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On March 10 2011 04:48 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 04:46 CrazyCow wrote:
Now I can stop watching Code A on mute. You're an asshole. People like you made her leave/get fired (whatever happened). This community has been absolute garbage to her. I honestly feel sorry for Kelly.
Well she is nice girl and tried her best, but she wasn't a good caster. I mean not only you can hardly understand her, she also poorly understands the game.
Community was honest, not garbage.
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On March 10 2011 05:05 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:04 wopaahh wrote:
oh cmon "because of my accent and i am female"..as if any male with such accent wouldve ever gotten anywhere near that kind of job. Cella's fanclub numbers would be over the top if he started commentating.
Lolz that's so true in many ways.
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So the "news" here is (1) GOM is doing exactly what they said they were going to do, trying out different casters over an unspecified time period and (2) people on the internet can be assholes.
Anyone paying attention knew that her trial period was going to end at some point and they'd bring in someone new. It had nothing to do with the (often justified, often over-the-top) critical reaction from the community. Said reaction may (and should) impact whether she's brought back full-time when they're done with the tryouts, but it probably didn't impact her leaving after casting one full season.
And I've got to say, the opportunity she's been given has been a fantastic one. She got to cast a FULL season of GSL Code A games! For just about any caster out there, that's an AMAZING thing to have done. Also, the entire SC2 community now knows who she is, whether they like her or not. If that doesn't help her get future gigs, get more followers/viewers on her streams or whatever, I'd be shocked. She's had an amazing experience that most of us can only dream of, so even though hundred of people on the internet ripped her, I bet she'd still say this was one of the top experiences in her life.
So I really don't get what all the drama is about.
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Nobody (of the people who disliked her casting) is going to feel guilty about her leaving, i am sure she is a fine human being but as a CUSTOMER (yes i actually PAY for GSL) i expect at least to be able to understand what the casters are saying.
Many in the community wont feel guilty at all, people like Tyler already said what many of us "non trolls" are trying to say: We cant understand what she is saying!
You can pin point her accent or nationality all you want, but i simply do not understand the words that are coming out of her mouth. I should not have to put effort into understand what a commentator is saying.
You want me to just "deal with it"? That is a great way for GOM to lose customers and that is no way to communicate, regardless of how cool it is to say it on 4chan and other places.
People need to stop labelling everyone who complains about something a "troll", in this case it was fully justified as she wasent doing her job properly for most of us.
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Just a point on people citing her thick accent and comparing it to other think accents: The distinction to be made with kelly is not just the way the words coming out of her mouth sound, or the value of those words, it's more about the dropped words and combined words. Her spoken sentence structure is extremely difficult to parse _quickly_ due to verb conjugation issues and missing or improper articles etc.
You can test this by transcribing to plain text what she is saying, then reading the text (removing the accent from the equation).
Any way, again, best of luck to her, I am however looking forward to meeting the new caster for next season.
EDIT: Frankly if she practices hard on fundamental sentence structure and conjugation, she could come back even with her think accent and be much more accepted. If she wants it she'll have to work very hard to achieve that goal but it's certainly possible.
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On March 10 2011 04:47 Dudemeister wrote:
For being the most tolerant and mature community out there, we really fucked up this time!
how true..
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On March 10 2011 05:00 DayJP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 04:55 Ribbon wrote:On March 10 2011 04:53 DayJP wrote:
OP is completely unreasonable and out of freaking arguments. Branding a near "yall racist" post to kelly's critics (which I am, even got some bans for it) should be punishable as well as "badmouthing" miss kelly milkies
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HCFZV.jpg) That's how Singapore seems to be taking it. rofl i'm gonna read this, but by the looks of it, seems to be a helluva butthurting empty victimization nationalist piece of writing
Representing the TL community well here. We're an intelligent, mature bunch.
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On March 10 2011 05:03 Shiragaku wrote:
I enjoyed her commentary overall and I am really sad to see her go but not everyone shares my opinion and GOM is a profit organization.
But I feel sorry for female figures in gaming due to massive sexism...random pics use to have so many images to prove this until the mods began cracking down on them. And what pisses me off the most is when people reply with "White Knighting." Talk about assholery and immaturity on a whole new level.
But I have never seen so much massive hate about a commentator before. Look at all the commentators we have streaming TL tournaments. I do not think we have seen threads talking about GLHF, ICCUP, or RageQuit commentaries. I personally think there is a double standard involved.
And more more thing fanboys and anti-fans. The thing you love or hate is not as good or bad as you think it is.
GSL is supposed to be the top level of sc2 and people pay to watch it, glhf.tv, iccup, and ragequit are independent groups of casters that cast tournaments and matches for people to watch for free so that's a completely invalid comparison. Also there have been plenty of complaints about other casters that did poorly, I know there was a ton of criticism and complaints at Assembly because one of the casters was complaining about not even wanting to watch the game.
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its true gom is trying out several casters for code A but its doubtful she'll be back. Accent was too thick for me and her analysis wasn't anything great. the new guy has a pleasant enough voice but no real game analysis, they should partner him with someone who's good at that and that would be a decent enough code A casting duo.
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On March 10 2011 04:58 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 04:48 rysecake wrote:On March 10 2011 04:46 CrazyCow wrote:
Now I can stop watching Code A on mute. You're an asshole. People like you made her leave/get fired (whatever happened). This community has been absolute garbage to her. I honestly feel sorry for Kelly. Why is he an asshole? In his opinion (and the opinion of a lot of other people) she just wasnt cut to be a caster, because of her flaws (accent). If you're not capable of doing your job good enough your contract isnt extended (I dont say that she didnt do her job good enough, that's surely a topic for discussion). It's normal life. Why should "esports" be different? Also regarding the "cycling of casters" it isnt even sure that she got fired or if GOM planned to extend her contract in the first place.
Because his opinion is not based on any shred of merit... Your not giving her a chance if you just outright mute the stream. How can you even begin to make assumptions about Kelly if you haven't even listened to her in the first place... And she did improve A LOT over the course that she did cast.
How can we even begin to say that shes not doing a good job if we don't even take the time to listen to anything shes saying...
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the thing people don't realize is that 90% of you are actually worse at this game then kelley. So anyone who is diamond or lower and complaining about her game sense it just dumb. Because in actuality shes much smarter then you are  Not that i think this is a bad move by gom, you cant have an English caster that is hard to understand to english viewers  its just not a key to long term casting success. Other then that i liked kelley and im sad to see her go because she was just so darn cute
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On March 10 2011 05:09 No_Roo wrote:
Just a point on people citing her thick accent and comparing it to other think accents: The distinction to be made with kelly is not just the way the words coming out of her mouth sound, or the value of those words, it's more about the dropped words and combined words. Her spoken sentence structure is extremely difficult to parse _quickly_ due to verb conjugation issues and missing or improper articles etc.
You can test this by transcribing to plain text what she is saying, then reading the text (removing the accent from the equation).
Any way, again, best of luck to her, I am however looking forward to meeting the new caster for next season.
Actually, it's not hard at all to understand what she means. You people need to be around non-whites more often lol
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On March 10 2011 05:08 GeorgeForeman wrote:
So the "news" here is (1) GOM is doing exactly what they said they were going to do, trying out different casters over an unspecified time period and (2) people on the internet can be assholes.
Anyone paying attention knew that her trial period was going to end at some point and they'd bring in someone new. It had nothing to do with the (often justified, often over-the-top) critical reaction from the community. Said reaction may (and should) impact whether she's brought back full-time when they're done with the tryouts, but it probably didn't impact her leaving after casting one full season.
And I've got to say, the opportunity she's been given has been a fantastic one. She got to cast a FULL season of GSL Code A games! For just about any caster out there, that's an AMAZING thing to have done. Also, the entire SC2 community now knows who she is, whether they like her or not. If that doesn't help her get future gigs, get more followers/viewers on her streams or whatever, I'd be shocked. She's had an amazing experience that most of us can only dream of, so even though hundred of people on the internet ripped her, I bet she'd still say this was one of the top experiences in her life.
So I really don't get what all the drama is about.
Nothing, people just feeling proud of themselves because their prediction that spring is coming comes true, while we all know that it comes once a year around this time. Let them have their self satisfactory.
We all know that she will be in Korea until the season ends, everyone who pays attention in the interview instead of bashing will know that.
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I enjoyed her commentating...somewhat...I certainly didn't at any point regret her commentating.
Sad to see her go.
And the news that each code A caster is there for a season is also true so its unlikely that she was fired.
Either way, good luck for the future Kelly :D
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Can a mod please add John's response to the OP? Nobody got fired.
That said, I admit that the way some people criticized her was uncalled for, but from what I saw on here, the majority were expressing their opinions in reasonable manners, so I don't really know where comments like
For being the most tolerant and mature community out there, we really fucked up this time!
are coming from.
There are plenty of better casters and hopefully GOMtv will find a good pair of casters for Code A after going through this trial period. This is a full-time profession very important for the biggest SC2 tournament in the world and sympathy should not land anyone this job.
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Calgary26004 Posts
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial?
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On March 10 2011 05:04 MrMotionPicture wrote:
That is really sad. I enjoyed her...but I know a lot of people did not. Too bad we all could have not been more encouraging....
Would not have made a difference, why? Because it was a tryout, not a job. Either way she was going to go for someone else to take over regardless of the feedback.
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While i agree that Kelly prolly wasn't code A quality, i'm shocked by how much negativity is shown to her through both the TL and gom forums. Maybe because i am myself asian, but i have no problem understanding her accent and her understanding of the game was decent, although not day9-level. I think several times during the last few casts, she even sparked the intellect of tastosis. I think she was enjoyable and entertaining to watch, the same way i feel about husky and hd. It's entertaining, that's it and we should be embracing it.
That said, gomtv does need to cater to the paying audience, and if people are not watching or watching on mute, no matter what race/gender/ethnicity the casters are, they need to make a change.
Best wished and god bless to kelly.
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United States301 Posts
Wow, there is a lot of misconception and misdirected anger in this thread.
My thoughts: It's an industry. GOM-TV is a corporation. They operate for profit. If thousands of their fans are outraged about their product, they have an obligation to react. Now sure, some of the criticism was hastily constructed and derogatory, but it qualifies as outcry nonetheless.
Just imagine if someone similar to Kelly were hired to commentate NBA games for ESPN. The public's reaction, in my opinion, would be much the same, if not worse because of how many more viewers there would be.
In my opinion, she shouldn't be brought back. With all due respect she simply doesn't have the qualities necessary to perform at the highest level. And if e-sports wants to grow, they cannot settle for anything less than the best in casting, production, etc.
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On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial?
A lot of people, I imagine, considering the opportunity.
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