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canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 02:40:35
April 07 2011 02:39 GMT
#21
nvm
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
April 07 2011 02:41 GMT
#22
Whoa. I wonder if you can do this with blink.
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Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 02:45:18
April 07 2011 02:42 GMT
#23
On April 07 2011 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:50 Bio0rMech wrote:
He had 700 APM, thats kinda impossible...

I think he had 700 APM because he held down the burrow hotkey with a very quick repeat rate.


On April 07 2011 11:38 Syben wrote:
I have seen the replay and though your idea and theory is a good tip, I dont think it really explains completely all of the shadiness of that players actions


Yes, I did not mean to imply that the replay was an example of this technique. I was just telling the story of what made me decide to experiment. I don't think any human is capable of doing what was in that replay. I don't think my APM goes higher than 300-400 when I do this technique as fast as possible without concern for which Roaches I burrow.

On April 07 2011 11:41 Wolf wrote:
Whoa. I wonder if you can do this with blink.

If you managed to adjust your keyboard repeat rate such that it doesn't repeat the keypress before the hotkey is disabled (which I think is dependent on latency), then it would work. However, that doesn't seem practical. You'll occasionally try to Blink a Stalker which is already on cooldown, from what I've tried, which gets you "stuck" in the targeting-cursor mode and you can't select another Stalker without right-clicking.
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
April 07 2011 02:48 GMT
#24
This probably explains the Map Hack Micro Bot thread, holding down a hotkey DOES cause your APM to shoot up past 600-700. It's the same thing that happens when you hold down Z to make 100 lings at once.

The best keyboard settings to use are:
Repeat Rate: Fastest
Repeat Delay: Shortest

I think it'd be best to do a combination of the regular method and this one, so you can keep Burrow on the same hotkey. Hold down R when you have to burrow individual Roaches quickly, release it everytime you no longer have to burrow. This would allow you to quickly burrow AND unburrow Roaches while holding R. Seems like it'd work better just as long as you don't hold R for too long (would make the Roach burrow then unburrow).
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
April 07 2011 02:48 GMT
#25
On April 07 2011 11:30 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 10:50 Bio0rMech wrote:
He had 700 APM, thats kinda impossible...

I think he had 700 APM because he held down the burrow hotkey with a very quick repeat rate.

The replay linked is of a hacker. The OP is just saying that it inspired him to look for a better way to do burrow micro, not that the replay uses this technique.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
April 07 2011 02:55 GMT
#26
On April 07 2011 11:48 lysergic wrote:
This probably explains the Map Hack Micro Bot thread, holding down a hotkey DOES cause your APM to shoot up past 600-700. It's the same thing that happens when you hold down Z to make 100 lings at once.

The best keyboard settings to use are:
Repeat Rate: Fastest
Repeat Delay: Shortest

I think it'd be best to do a combination of the regular method and this one, so you can keep Burrow on the same hotkey. Hold down R when you have to burrow individual Roaches quickly, release it everytime you no longer have to burrow. This would allow you to quickly burrow AND unburrow Roaches while holding R. Seems like it'd work better just as long as you don't hold R for too long (would make the Roach burrow then unburrow).


No, it doesn't explain the other thread and OP has said this himself. The hacker in that thread is clearly botting and there's no excuse for it. He wasn't even individually selecting his queens and roaches.
rbx270j
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
April 07 2011 02:57 GMT
#27
On April 07 2011 11:41 Wolf wrote:
Whoa. I wonder if you can do this with blink.

you'd at least have to have that extra click to chose a destination if it does, though.
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
April 07 2011 02:57 GMT
#28
cool... ima test some techniques
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zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
April 07 2011 03:05 GMT
#29
On April 07 2011 10:41 smocca wrote:
Nice tip. I have had burrow and unburrow on spacebar but I find myself constantly fumbling around if I try to do midbattle micro. I'll give this a shot.

Does anyone know of a roach micro UMS like the marine split challenge? There's always the unit tester but a minigame would be kind of fun.


There was one that came out a little while ago.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186426
Nisco
Profile Joined September 2008
Brazil98 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 03:13:20
April 07 2011 03:12 GMT
#30
Such an awesome find.

On April 07 2011 11:41 Wolf wrote:
Whoa. I wonder if you can do this with blink.


It wouldn't work quite as well because blink required a target point, but I can imagine holding down B for blink, then click on a unit --> clicking behind army --> repeat to work well.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
April 07 2011 16:05 GMT
#31
Ah, that's true. I wasn't thinking about that.
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Bozotclown
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom60 Posts
April 07 2011 17:39 GMT
#32
Stop going on about the hacker. Multiple times individual units were burrowed and unburrowed while not selected or all of them were selected. Anybody got a goddamn micro technique where you don't even click on the unit?
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tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
April 07 2011 17:48 GMT
#33
Why would you want to have burrow and unburrow on different hotkeys? For mid-size platoons of roaches you're probably still going to be individually clicking on them one by one...
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
April 07 2011 17:58 GMT
#34
On April 07 2011 11:48 lysergic wrote:
This probably explains the Map Hack Micro Bot thread, holding down a hotkey DOES cause your APM to shoot up past 600-700. It's the same thing that happens when you hold down Z to make 100 lings at once.

The best keyboard settings to use are:
Repeat Rate: Fastest
Repeat Delay: Shortest

I think it'd be best to do a combination of the regular method and this one, so you can keep Burrow on the same hotkey. Hold down R when you have to burrow individual Roaches quickly, release it everytime you no longer have to burrow. This would allow you to quickly burrow AND unburrow Roaches while holding R. Seems like it'd work better just as long as you don't hold R for too long (would make the Roach burrow then unburrow).


Ugh, if you had watched the replay, the replies in that thread and had a good sense of what is humanly possible in a game, you wouldn't be saying this. It's kinda annoying that people keep pretending he might have been just really good when what he did was literally impossible physically.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
April 07 2011 18:06 GMT
#35
On April 07 2011 11:48 lysergic wrote:
This probably explains the Map Hack Micro Bot thread, holding down a hotkey DOES cause your APM to shoot up past 600-700. It's the same thing that happens when you hold down Z to make 100 lings at once.

The best keyboard settings to use are:
Repeat Rate: Fastest
Repeat Delay: Shortest

I think it'd be best to do a combination of the regular method and this one, so you can keep Burrow on the same hotkey. Hold down R when you have to burrow individual Roaches quickly, release it everytime you no longer have to burrow. This would allow you to quickly burrow AND unburrow Roaches while holding R. Seems like it'd work better just as long as you don't hold R for too long (would make the Roach burrow then unburrow).


Ugh, if you had watched the replay, the replies in that thread and had a good sense of what is humanly possible in a game, you wouldn't be saying this. It's kinda annoying that people keep pretending he might have been just really good when what he did was literally impossible physically.
I think esports is pretty nice.
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
April 07 2011 18:20 GMT
#36
Nice find! I think ill hotkey unburrow to 'T' and give this a shot. With aussie lag I usually have to burrow a roach the second he gets hit to keep them alive
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
ChefStarCraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada350 Posts
April 07 2011 19:21 GMT
#37
Nice thread op, Defiantly going to be including this in my play. The delay tip was awesome too, I have them both so there set to the fastest.
Why don't we see who is the wizard and play some one on one, I think you'll find me sympathetic to ya when I've won, It seems you've got the brawn to beat me if this was all it takes, But I've got skills to pay the bills and punish each of your mistakes.
TiBe
Profile Joined November 2009
Mexico200 Posts
April 07 2011 19:59 GMT
#38
On April 07 2011 11:55 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 11:48 lysergic wrote:
This probably explains the Map Hack Micro Bot thread, holding down a hotkey DOES cause your APM to shoot up past 600-700. It's the same thing that happens when you hold down Z to make 100 lings at once.

The best keyboard settings to use are:
Repeat Rate: Fastest
Repeat Delay: Shortest

I think it'd be best to do a combination of the regular method and this one, so you can keep Burrow on the same hotkey. Hold down R when you have to burrow individual Roaches quickly, release it everytime you no longer have to burrow. This would allow you to quickly burrow AND unburrow Roaches while holding R. Seems like it'd work better just as long as you don't hold R for too long (would make the Roach burrow then unburrow).


No, it doesn't explain the other thread and OP has said this himself. The hacker in that thread is clearly botting and there's no excuse for it. He wasn't even individually selecting his queens and roaches.



And also the hacker not only burrowed the roaches but also move them in a short distance and then unburrowed them
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
April 07 2011 20:03 GMT
#39
damn, I bound burrow and unburrow to different keys as soon as 1.3 came out but had never thought about holding down burrow and selecting units. Works great, thanks alot for the tip!
Do you really want chat rooms?
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 07 2011 20:05 GMT
#40
On April 07 2011 10:50 Bio0rMech wrote:
He had 700 APM, thats kinda impossible...


Try to read past the first sentence.
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