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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 15 2011 07:00 GMT
#241
On April 15 2011 10:27 Rekrul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 10:23 Rekrul wrote:
I drank with MC a few days before he went to DH and I must say, his new GF is really fkin hot.

Considering that fact plus the fact that he wins a tournament every other week now, I don't think he really cares how people judge his playstyle.

bahahahah classic rekrul
Hi.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
April 15 2011 07:01 GMT
#242
I feel so bad for OGSMC :/ i hope he didnt alter his playstyle just to cater to the trolls.Just keep owning and he'll be fine.
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
April 15 2011 07:03 GMT
#243
I don't blame MC at all, even though I was rooting for White Ra.
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
April 15 2011 07:04 GMT
#244
Why arent people flaming White-ra for making his scheduled opponent, who woke up at 4am, wait 4 hours and not a single word from him. Now I can understand if his opponent was someone like Idra, but this was July fuckin god who deserves the utmost respect from a garbage player like ra who hasnt accomplished anything meaningful ever in his entire career. Must be nice to have ignorant fanboys defend him like hes Jesus. Ra got owned fair and square by MC so get over it. When someone face rolls for 5 straight games doing the same thing over and over again you take advantage.

User was temp banned for this post.
Swatch
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany114 Posts
April 15 2011 07:12 GMT
#245
Insulting ra is not a valid argument. Seems to be the definition of an ignorant fanboy.
Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
April 15 2011 07:14 GMT
#246
Nothing wrong with cheesing once in a while, especially not when you do it to punish a specific opening. WP MC.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
April 15 2011 07:18 GMT
#247
MC with a hot new gf and $160,000 in less than a year, he must feel on top of the world.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 15 2011 07:22 GMT
#248
On April 15 2011 16:18 Zzoram wrote:
MC with a hot new gf and $160,000 in less than a year, he must feel on top of the world.


Yeah, I can't believe a hot gf has been mentioned and there isn't a higher demand for pics. This is very important.
LostBLuE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada188 Posts
April 15 2011 07:22 GMT
#249
You got to do whatever it takes to win if I could cannon rush every single game and crush tournaments for thousands and thousands of dollars I'd do that shit every time. That being said MC is one of the best players in the world right now and it was a great tournament with great games so I don't feel robbed at all because he won a game with a proxy gate.It was still super exciting to watch any way though i know it was a tough loss for White-ra and I was rooting for him. But at the end of the day I wanna see the best play there best and play to win and thats what it came down to and if that turns out to be an epic 50 minute slug fest all the better.
TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor "
npkrol
Profile Joined March 2011
Ukraine14 Posts
April 15 2011 07:49 GMT
#250
On April 15 2011 16:04 jyLee wrote:
Why arent people flaming White-ra for making his scheduled opponent, who woke up at 4am, wait 4 hours and not a single word from him. Now I can understand if his opponent was someone like Idra, but this was July fuckin god who deserves the utmost respect from a garbage player like ra who hasnt accomplished anything meaningful ever in his entire career. Must be nice to have ignorant fanboys defend him like hes Jesus. Ra got owned fair and square by MC so get over it. When someone face rolls for 5 straight games doing the same thing over and over again you take advantage.


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legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
April 15 2011 08:03 GMT
#251
Nice to hear he doesn't pull a Rain. (Rain did a ton of 1 basing in GSL 3 and apologized for making it to the finals that way). He just stands his ground and says it straight up. Really strong of him.

On one hand for everyone that's fine with it, I can assume that it's annoying to have this topic come up so often but there will always be a hot debate. If it can help a lot of people change their perspective on the matter atleast to the point where we all understand eachother and there's not a lot to argue about that would be well worth the time.

So to that end, with a hand on my heart I urge or even challenge every single person who feels like it wasn't fun to watch, or it was cheesy or any other negative way towards either of the competitors involved in the Dreamhack finals to take 5 minutes, yes only 5 minutes and read this:

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

I'm also gonna take the liberty of qouting the perfect passage out of it. I'm aware many people already know this but it has only recently come to my attention and I'm gonna order the paperback because I feel attached and it's written in a good and funny manner.



"A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which ones tries to win at all costs is "boring" or "not fun." Let's consider two groups of players: a group of good players and a group of scrubs. The scrubs will play "for fun" and not explore the extremities of the game. They won't find the most effective tactics and abuse them mercilessly. The good players will. The good players will find incredibly overpowering tactics and patterns. As they play the game more, they'll be forced to find counters to those tactics. The vast majority of tactics that at first appear unbeatable end up having counters, though they are often quite esoteric and difficult to discover. The counter tactic prevents the first player from doing the tactic, but the first player can then use a counter to the counter. The second player is now afraid to use his counter and he's again vulnerable to the original overpowering tactic. (See my article on Yomi layer 3 for much more on that.)

Notice that the good players are reaching higher and higher levels of play. They found the "cheap stuff" and abused it. They know how to stop the cheap stuff. They know how to stop the other guy from stopping it so they can keep doing it. And as is quite common in competitive games, many new tactics will later be discovered that make the original cheap tactic look wholesome and fair. Often in fighting games, one character will have something so good it's unfair. Fine, let him have that. As time goes on, it will be discovered that other characters have even more powerful and unfair tactics. Each player will attempt to steer the game in the direction of his own advantages, much how grandmaster chess players attempt to steer opponents into situations in which their opponents are weak.

Let's return to the group of scrubs. They don't know the first thing about all the depth I've been talking about. Their argument is basically that ignorantly mashing buttons with little regard to actual strategy is more "fun." Superficially, their argument does at least look true, since often their games will be more "wet and wild" than games between the experts, which are usually more controlled and refined. But any close examination will reveal that the experts are having a great deal of fun on a higher level than the scrub can even imagine. Throwing together some circus act of a win isn't nearly as satisfying as reading your opponent's mind to such a degree that you can counter his ever move, even his every counter."

cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
April 15 2011 08:04 GMT
#252
What's really sad about white-ra's loss the 5th map is that he didn't seem to know that it was the fixed shakuras with only cross positions .. he went to scout close positions, had he know it was only spawning cross he would probably scout inside his base and the game would've gone completely differently t_t

but gg MC anyway
Twitter : http://twitter.com/CARNDARAK
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
April 15 2011 08:07 GMT
#253
The only thing sad is that a player has to explain why he played the way he did

I dont see athletes having to explain themselves to fans:

Derrick Rose: Look i am sorry but i just had to get 30 points in that game and 7 assists, i am just doing my job, get off my grill!
★ Top Gun ★
chokke
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway228 Posts
April 15 2011 08:11 GMT
#254
White-ra shoud take som self critisim aswell for not scouting. It cost so little to make sure no funky buisniss is going on.
GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
April 15 2011 08:12 GMT
#255
You guys forget something, White-Ra wouldn't like people flaming MC for this either. If White-Ra knew that MC was going 13 gate and cheesed, then MC fans might've been mad. This is just a simple thing, White-Ra did some risky builds and lost to them. He didn't scout properly and BARELY missed the pylon.

I'm platinum and I scan for Proxy Pylons before this mark myself, I have time before I build my Barracks of about 7-9 seconds I'd have seen it, as a Toss, I spread my pylons around, I'd have seen it.

I pride myself at being good vs Cheese because I do scout it. MC, and White-Ra are pretty awesome about this and remember MC even said to all the people in Sweden that he wishes Korean fans would be more like them.

Also, it's PvP expect short games, just like ZvZ. These two have the shortest mirrors often. Don't hate don't complain.
He who conquers the past rules the future, He who conquers the future rules the past. - C&C Red Alert
crystyxn
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania254 Posts
April 15 2011 08:14 GMT
#256
MC is a sick baller nerd, that's it
"You should be the one putting pressure on your opponent, not the other way around." - Artosis
TanX
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark92 Posts
April 15 2011 08:17 GMT
#257
On April 15 2011 17:11 chokke wrote:
White-ra shoud take som self critisim aswell for not scouting. It cost so little to make sure no funky buisniss is going on.


This, if White-Ra had scouted after the pylon he would have seen MC's early probe go up his ramp, countering the cheese. I really felt bad for him in that moment, and I didn't understand why he wouldn't scout at that time, as far as I remember he had mixed it up throughout all the games no?

Also, what's up with the players not knowing that you can only scout on cross positions? Everyone failed at this, except MC in the last game. Did no one announce this to them or what the hell happened?

Really sad for the outcome, the final game was really anti-climactic for some of the viewers.
'but this is not supposed to be the old starcraft'
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
April 15 2011 08:22 GMT
#258
Geez progamers should learn netizens to shut it up when they receive meaningless criticism.

In the woods, there lurks..
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 15 2011 08:23 GMT
#259
I'm sure Whitera was pissed after that match but I don't think even he would want an "apology" from MC. You play to win and it was so close that whitera didnt scout them and instantly won right. It was bad luck for Whitera and good play from MC.

It's sad that MC even has to make these stupid comments. He won.
Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
April 15 2011 08:24 GMT
#260
I'm saddened that people were upset enough to force this response from MC. Honestly, MC picked a strategy that's good in a certain situation. Was it cheese? I'd say no, ironically. Cheese implies a build that relies on luck and the under preparedness of your opponent.

MC quite obviously looked at a weakness in WhiteRa's build, and picked something that, although relying on WhiteRa not preparing, was quite clearly well-thought out with very little luck involved.

I swear, I hope that after another year most of this cheese and imbalance talk has worked its way out of the community. It's incredibly frustrating for top players to be told that they're winning only due to unfair strategies or races (or so I assume).
I first realized Immortals were reincarnated Dragoons when I saw them dancing helplessly behind my Stalkers.
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