oGs.MC tweets about Dreamhack Finals (Spoiler) - Page 12

jacri

Korea (South)6 Posts

April 15 2011 05:46 GMT

#221

For all the MC haters questioning his professionalism, quick to defend their hero WhiteRa. Know this. MC, will compete in Korea, Sweden, NorthAmerica (NASL...ok I know he wont be there in person), or where ever else he is invited to. He is still in his teens and he already shown excellence in his play and his ability to overcome pressure (once suicide-toss). His response in twitter shows his true self that he does care what people think of him and that his "I will crush you" persona is all an act to hype the fans and antagonists alike. Maybe not responding at all in twitter might be acceptable to some, but he showed me that he does care about his fans and viewers of starcraft 2 in general. Not being available to scheduled games (NASL) and keeping your oppenent waiting for 4 hours after the event is quite un-professional.

Qaatar

1409 Posts

April 15 2011 05:47 GMT

#222

I must be missing something...is there some other measurement of skill in a RTS game other than mechanics and strategy?

MC's mechanics > Ra's (MC's only an above average mechanical player, but Ra is pretty average (below average in Korean standards), and I'm sure that Ra would be the first person to tell you that).

MC's tactical/strategic skill vs. Ra - the last game shows that MC out-smarted Ra, or at the very least, read Ra better.

So tell me, what other measurement of skill are people using, when they point out that Ra is a superior player? The ability to do mindgames? The ability to perform better under pressure? Or the ability to perform better randomly because this game is so volatile? Last question is a joke, but I think the point is clear.

BookII

Australia400 Posts

April 15 2011 05:50 GMT

#223

A win is a win.

He won countering White-Ra's play just as he said.
I can see why he did it, but as other people pointed out he certainly didn't need to respond. He has every right to play how he wants and employ the best strategy to win any tournament for any sum of money.

Fans of sc2 should respect his skill as he is a proven champion. It's not like it was unlikely that he was going to win...

karpo

Sweden1998 Posts

April 15 2011 05:51 GMT

#224

I was there and i wanted White-Ra to win. But the rush was perfectly planned and there's nothing to say but congratulations MC. People who dislike rushes so much that they prefer that gamers avoid using the best strategies available can go watch the harlem globetrotters. Playing to win is what i consider really pro, not avoiding stuff cause of the whiny parts of the community.

koolaid1990

831 Posts

April 15 2011 05:53 GMT

#225

As MC said in an interview, MC will try to NOT 4gate in maps where you can forcefield your ramp with 1 forcefield. He also claimed that in a map where you cant forcefield your ramp, 4gate is a NECESSITY. This is why he 4gates EVERY TIME on maps like Crevasse.

Xirroh

Canada146 Posts

April 15 2011 05:55 GMT

#226

2 gate proxy has been a standard Protoss opening for a decade. White-ra didn't scout that section of his base at all. Being a creative Protoss player himself, I'm sure he has seen this play before (pylon below cliff).

Early all in play (called cheese by some) has always been a part of starcraft and professional tournament play.

In case you havn't seen it. marine/scv all in by Boxer in the finals

EchoZ

Japan5041 Posts

April 15 2011 06:01 GMT

#227

On April 15 2011 14:55 Xirroh wrote:
2 gate proxy has been a standard Protoss opening for a decade. White-ra didn't scout that section of his base at all. Being a creative Protoss player himself, I'm sure he has seen this play before (pylon below cliff).

Early all in play (called cheese by some) has always been a part of starcraft and professional tournament play.

In case you havn't seen it. marine/scv all in by Boxer in the finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jen46qkZVNI

Boxer used to get alot of hate because he was really cheesy. (Game v yellow). Still, many people respect him.

Arkless

Canada1547 Posts

April 15 2011 06:03 GMT

#228

The hate is rediculous. How can u blame a man for taking advantage of an obvious situation? This is for money!!!! You don't play for a good showing, or to do some crazy shit. Or play every game a 45 macro game, you play to win no matter how!

Fu[G]u

United States187 Posts

April 15 2011 06:06 GMT

#229

There will always be trolls in this case especially because white-ra is involved and he has so many fanboys. But objectively I want to say to any of the MC haters that they should really learn to love the cheese. In this situation I thought it was awesome actually. 4 reasonably long (atleast for pvp) games, 4gates, coutners to 4gates, some amazing play. and in the last game, for 15,000$, MC has the balls and metagame sense to pull of that proxy. I mean did you see how close white-ra's scout probe was to seeing the pylon? perfect placement, perfect timing, perfect execution, and in the final game of the final match. I was watching, and while I sort of understand the sentiment of wanting a long epic game for the finals, it was a suspenseful albeit short game, and I actually found it very entertaining. Would you have been happier to see another 4gate for the final game? It was a perfect time to mix in a proxy to his otherwise outstanding standard pvp, and we should appreciate it for what it is. I guess what im saying, is that when the cheese is that good, EMBRACE THE CHEESE.

Thank you

gostunv

Japan1178 Posts

April 15 2011 06:10 GMT

#230

Somebody needs to educate MC about trolls on the internet.

Especially when they have blind racial bias. and by race i dont mean toss.

Tachion

Canada8573 Posts

April 15 2011 06:12 GMT

#231

When Jaedong 4pooled Flash twice in their finals, I remember him saying in an interview that he got a lot of hate from his (Korean)fans.

It's a bit of a different situation here though, considering that it's PvP, and MC only cheesed 1 out of 5 games. There's absolutely nothing here worth criticizing.

Stiver

Canada285 Posts

April 15 2011 06:12 GMT

#232

REALLY?

people were complaining because he did the proxy?

REALLY?

Do these people not play this game at all? I mean seriouslly sometimes I hear this stuff and it is just so incredibly silly. I was down on MC for his play style, but now that I hear people constantly qq at him, screw that I'm totally behind him. Dude deserves his wins really. He may not always win with his style, but now he is so people need to get off his back about it.

red4ce

United States7313 Posts

April 15 2011 06:26 GMT

#233

Word. You don't have to like MC. You don't have to like his playstyle. You don't have to like his personality. You don't have to think he's the best player in the world. You can think he's overrated. You can call him boring. But if you think he's just a lucky, skill-less cheeser then you simply don't understand the game. Rooting for white-ra and other foreigners is fine, but you can cheer for them without being bm.

NeoLearner

Belgium1847 Posts

April 15 2011 06:26 GMT

#234

Mad props and respect for MC.

Good tweet. He seems like a programmer genuinely concerned about his image with the foreign fan base. I also think he summarized it very well in just a few lines: "Do the same thing 5 times in a row, you're going to get countered".

I like his (sometimes comical) self-confidence. It shows he is always playing what he thinks is his best chance to win. If the (arguably) best player in the world says that BO has the biggest chance of taking it down, who are we to say he's wrong?

Respect MC, hope you can keep this level of play!

Roggay

Switzerland6320 Posts

April 15 2011 06:28 GMT

#235

I don't think MC should bother answering to all the trolls and haters out there, he really has nothing to explain. A win is a win and it is your job as a progamer to win.

Debonair

United States146 Posts

April 15 2011 06:29 GMT

#236

MC is so legit.

I hope he doesn't let shit like this get to him.

DisaFear

Australia4074 Posts

April 15 2011 06:35 GMT

#237

On April 15 2011 15:10 gostunv wrote:
Especially when they have blind racial bias. and by race i dont mean toss.

That is true
I didn't even watch the games, let alone know of scores
Reading all the info given, I think that what MC did was right, and all the haters haven't invested in their brains
Everything that needs to be said has been said in the thread, read it. Enough QQ

TheAntZ

Israel6248 Posts

April 15 2011 06:41 GMT

#238

People are actually arguing that white-ra should have won that? Even white-ra surely knows that he deserved to lose if MC 4gated. He didnt take the steps necessary to prevent it.

Suerte

United States117 Posts

April 15 2011 06:57 GMT

#239

I'm sad that MC felt the need to respond to people being idiots. MC played that last game very intelligently, WhiteRa's opening is so fragile to any sort of cheese why wouldn't he abuse that? Watching that series made me really enjoy MC as a player. He came back and played very intelligently from a deficit and that takes a lot of mental fortitude to keep yourself together and bring it all back from being on the break point of losing. Congrats to him, I wish people would stop raging so much, it brings us all down when we should be picking others up and supporting them.

Chilling5pr33

Germany518 Posts

April 15 2011 06:59 GMT

#240

Man cant believe hes listening to the trolls

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