On March 10 2011 05:26 Chill wrote: Okay, so my new theory is:
1. GOM selected DoA and Moletrap to be casters. 2. They couldn't make it immediately because of real life; Kelly could. 3. They hired Kelly immediately, made up this story about trials. 4. Moletrap scheduled to come, they said trial over.
Maybe not true, but at least I can justify the logic in my head as opposed to the current things GOM are saying.
Maaaayybeeee but still Occam's Razor says she's fired and GOM decided to do it in a classy way saying "trial".
Well , at least there will be more Sc2 talk in GSL LR threads next season...
I really didn't enjoy her casting and i feel that Gomtv is at a lot of fault for what happened. If they had done any research or polling before getting her to cast i think they couldve avoided a lot of these issues. I have seen her stream up a few times and even when she was doing a tournament i wouldve like to watch, i wouldnt because of who would be casting it.
I think Gom is in a very weird position. I guess its unrealistic to think of a large company polling the internet to see what people think of people they would like to hire but at the same time it's an industry that is based on that type of following? If that makes sense i guess..... I don't know either way I'm hoping they choose other casters.
On March 10 2011 05:26 Chill wrote: Okay, so my new theory is:
1. GOM selected DoA and Moletrap to be casters. 2. They couldn't make it immediately because of real life; Kelly could. 3. They hired Kelly immediately, made up this story about trials. 4. Moletrap scheduled to come, they said trial over.
Maybe not true, but at least I can justify the logic in my head as opposed to the current things GOM are saying.
You don't think they hired Kelly indefinitely, but backed off and brought Moletrap in once the community blew up over it? And are now using the bit about trial casters to make Kelly's departure look better for both GOM and Kelly?
I think both theories are equally as valid. Though, I'm inclined to think JWD's is more valid with the amount of "outrage" and such.
2011.01.11 Note that Gretech will not compensate for any additional cost(flight, lodging) apart from the salary.
On what basis are you claiming that GOM's initial plan didn't include cycling casters? Nothing in the quotes from GOM you've raised supports that claim.
Also, I don't think the decision was last-minute. At 2:25 of an interview from February 24
Kelly said that she was only staying in Korea until the 17th of March. It definitely does seem to be a pre-planned decision based on the availability of their applicants for these trials.
edit: LOL, I don't know how to emb Youtube videos. Feel like a noob. edit2: nvm. Figured it out.
On March 10 2011 05:14 Termit wrote: Really, she isnt that good of a caster. Some people are just not ment to be casters and Kellys high pitched voice is not a good caster voice. But if she still wanna be a professional caster she should: 1. Take voice lessons. 2. Get a neutral accent. 3. Learn how to pronounce units correctly, "the race cars"... cmon.
It's also nice in a way that people give her some shit because to many females has it to easy in esports just because they are girls.
"Get a neutral accent"....are you serious? I hear they have a sale on those this week on E-Bay, she should pick on up while the getting is good! "Hi, I'd like to purchase the neutral accent plug-in module for my Starcraft casting please". Good god. My grandparents are Dutch and moved here in their mid 30s. Even at the age of 90ish, speaking English every day as they learned it, they still had a Dutch accent and not a light one either. It's not a simple case of just turning it "on/off". Same as when I speak French or German (being my 2nd and 3rd language respectively) I can't just "turn on" a perfect French/German accent. I ensure my pronunciation is as good as I can make it, likely butcher it from time to time, but that's the way it is. Yes people are entitled to their opinions, yes there were times I had to piece together what she said (though very very infrequently 99% of the time I had no issues) but to pretend you can just "turn off" your accent when English isn't your first language is plain ignorant.
To the OP, GOM has admitted they're rotating casters in/out trying to find chemistry/a good mix so this may be blowing thing sout of proportion, but tbh, if I were foreign and had any form of accent, I'd be hesitant to apply for the job after the beating Kelly was given everywhere.
Oh for the love of god, read my earlier comment. Why would your grandparents have a good accent just because they moved to Canada? That has nothing to do with it. If you're a professional caster you go to a speech therapist and learn how to speak without your accent. -_-
Always sad when someone fails while giving his best. Maybe she needs to slow down the talking speed a little and work on her accent, but that's not a big deal.
Anyway i think it was a big challenge for her, and whatever happens now she at least gave it a try, which is nice and should diserve a little respect.
On March 10 2011 05:11 Chill wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't buy the trial thing? Who would fly to Korea for a 1 month job trial?
Many players have done it, and just to have a longshot at qualifying for a grueling tournament that, if they perform well in, may land them in an even more difficult tournament that, if they place near the top of, will pay out enough to cover their travel and living expenses.
I mean: would you say the same thing about Torch?
Do you think they told her straight up "We will try you for one month and then get someone else to replace you and then maybe bring you back?" Maybe they did, but I never heard anything about this trial stuff until she was unpopular. It sounds like she fired and they just called it "her trial being up" but I'm obviously ignorant of the entire situation.
Yeah that could be true; I'm not sure exactly when GOM announced they'd be "rotating casters". If that was just a line to set up for sending Kelly off prematurely and on good terms: good PR trick by GOM. I guess we'll never know what the original terms of Kelly's employment were, but if GOM does actually start rotating casters from here out it'll lend some credence to the "trial" story.
Edit: here is the post from John explaining that GOM is rotating casters. It's from just yesterday! The timing sure does make your story look good Chill.
thanks for the link, eviltomahawk
The only thing that makes that theory feel a bit dodgy to me is Moletrap's video. It must have taken a substantial amount of time for him to iron things out and I hate to think he would lie to the community even for a job (though it's a fantastic opportunity)! Chill's theory makes me sad because I hate corporate conspiracies, but it seems equally likely.
I don't get a lot of things people are saying in this thread.
A lot of people are saying that most of the hate directed at Kelly was simply due to the fact that she wasn't Artosis/Tasteless. This is just flat out wrong.
A lot of people are assuming people only dislike her because of her accent. This is just flat out wrong.
Personally, I find her voice awful to listen to and it's actually painful to listen to her cast. But, I could get past this. Klazart's voice irrtitated the hell out of me initially, but once I actually started listening to what he was saying I got over it because he's a good caster.
Kelly's problem is that she has absolutely no game sense, and anyone who disagrees with that is purely white knighting her. If you watch any of her casts you will see this instantly. The major example from today is her saying that Alicia could come back because he had 20 probes, even though he was 140 food behind. Things like this, statements that are just flat out wrong, demonstrate how little she understands the game.
Doa is only slightly better, but at least his voice is pleasing to listen to. Doa could be a play-by-play commentator and I would have no issue with it, but at the moment the current combination of casters is awful as, together, I'd say they have a platinum league level of understanding.
This is, at the moment, the biggest Starcraft tournament in the world. They need the best casters they can get. By having two people casting who obviously aren't good at the game it just looks unprofessional. They need someone with a lot of game sense/knowledge who is able to provide deep, through analysis into the game that even the average diamond/master player wouldn't realise until mentioned. They can have someone like Doa/Kelly doing play-by-play, that's fine, but that play-by-play caster needs a voice that everyone can understand and they need to be supported by someone who has an amazing understanding of the game otherwise it just won't work. You simply can't put two platinum level casters together and expect good results.
Still, at the end of the day things can only go up from here. With Moletrap apparently going to Korea to cast Code A things are looking up. On the other hand, they could invite someone like hd or husky to commentate and then I'll stop watching the GSL all together.
On March 10 2011 05:26 Chill wrote: Okay, so my new theory is:
1. GOM selected DoA and Moletrap to be casters. 2. They couldn't make it immediately because of real life; Kelly could. 3. They hired Kelly immediately, made up this story about trials. 4. Moletrap scheduled to come, they said trial over.
Maybe not true, but at least I can justify the logic in my head as opposed to the current things GOM are saying.
You don't think they hired Kelly indefinitely, but backed off and brought Moletrap in once the community blew up over it? And are now using the bit about trial casters to make Kelly's departure look better for both GOM and Kelly?
It's certainly possible and does make more sense. I'm modifying the theory!
GOM Evil Theory rev. 2.1: 1. GOM puts out a call for casters and reviews all applicants 2. GOM focuses on availability moreso than ability. 3. Kelly is the most available and is hired immediately and openly. 4. DoA is also hired but requires a month due to real life. 5. Kelly has largely negative feedback. 6. GOM announces the "trial" and contacts Moletrap. 7. Moletrap announces he will go to Korea. 8. The trial period ends.
What do you think? BTW I've been playing a lot of Phoenix Wright hahaha.
On March 10 2011 05:27 FabledIntegral wrote: I'm not sure why people are getting banned over the insults - sure they could say it nicer...
Saying inflammatory things with nothing else to add doesn't bring much to the discussion. It only bring more similar useless posts until it devolves into a rage-fest and destroys real discussion.
On March 10 2011 05:14 Termit wrote: Really, she isnt that good of a caster. Some people are just not ment to be casters and Kellys high pitched voice is not a good caster voice. But if she still wanna be a professional caster she should: 1. Take voice lessons. 2. Get a neutral accent. 3. Learn how to pronounce units correctly, "the race cars"... cmon.
It's also nice in a way that people give her some shit because to many females has it to easy in esports just because they are girls.
Once you're older than 15 your accent in a second or third language sticks with you. If you are younger you will get rid of it or learn to speak the language without the accent, once you are past that age any language you learn will have an accent. "Get a neutral accent" by far the dumbest most ignorant thing I have seen in a while.
Dude, are you dumb? Why do you think every sports caster has the same accent, because they come from the same pond? No because they learn how to get rid of there horrible accent. Just because you're over 15 years old and doesn't have english as your native language it isn't impossible to remove your accent. Haha...
You shouldn't call someone dumb and then reply with a post full of grammatical errors. That simply points out that you're an idiot well before you even have the chance to confirm that you're an idiot through the idiotic point you try to make.
When people are past a certain age, and have to learn a new language, they will retain an accent.
Sportscasters don't have to learn a new language, unless you know of a sports station that's crawling with non-native speakers? You can learn to alter your inflection/tone of voice, but you can't beat an accent in most cases.
Unfortunately, the Asian accent is not super appealing...not really much she can do about that.
ps: So when is Total Buscuit coming over? Or is he too high profile to do code A's?
I honestly think her gender has nothing or very little to do with it so that quote from the newspaper article is pretty disappointing.
Sad for her of course and obviously people can say this was supposed to happen and it was a "trial period" but i agree with Chill that i doubt if there was a high possibility that GOM might keep her, i doubt they will send her home. They will probably make her learn more about how things are run, make her improve her game knowledge and casting skills and test her from time to time to see how well she works with other casters. I might be proven wrong of course. We shall see.
In any case, it might be a little cruel but ultimately casters are professional job and considering the success of a lot of casters, they are one of the biggest pull factor of a tournament. Like day9 adds at least 5000 viewers to any tournaments that he casts. I would probably not pay as much attention to GSL if Tastosis were totally gone. Husky and HD are another example.
Therefore, deciding a code A caster must be based on merit and not sympathy. Introducing SC2 to friends were easy because Day9/Tastosis/inControl/Husky were clear , exciting , and charming. Can't say the same with code A this season.
People "raging" and having an outpour of reaction to to show their displeasure towards a certain caster/commentator is common in mainstream sport. Customers are entitled to this right. Then again, people can never be truly satisfied and it will be good if we are not overly critical to everyone just because they are not day9/tastosis. Keep everything constructive and not flame casters just because we can.
On March 10 2011 05:26 Chill wrote: Okay, so my new theory is:
1. GOM selected DoA and Moletrap to be casters. 2. They couldn't make it immediately because of real life; Kelly could. 3. They hired Kelly immediately, made up this story about trials. 4. Moletrap scheduled to come, they said trial over.
Maybe not true, but at least I can justify the logic in my head as opposed to the current things GOM are saying.
Maaaayybeeee but still Occam's Razor says she's fired and GOM decided to do it in a classy way saying "trial".
Well , at least there will be more Sc2 talk in GSL LR threads next season...
Lol Occam's Razor doesn't say that at all. It's not even applicable. Nice try though, you almost looked smart.
On March 10 2011 05:26 Chill wrote: Okay, so my new theory is:
1. GOM selected DoA and Moletrap to be casters. 2. They couldn't make it immediately because of real life; Kelly could. 3. They hired Kelly immediately, made up this story about trials. 4. Moletrap scheduled to come, they said trial over.
Maybe not true, but at least I can justify the logic in my head as opposed to the current things GOM are saying.
You don't think they hired Kelly indefinitely, but backed off and brought Moletrap in once the community blew up over it? And are now using the bit about trial casters to make Kelly's departure look better for both GOM and Kelly?
It's certainly possible and does make more sense. I'm modifying the theory!
GOM Evil Theory rev. 2.1: 1. GOM puts out a call for casters and reviews all applicants 2. GOM focuses on availability moreso than ability. 3. Kelly is the most available and is hired immediately and openly. 4. DoA is also hired but requires a month due to real life. 5. Kelly has largely negative feedback. 6. GOM announces the "trial" and contacts Moletrap. 7. Moletrap announces he will go to Korea. 8. The trial period ends.
What do you think? BTW I've been playing a lot of Phoenix Wright hahaha.
You're patching quite quickly their Chill, maybe Blizzard can take a page out of the Chill book.
I haven't watched code A since she started casting. I don't agree with people saying horrible things about her but it's just very frustrating for a lot of people when there is such a big decline in quality. Doa did amazingly good for a first time GSL caster. It's not just because he has a more understable accent, it's just that he is better at what he is doing.
On March 10 2011 05:14 Termit wrote: Really, she isnt that good of a caster. Some people are just not ment to be casters and Kellys high pitched voice is not a good caster voice. But if she still wanna be a professional caster she should: 1. Take voice lessons. 2. Get a neutral accent. 3. Learn how to pronounce units correctly, "the race cars"... cmon.
It's also nice in a way that people give her some shit because to many females has it to easy in esports just because they are girls.
Once you're older than 15 your accent in a second or third language sticks with you. If you are younger you will get rid of it or learn to speak the language without the accent, once you are past that age any language you learn will have an accent. "Get a neutral accent" by far the dumbest most ignorant thing I have seen in a while.
Dude, are you dumb? Why do you think every sports caster has the same accent, because they come from the same pond? No because they learn how to get rid of there horrible accent. Just because you're over 15 years old and doesn't have english as your native language it isn't impossible to remove your accent. Haha...
Hm, I'm posting this because this post makes me believe some education may be needed:
Basically, children are very capable of changing pronounciation and learning a new language based on their surroundings. This ability declines with age. It may not be impossible but it may actually be more than you can reasonably ask for.
That is not a defence of any specific person. And it's not saying that you should accept how someone speaks english just because they can't be asked to change their accent. But it does mean that you can't continue making posts like that.
It's children that are like under 4. Not 15 like that poster was saying, and you can most definitely get rid of accents, whoever said you couldn't is ridiculous. It's not completely effective, but that's what all the Indians have to go through when they want to be tech support for Dell and stuff (not like I can understand them anyways )
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