EPTOn April 15 2011 10:27 Rekrul wrote:
bahahahah classic rekrul
oGs.MC tweets about Dreamhack Finals (Spoiler) - Page 13
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
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Swatch
Germany114 Posts
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Phyxx
Denmark681 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 15 2011 16:18 Zzoram wrote: MC with a hot new gf and $160,000 in less than a year, he must feel on top of the world. Yeah, I can't believe a hot gf has been mentioned and there isn't a higher demand for pics. This is very important. | ||
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LostBLuE
Canada188 Posts
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npkrol
Ukraine14 Posts
On April 15 2011 16:04 jyLee wrote: Why arent people flaming White-ra for making his scheduled opponent, who woke up at 4am, wait 4 hours and not a single word from him. Now I can understand if his opponent was someone like Idra, but this was July fuckin god who deserves the utmost respect from a garbage player like ra who hasnt accomplished anything meaningful ever in his entire career. Must be nice to have ignorant fanboys defend him like hes Jesus. Ra got owned fair and square by MC so get over it. When someone face rolls for 5 straight games doing the same thing over and over again you take advantage. Moderator? | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
On one hand for everyone that's fine with it, I can assume that it's annoying to have this topic come up so often but there will always be a hot debate. If it can help a lot of people change their perspective on the matter atleast to the point where we all understand eachother and there's not a lot to argue about that would be well worth the time. So to that end, with a hand on my heart I urge or even challenge every single person who feels like it wasn't fun to watch, or it was cheesy or any other negative way towards either of the competitors involved in the Dreamhack finals to take 5 minutes, yes only 5 minutes and read this: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html I'm also gonna take the liberty of qouting the perfect passage out of it. I'm aware many people already know this but it has only recently come to my attention and I'm gonna order the paperback because I feel attached and it's written in a good and funny manner. "A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which ones tries to win at all costs is "boring" or "not fun." Let's consider two groups of players: a group of good players and a group of scrubs. The scrubs will play "for fun" and not explore the extremities of the game. They won't find the most effective tactics and abuse them mercilessly. The good players will. The good players will find incredibly overpowering tactics and patterns. As they play the game more, they'll be forced to find counters to those tactics. The vast majority of tactics that at first appear unbeatable end up having counters, though they are often quite esoteric and difficult to discover. The counter tactic prevents the first player from doing the tactic, but the first player can then use a counter to the counter. The second player is now afraid to use his counter and he's again vulnerable to the original overpowering tactic. (See my article on Yomi layer 3 for much more on that.) Notice that the good players are reaching higher and higher levels of play. They found the "cheap stuff" and abused it. They know how to stop the cheap stuff. They know how to stop the other guy from stopping it so they can keep doing it. And as is quite common in competitive games, many new tactics will later be discovered that make the original cheap tactic look wholesome and fair. Often in fighting games, one character will have something so good it's unfair. Fine, let him have that. As time goes on, it will be discovered that other characters have even more powerful and unfair tactics. Each player will attempt to steer the game in the direction of his own advantages, much how grandmaster chess players attempt to steer opponents into situations in which their opponents are weak. Let's return to the group of scrubs. They don't know the first thing about all the depth I've been talking about. Their argument is basically that ignorantly mashing buttons with little regard to actual strategy is more "fun." Superficially, their argument does at least look true, since often their games will be more "wet and wild" than games between the experts, which are usually more controlled and refined. But any close examination will reveal that the experts are having a great deal of fun on a higher level than the scrub can even imagine. Throwing together some circus act of a win isn't nearly as satisfying as reading your opponent's mind to such a degree that you can counter his ever move, even his every counter." | ||
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
but gg MC anyway | ||
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Tyree
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I dont see athletes having to explain themselves to fans: Derrick Rose: Look i am sorry but i just had to get 30 points in that game and 7 assists, i am just doing my job, get off my grill! | ||
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chokke
Norway228 Posts
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
I'm platinum and I scan for Proxy Pylons before this mark myself, I have time before I build my Barracks of about 7-9 seconds I'd have seen it, as a Toss, I spread my pylons around, I'd have seen it. I pride myself at being good vs Cheese because I do scout it. MC, and White-Ra are pretty awesome about this and remember MC even said to all the people in Sweden that he wishes Korean fans would be more like them. Also, it's PvP expect short games, just like ZvZ. These two have the shortest mirrors often. Don't hate don't complain. | ||
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crystyxn
Romania254 Posts
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TanX
Denmark92 Posts
On April 15 2011 17:11 chokke wrote: White-ra shoud take som self critisim aswell for not scouting. It cost so little to make sure no funky buisniss is going on. This, if White-Ra had scouted after the pylon he would have seen MC's early probe go up his ramp, countering the cheese. I really felt bad for him in that moment, and I didn't understand why he wouldn't scout at that time, as far as I remember he had mixed it up throughout all the games no? Also, what's up with the players not knowing that you can only scout on cross positions? Everyone failed at this, except MC in the last game. Did no one announce this to them or what the hell happened? Really sad for the outcome, the final game was really anti-climactic for some of the viewers. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
It's sad that MC even has to make these stupid comments. He won. | ||
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
MC quite obviously looked at a weakness in WhiteRa's build, and picked something that, although relying on WhiteRa not preparing, was quite clearly well-thought out with very little luck involved. I swear, I hope that after another year most of this cheese and imbalance talk has worked its way out of the community. It's incredibly frustrating for top players to be told that they're winning only due to unfair strategies or races (or so I assume). | ||
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