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Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 19:39:18
May 08 2011 11:01 GMT
#121
Also, take a look at this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220667

It has a poll to see if I should add a section for SotG and the Day[9] Daily. Please leave feedback on why not if you think we shouldn't.


With an overwhelming YES vote (90%), I'll be adding this. I have the structure and 20 some dailies in right now, but it looks like crap, so I'm taking some time to make sure people don't barf after viewing the page.
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
May 08 2011 23:13 GMT
#122
Update
I've added in the first round of match detail information. When you see a match somewhere, you can now expand it to see more information. Right now the detail information is limited to Season, Date, Tournament Section, Division/Round, and Group when applicable.

In this area is where I'll be adding other parameters on which to rate matches.

Also, tell others about this site! If we can get more people using this, we'll have more accurate ratings, ratings for more matches, and hopefully if it gets big enough, I can get some people to help me on it so we can get new match information up sooner!
mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
May 08 2011 23:18 GMT
#123
Wow I love this idea. I can't wait till the project is finished. Definitely gonna sign up in the near future. I never have enough time to watch games or i simply forget that there were games going on.
DerekJCEX
Profile Joined June 2009
United States64 Posts
May 08 2011 23:40 GMT
#124
This is awesome. The site has a very clean layout. Well done!
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
May 08 2011 23:44 GMT
#125
If possible make it so people can put their reviews of the games so you can get a quick recap. (Ofcourse add a "possible spoilers" warning to the function)
Good initiative.

My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
dvide
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 00:24:45
May 09 2011 00:18 GMT
#126
Nice site, but what I'd really like is to be able to see a list of the most recent matches from all of the tournaments (or filter down to the most recent matches from one tournament). So each day I would be able to just look at the list of the most recent matches and go off the ratings to decide which ones to watch. Right now, especially with NASL, it's difficult to find the matches that were played last night because you have to know the correct division and then find the games by scrolling down. It's too cumbersome. Defaults matter.

So it's a nice site and a great idea, because the sheer amount of matches and tournaments being played means that I just can't possibly watch everything. It's a great problem to have, but I'd find it really useful to be able to see what the best games were from each night. But right now I honestly find it too difficult to find yesterday's games. It should be right there as the default when you go to the site imo.

Also I think the fact that this is so cumbersome right now also means that less games are being rated too, making the site less accurate overall for everybody. Who watches a cool game and then wants to go through the trial and error process of finding the correct division in order to rate it? It should be right there, available to rate straight away when you visit the site. So when I watch a cool game like NesTea vs sC I can just go to the site and click on 5.

I'm not saying you should replace the views you already have. They're still useful, but they're more suited towards historical records. We just need more views and an appropriate default view, which I think should be a list of the most recent games (even possibly sub-sorted by the rating too now that I think of it). Imagine being able to look at a list of the highest rated games from yesterday spanning across all tournaments; that would be super useful I think!
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
May 09 2011 02:53 GMT
#127
Update
Added last 20 matches played to home page. **
Found a visual designer to work with me on this, so sometime in the next month or two (hopefully much soooner) you can expect a huge visual overhaul.

** It's been in the works for a while, but I pounded it out today for you dvide. <3 Still needs some visual work though.

LotsofLuck
Profile Joined May 2011
United States62 Posts
May 09 2011 08:34 GMT
#128
On May 09 2011 11:53 Koibu0 wrote:
Update
Added last 20 matches played to home page. **
Found a visual designer to work with me on this, so sometime in the next month or two (hopefully much soooner) you can expect a huge visual overhaul.

** It's been in the works for a while, but I pounded it out today for you dvide. <3 Still needs some visual work though.


Great, looking forward, thanks for all your hard work! Hopefully you can make it more automated so you don't have to do all the work, but I really appreciate what you have done so far!
dvide
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom287 Posts
May 09 2011 13:24 GMT
#129
On May 09 2011 11:53 Koibu0 wrote:
Update
Added last 20 matches played to home page. **
Found a visual designer to work with me on this, so sometime in the next month or two (hopefully much soooner) you can expect a huge visual overhaul.

** It's been in the works for a while, but I pounded it out today for you dvide. <3 Still needs some visual work though.


Hey thanks man looks cool though the up & down matches aren't yet there listed. Is it automated? Still that was something like what I was thinking. Hope I didn't sound condescending. I just wanted to be as convincing as possible that it would be a good feature <3
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
May 09 2011 15:38 GMT
#130
On May 09 2011 22:24 dvide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 11:53 Koibu0 wrote:
Update
Added last 20 matches played to home page. **
Found a visual designer to work with me on this, so sometime in the next month or two (hopefully much soooner) you can expect a huge visual overhaul.

** It's been in the works for a while, but I pounded it out today for you dvide. <3 Still needs some visual work though.


Hey thanks man looks cool though the up & down matches aren't yet there listed. Is it automated? Still that was something like what I was thinking. Hope I didn't sound condescending. I just wanted to be as convincing as possible that it would be a good feature <3


Things will show up automatically in the last 20 list. The only issue we might have is the logic says, "Show 20 games, ordered by most recent, with a date that is less than today". So, when an up and down match is played, its on the 15th (lets say). But that really means it airs on the 14th for us, but wont show up until the 16th... if that made any sense.

They'll be there.
dvide
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom287 Posts
May 09 2011 16:59 GMT
#131
On May 10 2011 00:38 Koibu0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:24 dvide wrote:
On May 09 2011 11:53 Koibu0 wrote:
Update
Added last 20 matches played to home page. **
Found a visual designer to work with me on this, so sometime in the next month or two (hopefully much soooner) you can expect a huge visual overhaul.

** It's been in the works for a while, but I pounded it out today for you dvide. <3 Still needs some visual work though.


Hey thanks man looks cool though the up & down matches aren't yet there listed. Is it automated? Still that was something like what I was thinking. Hope I didn't sound condescending. I just wanted to be as convincing as possible that it would be a good feature <3


Things will show up automatically in the last 20 list. The only issue we might have is the logic says, "Show 20 games, ordered by most recent, with a date that is less than today". So, when an up and down match is played, its on the 15th (lets say). But that really means it airs on the 14th for us, but wont show up until the 16th... if that made any sense.

They'll be there.

Oh right I see. Maybe in that case it would be wise to store the times of the games too, rather than just the date. So then you could order by 'less than now' rather than 'less than today', with an appropriate time zone conversion going on. The only issue with that I'm thinking is that people could start rating the games at the moment they start rather than after they've ended. So if the GSL has 4 matches in one day, then at the scheduled time of the broadcast people could start rating the very last match of the day which obviously wouldn't have even started yet, let alone ended.

So perhaps if the games were automatically listed but offset by a few hours to stop that sort of abuse, but also with a way for an admin account (i.e. you) to manually flag each game as being finished if you're around at the time. And then maybe you can find other trusted people to help you out with that task too, so that more often than not the games will be listed very soon after they're finished (and the worst case scenario would only be a few hours delay).

And to make this job easier for the admins, they would have a different default view from normal accounts which would list all the games, including those ones that have started (i.e. date & time is less than now) but are not yet flagged as finished (i.e. it's still before the automatic time offset). And each of these unfinished games would have a simple button for admins that they just have to click in order to flag the game as being over. So then all the admins would need to do is to visit the website and click 'finished' if they're watching live, and spectators who are watching live can also just visit the page and click their rating. These same admins could also help you out with adding new match-ups and new tournaments to the schedule.

Forgive me, I'm just thinking out loud. I don't know if you already have other admins helping you
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
May 09 2011 18:00 GMT
#132
hahaha, no it's just me. And it's way too much work to find the time that games end (and go back to do the same for all previous games). It means I'd have to be there watching the live stream, and the whole point of this site is that I don't have time to watch every live stream.

Before today will have to be good enough for now. If you really want to see today's matches, it's not too terribly hard to find them.
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
May 10 2011 19:00 GMT
#133
Update
Added State of the game.
Added Weapon of Choice
Added Day[9] Dailies

I wont be adding all the episodes back the beginning for all these shows. I may add older dailies, but only new SotG and WoC from where we are now.

pingy[wen]
Profile Joined June 2010
United States157 Posts
May 10 2011 23:54 GMT
#134
you could probably just update the original post with your updates.
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
May 11 2011 03:11 GMT
#135
If you looked at my first post, you'll see that I regularly update it with all the information. I also make a note of it here at the end though so people know what changed in each update.
LotsofLuck
Profile Joined May 2011
United States62 Posts
May 11 2011 10:49 GMT
#136
The buttons on the left side of the screen, with "Add Show, Add Player, Add Match", is this to cut down on the number of submissions you have to do manually? How is that going to work, exactly?
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
May 11 2011 10:51 GMT
#137
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Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 16:29:29
May 11 2011 16:20 GMT
#138
On May 11 2011 19:49 LotsofLuck wrote:
The buttons on the left side of the screen, with "Add Show, Add Player, Add Match", is this to cut down on the number of submissions you have to do manually? How is that going to work, exactly?



You should not be seeing that.... wtf? That's supposed to be for admin's only.

[edit] Fixed. It would be bad if people started adding random stuff. I mean, no serious harm, but it'd create a lot of clean up for me.

Thanks for bringing that up.
LotsofLuck
Profile Joined May 2011
United States62 Posts
May 11 2011 17:56 GMT
#139
On May 12 2011 01:20 Koibu0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 19:49 LotsofLuck wrote:
The buttons on the left side of the screen, with "Add Show, Add Player, Add Match", is this to cut down on the number of submissions you have to do manually? How is that going to work, exactly?



You should not be seeing that.... wtf? That's supposed to be for admin's only.

[edit] Fixed. It would be bad if people started adding random stuff. I mean, no serious harm, but it'd create a lot of clean up for me.

Thanks for bringing that up.

Sure no problem. I was up pretty late last night so I wasn't sure if I was dreaming it.

Although it does bring up a interesting idea. Until you get the system running more automated, it is possible that you can have other people helping you write up the lists for the players/games/matches? It does seem like a lot of work to do correctly the first time...but it's probably best if you're the one setting up the official lists.

I don't know if there's an intermediate solution until you get things fully automated. For example, I'd be crazy enough to go through the past Day[9] daily s and writing up the descriptions....
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
May 11 2011 18:22 GMT
#140
On May 12 2011 02:56 LotsofLuck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 01:20 Koibu0 wrote:
On May 11 2011 19:49 LotsofLuck wrote:
The buttons on the left side of the screen, with "Add Show, Add Player, Add Match", is this to cut down on the number of submissions you have to do manually? How is that going to work, exactly?



You should not be seeing that.... wtf? That's supposed to be for admin's only.

[edit] Fixed. It would be bad if people started adding random stuff. I mean, no serious harm, but it'd create a lot of clean up for me.

Thanks for bringing that up.

Sure no problem. I was up pretty late last night so I wasn't sure if I was dreaming it.

Although it does bring up a interesting idea. Until you get the system running more automated, it is possible that you can have other people helping you write up the lists for the players/games/matches? It does seem like a lot of work to do correctly the first time...but it's probably best if you're the one setting up the official lists.

I don't know if there's an intermediate solution until you get things fully automated. For example, I'd be crazy enough to go through the past Day[9] daily s and writing up the descriptions....

I'm quite excited for the day when I have other people to help me out on this, but right now I keep changing so much of the back end that it doesn't make sense yet to add on another person. Once things stabilize in a few months, then I might be ready to get some trusted people to help me out.

Right now, my biggest priorities are:
Visual redesign
User preferences
User generated match info

1) I've been talking with about a dozen different designers, and will be getting the first round of sample work from them on friday (those that I didn't scare off).

2) For user preferences, I need to find some time where I don't have anything else going on so I can sit down and pound it out in one setting.

3) For the user generated match info (other parameters on which to rate matches), I'm a little stuck in the "what would work best" stage and really need some feedback, but it doesn't look like people want to give it
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