The reason WhiteRa didn't scout is because the build is specifically tailored to be optimal in probe production. His build allows him to continuously chronoboost AND put the gateway down on 13, without breaking probe production. You can't do this if you send a probe to scout after the pylon, as you miss out by 15 or so minerals, causing your probe production to halt for a few seconds (while the nexus is being chronoboosted as well). It's not a huge difference but in WhiteRa's mind, it was a 4 player map and MC hadn't cheesed before, it was perfectly acceptable for him to go for this slightly greedy build order.

Either way MC won, WhiteRa lost. Even though he didn't know it was altered to a 2 player map, life goes on.

Icx

Belgium853 Posts

April 15 2011 08:27 GMT

#262

That is why I just really want tournaments and blizzard to just agree on something have a unified mappool for most big tournaments and maybe ladder.

I mean we have the old shakuras, is there a version of it that enforces cross-spawns?
Then we have the new version with normal spawns, one with cross-spawns only, the MLG version, but then ESL has their own version of it, if I'm right tsl also has their own version of it (or they use the mlg one).

And that is only one map, it's the same thing with metal/etc and now in NASL a very old version of Tal'darim.

Ofcourse, in this case there isn't anyone to blaim except for White-ra, and he is a really smart guy so he most likely realizes that himself.

But if I were a pro I would be getting pretty annoyed at these 4-5 different version of every map, and constantly having to check what the version is for that tournament instead of just saying, oké we play on shakuras, and that 's it.

even in the weekly online cups it's getting a bit messy with all these different versions.

DarkRise

1644 Posts

April 15 2011 08:32 GMT

#263

You can't blame the fans and MC. Mc doing it for money and fans was mad for having a horrible ending (it was 2-2 and ended up with a cheese). Money is on the line, what do you expect?
Well i also think the fans just didn't expect him to do that because of his overbearing arrogance but its the way he plays.

sandyph

Indonesia1640 Posts

April 15 2011 08:55 GMT

#264

On April 15 2011 12:56 Kazzabiss wrote:
Why would Jinro need a visa to go to his home country?

he dont need to, and neither does MC and Huk since SK/CA can stay in Sweden up to 3 months without visa

that's why he said Huk just wasted $200, probably he got those 1 year stay Visa or something

PsychedeliaNOR

Norway44 Posts

April 15 2011 09:02 GMT

#265

I would cheese if I knew it was strong in that situation and I could get 100 000 SEK for it.
Even though i love Whitera's special tactics:D

Zarahtra

Iceland4053 Posts

April 15 2011 09:03 GMT

#266

Nothing wrong with cheesing, ever. The cheesee just needs to react better, not play so greedy or scout earlier. That being said, what annoyed me mostly about that game was that White-ra, like many other pro players, didn't know which map they were playing on and scouted a position that wasn't possible to spawn at.

Map makers/tournaments really need to fix this, make it quite clear in which positions players can actually spawn, since it's such a shit advantage, especially like in this case where MC knew it but Whitera didn't. Fx. it might be possible that White-ra believed it was a "3 position map"(norm Shakuras, where your opponent can spawn on either cross or same side) and making him not expect cheese, like one doesn't really on 4player maps.

Torumfroll

290 Posts

April 15 2011 09:05 GMT

#267

I respect MCs decision to play mind-games with Whitera in the final game. Whitera uses the same build in PvP all the time and MC decided to punish him for it. MC played to win. As a spectator and a fan I am obviously disappointed that the finals weren't as epic as I had wanted but you cant really blame either MC or Whitera for playing to win. 15000$ is a lot of money and if you know you can end the game with something like proxy gates when you know your opponent is preparing to be 4gated then why not take the chance.

Coolguy

68 Posts

April 15 2011 09:09 GMT

#268

LOL MC is awesome. The moment i saw he was gonna proxy i thought he was a huge baller. Clearly my favorite protoss at this game

Coolguy

68 Posts

April 15 2011 09:34 GMT

#269

Edit: sorry wrong thread, sorry for the double post

Bleak

Turkey3059 Posts

April 15 2011 09:35 GMT

#270

OMG MC is in Turkey with Jinro and HuK. Only if I knew before

((

KinosJourney2

Sweden1811 Posts

April 15 2011 09:37 GMT

#271

White-Ra played one dimensional and MC countered it, theres nothing wrong in it and people flaming MC are just butthurt. Glad that MC is taking it so lightly and even making a tweet about it

BlueberryNinja

Sweden38 Posts

April 15 2011 09:37 GMT

#272

Rofl nice foreign bronze leaguers hating on the pros as usual. Good MC has confidence enough to show that many foreign fans whine is ruining alot of otherwise good attitude.

Eeevil

Netherlands359 Posts

April 15 2011 09:39 GMT

#273

If I look at this thread I cannot help to think who the hell these people were that were BMing MC ?

He's probably more pissed off to be stuck on an airport in Turkey. As soon as he's back in Korea he'll realize he's got another win, more cash in his pocket and a totally hot gf.
Twitter is such a tool for drama.

NeonFox

2373 Posts

April 15 2011 09:42 GMT

#274

Finding flaws in your opponent's build and adapting your play in an efficient way to gain an advantage should not even be considered cheese.
It shows how smart of a player MC is, and this is coming from someone who admires WhiteRa.

MBH

Ireland796 Posts

April 15 2011 09:44 GMT

#275

I wonder what some of the preachers here would do, if they would play a game for 15.000 bucks...

Geo.Rion

7377 Posts

April 15 2011 09:45 GMT

#276

Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that.

dakalro

Romania525 Posts

April 15 2011 09:48 GMT

#277

On April 15 2011 17:23 Piski wrote:
I'm sure Whitera was pissed after that match but I don't think even he would want an "apology" from MC. You play to win and it was so close that whitera didnt scout them and instantly won right. It was bad luck for Whitera and good play from MC.

It's sad that MC even has to make these stupid comments. He won.

If WhiteRa is as pro as I think he is he was only pissed at himself, for failing such an easy rush. Late scouting, wrong scouting, no zealot, risky build repeated over and over, it was all on his play. If anything he should have expected this in games 4-5. You should ask him if you ever get the chance, I'm pretty sure that's what he'd answer you. He's been playing pro games for too long to actually react like a scrub when he's getting countered so well.

Maenander

Germany4923 Posts

April 15 2011 09:49 GMT

#278

On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that.

If you want to see fake competitions, go watch wrestling or something. I am tired of these comments, sc would really lose its appeal to me if players would prefer to please the crowd over winning.

Most extraordinary feats are so amazing because they are done in a competitive environment and not in show games.

karpo

Sweden1998 Posts

April 15 2011 09:49 GMT

#279

Yeah cause winning isn't the main goal for a professional. Any professional sports player knows it's all about appeasing to the whiny fans... I really don't understand how this is even a argument.

Deleted User 61629

1664 Posts

April 15 2011 09:50 GMT

#280

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