation. Even though I would like to see them pair up the casters. I think the casters they have are much much better than gretorp and Incontrol, and honestly I am really not a fan of Gretorp or incontrol. But of course this is just my opinion. No malice, I just don't really like their casting styles. The only thing I think NASL has over IGN is the player pool. But at the same time, I think their tournament format nullifies the allure of the player pool they have. Feel free to agree or disagree, but please no flaming as once again; These are my OPINIONS | ||
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FunnelC4kes
Ireland462 Posts
Dj Wheat is a really talented casting personality, as well, but he needs a co-caster to keep things spicy. I hope the IPL adds another caster for deeper analysis.... and the post-fight interviews! Bam--just like live boxing, baby! Everyone is talking about the NASL because (1) they're in conflicting time spots, so they are fighting over the same viewerships, and (2) they are both non-LAN-based leagues, which mean that the recording and broadcasting should be similar. The quality of the IPL makes NASL look amateur, at best. The NASL was really hyped up, and generated high expectations as to the production quality. They have consistently under-delivered those promises, and we can't help to think that the quality of their streams should be comparable to the IPL's. I fear that, should the NASL not improve the quality of their stream, it will be overshadowed by the IPL, and that is a legitimate concern that many people in this thread have been voicing. It's too bad, because the amount of funding behind the NASL is exactly what the e-sports scene needs to gather a bigger fan-base, and the organization will likely succumb to a competitor that offers less payout to professional players. | ||
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CarachAngren
United States84 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:23 FunnelC4kes wrote: Dj Wheat is a really talented casting personality, as well, but he needs a co-caster to keep things spicy. I hope the IPL adds another caster for deeper analysis.... and the post-fight interviews! Bam--just like live boxing, baby. They already said that they will have dual casters for season 2. They only have the single casters for season 1 (the test season) | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
If you accidentally click on the browser window outside the video, you lose the loaded vod in progress and it goes back to the beginning. If you do this on game 2 or game 3, it will take you back to game 1 and you have no convenient way of skipping straight to a certain game. Please add a next game or game selection button to the vod player.. And learn from Gom by keeping a 3rd game "shell" for every series regardless of whether it goes 2 or 3 games. Also, the Menu function doesn't do anything useful for me | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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Strauss
Mexico18 Posts
GG, fatty User was banned for this post. | ||
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Mr. Knuff
Germany23 Posts
It seems to me that they try really hard to say something at all times or pretend that there is a lot of action in every second of the game. Endless stream of words and non-stop talking is not what I consider high-level commentating. There is a really hectic feel about the game with casts like that. I really like the Artosis / Tasteless combination in the GSL or the way Day9 "casts" his dailies. That is really pleasant to watch and listen. It's calm and analytic most of the time, but still energetic when there is action and they even throw in a few jokes to spice it up. | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:31 teacash wrote: VOD flaws: If you accidentally click on the browser window outside the video, you lose the loaded vod in progress and it goes back to the beginning. If you do this on game 2 or game 3, it will take you back to game 1 and you have no convenient way of skipping straight to a certain game. Please add a next game or game selection button to the vod player.. And learn from Gom by keeping a 3rd game "shell" for every series regardless of whether it goes 2 or 3 games. Also, the Menu function doesn't do anything useful for me Came here to post exactly this, the website is pretty but not at all functional, and I have a slower connection and tend to let VODs preload before i press play, so if i do accidently click off the screen and lose the vods progress, it's a massive pain. Also, i can't even work out how to get onto games 2/3 of the series.. it doesnt seem to be clear although maybe i'm just being dense. On a positive note, i love the production and the design, stream quality is excellent as well. | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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RainWhisper
United Arab Emirates333 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:45 Strauss wrote: Incontrol hyped NASL for like six months and it was smashed by a tournament nobody even heard of 2 months ago GG, fatty This just fucking pisses me off so much. What have you done? Nothing. | ||
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mikesaysno
United States85 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:48 Stiluz wrote: I am really impressed with IPL, it makes me regret those 25$ spent on the NASL subscription, since IPL is free. Yeah same here. The production quality of IPL really blew me away. NASL has the much better roster, but the first week let me down so much that I haven't bothered to tune into the last few days. I basically just wasted $25. I honestly hope both leagues thrive, but NASL really needs to step their game up. What we were given hasn't lived up to a quarter of the hype and it's really unfortunate. More on topic though, I'm really excited to keep watching IPL and I can't wait to see what these guys are able to do with season 2! | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:45 Mr. Knuff wrote: Am I the only one who does not enjoy casters like TB, Husky, HDStarcraft etc.? It seems to me that they try really hard to say something at all times or pretend that there is a lot of action in every second of the game. Endless stream of words and non-stop talking is not what I consider high-level commentating. There is a really hectic feel about the game with casts like that. I really like the Artosis / Tasteless combination in the GSL or the way Day9 "casts" his dailies. That is really pleasant to watch and listen. It's calm and analytic most of the time, but still energetic when there is action and they even throw in a few jokes to spice it up. I love TB's style personally. His game knowledge (or lack thereof) makes it a little difficult to listen to him or for me to consider him a favorite, but I still love the style and think if he put some serious time in learning the game so he could be an amazing caster. You could also copy-paste DJWheat for TB in what I just said, but he does have a decent amount of game knowledge by comparison. IPL and NASL don't compete for me. I just tune in to the players I want to see. If Sheth or Idra are playing IPL then I'm watching that, if they're playing NASL then I'm watching that. I love this situation because it makes me feel much more motivated to watch the games. It's like I have a 'home team' I can follow rather than seeing a bunch of games that are entertaining, but lack an investment in me. I personally really don't care if Incontrol or Cruncher wins (no offense to either player) as they're not players I follow. So being able to tune out and watch a zerg I DO follow in another league for that time is just amazing to me. I really wish someone would put together a quick and dirty guide to help casters with game knowledge, though if anyone but a pro did it I think it'd be ignored and/or flamed for coming from someone who doesn't cast. Just stuff like how to identify common builds, how to evaluate positioning, understanding some of the mid/late game tactical choices, some tips on evaluating which side is stronger in a fight, why someone might pick a certain expansion spot, and stuff like that. | ||
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
Positives: - Learned from others' mistakes - Limited to NA only, minimizes lag issues and time zone headaches. - Casting from replays minimizes bnet connection lags and casting interruptions. - Minimizes editing work necessary and focuses on value-add production work. - Very smart, very professional overall. Negatives: - solo casting has its limits, even with great casters like Wheat and TB. - lower than (my) expected viewer count. TSL has 50k+ viewers. I feel that it hasn't reached out to those outside of the SC2 communities yet. thanks again. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
A superb international lineup is basically the only thing keeping the IPL from being one of the big dogs (since the prize pool is getting a bump and they're getting rid of the solo casting :p) On April 22 2011 23:45 Strauss wrote: Account suicide, fuck yeah!Incontrol hyped NASL for like six months and it was smashed by a tournament nobody even heard of 2 months ago GG, fatty | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:58 Escape wrote: I am very impressed so far. Good job IPL. Positives: - Learned from others' mistakes - Limited to NA only, minimizes lag issues and time zone headaches. - Casting from replays minimizes bnet connection lags and casting interruptions. - Minimizes editing work necessary and focuses on value-add production work. - Very smart, very professional overall. Negatives: - solo casting has its limits, even with great casters like Wheat and TB. - lower than (my) expected viewer count. TSL has 50k+ viewers. I feel that it hasn't reached out to those outside of the SC2 communities yet. thanks again. TSL is also broadcasted on weekends and has global players which helps a lot as not only are there players that the Korean scene might want to watch, but they can also stay up late/wake up early to watch it. The TSL also has no real conflicts unlike NASL/IPL which conflicts directly with stuff like Day[9] and SotG and indirectly with GSL (how many people can really watch IPL/NASL AND stay up for GSL) | ||
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tmIntoTheFruitro
United States76 Posts
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ataryens
Iran213 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:53 Treemonkeys wrote: This just fucking pisses me off so much. What have you done? Nothing. Well, being rude aside, he does have a point. There are so many things wrong with NASL (and you cant expect everything to be perfect). But I (just me) think that they could have made it alot better. I like their approach of players must have a team and so on but I dont understand why they call it NASL and allow other players to play. The fact that so many koreans are lagging in game just reduces the level of play. I think they couldv really made it the foundation of sc2 esport if they would had limited it to players residing in NA. Hopefully it would be a hit and they could do the same thing in europe/asia/SA/SEA and then have top seeds (# ranging from server to another) would be invited to the "real GSL." (maybe have the global one change places from year to year and have the people who will organize the tournament pay for the lodging/food/airport to lan of the players from the profits of tickets and etc.) I am not sure what the goal of this new tournament is, but its really fun to watch even with ok commentary. I hate Day9 but I think he is the only good commentator out there and if I had to choose what tournament I would watch it would be solely dependent on the commentator. | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:42 sermokala wrote: but all of NASL's problems are technical all of IPL's are fundamental. more then one caster? gretorp getting better every night inc is a legit player thats actually playing well in the league. Diggity coming in and doing well. and kalador who is a very very good. TB is a horrid caster that got on my nerves in a single game. Yesterday I watched 3 games of Sheth vs rainbow godlike 40+ games in each one. They where better then anything that IPL had today. poorly done 4 gate rush after poorly done 4 gate rush does not a good stream make. and if tomarrow somehow they fix the stream and it isn't total shit whos a lot better? hell even MLG's going to have a great stream next event. the gloss is going to come off the IPL and people are gona start seeing that. It looks fucking amazing but that can only go so far You have never produced anything broadcast wise in your life have you? There are no fundamental problems with the IPL, regardless of your opinion. They will add international players next season, but idiots like you blame the league for the standard of matches after one night, ROFL The reason that the games are of a high standard are because there are Europeans and Koreans in the NASL, what the IPL does very well is show that there aren't many great NA players which us Europeans have known for a while, the TSL also shows this. Doesn't mean that there wont be in the future. Then to 'add' to your argument you actually state that if somehow they fix the stream and it isn't total shit..........who's a lot better? If they fix the stream, the sound, the encoding, the VOD access, the studio set-up, etc, etc. Every day the NASL has been saying bear with us guys we'll get there. But they haven't improved any of the technical aspects yet and yes the casting is improving very slowly. Every night there is another problem for the NASL, but your point about the quality of games is like blaming the NASL for the cancellations, which I certainly don't. Also to further illustrate how silly your point is Sheth played on both streams last night and he wasn't playing as well in his IPL game. Lastly, look at Cruchers poorly executed 4 gate rush in his match against Incontrol, again you're being subjective The gloss has already come off of the NASL because of the over-hype and the fact that it hasn't improved one bit since the show-match. I watched both last night and overlooked the bad sound, bad quality stream because of the quality of players, i.e White-Ra vs Sjow on NASL. The fundamentals are all in favour of the IPL so far. It is run by a large well funded, experienced company. They will add everything they need once they have proven the market for the product and confirmed the potential as they have stated. To help put your bias in perspective ask yourself this, if it was say for example's sake a choice between watching the TSL or the NASL at this point and you had to pay for VOD's from the NASL (so its live stream versus live stream) which would you choose? I reckon 90% of TL people would answer TSL. The fact that they have 50000 viewers backs my point up. IPL will add everything that the NASL has and will already be running their second (international) tournament before the first season of the NASL has concluded I understand that you are supporting the NASL as are all true SC2 esports fans, but don't state subjective crap as the reason that their competitors will fail, I want them both to succeed and to spur each other on to be as good as they can be and the fact that we're being spoilt for choice makes your points sound very subjective. No personal disrespect intended here but I had to respond to that post. | ||
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Augury
United States758 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
Free vods though... that's cash. I like me some of that for free. | ||
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darthcaesar
United States475 Posts
On April 23 2011 00:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: I don't really see why it has to be one or the other. NASL can learn from IPL, IPL can learn from NASL. Competition is always a good thing regardless of medium and there's also plenty of room for different approaches. Nobody wants to see the NASL fail and claiming that IPL killed it is fairly ridiculous. It's a 3-4 day tournament to test the waters, after which Season 2 will be coming along with qualifiers, a larger playerpool, dual-commentators, more shinies, possibly an elephant and we'll see where it goes from there. In the meantime, NASL will continue to run with some amazing games and an incredible line-up. Competition is awesome, but trash talk is unfortunately one of the side effects. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On April 23 2011 00:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: I don't really see why it has to be one or the other. NASL can learn from IPL, IPL can learn from NASL. Competition is always a good thing regardless of medium and there's also plenty of room for different approaches. Nobody wants to see the NASL fail and claiming that IPL killed it is fairly ridiculous. It's a 3-4 day tournament to test the waters, after which Season 2 will be coming along with qualifiers, a larger playerpool, dual-commentators, more shinies, possibly an elephant and we'll see where it goes from there. In the meantime, NASL will continue to run with some amazing games and an incredible line-up. Sadly, such is the internet. But I totally agree with you. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
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Skaff
United States240 Posts
On April 23 2011 00:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: I don't really see why it has to be one or the other. NASL can learn from IPL, IPL can learn from NASL. Competition is always a good thing regardless of medium and there's also plenty of room for different approaches. Nobody wants to see the NASL fail and claiming that IPL killed it is fairly ridiculous. It's a 3-4 day tournament to test the waters, after which Season 2 will be coming along with qualifiers, a larger playerpool, dual-commentators, more shinies, possibly an elephant and we'll see where it goes from there. In the meantime, NASL will continue to run with some amazing games and an incredible line-up. I'm going to hold you to that elephant in season 2! | ||
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DrBoo
Canada1177 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 23 2011 00:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: I don't really see why it has to be one or the other. NASL can learn from IPL, IPL can learn from NASL. Competition is always a good thing regardless of medium and there's also plenty of room for different approaches. Nobody wants to see the NASL fail and claiming that IPL killed it is fairly ridiculous. It's a 3-4 day tournament to test the waters, after which Season 2 will be coming along with qualifiers, a larger playerpool, dual-commentators, more shinies, possibly an elephant and we'll see where it goes from there. In the meantime, NASL will continue to run with some amazing games and an incredible line-up. If it will not be able to do tricks I can assure you, you will have a public outcry to rival that of Kelly casting Code A :D | ||
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Incursus
United States415 Posts
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
I like having a british caster, sounds so classy! but for some reason he reminds me of the old school micro-machines guy, who talked super fast. yeah, i know. i'm a geezer. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
However they're pretty good. | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
Follow-up to "clicking off the screen" cancelling the current vod progress: I switched from Chrome to Firefox, and this problem does not seem to occur. Also: standard def vods were choppy with Chrome (even though load bar was far ahead of progress bar), but with Firefox are smooth. IPL: Work on vod setups, do not spoil but allow for full choice of games. Also work on browser compatibility issues. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
On April 23 2011 02:25 teacash wrote: I must be viewing vods at a different place than you guys above This is where I am watching them. When i click on a macthup, i get a pop up overlay. http://www.ign.com/ipl/videos | ||
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Justanx
United States240 Posts
Do we have to choose? I'm enjoying all these games. Its very nice we are able to express our opinion, but why compare. If you didn't pay for NASL, great for you. If you did (I'm paying and not regretting it one bit) then I'm sorry if you are unhappy. What I don't understand if people complaining about the production value. When the world cup is going on, I was just happy to hear it on any kind of media device. If my favorite team was playing on American football I am happy to at least read about it on some forum. Its the game people, the excitement of the players. Complaining about the score overlay, or it lagged seriously? Its all wonderful. Don't you think? Maybe this industry is being too transparent? Making changes to suit a few, when the content is so enjoyable. I don't have a clue on how to encode or make the audio better. I know how to enjoy and feel the blood rush as pro gamers clash in this arena for our enjoyment. It will never be perfect to please everyone. There will always be something wrong in few peoples eyes. My worry is we are driving a wedge between all these people we have grown to love. People are now choosing sides ( its in the air) DJwheat or Gretorp? TB or Incontrol? wow seriously, is this the way we want it to go down? ( and no i was just making examples not choosing sides) I'm happy for all the people involved. Their time and dedication has hopefully paid off for the benefit of themselves ad well as for our benefit. I saw the moderators on both streams having a field day by banning people left and right. Maybe they should just turn off the chat. Please, lets us enjoy. | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
I look forward to following both leagues. | ||
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Kazang
578 Posts
On April 23 2011 01:05 Skaff wrote: I'm going to hold you to that elephant in season 2! TotalHannibal | ||
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Belligerent
United States46 Posts
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sAfuRos
United States743 Posts
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MMello
279 Posts
Remember.. if you dont give a shit what league you watch... watch nasl | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
On April 23 2011 03:05 Belligerent wrote: Yeah.. fuck the 30 min pre show. No one wants to watch a dude sit in front of a green screen. You know you can pretend they don't exist if you'd like. Just pretend they dropped it and moved the start time back 30 minutes! | ||
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
On April 23 2011 02:55 Justanx wrote: Do we have to choose? I don't want to choose, but there is only so much time in the day to work, play starcraft, watch starcraft, work some more, try and sleep and do it all over again (also trying to fit in Bulls playoff games). therefore, it inevitably comes down to making a choice here and there. I think many of us will ultimately choose GSL first, because we have come to love it and it has been refined into the best pro SC2 around. Plus its live, who doesn't love live action. After GSL i think most of us will have time for one more major league, like either NASL or IPL. I won't be choosing so much as focusing my attention on one. Like, for NASL its the amazing amount of games that i love, so i will probably keep an eye out for the match-ups and players i really want to see, while watching the IPL more religiously like i do GSL. | ||
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ExPresident
United States215 Posts
I didn't get to watch all of the IGN PL last night but from the start it was good, ran smooth, looked great, and sounded good to. Thought the casters did a great job to. All I know is I've got great leagues to watch and they will only continue to improve. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 23 2011 02:55 Justanx wrote: I was wondering, why can't we like both? Some people on here are trying to make us, make a decision on who is the best and citing reasons. I love all the games, all the players, so much content. If the people who love IPL, awesome sauce, if you love NASL awesome sauce as well. Do we have to choose? I'm enjoying all these games. Its very nice we are able to express our opinion, but why compare. If you didn't pay for NASL, great for you. If you did (I'm paying and not regretting it one bit) then I'm sorry if you are unhappy. What I don't understand if people complaining about the production value. When the world cup is going on, I was just happy to hear it on any kind of media device. If my favorite team was playing on American football I am happy to at least read about it on some forum. Its the game people, the excitement of the players. Complaining about the score overlay, or it lagged seriously? Its all wonderful. Don't you think? Maybe this industry is being too transparent? Making changes to suit a few, when the content is so enjoyable. I don't have a clue on how to encode or make the audio better. I know how to enjoy and feel the blood rush as pro gamers clash in this arena for our enjoyment. It will never be perfect to please everyone. There will always be something wrong in few peoples eyes. My worry is we are driving a wedge between all these people we have grown to love. People are now choosing sides ( its in the air) DJwheat or Gretorp? TB or Incontrol? wow seriously, is this the way we want it to go down? ( and no i was just making examples not choosing sides) I'm happy for all the people involved. Their time and dedication has hopefully paid off for the benefit of themselves ad well as for our benefit. I saw the moderators on both streams having a field day by banning people left and right. Maybe they should just turn off the chat. Please, lets us enjoy. Very nice post, and I agree 100%. I think a lot of the anti-NASL language put out there by the TL community can only hurt Esports. Patience is what is sorely missing. | ||
Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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shifty
United States280 Posts
On April 23 2011 07:54 Alex.IGN wrote: Hey everyone, we really appreciate all of your input and feedback. Right now our engineers are working on our video section to make it better! Please keep giving us feedback as the video site evolves and the event progresses! I've read every single post here and have passed on a lot of great stuff! I really loved how it went yesterday NASL cannot compete with you guys. Better casting, better production and it's free!!! I can't complain. | ||
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diddLY
United States215 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 23 2011 04:13 Doodsmack wrote: Very nice post, and I agree 100%. I think a lot of the anti-NASL language put out there by the TL community can only hurt Esports. Patience is what is sorely missing. Right on. The thing is, this is the first time that anything of this caliber has been brought to western-esports (aside from TSL1 and TSL2). The GSL has had a huge amount of time in watching sc1 management in South Korea and has done a great job in re-inventing that format. This is the first time that something like this is being brought to the western e-sports and frankly, we've been spoiled by the awesomeness of GSL, OSL, MSL. We need to wait and be patient, provide constructive criticism and eventually we can have e-sports blossom around the world. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
edit: i will say the need to add a 3rd video for each match tho so after the first game you dont know who won | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On April 23 2011 00:44 Augury wrote: They even have free VoDs, definitely something to be excited about. Not to mention Wheat is easily the best eSports caster out there. I think Day9 and Husky make a great combo aswell. If I had to watch a game casted by a single caster, I'd pick Khaldor in German, even though I don't understand the German language, he knows how to get the spectator excited. EDIT: I was just checking this thread and I checked the IPL vods just now, and oh my god man that is amazing production. I loved the comic-book style artwork and flashy "BAM BAM" score screen after games. About NASL vs IPL, I think IPL at the moment is definitely way better than NASL in some aspects, but remember what Incontrol said, they don't have a studio full of people working on it, I'm sure when NASL gets more support on production I think it'll be as good as IPL right now. However, I gotta say, I loved that artwork man. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 23 2011 08:46 Bleak wrote: I think Day9 and Husky make a great combo aswell. If I had to watch a game casted by a single caster, I'd pick Khaldor in German, even though I don't understand the German language, he knows how to get the spectator excited. Enthusiasm transcends language. That and Khaldor is a handsome devil. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
- 50 players vs 16 players - 3 months to finish the league vs a few weeks... - players from all over world vs players only from NA Its not even really similar... NASL is more like a sports league, with regular and play off seasons IPL is more like a national competition, its fast and furious with only the best players from a region. - - - - Sure if people have little to no time to watch SC2, then ya you have to choose, but then you will have to choose between these leagues and MLG/Dreamhack/TSL, ETC... To me its not really a competition, its just similar things that people can watch both if they want, but they offer different content. | ||
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Xaeldaren
Ireland588 Posts
Regardless, competition can only drive both groups on to bigger and better things and their mere existence is incredibly exciting for eSports as a whole. | ||
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dani_caliKorea
730 Posts
Season 2 will have 32 players with 4 player seeded from Season 1 So yeah. IPL alone is enough for my sc need. I don't think there's a reason to pay for NASL unless you're a hardcore fan. | ||
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
To be honest i prefer NASL because i personally love gretorp and incontrol's casting and find the level of play to be higher, seeing as it's a global league | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
and good and the production look really professional | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On April 23 2011 08:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Enthusiasm transcends language. That and Khaldor is a handsome devil. Khaldor is probably the closest caster to you in terms of style. His English casting really good, but his German is superb. I remember tuning into the Assembly and just opened one of the streams (others were down or just not streaming matches) and I just wondered "Who the hell is this guy? He really made that game fun!" This was the same effect I've felt about the TRH video and you for the first time. Khaldor has this moments where he talks like a stimmed marine which really make me excited. What I don't like about solo-casting: There are periods of time where casting gets boring, because usually casters pick one of the two styles and go for it (analysis, or make-it-fun) and in solo-casting that kind of becomes too noticable which I don't like. Also, when solo-casting, there is noone to fill in the "blanks", the periods when a caster doesn't really know how to continue (especially on macro games, there's not much to talk about, an analysis type caster fills in those blanks) I feel like Day9 is sort of a mix of both, due to his great knowledge of Starcraft for more than a decade, and also because of his daily show, he knows how to really make something funny/interesting. He also makes some hard to catch jokes (for example a marine survived in one of Boxer vs. Sen games, and Day9 said "That marine chose the Sole Survivor background in Mass Effect") If you played the game, that cracks you up man :D | ||
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kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
The important thing is they are supporting the game we all love. All other Esports would fight and die to have either one of them, and we get both + GSL. We should just feel lucky. | ||
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borlee
Liechtenstein246 Posts
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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subtset
United States23 Posts
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PoopLord
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
Oh well, it's still a nice tourney. gl with season 2! | ||
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Slurgi
United States118 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:12 Zerker wrote: - Custom artwork for the players, Almost resembles street fighter! Yes, this is such a nice touch. It really makes everything look professional and well-produced. This kind of production is what will make Starcraft 2 casting appeal to the masses with less gaming experience. The IGN ProLeague has *really* impressed me. Their open format will allow the great up-and-coming players to have a shot in a major tournament as well. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On April 23 2011 09:21 borlee wrote: is it only for me out of sync? nope, out of sync here too | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
GJ insta-fixing mistakes! | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
On April 23 2011 09:32 mordk wrote: It's synched now! GJ insta-fixing mistakes! It's maybe the the vod of the set 2. each set is a different video | ||
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Gabb
United States63 Posts
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
And in this game, TT1 and drewbie have the wrong race icons under their names. | ||
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Akill_
United Kingdom80 Posts
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
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ginnipig
Canada84 Posts
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Blackhawk13
United States442 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
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Eddog
United States142 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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bitter[KALT]
United States138 Posts
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
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Baz
United Kingdom289 Posts
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blackhydra866
United States20 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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Baz
United Kingdom289 Posts
On April 23 2011 10:17 Oreo7 wrote: Soooo good. I kind of feel bad for NASL, but the IPL is seriously awesome. Totally agree, but the NASL will fix their problems and hopefully at some point it will just become a matter of picking which games you want to watch as opposed to picking based on stream quality etc. | ||
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On April 23 2011 10:24 Chanted wrote: I dont understand how I can watch flawless IGN/IPL stream on best quality on Justintv, and even 240 lags on NASL stream, seems really weird NASL is lagless for me today | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
it also has 14k less viewers then previous casts | ||
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
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Jacobine
United States174 Posts
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DrivE
United States2554 Posts
On April 23 2011 10:27 sureshot_ wrote: The IPL is a black screen for me... I can't get it to work! try refreshing on topic, im really liking the painuser and hd combo painuser is actually a very good commentator, his analysis is impressive | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
Or I guess I should say it's by far my favorite over NASL | ||
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Drock
United States305 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
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trancey
United States430 Posts
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acidbean
Germany287 Posts
On April 23 2011 10:30 Drock wrote:Also, the league needs more players. The second season will be larger, S1 is just a testrun, something that NASL should have done | ||
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eggs
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kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
[B]On April 23 2011 10:25 darthfoley wrote:[/B NASL is lagless for me today That's largely thanks to IPL, I believe. Though Justin.tv has been problematic for all streams lately, at least for us Europeans. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
Also have to say I'm really digging the HD/PainUser combo. On April 22 2011 23:53 Treemonkeys wrote: This just fucking pisses me off so much. What have you done? Nothing. omfg I'm dying laughing right now. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
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quentel
349 Posts
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Slithice
Canada78 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:12 Zerker wrote: This thread is dedicated to how good IGN pro league stream is. If you have anything to say, negative or positive post it here! What i noticed at first - Quality is 1080p, Seriuosly it looks like your watching a dvd! - Audio is amazing, Its crisp, sharp, response is good. - Custom artwork for the players, Almost resembles street fighter! - Professional casters that have a lot of experience in the casting field? YES PLEASE. Leave a comment of your own, why you think this stream / league is amazing or if your disappointed :D 100% Agree, other tournaments could learn from the IPL. | ||
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venge1155
United States174 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:20 sermokala wrote: all the games have been shitty so far and I don't like the sole comentator but still great production. This is my exact thoughts on it. No reason not to support it, but I am just not entertained by the games so far. Have I missed player interviews on stream? I have not seen any. I really like that from dreamhack/nasl. Other than that I have no notes for the league. | ||
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Project Psycho
United Kingdom329 Posts
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
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3DGlaDOS
Germany607 Posts
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OneWhoIsMany
Canada292 Posts
Keep up the good work IGN. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
-Fantastic video quality -Game, game, game. Love the pacing, even beats the TSL in that regard. -The production is the best I've seen -No hassle switching casters, always feels natural. -After game stats is a brilliant touch. Shit, I never thought IGN could actually create anything worth watching. Instead they go ahead and make the best Western SC2 tournament production wise, can't wait for the real thing. This is how online tournaments should be run (pacing wise, obviously can't ask for this kind of production from anyone). Though no tournament is perfect. -Would like to have some caster who really knows the game. Artosis style in other words. More than covered on enthusiasm as it is (which is not a bad thing of course). err I can't think of anything else. | ||
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Coolbeans
Ireland162 Posts
They could also do with always having 2 people casting. 1 doing play by play stuff and the other doing analysis. I like the interviews and casters in the studio that NASL has going though | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On April 23 2011 11:04 Coolbeans wrote: better production but worse games imo They could also do with always having 2 people casting. 1 doing play by play stuff and the other doing analysis. I like the interviews and casters in the studio that NASL has going though Well, games are up to the players right? The game quality is probably going to increase next season, when it's qualifier based and not an invitational. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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eggs
1011 Posts
On April 23 2011 11:19 slyboogie wrote: I wonder, from a business model standpoint, if these big leagues would have a better time signing individual players to contracts. It seems that in the SC2 scene, the players are the true commodities and their play is what draws viewers. Obviously, this model is not great for the fan but I think it would be best for leagues and players. it would work well in Team play, but i don't think it's beneficial for the players or the fans to restrict players to 1 league for individual tournaments. | ||
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BondGamer
61 Posts
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Von
United States363 Posts
I do agree with those that are saying dual casters is the way to go however. It misses the back and forth chemistry with one caster. Other than that ... only problem is there are so many kickass tourney's going on now ... theres no time to keep up with them all! =) :{ | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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DrivE
United States2554 Posts
On April 23 2011 11:49 tree.hugger wrote: We should have liquibet for this league. ^^ Well, maybe next league, seeing as the results have been spoiled for this league already | ||
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Robonord
United States311 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Asshat
593 Posts
On April 23 2011 11:53 crms wrote: Nada playing in NASL for christ sake and IPN has double the stream viewers. Shows you what good quality can bring. NASL still has nuclear silo sound and mouse clicking.. All the production in the world can't make up for the excellent game that was just played in the NASL. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On April 23 2011 12:00 Asshat wrote: All the production in the world can't make up for the excellent game that was just played in the NASL. true that was an incredible comeback. However considering most, all but like 2-3? of the IPL players are in NASL the chance for amazing games is pretty much the same... Amazing games happen by chance when the best players in the world are playing against each other, both leagues have this chance. There is no excuse for the sound quality to still be this bad on NASL. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On April 23 2011 12:00 Asshat wrote: All the production in the world can't make up for the excellent game that was just played in the NASL. i hope nobody is arguing that one tournament inherently can't have as good of games as the other ... | ||
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Chewie
Denmark708 Posts
On April 23 2011 11:53 crms wrote: Nada playing in NASL for christ sake and IPN has double the stream viewers. Shows you what good quality can bring. NASL still has nuclear silo sound and mouse clicking.. I just realised Im hearing keyboard chatter... what the funk. I see HD is casting IPL. Cool for him! Have to watch nada vs moonglade first though. | ||
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Scarmath
United States60 Posts
-There is no studio production, and the commentators are presumably recording from their own in-home setups. -It's the post-production that is impressive. They aren't filming anyone live, so the only production aspect is recording the games and the audio from the casters. -As I understand, the games were played further in advance than the NASL games are played, so the editors had more time to put everything together. I'm not saying IPL is bad; I enjoy it quite a bit. But don't say "This is what NASL should do." NASL is trying a more elaborate production, and they are trying to do it more quickly. It's probably a mistake to compare them at all. | ||
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jjllama
United States72 Posts
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Schmieds
United States312 Posts
Painuser and Catspajamas are awesome casters too! | ||
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quentel
349 Posts
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Chewie
Denmark708 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 23 2011 12:00 Asshat wrote: All the production in the world can't make up for the excellent game that was just played in the NASL. until the players see the numbers. Next season has more players. So better matches coming. Its alot easier to get better players then it is to fix major issues with ur league. but i will say i love djwheat been listening to him for a while, but he really needs a co caster like painuser or cats or someone more knowledgeable and his casts will be so elevated imo. | ||
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quentel
349 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On April 23 2011 12:06 Scarmath wrote: I like the IPL, too, but before you try to compare it to the NASL, please understand: -There is no studio production, and the commentators are presumably recording from their own in-home setups. -It's the post-production that is impressive. They aren't filming anyone live, so the only production aspect is recording the games and the audio from the casters. -As I understand, the games were played further in advance than the NASL games are played, so the editors had more time to put everything together. I'm not saying IPL is bad; I enjoy it quite a bit. But don't say "This is what NASL should do." NASL is trying a more elaborate production, and they are trying to do it more quickly. It's probably a mistake to compare them at all. Nobody really needs to "understand". I had a good time watching the IPL and laughed a lot. NASL I just watch to see if my favorite player wins. Flooding the scene with content that people don't enjoy isn't going to make esports grow and could potentially scare off investors. | ||
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TheResidentEvil
United States991 Posts
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seansye
United States1722 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
Just tuned in to NASL... And got InControl clicking and typing on keyboard, and background SC2 music that tries to make up for the poor Gretorp casting... Hmm... | ||
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The_Piper42
United States426 Posts
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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Legend`
Canada381 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
IPL has managed to finally break that and gave us amazing production value on the first time. keep up the work. | ||
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starcraft2rush
306 Posts
At first i was duel-watching but after going back and forth between the streams and seeing them side by side-The comparison was a joke. IPL was everything NASL failed to be so far (here is hoping for improvement from InControl and crew) 1080 crisp and clear video and sound-check Great production value-check, great casting-check, top players-check, professionally done interviews with the token high-maintenance female? check... | ||
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:15 nkwd wrote: no 30 min pre-show! Yes, this is a great feature of this pro league. Amazing job IGN, hope you guys are successful! | ||
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UNeeK
United States237 Posts
i am in awe and did not expect any of that, everything they're doing - they're doing it right. although: djWheat? cmonnnnnn, the solo casting doesnt bother me THAT much but dj wheat is not fit for solo casting, i dont think he really knows enough about the game... | ||
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ZoneofEnders
Canada71 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 23 2011 12:52 UNeeK wrote: although: djWheat? cmonnnnnn, the solo casting doesnt bother me THAT much but dj wheat is not fit for solo casting, i dont think he really knows enough about the game... Every other game/tourney ive seen him cast its been with a co caster because hes more of a colour commentator. I mean he is plat so he has some knowledge but not nearly enough for alot of the viewers. | ||
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dark14cs
143 Posts
IGN showing us how its done | ||
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tsuxiit
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trancey
United States430 Posts
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
both are looking to throw giant amounts of cash at starcraft (nasl more so right now) so if these guys do well, we all do well. | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
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Scarmath
United States60 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:07 SpecFire wrote: all the players in it are nowhere close to korean players. i have zero interest for every player cept for maybe idra in the IPL. why watch this when you can watch the GSL? much more entertaining games and skill in GSL Because GSL is on at 4AM where I live. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:07 SpecFire wrote: all the players in it are nowhere close to korean players. i have zero interest for every player cept for maybe idra in the IPL. why watch this when you can watch the GSL? much more entertaining games and skill in GSL No one's comparing IPL to GSL. Everyone knows the GSL is the best tourney out there. | ||
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gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
again: plz dont overdo this type of stuff, i like that the ipl is focusing on the games, but sometimes slightly more background info about the scene would make it even more enjoyable in my eyes. but all in all, i gotta say thanks and keep up the good work! ^_^ | ||
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BluePabs
United States317 Posts
Either way I enjoy this and as a double elimination tourny goes I'm not too interested with the player selection. Production value is superb though and looking forward to Season 2,3,4.... | ||
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radiumz0rz
United States253 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:15 Black Gun wrote: again: plz dont overdo this type of stuff, i like that the ipl is focusing on the games, but sometimes slightly more background info about the scene would make it even more enjoyable in my eyes. not to mention we can use those times as pee and food breaks :S | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
Idra game 2 not up. Kiwkaki's game1 frozen halfway through. T_T | ||
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Ruyguy
Canada988 Posts
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Leoj
United States396 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:19 Ruyguy wrote: For me it's going to come down to the players actually playing on that day. For example, tomorrow's IPL lineup/players aren't my favourite, so I'm going to watch MC and Select play tomorrow in the NASL. I'm going to give the NASL $25 just because I can, no I'm not going to watch all the VOD's, I might even watch IPL more than NASL, but the only way for e-sports to grow is for the community contribute. It can't always be free TSL, free IPL, free showmatches forever. 1. Get tons of viewers for free events 2. Show sponsors advertising opportunity 3. ??? 4. Free event forever and make money for org running it | ||
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BluePabs
United States317 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:17 radiumz0rz wrote: I have to say that while the production value is good, I cannot see single casting with DJ Wheat, catspajamas or totalbiscuit to be superior to the NASL. I would completely agree. It's almost like watching a youtube channel covering a double elim tournament. | ||
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T.BonePickens
United States50 Posts
The only thing I don't like about it, is that it really does not hype the players. It gives very little back story to each person. I feel that is where the NASL is doing better then the IGN. but overall I was extremely pleased with the IGN production P.S I prefer dual casters. DJ wheat and Total Biscuit can only be so entertaining solo for so long. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
No big problems, although one game (second game of iNcontroL's, with HD/ PU casting, iirc) wasn't synced properly. But that was it. Very impressive overall | ||
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Hyst3ria
United States167 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:19 Ruyguy wrote: For me it's going to come down to the players actually playing on that day. For example, tomorrow's IPL lineup/players aren't my favourite, so I'm going to watch MC and Select play tomorrow in the NASL. I'm going to give the NASL $25 just because I can, no I'm not going to watch all the VOD's, I might even watch IPL more than NASL, but the only way for e-sports to grow is for the community contribute. It can't always be free TSL, free IPL, free showmatches forever. yeah i mean no other organization is able to survive off of giving their viewer base free content.... | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5257 Posts
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Darkzler
Sweden58 Posts
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Scarmath
United States60 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:29 EchelonTee wrote: Hmmm I have to agree, I love the casters and their ability in the field, but I think dual casting is the way to go in a tournament setting. Just group up some of the casters and it should be all good, shouldn't it be? Because it's casted from a replay, it introduces a synchronization problem. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
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dmillz
Canada270 Posts
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
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TheGreenBee
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
So there's some kind of mistake there. Also, the way the stream works is making it impossible for me to watch the games. My net isn't good enough to watch live, and I can't download the VODs, nor I can let it loading because it'll only load a couple minutes and then stop. It needs a constant stream in order to load everything, and as I said, my net isn't good enough. I know it's not their fault my net sux, but I'm just saying people with bad internet connection won't be able to watch the games. That's sad. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:51 TheGreenBee wrote: HD is the worst caster in the mix in my opinion. He just doesn't know what's going on half of the time. The only thing he's good at is act excited. You think hd is the least knowledgeable? What are you watching lol | ||
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:24 T.BonePickens wrote: I personally love production of the IGN league. I love the art work and the animations after each win, it adds a nice flare to it. I also find the Korean name introduction of each player to be hilarious. And the end game stats is something that I find interesting. The only thing I don't like about it, is that it really does not hype the players. It gives very little back story to each person. I feel that is where the NASL is doing better then the IGN. but overall I was extremely pleased with the IGN production P.S I prefer dual casters. DJ wheat and Total Biscuit can only be so entertaining solo for so long. Thanks for your comments! Did you get a chance to check out the in-depth interviews we had with players? You can find them on the videos page @ www.ign.com/ipl | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
TB hypes the battles and I enjoy listening to him, I think he's the only caster that Im feel safe putting on speakers if my family is in the same or adjecent room. Sure he doesn't add too much insight, but he's fun, and well for someone like me... I can analyse the situation, and most of you should be able to two. I feel you guys don't care what game you're watching but rather how good the commentator is. If you watch hockey would you be lost without a commentator too? My advice is learn the game. Djwheat - I really really dislike his solo casting. Very often he doesn't know what he's talking about but he's so confident with what he says. Maybe to the casual person it sounds right but when he's saying how someone is ahead, or how he needs to get this... When clearly the player is just stalling for broodlords is bleh. He can do play by play, but his analysis is really far from correct, and it just bugs me when someone is so confident about wrong things constantly - I think djwheat needs to play the game more or just cast with two people. The Painuser with HD? was a good commentary. They did a solid job, I have no complaints. There's nothing that really stood out, but nothing that was bad , at all... Which alone mKes them better than 95% of the casters. I did like Painusers input even though he was keeping it pretty low level for the casual viewers, they didn't miss anything and I enjoyed the cast. I haven't payed for the GSL or MLG, or even NASL... But if these guys start doing PPV at a reasonable price I will definitely buy because they offered quality, preparation, and just a smooth stream overall. Definitely hoping other tourneys take the same path as this one.... Especially NASL. Well done guys, surely you deserve more than the 12k viewers you had the last two days! | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
On April 23 2011 14:47 Alex.IGN wrote: VODs of Day 2 are up! To find games from previous days, filter by games. This site is still very much a work in progress so the site will improve! Please continue to give us feedback as the site evolves! http://www.ign.com/ipl/videos Please, if you're not going to allow downloading the VODs, at least make it possible to load the whole video without having to actually be watching it, because for people with slow connection, you can't watch it directly, and if you leave it loading, it will only load a couple minutes and then stop. I mean, make it able to press play, start loading, press pause, and then wait untill the whole video is loaded so I can watch without pauses. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 23 2011 15:05 Tschis wrote: Please, if you're not going to allow downloading the VODs, at least make it possible to load the whole video without having to actually be watching it, because for people with slow connection, you can't watch it directly, and if you leave it loading, it will only load a couple minutes and then stop. I mean, make it able to press play, start loading, press pause, and then wait untill the whole video is loaded so I can watch without pauses. It doesn't do that for you? It loads for me just fine when I pause. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:51 TheGreenBee wrote: HD is the worst caster in the mix in my opinion. He just doesn't know what's going on half of the time. The only thing he's good at is act excited. Ur insane lol. HD is a masters level player, he just lets pain user take the role of analysis because that's how they go. He's a much better player than most commentators lol. | ||
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ZeeMan
Australia66 Posts
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Zeddicus
United States239 Posts
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mentallyafk
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 23 2011 14:38 Skillz_Man wrote: Just my thoughts on the casters from a masters level perspective. TB hypes the battles and I enjoy listening to him, I think he's the only caster that Im feel safe putting on speakers if my family is in the same or adjecent room. Sure he doesn't add too much insight, but he's fun, and well for someone like me... I can analyse the situation, and most of you should be able to two. I feel you guys don't care what game you're watching but rather how good the commentator is. If you watch hockey would you be lost without a commentator too? My advice is learn the game. hmm it seems your interpretation of the TB criticism is a bit off.. People don't really NEED to be explicitly explained every little nuance of the match...but a those little details should come naturally to a good commentator (why ex-pros make brilliant commentators) so they can highlight what is important thats going on in the game. TB stands out because he either highlights the wrong thing / and if he does get it right it feels really forced and not natural, so he falls back on his annoying antics and observational humor...But yea when people say they want a more knowledgeable caster, its not because people are lost with a bad commentator, a bad commentator is just really, really distracting from the game. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
On April 23 2011 14:13 Tabbris wrote: You think hd is the least knowledgeable? What are you watching lol I agree with him. Many times that HD says something, Pain User disagrees and then drops knowledge bombs. People are saying that TB has no knowledge of the game, but I haven't found that to be the case. He's made plenty of correct predictions, references to pros, and other indicators of a decent understanding of the game. The fact that people find TB's voice annoying or style unappealing isn't the same as him not knowing about the games. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
The only problem i have with TB is that he is really lacking on the game knowledge department. He doesn't know the current meta game or what's going on with sc2. I don't even know if he still plays the game. Dj always cast games and Pain/HD are master level. But yeh you really don't need to have a diploma to know the game or need a lot to cast games. I think you just need the current popular strat pros/players are doing and of course information of each player. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:11 gamecrazy wrote: IPL has certainly been very impressively executed. The entertainment value, stream quality is excellent. I feel like there wasn't very much transparency with the community on how IPL would select players/etc. However, that aside, its a great thing to watch. This is kind of what bothers me. A lot of people are being seduced by the IPL's production value, but they haven't demonstrated anything that makes me think that are running anything but a cool invitational with fun graphics. | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 23 2011 15:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I agree with him. Many times that HD says something, Pain User disagrees and then drops knowledge bombs. People are saying that TB has no knowledge of the game, but I haven't found that to be the case. He's made plenty of correct predictions, references to pros, and other indicators of a decent understanding of the game. The fact that people find TB's voice annoying or style unappealing isn't the same as him not knowing about the games. While I agree with everything you say... I do think you are just lowering the bar by which you judge TB as knowledgeable. Does he know nothing about the game? of course not, you are right. But does he know as much as a good commentator should for a premier starcraft league? I do not believe so. So yea he does get most of the general stuff right. So saying he knows nothing and stuff is indeed wrong. But I wouldn't dismiss the fact that he definitely has a lot to learn before a lot of people take him seriously... | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:11 gamecrazy wrote: IPL has certainly been very impressively executed. The entertainment value, stream quality is excellent. I feel like there wasn't very much transparency with the community on how IPL would select players/etc. However, that aside, its a great thing to watch. Thanks for your positive comments! Your comment about transparency confuses me though, as I feel like it's been a pretty much 'ask me anything' situation with TL and we've gone to great lengths to be as transparent as possible. There was a ton of talk about players at the outset of the announcement, but not lately because it's been covered already. Further, I posted the following on the main announcement post: "Q: Why was player <X> or <Y> not involved with this? A: Unfortunately with a set of 16 players, we had to make hard choices and decisions about who we extended invites to. Some popular players did have conflicts with the scheduling or did not want to participate, and there was not much we could do that about. We feel like we have a strong range of players that have different play styles and will provide entertaining matches. We hope to see the popular players we weren't able to extend an invitation to excel in the IPL 2 qualifiers and participate next season!" To clarify, we based our invites mostly based on 1) availability 2) community awareness 3) viewership potential 4) skill level and 5) past tournament results, in no particular order. If there's ever something people feel confused about, just ask, or look around. I don't want a false impression that we're not being transparent starting to circulate. On April 23 2011 15:56 Defacer wrote: This is kind of what bothers me. A lot of people are being seduced by the IPL's production value, but they haven't demonstrated anything that makes me think that are running anything but a cool invitational with fun graphics. I'm not actually sure what you mean by this. Demonstrate that we're going to be sticking around, or what exactly is meant? If you can clarify what you mean I will do what I can to put your mind at ease. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:17 Whiplash wrote: I tuned in to watch it and was instantly impressed. The production quality is INCREDIBLE. This is what the NASL should have been. I echo this sentiment strongly. The other thing I have to mention is that DjWheat is actually a really good solo caster, I've never seen him do it before but he can handle it quite well. | ||
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WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
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Kewlots
Australia534 Posts
Im liking total biscuit | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45332 Posts
On April 23 2011 15:59 Zeri wrote: While I agree with everything you say... I do think you are just lowering the bar by which you judge TB as knowledgeable. Does he know nothing about the game? of course not, you are right. But does he know as much as a good commentator should for a premier starcraft league? I do not believe so. So yea he does get most of the general stuff right. So saying he knows nothing and stuff is indeed wrong. But I wouldn't dismiss the fact that he definitely has a lot to learn before a lot of people take him seriously... Fair enough. He certainly has a long way to go before he becomes the knowledge equivalent of a Day[9], Tasteless, or Artosis! | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
Speaking of games, last night's set of games was even better than the first and sported more back and forth action and innovative play. Of course, that's nothing IGN can control but it's always a plus when the games turn out to be amazing as well. First time hearing the HD/PainUser combo and they've got some great synergy going there. Wheat and TB are obviously good too and perform well as solo casters. The amount of analysis they can provide are sufficient and balanced out by their in-your-face entertainment value. I kind of feel that if you possess more knowledge than them, you don't need it spelled out for you and can enjoy them for the excitement. And in the case you know less about the game, they can still give some decent pointers and alert you of the most essential things. Although, if you care little for entertainment and watch for learning and analysis, then you're probably in the wrong place. | ||
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
PS:It was working fine until today. | ||
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B.I.G.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:22 LUE.Leoj wrote: 1. Get tons of viewers for free events 2. Show sponsors advertising opportunity 3. ??? 4. Free event forever and make money for org running it thats exactly what ive been saying so often in the various nasl threads. you dont grow things by cutting out tons of potential viewers. NASL is maybe the worst concept for "growing" esports overall. i cant tell my buddy "hey that nasl match was awesome! check this vod!". instead the "hardcore" part of the community gets forced to pay. esports has to get more people into it and build a solid foundation. if it only can work if tons of people blindly throw money at it then its not ready yet. On April 23 2011 19:41 B.I.G. wrote: yeah dual casting would be mo fun.. and also i feel its a bit of a shame there are no EU/KOR players but i suppose we already have nasl and tsl for cross realm tournaments.. this season is pretty much a test season. playpool will be way different and more open season2. also they already said they are def considering to more/all dualcasting for season2. :> | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
This is the most important issue when not casting live, syncing HAS to be perfect .... everything else looks really good! not a huge HD fan but i thought he did pretty good with painuser. | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On April 23 2011 20:54 KaiserJohan wrote: Are only game 1 of each sets available? nope. had some issues finding them at first too. http://www.ign.com/ipl/videos when you click on a video you should be able to choose all the game from the bottom of the popup. looks like the transparency is f'ed up tho so you'll have to full screen it to not see the flash or use an adblocker i guess. double click the video to go full screen. Note to the developers: fix the wmode on your flash ad and fb plugin ^_^ | ||
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Project Psycho
United Kingdom329 Posts
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ambientmf
Canada77 Posts
EDIT: Since the VODs are free, why don't they offer downloads or something? I can't stand watching VODs in embedded players at all, and since there's no issue of piracy for free content, I would really like a download link...I like my VOD's to-go. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 23 2011 21:13 Project Psycho wrote: I dont know if this has been said already or even if its already in effect, but i think it would be awesome if the VODs could be added to YouTube. I think it would attract even more new fans to the scene with the VODs coming straight from the most recognised gaming site on the net. We are able to upload the first of each series to our Youtube channels. | ||
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Zechs
United Kingdom321 Posts
-'meh' player pool +mostly good casters -total biscsuit +free vods -live broadcast at 2am/3am in europe Overall i'm much more impressed than i originally anticipated. I hope they added better players for season two though. A lot of the games are pretty uninteresting to me, although having the results spoiled probably didn't help. | ||
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dubRa
2165 Posts
On April 23 2011 13:22 LUE.Leoj wrote: 1. Get tons of viewers for free events 2. Show sponsors advertising opportunity 3. ??? 4. Free event forever and make money for org running it 100% agree. The question is whether the market is big enough to have those sponsors. Free streaming is a great thing to have especially in NASL's case because they re-stream for Europeans. Only the hardcore fans pay money for the VODs. And I think free VODs are more important than leagues realise. It's a bit selfish from me because I am not a player but I think MC wouldn't be upset with 30k less for a GSL win, but 40% more viewers. Tastosis says the subsription money goes to sustaining the service, but putting it on youtube would cost nothing. In my opinion something like the GSL would f*ing explode on youtube with proper promotion. Then again I don't think GSL, NASL organisers are too stupid to see what what people at TSL and IPL see. It must be something what we don't know. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
Also EGIdra vs Drewbie game 2 dosn't exist...? | ||
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kardinal
Sweden154 Posts
Despite what I've heard about justin.tv and europe I've been able to watch at 1080p smoothly. Well except for that once when all of justin.tv went down but that's another matter. The cartoon versions of the players were a nice stylistic touch in contrast to GSL's short clips of people in black backgrounds making fighting poses. No complaints on the sound, things were done well. Then it comes down to players and casters. Unfortunately despite all the positives, with the limited time available to me I just don't see myself watching IGN anytime soon except semis/finals because there just isn't enough star power (biased perspective). Now I know this is a trial run but I really hope IPL get some more really good players in and/or revise the not inviting europeans and koreans thing. To me it just seems like such a shame to have such a great production and not milk it more. Regarding casters, plenty of my friends are hating on some for their lack of ingame knowledge and I kind of agree. There have been many a cringe worthy moments. I was tuning in yesterday and I heard a solo caster with a completely monotonous voice do a play by play of complete deadtime for I don't know how long. It was so boring I just switched to doing something else. I'm sorry I don't even know who it was. Atleast TB and DJWheat can fake enthusiasm properly. It's not exactly everyone that has such a positive and bubbly voice. I think it has been a great disservice to both of them that they weren't paired with an analytical caster. I don't expect grandmaster player experience from any of them but if they were to improve their in game knowledge and reduce the amount of wait whut moments they'd be great casters. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On April 23 2011 21:30 KaiserJohan wrote: Yeah I saw videos related to the league but imo it's pretty messed up and hard to navigate. It should be easier to find each game of each set, like group game 1, 2 and 3 together. Also EGIdra vs Drewbie game 2 dosn't exist...? + Show Spoiler + There were only two games if I remember correctly. They might have mislabeled g2 as g3. | ||
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RM_12
201 Posts
On April 23 2011 20:30 pStar wrote: CatzPyjamas or whatever his name is was absolutely incredible, honestly one of the most soothing voices ever. Seriously, it sounded as if I was listening to an advertisement. I didn't like his commentary at all. He had nothing to talk about most of the time, just stating the obvious: "He's building pylon at 9. Now gate at 13. He's moving out." TB did better job than i expected, DjWheat is ok and HD+Painuser worked very well because its 2 casters and one of them is pro gamer, but that guy you are talking about... after first game with his commentary i muted the stream and turned my music on, because he wasn't giving any information whatsoever. | ||
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esperanto
Germany357 Posts
Really good concept, I love it so far. (despite for some problems i have with the embedded player on the website) We dont really need to compare to NASL. They have some problems, but all in all I think NASL with its huge player-pool and awesome tournament system (divisions...) will absolutly end up beeing a great League as well. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 23 2011 21:26 dubRa wrote: 100% agree. The question is whether the market is big enough to have those sponsors. Free streaming is a great thing to have especially in NASL's case because they re-stream for Europeans. Only the hardcore fans pay money for the VODs. And I think free VODs are more important than leagues realise. It's a bit selfish from me because I am not a player but I think MC wouldn't be upset with 30k less for a GSL win, but 40% more viewers. Tastosis says the subsription money goes to sustaining the service, but putting it on youtube would cost nothing. In my opinion something like the GSL would f*ing explode on youtube with proper promotion. Then again I don't think GSL, NASL organisers are too stupid to see what what people at TSL and IPL see. It must be something what we don't know. imo sc2 advertising is pretty much the most effective you can get as a company. you hit right into your target group , get TONS of views, get a nice image and its not that expensive. and esports/leagues can work well without forcing people to spend big money on it. look at esl. they do their stuff for years across several games with free vods and a very cheap premium service which gives acces to HQ stream/vods. tbh im not sure why nasl decided against it. maybe they thought "gsl does it, why cant we?" or they desperatly needed money or whatever. but imho thats one of the mainreasons why nasl is declining while IGNleague is exploding. one is a free high quality testphase of a "communityleague" that you can watch whenever you want while the other is a costly very bumby testphase of a "businessleague". ofcourse i realize both(all leagues) are business in the end. but the feel and perception for the customer/viewer are vastly different between "free lq livestream,pay for evrything else or gtfo", "free lq stream/vods, optional pay for hq if you want" and "free evrything! have fun :D". | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
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Metaphysic
63 Posts
I don't really understand why these new leagues don't understand that the most effective commentary is a duo, with one person primarily being the color and the other analyzing the possible strategies that each player is executing. Throw in some amusing banter between the commentators for the downtime when neither player is doing anything that interesting. Is it really that hard to find two people like that? Look at almost any professional sport and that's what they do. The production quality is the best I've seen from a non-Korean tournament, it's just too bad that its weighed down by the commentators. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
they are working from completely different formats, IPL is cast from replays, a week before airing. This means they have a week to edit and encode the videos. They don't have interviews, or analysis on the matches or maps, and no live video of the casters. Thats simply nothing like as complicated as the NASL broadcast which has live casters, casting live games, with analysis and interviews, edited and encoded in under 48 hours for broadcast..... and Friday night's broadcast was almost perfect quality..... its such a shame people give up on things so damn fast these days. The TSL is similar to the IPL production wise, except that its broadcast live, using replays. But again, no live caster video, only game footage and overlays. Which are way simpler than NASL. Both IPL and TSL are very polished, and awesome, but simply not of the same ambition as NASL. Short memories seem to be evident in this community, because the first 3 seasons of GSL had a terrible streaming experience and the VOD's took forever to load and were choppy because they simply didn't have the bandwidth they needed. Everyone still paid and stuck with them, they said they were improving the stream and they did..... NASL's free stream is the same quality as the GSL PAID stream, NASL is $25 for 3 months of 25 matches per week, 1080p stream and VODs. GSL is $10 per month and only runs 3 out of 4 weeks in that month, showing a max of 4 bo3 matches per day. People rarely complain about GSL anymore, but it took them 3 months of us sticking with them before they got it right. If we gave organisations a chance to work out the kinks, which the guys at wellplayed.org got to do with the SC Reddit opens and the SCRI, all of which had excellent production, then we might be more satisfied. Criticism is great, but shouting at the top of your voice how shit something is and then not giving them more than 48 hours to fix everything is just moronic. | ||
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Naftali
United States54 Posts
On April 23 2011 22:42 SnuggleZhenya wrote: Does no one else worry about patronizing a company owned by Rupert Murdoch? I just can't bring myself to have anything to do with IGN, regardless of how high quality it is. If I let my politics guide all of my decisions about who to patronize, I might starve to death. I'm shopping at Target right now, even though the owners are homophobic jerks. Chik-fil-a is run by fundamentalists, but the chicken sandwiches are delicious. | ||
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j3i
United States357 Posts
On April 23 2011 23:53 Naftali wrote: If I let my politics guide all of my decisions about who to patronize, I might starve to death. I'm shopping at Target right now, even though the owners are homophobic jerks. Chik-fil-a is run by fundamentalists, but the chicken sandwiches are delicious. I think by "Chik-fil-a" you mean: "Fuck, it's Sunday" but yeah, other than the leaked brackets, I think IGN did an awesome job. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
On April 23 2011 15:12 jmbthirteen wrote: It doesn't do that for you? It loads for me just fine when I pause. Nope, it doesn't. It's really not "bad connection friendly". I have to watch 2 minutes, then wait it load another 2, then watch those 2 and wait even more. And I can't fast forward too... | ||
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MorNin
United States443 Posts
They actually had way more than a week, from what I heard it was played a month ago... Hell the spoiled brackets have been out for a couple of days... | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
I think it's a little hard to navigate their VODs but the quality of games, casting, editing and interviews has been top notch. | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On April 24 2011 02:48 Halcyondaze wrote: IGN is a great production. The quality is unrivaled. I do wish they could find casters that are players. The play-by-play casting may be entertaining to others but I want in the minds of the players and casting by somebody who knows what they are talking about not just some mindless babble about how this 1 stalker is doing some sick micro! and has like 4 kills! I can see that, don't need anybody to tell me The IGN is not aimed at hardcore SC2 fans, it is aimed at a casual audience, hence the commentary is simple, for the simple man/woman. Hell most people on this forums could do without commentary in ANY sc2 game and fully understand what is going on, who is ahead etcetera. It is not aimed at you, it is aimed at a much broader audience. | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On April 23 2011 23:24 emythrel wrote: I wish people would stop comparing an endevour live the NASL with the TSL and IPL. they are working from completely different formats, IPL is cast from replays, a week before airing. This means they have a week to edit and encode the videos. They don't have interviews, or analysis on the matches or maps, and no live video of the casters. Thats simply nothing like as complicated as the NASL broadcast which has live casters, casting live games, with analysis and interviews, edited and encoded in under 48 hours for broadcast..... and Friday night's broadcast was almost perfect quality..... its such a shame people give up on things so damn fast these days. The TSL is similar to the IPL production wise, except that its broadcast live, using replays. But again, no live caster video, only game footage and overlays. Which are way simpler than NASL. Both IPL and TSL are very polished, and awesome, but simply not of the same ambition as NASL. Short memories seem to be evident in this community, because the first 3 seasons of GSL had a terrible streaming experience and the VOD's took forever to load and were choppy because they simply didn't have the bandwidth they needed. Everyone still paid and stuck with them, they said they were improving the stream and they did..... NASL's free stream is the same quality as the GSL PAID stream, NASL is $25 for 3 months of 25 matches per week, 1080p stream and VODs. GSL is $10 per month and only runs 3 out of 4 weeks in that month, showing a max of 4 bo3 matches per day. People rarely complain about GSL anymore, but it took them 3 months of us sticking with them before they got it right. If we gave organisations a chance to work out the kinks, which the guys at wellplayed.org got to do with the SC Reddit opens and the SCRI, all of which had excellent production, then we might be more satisfied. Criticism is great, but shouting at the top of your voice how shit something is and then not giving them more than 48 hours to fix everything is just moronic. Well said, give NASL a chance guys. It has insane potential. A constant supply of TOP quality games. Really good players and a high prize pool. Give them a chance to get back on their feet and give us something amazing. | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
Maybe would be wise of them to attach a professional to each established play-by-play caster as a matter of course but I don't think they suffer too much for it. | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
Casters changing is to blame maybe, but definitely that they apparently don't know what order the games will be shown in. Or the casters just did them whenever they felt like it and I think it shows. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
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Trakz
Canada178 Posts
The production costs must be a lot due to the quality shown. I also loved the fact that there is not long pre-show before the actual show. Caster wise, I dont think I have a preference for NASL or IGNProLeague. | ||
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
My pros and cons are as follows: IPL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: Rediculoulsy good production values Weren't overly ambitious: Starting small, working towards larger endeavors Great graphics Popular, experienced casters. Doesn't alienate N00bs or pros. 1080p stream FREE VODS!!! <--- The Best Interviews and Hype videos Korean Player anouncer! Cons: Not a lot of players yet... Few big names No international players CatsPajamas... NASL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: Tons of player. ALL the big names Huge shows News articles Player interviews Casted Live Cons: Lag Greedy with the monetization. PAY VODs... You even have to pay for interviews?! Gretorp.. Walkovers Lag TSL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: The best casters. Ever. Great players! Big names Great production values Experience Casted Live Cons: Server lag for international players Bias Slow schedule GSL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: Artosis Highest production values It's in Korea Cultural significance All the best Korean Progamers Reasonable balance of Free/Pay content Casted Live The players are actually there, in studio Cons: Tasteless Blizzards heavy-handed method of enforcing its IP rights. Lack of international players Self-focused | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
Just wanted to specifically give some props to HD and PainUser who were really good together. The conversation between the two is really smooth. I feel like they're the lead commentary booth, reserved for casting championship and all the most important matches. Although I'd prefer expert commentary, I'm actually ok with TotalBiscuit doing a solo cast as long as it isn't critical matches. He's more of a personality caster, so he's got that going for him if you like it, but I can see him turning others off. It can be as much about him as about the sc2 match you're watching. Of course, I'd try him out with some expert analyst, but I'm not sure who would have good chemistry with him. As for DJWheat, I like him, but he really needs a analyst co-caster imo. He's not as a strong of a personality caster. He's always worked really well with Day9, so that's the first person that comes to mind. | ||
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ahronee
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GeeseHoward
United States78 Posts
On April 24 2011 03:21 rapidtransit247 wrote: Nice post by emythrel. Props. My pros and cons are as follows: IPL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: Rediculoulsy good production values Weren't overly ambitious: Starting small, working towards larger endeavors Great graphics Popular, experienced casters. Doesn't alienate N00bs or pros. 1080p stream FREE VODS!!! <--- The Best Interviews and Hype videos Korean Player anouncer! Cons: Not a lot of players yet... Few big names No international players CatsPajamas... NASL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: Tons of player. ALL the big names Huge shows News articles Player interviews Casted Live Cons: Lag Greedy with the monetization. PAY VODs... You even have to pay for interviews?! Gretorp.. Walkovers Lag TSL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: The best casters. Ever. Great players! Big names Great production values Experience Casted Live Cons: Server lag for international players Bias Slow schedule GSL: + Show Spoiler + Pros: Artosis Highest production values It's in Korea Cultural significance All the best Korean Progamers Reasonable balance of Free/Pay content Casted Live The players are actually there, in studio Cons: Tasteless Blizzards heavy-handed method of enforcing its IP rights. Lack of international players Self-focused Wait... Did you not read what you said for the GSL and NASL. GSL Pro: Reasonable balance of Free/Pay content NASL Con: PAY VODs... They're the exact same model. You have to pay for vods for both of them. GOM provides 1 free for all thematches as a teaser but you need to pay for the rest. :/ Except for their benefit Japan event, but they're doing that to raise donations. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
But wow, the production quality on the IPL is pretty amazing. I've definitely been impressed with the league. | ||
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
On April 24 2011 03:29 Spicy Pepper wrote: As for DJWheat, I like him, but he really needs a analyst co-caster imo. He's not as a strong of a personality caster. How is this possible? I'm an obviously bias Zerg caster. You must play Terran ^_^ | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On April 24 2011 02:48 Halcyondaze wrote: IGN is a great production. The quality is unrivaled. I do wish they could find casters that are players. The play-by-play casting may be entertaining to others but I want in the minds of the players and casting by somebody who knows what they are talking about not just some mindless babble about how this 1 stalker is doing some sick micro! and has like 4 kills! I can see that, don't need anybody to tell me Haha I agree so much with this. I'm waiting for a caster to just be silent for a while | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:24 Beyonder wrote: Haha I agree so much with this. I'm waiting for a caster to just be silent for a while One of the largest complaints about the NASL is that the casters ARE players. I'm not saying Gretorp/INcontrol are bad (I like them), but what you're essentially asking for is NASL casting since I can't think of any players out there who cast at their level who also play at a high level. I guess you can't make everybody happy. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:38 On_Slaught wrote: I guess you can't make everybody happy. This would sum up most of the complaints about every cast, regardless of what it is. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:24 Beyonder wrote: Haha I agree so much with this. I'm waiting for a caster to just be silent for a while That's something that I've always enjoyed about German soccer commentators lot of them have been commentating for so long that they know when they can just let the game speak for it's self. I think that will come to sc2 as casters become more experienced. | ||
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CatsPajamas
United States337 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:30 asdd wrote: Love wheats casting and I'm in grandmaster. I don't understand the hate on play by play casters by the people on tl. Great work IGN! This. It seems that it's low to mid level players that dislike play by play, but top tier guys hate when people make wild predictions or theories about their play. Every grandmasters player I've met in person has loved my casting, but it is usually Joe platinum player that gets mad I only do play by play. :D Analysis is best when combined with play by play. For those wondering, the IPL is using this season as a test of production. Casters are doing work from their home. It's difficult for me to cast with anyone else because I live in St. Louis. However, I do believe in the effectiveness of dual casters. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:43 CatsPajamas wrote: This. It seems that it's low to mid level players that dislike play by play, but top tier guys hate when people make wild predictions or theories about their play. Every grandmasters player I've met in person has loved my casting, but it is usually Joe platinum player that gets mad I only do play by play. :D Analysis is best when combined with play by play. For those wondering, the IPL is using this season as a test of production. Casters are doing work from their home. It's difficult for me to cast with anyone else because I live in St. Louis. However, I do believe in the effectiveness of dual casters. That's usually because top-tier players have less to gain hearing analysis than lower-league players that have a lot more to learn and to gain watching a match. If one can enjoy a match and learn from it, that's probably what they're looking for. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:38 On_Slaught wrote: One of the largest complaints about the NASL is that the casters ARE players. I'm not saying Gretorp/INcontrol are bad (I like them), but what you're essentially asking for is NASL casting since I can't think of any players out there who cast at their level who also play at a high level. I guess you can't make everybody happy. The criticism is not that they are players, its that they aren't seasoned casters. But give it a month or so of casting every day and they will get better.... They have a solid foundation in depth game knowledge and the casting skill will come really easily because of that. Its a LOT harder to have good casting skills and try to pick up game knowledge over time. EDIT (no you can't make everyone happy, but saying that seems like a self-righteous cop out in a lot of situations, you can always make more people happy than you currently do ^_^ (or at least thats the attitude a person taking criticism should have)) | ||
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edward.IGN
47 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:47 PartyBiscuit wrote: Wow, they just fixed the VODs, now it's spoiler free and it's definitely a better system. Yup, check them out at http://www.ign.com/ipl/videos ! | ||
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PainUser
United States206 Posts
That being said I think people should stop comparing IPL to NASL/GSL etc. All of these organizations are promoting something we love I feel we should be content to support them all. Also as far as the casting critiques try to keep it positive/informative, I can speak personally when I say it hurts for someone to bash your final casting product and there isn't anything you can learn from someone saying "YOU HAVE NO GAME KNOWLEDGE" Try to give constructive criticism. | ||
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MusiK
United States302 Posts
Also didn't like the solo biscuit deal goin on. Only if NASL had production like these guys with their setup of players and tournament.... =/ | ||
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CatsPajamas
United States337 Posts
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SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 24 2011 02:48 Halcyondaze wrote: IGN is a great production. The quality is unrivaled. I do wish they could find casters that are players. The play-by-play casting may be entertaining to others but I want in the minds of the players and casting by somebody who knows what they are talking about not just some mindless babble about how this 1 stalker is doing some sick micro! and has like 4 kills! I can see that, don't need anybody to tell me Yeah, I agree. As much as I like having distinguished casters calling the play-by-play, there something is still missing. PainUser's analysis is ok, I guess. I expected a little more out of him to be honest. With the rest of the commentator's, its more along the lines of, "Yes, let's get excited and call the play-by-play." Play-by-play is fine, but you need some color. It's not an easy job when you get one bo3 to cast in each round and your doing it solo. I understand that. We have to keep in mind, they're trying to market this towards the general, populace gamer as well. | ||
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TehForce
1072 Posts
ITS AWESOME ! Its just like i expected the NASL to be. I hope NASL learns from IGN and gets as good as this. It really means something, when your production is better than TSL3 (Best Online Production until now). Great! | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Deception-35
United States113 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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WillyReturnStroke
United States73 Posts
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Authweight
United States304 Posts
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Scribble
2077 Posts
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 24 2011 12:33 Scribble wrote: How do you view vods from previous days? Select "Games" from the filter menu and then hit filter! | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On April 24 2011 12:34 Alex.IGN wrote: Select "Games" from the filter menu and then hit filter! Thank you. That's a little non-intuitive though. Maybe you guys could add a "Day 1," "Day 2," etc. category to the filters? Otherwise you just get the most recent day or two of games with the default filters. (= Also, super glad to see the page format already changed a bit from day 1, so that you have the non-spoilery "game 1-3" buttons like on Gom's vods. Great job on that. :D | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
IPL: ever seen a youtube vid? ever watched the GSL? ever watched ANY vod at all ever?! vods aren't supposed to be choppy when the load bar is well ahead of the progress bar.. It doesn't always happen this way, but man when it does i want to throw something through a window.. awful awful vod engine.. needs to be fixed | ||
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:02 NoahNickels wrote: hope you can hear my applause from hear IGN, the only thing even remotely wrong with your league was the VOD system which you fixed post-haste. holy schnikes, you guys rule. that was fast. love the commentators. Biscuit makes me feel like i am watching a 1920s horse race, in a good way! Thanks! Keep giving us feedback as our website evolves and becomes better! This whole season is all about making the optimal setup for IPL Season Two! | ||
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darthcaesar
United States475 Posts
On April 25 2011 05:43 Alex.IGN wrote: Thanks! Keep giving us feedback as our website evolves and becomes better! This whole season is all about making the optimal setup for IPL Season Two! It's so sick that you guys fix problems you hear about! Mucho <3 | ||
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jimmychim
Canada20 Posts
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tsuxiit
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
wtf is the "Auto" button with the connection strength next to it? Why do I spike every time that bar fluctuates? For christ's sake IGN, please make the vods watchable for me.. I'm talking about standard def here, never even bothered with HD.. I don't watch 1080p streams because they tend to chop for me.. But I expect to be able to watch whatever vods I want, because there's this crazy concept of a "loading bar" which seems to actually mean something for every vod engine except IPL.. I literally can't watch IPL vods. So disappointing. Why can't you cross-post the vods on youtube like TSL does? or on justin.tv like NASL does? *ragequit* | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:31 teacash wrote: eugh so frustrated that the vods are choppy for me.. wtf is the "Auto" button with the connection strength next to it? Why do I spike every time that bar fluctuates? For christ's sake IGN, please make the vods watchable for me.. I'm talking about standard def here, never even bothered with HD.. I don't watch 1080p streams because they tend to chop for me.. But I expect to be able to watch whatever vods I want, because there's this crazy concept of a "loading bar" which seems to actually mean something for every vod engine except IPL.. I literally can't watch IPL vods. So disappointing. Why can't you cross-post the vods on youtube like TSL does? or on justin.tv like NASL does? *ragequit* I'm trying to figure out the exact issue here, we've willing to work with people but we probably need some information. The IGN video player auto-adjusts its quality to best fit the bandwidth that you're downloading the video content at so that might be it. When you say you literally can't watch the IPL vods what do you actually mean? Like does it not load, is it choppy, does it take a long time to load, or what specifically? We need some details to be able to assist you. We will have our VODs up on youtube in the near future. | ||
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Rossweazel
United Kingdom135 Posts
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obsidia
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
everyone loves this, everyone hated NASL. well, thats just what happens. turns out people arent just "haters", but they were desperate for something refreshing and well done after NASL. i imagine this league wouldnt get THIS much praise if it wasnt for NASL lowering the standard a week before :p but yeah. haha. | ||
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Fojji
United Kingdom217 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:31 teacash wrote: eugh so frustrated that the vods are choppy for me.. wtf is the "Auto" button with the connection strength next to it? Why do I spike every time that bar fluctuates? For christ's sake IGN, please make the vods watchable for me.. I'm talking about standard def here, never even bothered with HD.. I don't watch 1080p streams because they tend to chop for me.. But I expect to be able to watch whatever vods I want, because there's this crazy concept of a "loading bar" which seems to actually mean something for every vod engine except IPL.. I literally can't watch IPL vods. So disappointing. Why can't you cross-post the vods on youtube like TSL does? or on justin.tv like NASL does? *ragequit* How about stop raging and being such a spoilt little brat and post actually more details on what goes wrong and maybe people will help you. Toys back in the pram. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
HD/PU casting duo is quite awesome the IGN media player is simply awful being redirected to another page for the HD VODs is annoying there are some issues in regards to audio synch but its not that big of a deal TB is still clueless about the different MUs, BOs and Starcraft in general other than that - the games are entertaining and the commentary is generally good (: | ||
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
On April 25 2011 07:42 Alex.IGN wrote: I'm trying to figure out the exact issue here, we've willing to work with people but we probably need some information. The IGN video player auto-adjusts its quality to best fit the bandwidth that you're downloading the video content at so that might be it. When you say you literally can't watch the IPL vods what do you actually mean? Like does it not load, is it choppy, does it take a long time to load, or what specifically? We need some details to be able to assist you. We will have our VODs up on youtube in the near future. Thanks for the reply. I can watch the vods if i want, but i get 3 second lag spikes every 15-20 seconds It loads just fine, as in the load bar goes along ahead of the progress bar just like on youtube. What you mention (the auto-adjusting based on bandwidth) is almost certainly the problem.. Every time it "Auto" adjusts, i get a lag spike. If you could add in the option to manually choose a set quality like other vod players do, i likely wouldnt have this problem. I have actually watched a vod on IPL that wasnt choppy a few days ago, but most times they are choppy and so unwatchable. It's absolutely not an issue of me not letting the video load.. the vod loads perfectly fine, but i still get lag spikes for no good reason | ||
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n00b3rt
Bulgaria890 Posts
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Teras
Great Britain103 Posts
But Totalbiscuit.... :| terrancominginontheleftsidenowbutprotossnowpullingworkerswhowillwin It's sooo grating. | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On April 25 2011 10:33 Teras wrote: Really loved the HD + Painuser casts, they seem to have really good synergy. But Totalbiscuit.... :| terrancominginontheleftsidenowbutprotossnowpullingworkerswhowillwin It's sooo grating. AAAAHAHAAHAHAH I'm sorry TotalBiscuit but this is so true ^_^ I love TB to death but when things ramp up he sounds like a rushing waterfall of words | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Every now and then its really nice to watch a game of starcraft as pure entertainment. Not predicting fights before they happen or showing their knowledge. He just puts on a show, and he does it well. Keep doing what you do sir! + I <3 the IPL. Fantastic quality all around. | ||
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pluvos
39 Posts
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
On April 25 2011 12:41 pluvos wrote: IGNProLeague is simply amazing, together with tsl its a great standard to judge future leagues and tournaments with, production, casting, quality its all g000d I agree with this 100%. I am really enjoying watching these matches, even the boring games are made so much better because of how neat and well done everything is! | ||
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
When are you supposed to have time to play the actual game | ||
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ggrated
91 Posts
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 25 2011 12:59 ggrated wrote: Massive massive ups to the IGN Pro League. The post production quality and presentation are of the highest quality. The stream quality is also phenomenal. To round everything off the matches have been intense and captivating. We will definitely be covering the IPL on upcoming episodes of the GG Rated Liveshow. Thanks! Please PM me a link when you do! | ||
TheEmulator
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Kitkatzy
United States213 Posts
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aneruok
Canada122 Posts
but TB awesome. | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 25 2011 13:37 aneruok wrote: 2 casters are better than solo casting and they should put in the interviews into the stream. they have all those player interviews and should of done some thing for each day. im not sure why its only the games. makes it feel a lot like just replays and not a tourney. but TB awesome. We actually broadcast an interview every day! We've shown the TTOne, Sheth and Spades interviews so far on stream! | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 26 2011 08:42 Alex.IGN wrote: Our top goals right now are making sure our video player defaults to HD, our VODs are accessible on Youtube and making our VODs easier to navigate by identifying what round each VOD is from! Please continue giving us great feedback to make your user experience better! boo i hate players that default to hd :S Its just a bit to good for my internet so i always forget to switch to something lower til it freezes. And then i have to change quality and it shoots me back to the beginning of the replay. edit: anyone else currently getting a dns failure when going to the ipl site? | ||
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
On April 26 2011 08:42 Alex.IGN wrote: Our top goals right now are making sure our video player defaults to HD, our VODs are accessible on Youtube and making our VODs easier to navigate by identifying what round each VOD is from! Please continue giving us great feedback to make your user experience better! I'm glad you're putting games on youtube but please don't default to HD. Mobile users dont have an option to switch to SD in the youtube app, only in the browser version. | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
On April 26 2011 09:01 kNightLite wrote: I'm glad you're putting games on youtube but please don't default to HD. Mobile users dont have an option to switch to SD in the youtube app, only in the browser version. The youtube won't default to HD, just our VODs serviced through the video page at www.ign.com/ipl | ||
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Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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AgentSmith
Canada91 Posts
Everything else is gorgeous | ||
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