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On March 10 2011 05:14 Termit wrote:
Really, she isnt that good of a caster. Some people are just not ment to be casters and Kellys high pitched voice is not a good caster voice. But if she still wanna be a professional caster she should:
1. Take voice lessons.
2. Get a neutral accent.
3. Learn how to pronounce units correctly, "the race cars"... cmon.
It's also nice in a way that people give her some shit because to many females has it to easy in esports just because they are girls.
Once you're older than 15 your accent in a second or third language sticks with you. If you are younger you will get rid of it or learn to speak the language without the accent, once you are past that age any language you learn will have an accent. "Get a neutral accent" by far the dumbest most ignorant thing I have seen in a while.
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On March 10 2011 05:12 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial? A lot of people, I imagine, considering the opportunity.
To be fair, I think they probably had chosen Kelly as the main caster and were searching for a second but because of the flack they had, GOM decided to make the trial period so they can more easily go through different casters to see community reaction (again PURE speculation).
I also don't think it's the best opportunity necessarily because it is a huge investment to actually fly, and (if they get the job) move indefinitely to Korea with I'm guessing a decent salary for the actual time put in (which I would probably consider still fairly low). I think people who end up going are there more because they are passionate.
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On March 10 2011 05:15 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial? Many players have done it, and just to have a longshot at qualifying for a grueling tournament that, if they perform well in, may land them in an even more difficult tournament that, if they place near the top of, will pay out enough to cover their travel and living expenses.
If not that, if they were to play a great game, or defeat someone that they shouldn't have or normally wouldn't play with that much exposure of the game, it may also be a shot in the arm for their pro-gaming career would it not?
Just look at Torch, he paid his own way to Korea to play when not many have heard of him got into a RO64 and now he works for GOM and is on Startale. Pretty good "trial run" if you ask me.
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I had no problems with Kelly's accent -- I was somewhat happy with the diversification to be honest.
What has been bothering me about her and DoA is their inability to definitively call a battle that, from my eyes (and many of you I'm sure), seems fairly obvious. Just one example: game 2 of Leenock vs Losira, Losira does a one base roach/bane push. It was obviously going to succeed -- anyone with a mite of game sense knew the game was over as soon Losira absorbed all bane damage with roaches; however, DoA and Kelly claimed (paraphrasing) "Oh, Losira's attack is actually not that effective." ::3 seconds of silence:: "Oh, it turns out Losira's attack was very effective." This is just one example among several. Stuff like "I don't think he can hold this!!!" -- really, what tipped you off? The fact that 16 roaches are rolling unimpeded into the main? You don't "think" he can hold this? The game is over. Make a decisive call.
These kinds of slip-ups just chip away at viewer confidence. I like DoA, I think he has charisma and a good voice. I just hope these sorts of blunders are smoothed over in the future.
Best of luck to Kelly in her future endeavors. The people who found her "unintelligible" have bigger issues than starcraft.
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I think it's odd that people go straight to her being a female or asian first when it's not really what people are really complaining about. To be a great caster you just need a good speaking voice, good observation skills, and being able to work well with your co-caster. Kelly doesn't really have these qualities at the level that Tasteless or Artosis does.
I think being able to put on a show for the audience is a huge factor at who is going to be in the seat for good and I don't think Kelly can really bring the level of entertainment we should be seeing. Can you imagine what Code S would be like without Tastosis jokes and random tangents? It'd be way less entertaining.
Edit: It's also not fair to say the ladies are at a disadvantage. Watch day9's commentary with Soe and then watch Kelly's casts. Just throwing it out there.
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On March 10 2011 05:14 Cathasaigh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial? Didn't moletrap say he was going to Korea for three weeks for the selection thing? And this is before he went so it's not the possible "I got fired but we're saying this past month was a 1 month job trial".
BTW in some countries its perfectly acceptable to hire people on a probation period. Its a precondition which says that they will continue with the job if they find them suitable during this period and if they are not a match then they will be let go. It is possible that this 1 month trial thing is exactly that.
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I didn't think she was that bad. Then again I really couldn't care less who commentates a match. I normally watch streams muted with my own music playing anyway. Hopefully she's not too upset about the the nobodies that kicked and screamed about her casting and actually listened to real constructive criticism, and continues to improve your commentating.
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Can't say I'm not glad. Time for some awesome casters to step up and make Code A almost as baller as Code S.
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On March 10 2011 05:15 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial? Many players have done it, and just to have a longshot at qualifying for a grueling tournament that, if they perform well in, may land them in an even more difficult tournament that, if they place near the top of, will pay out enough to cover their travel and living expenses. I mean: would you say the same thing about Torch?
Do you think they told her straight up "We will try you for one month and then get someone else to replace you and then maybe bring you back?" Maybe they did, but I never heard anything about this trial stuff until she was unpopular. It sounds like she fired and they just called it "her trial being up" but I'm obviously ignorant of the entire situation.
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She wasn't a bad caster by any means. She had the enthusiasm to do it and was clearly very upbeat. The problem is, when I was on campus and had friends nearby, I could show them the games with Tastetosis casting and they would really enjoy it. They're fun to watch, complement each other extremely well and understand the game at a high level(Artosis does at the very least), so they can teach the noobs whats going on.
The same scenario isn't possible with Kelly casting for obvious reasons. Gom should aim at getting casters that can accommodate the noobs and entertain the audience, that's how you get word of mouth on GSL in the first place.
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On March 10 2011 05:14 Ludwigvan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:00 DayJP wrote:On March 10 2011 04:55 Ribbon wrote:On March 10 2011 04:53 DayJP wrote:
OP is completely unreasonable and out of freaking arguments. Branding a near "yall racist" post to kelly's critics (which I am, even got some bans for it) should be punishable as well as "badmouthing" miss kelly milkies
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HCFZV.jpg) That's how Singapore seems to be taking it. rofl i'm gonna read this, but by the looks of it, seems to be a helluva butthurting empty victimization nationalist piece of writing -edit: well i was so wrong, the article is pretty lame The article is pretty good actually. Good that she doesn't take it too personal.
as she shouldnt.
with the exception of only a few fellow singaporeans that organized a few events there and made some personal complaints about her personality and professionalism, ppl kept complaints unrelated to her skills to a minimum
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On March 10 2011 05:15 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:14 DaCheF wrote:On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial? If a caster they got was really good and and they found what they were looking for I'm sure they would stop looking for other casters. I don't buy it either. This is my point. It's not like they're ever going to bring her back to "try again". It's pretty much the same as being fired but they've given it another name.
It's not the same as being fired. GOM just didn't "renew her contract". Subtle difference sure, but it's a difference. We can't say she was so much a disappointment that GOM had to break a promise of employment to replace her.
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IPA i think casters are encouraged to not call a game even if it's blatantly obvious who's going to win. Personally i think there's no reason to do this though, which is why i preferred Chill and Day9 in the TSL2, who were fine with pointing out someone could not win.
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On March 10 2011 05:17 echO [W] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:15 JWD wrote:On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial? Many players have done it, and just to have a longshot at qualifying for a grueling tournament that, if they perform well in, may land them in an even more difficult tournament that, if they place near the top of, will pay out enough to cover their travel and living expenses. If not that, if they were to play a great game, or defeat someone that they shouldn't have or normally wouldn't play with that much exposure of the game, it may also be a shot in the arm for their pro-gaming career would it not? Just look at Torch, he payed his own way to Korea to play when not many have heard of him got into a RO64 and now he works for GOM and is on Startale. Pretty good "trial run" if you ask me.
Sure, and you can say the same thing about a caster. I'm sure Kelly has more fans now (and way more exposure) than when she went to Korea. Both casting for and playing in GSL are huge resume builders.
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I hope this is not our fault! If you really need to split up the archon for code A, so be it. The reason we were mad was just mostly because the lack of either Tasteless or Artosis. She started to get really good at casting!
I kind of like the idea that Code A would be cast by her and someone else, while Code S is left to our favorite nerd partners.
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On March 10 2011 05:16 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 05:14 Termit wrote:
Really, she isnt that good of a caster. Some people are just not ment to be casters and Kellys high pitched voice is not a good caster voice. But if she still wanna be a professional caster she should:
1. Take voice lessons.
2. Get a neutral accent.
3. Learn how to pronounce units correctly, "the race cars"... cmon.
It's also nice in a way that people give her some shit because to many females has it to easy in esports just because they are girls. Once you're older than 15 your accent in a second or third language sticks with you. If you are younger you will get rid of it or learn to speak the language without the accent, once you are past that age any language you learn will have an accent. "Get a neutral accent" by far the dumbest most ignorant thing I have seen in a while.
Dude, are you dumb? Why do you think every sports caster has the same accent, because they come from the same pond? No because they learn how to get rid of there horrible accent. Just because you're over 15 years old and doesn't have english as your native language it isn't impossible to remove your accent. Haha...
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Didn't john mention they were cycling Code A casters to see which one would get hired indefinitely?
anyways, sad to hear that our community lacked respect for Kelly.
regardless, I can't wait for MoleTrap! GOGO! :D
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She had a good personality and fun attidude. With more practice and perhaps immersing herself in an English speaking society she can moderate her admittedly dense accent that a lot of viewers had some difficulties with.
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I can't even believe the amount of crap that she would've gotten if she was a guy. I think most of her defenders just feel sympathy for her and don't like her being criticized so harshly. Her voice and accent are both annoying and unbearable and we can objectively agree that her game knowledge is on bronze-gold-level. They need to hire someone who actually plays starcraft competitvely and has years of experience both casting and playing.
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On March 10 2011 05:17 IPA wrote:
I had no problems with Kelly's accent -- I was somewhat happy with the diversification to be honest.
What has been bothering me about her and DoA is their inability to definitively call a battle that, from my eyes (and many of you I'm sure), seems fairly obvious. Just one example: game 2 of Leenock vs Losira, Losira does a one base roach/bane push. It was obviously going to succeed -- anyone with a mite of game sense knew the game was over as soon Losira absorbed all bane damage with roaches; however, DoA and Kelly claimed (paraphrasing) "Oh, Losira's attack is actually not that effective." ::3 seconds of silence:: "Oh, it turns out Losira's attack was very effective." This is just one example among several. Stuff like "I don't think he can hold this!!!" -- really, what tipped you off? The fact that 16 roaches are rolling unimpeded into the main? You don't "think" he can hold this? The game is over. Make a decisive call.
These kinds of slip-ups just chip away at viewer confidence. I like DoA, I think he has charisma and a good voice. I just hope these sorts of blunders are smoothed over in the future.
Best of luck to Kelly in her future endeavors. The people who found her "unintelligible" have bigger issues than starcraft.
That's the kind of thing I was talking about. She just doesn't have the gamesense and knowledge to understand what she's seeing. That plus there are many examples where she was simply wrong (like saying someone had no upgrades so he lost the battle, when he actually had 2/1 vs 2/2)
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