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ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
April 07 2011 20:06 GMT
#41
Sick im gonna make the changes for sure, as should all zergs. Great find, cant believe i didnt think of this myself.
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
April 07 2011 20:11 GMT
#42
On April 07 2011 12:12 Nisco wrote:
Such an awesome find.

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 11:41 Wolf wrote:
Whoa. I wonder if you can do this with blink.


It wouldn't work quite as well because blink required a target point, but I can imagine holding down B for blink, then click on a unit --> clicking behind army --> repeat to work well.

holding down B for blink then trying to just click on stalkers and clicking on ground doesn't work at all.
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HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
April 07 2011 20:12 GMT
#43
After seeing that guy micro pure roaches against the same number of roaches + infestors I have also been trying to do this micro and I am almost positive that he was cheating, it is so ridiculous that he had 700 APM during that and I am almost positive he was using a 3rd part program. However, I do think burrow roaches can be micro'd efficiently and will continue to work on ways of improving burrow roach techniques, thanks for your thoughts and post!
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nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 20:15:16
April 07 2011 20:13 GMT
#44
On April 08 2011 05:06 ruiyang wrote:
Sick im gonna make the changes for sure, as should all zergs. Great find, cant believe i didnt think of this myself.

there is really no need for binding burrow on 2 different buttons imo. instead of holding down R and waiting for my roaches to get to red life, i'd rather try microing and burrowing the red ones when i see it. Watching the battle unfold and waiting for red roaches doesnt really seem like something I'd ever do because i wouldn't be able to macro since I'll have to be holding down R (burrow).
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nemahsys
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 20:17:28
April 07 2011 20:16 GMT
#45
On April 07 2011 10:50 Bio0rMech wrote:
He had 700 APM, thats kinda impossible...


ya, no one has ever played at over 700 apm, especially not bw players named JulyZerg.

Really good idea about the roach burrowing though. I've gotta try and find something clever like this to do with my bio and tanks.
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ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
April 07 2011 20:17 GMT
#46
On April 08 2011 05:13 nitdkim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 05:06 ruiyang wrote:
Sick im gonna make the changes for sure, as should all zergs. Great find, cant believe i didnt think of this myself.

there is really no need for binding burrow on 2 different buttons imo. instead of holding down R and waiting for my roaches to get to red life, i'd rather try microing and burrowing the red ones when i see it. Watching the battle unfold and waiting for red roaches doesnt really seem like something I'd ever do because i wouldn't be able to macro since I'll have to be holding down R (burrow).


Having burrow on 2 buttons greatly decreases the chance of making a mistake. It makes the burrow command and unburrow command so much clearer and easier to execute.
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TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
April 07 2011 20:20 GMT
#47
On April 08 2011 05:12 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:
After seeing that guy micro pure roaches against the same number of roaches + infestors I have also been trying to do this micro and I am almost positive that he was cheating, it is so ridiculous that he had 700 APM during that and I am almost positive he was using a 3rd part program. However, I do think burrow roaches can be micro'd efficiently and will continue to work on ways of improving burrow roach techniques, thanks for your thoughts and post!


people cant still be serious right ?, this has to be a well done troll, you are ''almost positive'' that burrowing roaches without selecting them is a hack ? what a great find of you

to OP : very nice find indeed
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Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
April 07 2011 20:22 GMT
#48
I'll deploy this technique next time I have a roach v roach situation . I've been experimenting with roachburrow move to snipe infestors anyway so I already have burrow.

I don't think this is worth it unless you have a clear roach number advantage though, because if you don't outnumber the opponent, macroing will get you back into the fight. If you DO outnumber, you can preserve roaches to continiue drilling into your opponent.
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
April 07 2011 23:30 GMT
#49
On April 07 2011 10:29 Severian wrote:
I very recently saw a replay in this thread that showcased some phenomenal Roach Burrow micro. The consensus seems to be that the person in that replay was hacking, but nevertheless it made me wonder if there was a way to come close to that level of speed when Burrowing injured Roaches individually (or indeed any other Zerg unit, but it's most applicable to Roaches due to the increased health regen). Currently you have to select a Roach then hit the Burrow hotkey (repeat), which adds a small delay to each Burrow. This can result in the Roach's death.

After a few minutes I came up with the following, which I couldn't find anywhere in a search:

First of all, you might want to turn your keyboard repeat rate up, and the repeat delay down. This will probably already have been done for most Zergs as it helps when building units from multiple larva, but it also helps here so I thought I'd mention it.
Next, bind the Roach's Burrow and Unburrow commands to different hotkeys. It doesn't matter what they're set to, as long as they're different and comfortable.
Then, once you have your group of Roaches and they're fighting the enemy, select an injured one and then HOLD DOWN the Burrow hotkey.
After that, click on injured Roaches one-by-one as fast as you can, without letting go of the hotkey.
When you don't want to Burrow any more Roaches, let go of the hotkey.

That's it! You can Unburrow regenerated Roaches in the same manner, or by box-selecting, or by selecting all your Roaches and hitting the Unburrow hotkey.

I find this method to be noticeably faster than hitting Click-Burrow-Click-Burrow (it's essentially limited to how fast you can spot an injured Roach and click on it, which I think is optimal -- it removes the delay from pressing the Burrow button individually), and you can't accidentally Unburrow any Roaches you want to keep Burrowed.

The only problem I can see is that it might take a bit to get used to the different Unburrow/Burrow hotkey for Roaches, depending on what you change one/both of them to.

As an aside, this idea was based on my attempt to perform quicker Blink micro by holding down the Blink button. Unfortunately, though, the disablement of the Blink hotkey isn't immediate, so you'll sometimes try to Blink the same Stalker twice, which seems to kill that idea.


i just tried what you suggested and the part where you unburrow the roaches from a control group doesn't work instant, you need to press tab + unburrow, if you think there is any other solution than please share with us?
But that tip about holding down burrow hotkey and pressing roaches is golden :D
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Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
April 08 2011 00:00 GMT
#50
...one of those "why didn't I think of that?" moments!

I already hold down 'd' when I have my hatches selected as 'd' is my alternate button (I use BOTH 's' and 'd') to select larvae, so by simply holding 'd' I instantly make a drone as soon as a larvae is available. I'd also hold down 'Z', or 'E' for making zerglings or transforming banelings. Why not spam burrow? :D

Great find OP, I can't wait to use this.
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Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
April 08 2011 00:09 GMT
#51
On April 08 2011 08:30 vojnik wrote:
i just tried what you suggested and the part where you unburrow the roaches from a control group doesn't work instant, you need to press tab + unburrow, if you think there is any other solution than please share with us?

Unfortunately that part isn't as easy, as I believe there's no guarantee which order the sub-groups will be in (ie whether you need to press Tab or not). However, as Burrow and Unburrow are on different keys, you can press the Unburrow key safely without accidentally Burrowing anything.

So, if we assume that Unburrow is set to T, we can press:

T, Tab, T

...which will Unburrow all of the selected Roaches.
Rampager
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia1007 Posts
April 08 2011 00:30 GMT
#52
This is really smart, kudos for sharing this.
TheDemigod
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia79 Posts
April 08 2011 01:58 GMT
#53
For anyone that said maybe that guy in the replay wasn't hacking. He was injecting the whole game at perfect times without even selecting his queens. He also didn't have to deelect all his roaches to burrow individual ones.
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
April 08 2011 02:14 GMT
#54
^^ TO YOU my dear friend, learn to read the OP. He stated that the person in the replay was a hacker, and that he wasn't, he was merely inspired by the amazing power of roach micro in the replay to try to figure out an efficient way to do that kind of micro that way and found it.

To OP: Thanks for the work, very awesome, and I hope to see it used against me... (I kinda deserve it after all my silver league blink rushes vs. zerg... :/)
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
Zruku
Profile Joined February 2011
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 06:26:34
April 08 2011 06:23 GMT
#55
On April 07 2011 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:50 Bio0rMech wrote:
He had 700 APM, thats kinda impossible...

I think he had 700 APM because he held down the burrow hotkey with a very quick repeat rate.

I really doubt he had insane that APM, the fact that the roaches burrowed then moved in the back and were brought up as soon as they had green health with them all selected makes me really doubt he was playing legitimately.
Nightsend
Profile Joined April 2011
United States9 Posts
April 08 2011 06:38 GMT
#56
those who find the default repeat rate is still too slow when set to max can increase it further by editing some registries.

info here

http://www.pbdr.com/ostips/keyrrate.htm
OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
April 08 2011 06:46 GMT
#57
I hate learning new hotkeys but I've been having issues with burrow on roaches, I guess it's time to find a new unburrow button :<
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OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
April 08 2011 06:50 GMT
#58
On April 08 2011 15:38 Nightsend wrote:
those who find the default repeat rate is still too slow when set to max can increase it further by editing some registries.

info here

http://www.pbdr.com/ostips/keyrrate.htm


That's pretty cool, there should be a thread for windows tweaks that are helpful in starcraft 2, maybe there is? time to hit the search button
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
April 08 2011 06:51 GMT
#59
...woah. I am totally doing this. Now to think of some hotkeys that don't collide with something else...

Thamks for the tip!
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pararin
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland35 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 09:33:27
April 08 2011 09:32 GMT
#60
oops wrong thread
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