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PhantomHybrid
United Kingdom47 Posts
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
On March 11 2011 06:47 Kantutan wrote: San certainly improved a great deal but he's far from amazing. I still think he's Code A material, considering the number of good players that are coming up. He's also been only facing somewhat mediocre opponents compared to July, MC, MVP etc. EXCEPT NesTea who obviously was completely under-estimating him, and probably didn't practice at all. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
He has always been a low tier player and to think he had some hidden potential makes a pretty sweeping statement in and of itself. I mean there's a reason why he's only on HoSeo and not, for lack of a better term, a "real" team (you would think that at least MVP would have taken him up as they seem to be the lower tier team overall). That being said, he showed very strong play overall this season and he really deserves his place. I think he will stay a mid-tier Code S player. ...Anypro on the other hand I still believe in my heart to be a very weak player who relies a lot on all-ins (his macro games are usually other players just playing worse). He still has a strong chance of beating July I think, just because July plays very volatile (much like Kyrix who was 2-0d by anypro). | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On March 11 2011 06:17 IrrasO wrote: san made ro16 in GSL season 1 by going through torch and maru, neither of whom have done anything since the first season. (albeit torch did almost make it into code A through the most recent qualifiers) lol, how can you count ro32 twice? his ro32 in the code S january season was the result of him going out 0-2 in the first round of group stages, where there were only 32 players to begin with. that's like coming in second in a duel. Really? I am saying both players aren't that good yet Idra is praised as a top player while San is considered garbage. I am just stating a majority just follow what people tell them rather than watching the games or replays and seeing what actually happend. | ||
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IrrasO
United States409 Posts
On March 11 2011 07:04 Utinni wrote: Really? I am saying both players aren't that good yet Idra is praised as a top player while San is considered garbage. I am just stating a majority just follow what people tell them rather than watching the games or replays and seeing what actually happend. you aren't saying that both players aren't that good... On March 11 2011 07:04 Utinni wrote: Before getting knocked into the up and down matches, he had a top 16/32/32... and he wasn't performing well? i'm not a huge idra fan, i know he's good but i too feel that he's hyped up simply because he's a foreigner. regardless, he did qualify for the first three GSLs before code S started and in turn made it into the ro8 in the january season. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
Of course we have to see his PvP, his ability to transition to other styles, consistency in defending early attacks, etc. before we begin to rank him among current players. On March 11 2011 07:04 Utinni wrote: Really? I am saying both players aren't that good yet Idra is praised as a top player while San is considered garbage. I am just stating a majority just follow what people tell them rather than watching the games or replays and seeing what actually happend. Idra is a top pro player, San wasn't a good pro player. If you watched both their replays you'd know that. Placements don't mean anything without context. :/ | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On March 11 2011 06:49 PhantomHybrid wrote: San was Godly in group play of this season. He seems to have fallen a bit after watching his matches against SCfou, another EXTREAMLY underated player. He has improved by leaps and bounds for somebody who was considered the worst player in Code S, his PvZ and PvT is amazingly good atm, I would love him to knock out MC to make him the true king slayer and make it another new winner :D Quoting jinro: "MC doesn't lose PvP" As manly as manzenith is right now, MC is too much imo. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On March 11 2011 07:19 IrrasO wrote: you aren't saying that both players aren't that good... i'm not a huge idra fan, i know he's good but i too feel that he's hyped up simply because he's a foreigner. regardless, he did qualify for the first three GSLs before code S started and in turn made it into the ro8 in the january season. Yap, That's how well he was performing. Like I said before he was performing the same as Idra (both of which I said aren't that good). Yet, one is praised as a top player well the other is a jobber. Either way... If he wins GSL.... people are gonna shit bricks. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 11 2011 07:31 mordk wrote: Quoting jinro: "MC doesn't lose PvP" As manly as manzenith is right now, MC is too much imo. Quoting Nestea: "I've never lost to a Protoss". | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
When casters are hypercritical of a player it trickles down to the community. | ||
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Deleted User 47542
1484 Posts
On March 11 2011 06:52 Kazzabiss wrote: He's also been only facing somewhat mediocre opponents compared to July, MC, MVP etc. EXCEPT NesTea who obviously was completely under-estimating him, and probably didn't practice at all. You have common sense issues if you think Nestea didn't practice at all. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On March 10 2011 17:40 Turgid wrote: I agree with you, largely. The games against Inca in GSL 1 were some of the best of the season. Wow at that Void Ray game, shame PvP is NOTHING like that any more, and probably never will be. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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GuiltyJerk
United States584 Posts
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On March 11 2011 07:36 Jayrod wrote: I think its more of an example of how stupid it is to write a player off as bad just because they choose to use a series of powerful all-ins. We didn't get to see marine kings macro game during his earlier runs either because he was doing what it takes to win his matches. Its so stupid to me how hard people are on people who go all-in. That guy ActionJesus from the EU scene could probably spank 99% of the people that post on these forums in a straight up macro game. When casters are hypercritical of a player it trickles down to the community. I see it here often and sometimes still do. It took MKP almost 2 full seasons of almost always fast expanding and playing macro games to shrug off the "all-in" tag people like to throw around. I swear people just watch a few games and form an opinion of a player`s style for an eternity. It was easy to figure who actually WATCHED the games in Season 3 and 4 based on comments about MKP`s play. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
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Smurphy
United States374 Posts
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