• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:56
CET 06:56
KST 14:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down20ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier6Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League92
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Evil Geniuses - shutting down REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development
Tourneys
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
SC4ALL II Brood War Complete Invited Player Lineup [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs BA 2026-10-30 [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine R I P Patrick Stewart European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8450 users

oGs.MC tweets about Dreamhack Finals (Spoiler) - Page 10

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 26 Next All
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 04:19:35
April 15 2011 04:19 GMT
#181
The type of people that were talking about how much less they respected MC for proxy 2 gating White-Ra are probably not going to be watching Starcraft one year from now. They do not appreciate the strategy or the competition, they just want to see a lot of shiny units blowing each other up in high graphics settings. They will move on to the next big thing when it comes.

There is a reason you don't see this in BW LR threads (except from fanboys when it happens to Bisu or Flash) and it is also the reason that game is watched much less. Only the people who are truly interested in the game are left. I think this will be the case with SC2 in the long run too.
Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
April 15 2011 04:19 GMT
#182
at the end of the day

play anyway to win the game. people who complain about cheeses/OP are newbies and immature.

repeated this 1000x.

get with it.
TheloniousMonk
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia41 Posts
April 15 2011 04:20 GMT
#183
On April 15 2011 10:16 bibbaly wrote:
A win is a win no matter how dirty it seems to be. With money on the line, especially that much money, you have to exploit every weakness your opponent has.

A win might be a win, it does not always speak of skill. However, MC is a professional player. We know he is highly skilled. The uproar at this circumstance of cheesing is absolutely ridiculous.
shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 04:28:37
April 15 2011 04:23 GMT
#184
On April 15 2011 10:14 UberThing wrote:
Jinro was cheated?



no, person who translated did not do a great job. poor choice to use in translation. jinro got 'scammed' is more of correct word of choice in that translation.


on separate note, i do respect MC's choice and it was a right choice. But am I his fan? No. I am fan of players who bring out most entertaining games.

Such as, San, Sen, July, Kyrix, Leenock, MMA, Bomber

and Idra. not for his games but his QQ.
Strausticles
Profile Joined April 2011
United States113 Posts
April 15 2011 04:23 GMT
#185
I think to cheese in the ace game of a best of 5 is incredibly gutsy and as MC had said, WhiteRa skipped making an initial zealot which would have been crucial for him to stand any chance against MC in the final game.

I know a lot of people wanted a big, long macro game in Set 5 and while that would've been really cool I was on the edge of my seat because of how all-in MC was going. He was definitely going for broke and I think it made for a really spectacular end to a great series. Hope to see more MC v WhiteRa, they definitely show some of the best protoss games overall.
"Don't forget one of the best counters in Starcraft, is to just go kill your opponent!" - Day[9]
parabellum
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4 Posts
April 15 2011 04:27 GMT
#186
"Kratos Protoss" for a reason, kid is a genius at in game decision making... enough said
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
April 15 2011 04:31 GMT
#187
Should we not respect MC more for 2gate proxying in that match? As we've plainly established, this was no random strat pulled out of thin air to snag a quick win. This was a calculated decision to punish White-Ra for using the same opening build for the entire match up. How many of us would have actually even catch him doing that for 4 games straight and actively decide to use this information to blow him out of the water in the 5th match? Amazing game sense was at play here. Skill tipped the balance in MC's favor, not luck.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Arcanewinds
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom197 Posts
April 15 2011 04:32 GMT
#188
[image loading]
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
April 15 2011 04:34 GMT
#189
On April 15 2011 13:04 LynxSeba wrote:
I think at the end is like this, mc won the tournament but if you ask me who was the better player overall the tournament White Ra takes that price.

Strongly disagree. The first two games it felt like MC was just playing some odd styles for showmanship sake when he could've easily 4-gated and won every set.

MC even said himself in an interview that 4-gate is mandatory on a map like Tal'Darim Altar with wide entrance, yet he tried to make a sentry play work just because he felt like it. Second game, same idea he could've easily pressured a lot harder on White-Ra's base since he saw the expo go up, but he wanted to show off some fancy blink play and very nearly pulled it off.
hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
April 15 2011 04:36 GMT
#190
On April 15 2011 13:32 Arcanewinds wrote:
[image loading]



nicely done haha
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
April 15 2011 04:37 GMT
#191
Bosstoss speaking like a boss.
Washow
Profile Joined March 2010
Korea (South)119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 04:38:25
April 15 2011 04:37 GMT
#192
누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고

난 프로니까 이기는 게임을 한것뿐 그리고 지금은 비행기가 늦어져서 터키에서 헉과 진로와 기다리는중.. ㅜㅜ 빨리 한국 가고싶어

재밌는 사실은 나랑 진로는 터키에 비자없이 들어왔는데 헉은 비자를 만들었다 쌩돈 20만원가량을 날린셈 ㅋㅋ 진로는 스웨덴에서 사기도 당하고 오늘 일진참 사나웠다

Okay the translation in the OP is really sloppy so I'll just redo it.

"I hope someone translates this and show it to foreigners who are talking shit about me. white-ra did the same build 5 times in a row and I just counted the build. You can't call that a cheese. He never made a zealot so that's why I proxy gated him. It was a $15000 game and that's how confident I was.

I'm a pro so I just played the winning game. Right now the flight was delayed so Huk Jinro and I are stuck in Turkey ㅠㅠ. I wanna go home

Fun fact. We came in without a visa but Huk decided to make one and wasted 200 bucks lol. Jinro even got scammed in sweden and today was just a shitty day."
aurum510
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
April 15 2011 04:38 GMT
#193
Kind of unprofessional by MC honestly. Do you see a coach apologizing for calling a hail-mary play in football on the last play of the game? No.

Do I feel his last 3 games vs white-ra were pathetic allins? Yes. Do I think he should tweet about it to the world? No, because he's just feeding the trolls. Whatever happens happens. Did I lose tons of respect for MC for 4 gating 2 of the last 3 games when cutting probes at 20 and proxy 2-gating the last game? Sure, but seeing him respond to vocal people just makes me even lose more respect for him.
ihavetofartosis
Profile Joined January 2011
1277 Posts
April 15 2011 04:39 GMT
#194
All in all, it comes down to

[image loading]

MC showed that he deserved the win, haters gonna hate
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
April 15 2011 04:42 GMT
#195
On April 15 2011 13:37 Washow wrote:
Okay the translation in the OP is really sloppy so I'll just redo it.

"I hope someone translates this and show it to foreigners who are talking shit about me. white-ra did the same build 5 times in a row and I just counted the build. You can't call that a cheese. He never made a zealot so that's why I proxy gated him. It was a $15000 game and that's how confident I was.

I'm a pro so I just played the winning game. Right now the flight was delayed so Huk Jinro and I are stuck in Turkey ㅠㅠ. I wanna go home

Fun fact. We came in without a visa but Huk decided to make one and wasted 200 bucks lol. Jinro even got scammed in sweden and today was just a shitty day."


This translation was much better, not that great at korean but hey I can tell by reading it


And how excactly was Jinro Scammed? Did he buy shares in a dodgy company?
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 04:44:45
April 15 2011 04:42 GMT
#196
On April 15 2011 13:38 aurum510 wrote:
Kind of unprofessional by MC honestly. Do you see a coach apologizing for calling a hail-mary play in football on the last play of the game? No.

Do I feel his last 3 games vs white-ra were pathetic allins? Yes. Do I think he should tweet about it to the world? No, because he's just feeding the trolls. Whatever happens happens. Did I lose tons of respect for MC for 4 gating 2 of the last 3 games when cutting probes at 20 and proxy 2-gating the last game? Sure, but seeing him respond to vocal people just makes me even lose more respect for him.


this isn't the 1960's. twitter/facebook/social media completely changes the interaction between professionals and their fans. you DO see tons of NFL pros clarifying situations that the media decides to make a story. you didn't see this 50 years ago, no, but its a different era. welcome to the internet.


edit: and what the hell is the point in making an analogy between a SC2 progamer and a football coach? why not make a more relevant comparison, say a BW progamer? and BW progamers often apologize and explain their plays to their cafes and blogs when netizens QQ.
KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
April 15 2011 04:42 GMT
#197
i didn't know he won lol. was a strong favorite though so good for him. i respect his proxy w/e as much as i hate them on ladder. pvp blows!
Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
April 15 2011 04:46 GMT
#198
I just can't help but find everything mc says and write sound egocentric. Maybe its the translations but he just seem so full of himself. No I don't think it was wrong of him to proxy, nor do I think that so many people were "talking shit about him". There will always be people who criticize and usually they are far fewer than the ones who don't. It takes someone like mc to get upset about a few insignificant people who did not like a proxy gate though.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
April 15 2011 04:49 GMT
#199
On April 15 2011 13:46 VanGarde wrote:
I just can't help but find everything mc says and write sound egocentric. Maybe its the translations but he just seem so full of himself. No I don't think it was wrong of him to proxy, nor do I think that so many people were "talking shit about him". There will always be people who criticize and usually they are far fewer than the ones who don't. It takes someone like mc to get upset about a few insignificant people who did not like a proxy gate though.

It's called confidence. If he was all unsure of himself, he'll receive more criticism.
strava.com/athletes/zhaodynasty
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
April 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#200
On April 15 2011 13:46 VanGarde wrote:
I just can't help but find everything mc says and write sound egocentric. Maybe its the translations but he just seem so full of himself. No I don't think it was wrong of him to proxy, nor do I think that so many people were "talking shit about him". There will always be people who criticize and usually they are far fewer than the ones who don't. It takes someone like mc to get upset about a few insignificant people who did not like a proxy gate though.


the entire reason boxer and mc wanted to do dreamhack was to spread esports to foreign fans. of course he's going to care about what americans and europeans think of him after he beats white-ra in the finals.
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 26 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ViBE131
SortOf 100
Nina 45
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 6752
GuemChi 1624
ProTech151
Dewaltoss 121
ZergMaN 41
Sharp 14
HiyA 12
Noble 10
Icarus 8
Force[name] 3
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm171
League of Legends
Doublelift3318
JimRising 636
Other Games
summit1g10024
Coldzera 649
WinterStarcraft471
Sick99
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2122
League of Legends
• Stunt406
Other Games
• Shiphtur552
Upcoming Events
GSL
6h 4m
Epic.LAN
7h 4m
Big Brain Bouts
11h 4m
OSC
16h 4m
Replay Cast
17h 4m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
Epic.LAN
1d 7h
IPSL
1d 10h
eOnzErG vs McRibbed
LancerX vs StRyKeR
AI Arena Tournament
1d 12h
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Yamato Cup
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Artosis vs RiceHat
Kyrie vs Sony
Map Test Tournament
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Ultimate Battle
3 days
Rush vs BeSt
Replay Cast
3 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-28
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.