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I'm glad she's not casting the GSL anymore. I could understand her perfectly, the accent doesn't bother me. The problem is I can't stand her voice when she is casting, it disagrees so strongly with my ears. And as much as you white-knighters would love to say, it's not because she's a woman(I liked lilsusi) nor is it because I'm a racist( <3 SDM & monkey milk).
She has great personality and loves StarCraft 2, that's awesome. I don't watch the GSL for any insight so her game knowledge(one way or the other) doesn't make any difference to me, and I thought she meshed pretty well with the other casters. It's just the actual sound of her voice when she is casting is like nails on a chalkboard to me. I do hope she continues to pursue her passion for gaming because it's people like her who really help professional gaming grow.
And to the people wagging their fingers across the internet saying shame on you, lulz.
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Kelly got to try out because she:
1) Submitted an application
2) Is relatively well known in the community and has casted at broadcasted events before
3) Had the free time and financial means to travel to Korea
There are not a lot of people who fit those criteria, it shouldn't be a surprise that Kelly got a chance.
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On March 11 2011 06:39 Sein wrote: If anything, her being a female softened the criticisms she received.
That was 1/2 of what I said in the post you were referencing. Some members of the community reacted more gently to her than they should have, and some members of the community reacted more harshly to her than they should have. Either way, (I'm trying to avoid fulfilling Ashly Burch's dream of having a legitimate discussion about sexism on a video gaming website, because this isn't the thread for it) much of the commentary on her felt like it was starting from a biased place and going from there - it didn't feel honest.
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On March 11 2011 07:32 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 06:39 Sein wrote: If anything, her being a female softened the criticisms she received. That was 1/2 of what I said in the post you were referencing. Some members of the community reacted more gently to her than they should have, and some members of the community reacted more harshly to her than they should have. Either way, (I'm trying to avoid fulfilling Ashly Burch's dream of having a legitimate discussion about sexism on a video gaming website, because this isn't the thread for it) much of the commentary on her felt like it was starting from a biased place and going from there - it didn't feel honest.
Why do you continuously accuse the community of hating women? We actually don't. We just don't like sub par casters ruining our GSL experience.
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Unfortunate she has been pressured into leaving by the community and its unpleasant for her, but really the backlash is not completely unjustified and if people are not enjoying her work then this is the only way it was going to end.
I personally think she was "OK" but if people didnt like her they didnt like her, nothing they can do about it.
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On March 11 2011 07:34 TrollLisk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 07:32 Vega62a wrote:On March 11 2011 06:39 Sein wrote: If anything, her being a female softened the criticisms she received. That was 1/2 of what I said in the post you were referencing. Some members of the community reacted more gently to her than they should have, and some members of the community reacted more harshly to her than they should have. Either way, (I'm trying to avoid fulfilling Ashly Burch's dream of having a legitimate discussion about sexism on a video gaming website, because this isn't the thread for it) much of the commentary on her felt like it was starting from a biased place and going from there - it didn't feel honest. Why do you continuously accuse the community of hating women? We actually don't. We just don't like sub par casters ruining our GSL experience.
Why do you misinterpret me? I don't think the community hates women at all. I think there are double standards that exist in this world, and sometimes some groups of people are treated differently than others in certain contexts.
I'm actually going to stop talking about this right now, though, because I seem to have inadvertantly derailed the thread.
Final thoughts: I hope Kelly comes back 
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Everything D_K knight said is Spot on. She did talk a lot less around Artosis, her commentary was somewhat childish in the sense that she would change topics and give "High Fives", she prematurely called "Good game" before it was over.
With that said, I think the community is selling itself short. There is such a thing as a talented female caster and there are plenty of them. I believe that fans did not know what they were missing and were so mesmerized (the kindest of the words I could use here) by a female caster, even though she had very limited casting ability.
I think it was also a red flag that her own countrymen from Singapore did not like her. There wasn't even neutrality on this issue, either. What do you think is going to happen when she is exposed to the whole world, given her reputation as caster in her country of origin?
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NemEU I agree with you, but why should we settle for OK?
A person of any gender, ethnicity, age should have to perform their job well. If this the job is not performed well, changes should be made. And if those changes are not made, then they should lose their job.
Personally I think it's patronizing to say we should be less harsh on our criticism of her performance, if the goal is to have equality in all of these areas.
And again, why should we settle for OK? Erik is doing a phenomenal job, mainly because hes' professional and well-prepared; two things that Kelly could have and did not improve upon
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On this issue of equality, it seems to me you cannot have both equality and protection from that equality. Some people have commented on the misogynistic nature of the posts and the "hating of women". But why can't I, an informed viewer, be critical of a women in the same way I am critical of a man?
When some people suggest that criticizing a woman is "woman hating", how are we as a society supposed to have notions of equality?
It's not that the vast majority of people here hate women, it's that the vast majority of people hate Terrible casting.
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- It's not because she's a woman
- it's not because she's asian
- it's not because she lacks game knowledge
- it's not because I can't understand her English
- it's not because she goes off-topic
- it's not because there's no chemistry with other casters
It's because her voice is so high-pitched that it's incredibly annoying. I'm usually very tolerant, but this was like hearing something scream when it gets slaughtered (that was when there was something happening in the game).
I don't like the people here who say that I'm sexist, or evil, or troll, or say that I have to wait and she'll get better. Which she won't because her voice won't change. She's not made for casting, period.
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There's a caster on ragequit.tv (his name escapes me) who isn't really that good at analysis, and in addition has a speech impediment.
Sometimes the presence of one negative thing serves to amplify the others. Due to the fact that I already disagree with what he's saying, the fact that he's saying it with a speech impediment just serves to make me more disappointed with his commentary.
The same probably is what's happening with Kelly: she's talking over her co-casters, screaming much too quickly when she's excited, saying gg prematurely and exhibiting other annoying caster no-nos, which aggravates people even further when combined with a heavier-than-expected accent.
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she did a good job i hope she comes back
haters gonna hate
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On March 11 2011 07:39 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 07:34 TrollLisk wrote:On March 11 2011 07:32 Vega62a wrote:On March 11 2011 06:39 Sein wrote: If anything, her being a female softened the criticisms she received. That was 1/2 of what I said in the post you were referencing. Some members of the community reacted more gently to her than they should have, and some members of the community reacted more harshly to her than they should have. Either way, (I'm trying to avoid fulfilling Ashly Burch's dream of having a legitimate discussion about sexism on a video gaming website, because this isn't the thread for it) much of the commentary on her felt like it was starting from a biased place and going from there - it didn't feel honest. Why do you continuously accuse the community of hating women? We actually don't. We just don't like sub par casters ruining our GSL experience. Why do you misinterpret me? I don't think the community hates women at all. I think there are double standards that exist in this world, and sometimes some groups of people are treated differently than others in certain contexts. I'm actually going to stop talking about this right now, though, because I seem to have inadvertantly derailed the thread. Final thoughts: I hope Kelly comes back
It's actually quite sad that her, and supporters like yourself seem to have to fall back on the sexism card to stay relevant. To interpret you correctly, the community did not apply double standards to Kelly. It is quite simple, you generally do not want a non-native English speaker as an English narrator or commentator. Add to that that GSL is the premier league not only of Starcraft, but of e-sports in general. I really have to admit that even giving her a chance was extremely questionable, and the only reason I can see behind it is nobody else stepping up to take the job, as some others have pointed out. Then again add to that her incompetence in Starcraft 2 game knowledge, which too should be expected from such a league, and for someone with her characteristics, should be a must to overcome all the other negatives.
This is not Kelly-exclusive, any other caster would have been looked at under the same loop. She was not the right person for the job, wish her luck on future endeavors.
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On March 11 2011 07:41 WorldTraveleR wrote:
Everything D_K knight said is Spot on. She did talk a lot less around Artosis, her commentary was somewhat childish in the sense that she would change topics and give "High Fives", she prematurely called "Good game" before it was over.
I'm not really going to defend Kelly as I'm indifferent to her staying or going but um, didn't you just describe exactly what Tastosis does on a regular basis? They have called 'gg' dozens and dozens of times prematurely to look silly at the end (MKP vs. Nada anyone?). They are completely childish at times, but that's why we love them. Kelly isn't anywhere near as good as them and I'm not saying she is, but let's be fair here.
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It feels kind of unpleasant to post this as genuine criticism (and dislike) of her casting gets mixed with the incessant hate posts that get countered by even more incessant anti-hate hate posts and it all ends up looking like one big hate-fest that she doesn't deserve in any way, but I honestly won't miss her casting in the GSL.
To me personally, she comes off as somebody who is enthusiastic and hard working, and even assuming she can eventually improve in her game knowledge, she just doesn't seem to have the personality and talent for the job.
I mean, even out of the 3 female casters I've heard in SC2 so far, she's leagues behind Eleine (GLHF caster, she's their best caster imo) and Soe is better as well imo.
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On March 10 2011 10:49 Teivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:43 Khaymus wrote:
This is what Starcraft 2 has done to the community.
The internet is a shitty place. People act like complete fucks because they can get away with it. Starcraft 1 community was great because we all loved something that very few people did...we all GOT IT. We understood what we loved was a beautiful thing...and didn't bitch about everything.
Starcraft 2 has made this game very very popular...and with popularity comes the internet. People on the internet are complete fucks which in turn make anything that is popular have a community of fucks.
Screw you internet...another reason to hate you on a daily basis. So glad all of my hobbies have to revolve around this cess pool. "hey guys im part of a small group of people and no one else is allowed to play this and when they do come I'm going to cry about it to remind them that i'm tuFF" actually its people like you, the ones who CARE too much, that make the internet stupid. Kelly was a terrible caster, close your eyes and don't watch what is going on and then try to listen to her without a bias opinion. You will agree Of course you're just someone on the internet, so you'll just say you can understand her. Thats fine even if it is a lie, the majority has no idea what she is saying and it *RUINS* code A when it just becomes you and a bunch of friends mocking Kelly through Skype.
You clearly did not watch SC1. There was no English casting for most of it. I almost miss listening to the crazy Korean Commentators ><
If you understand the game, then you could understand what she was saying just from hearing it in context of the situation....not to mention she will get better with time(even though I could really understand her fine). People are way to unforgiving...
And no...I was completely open to more people joining the SC scene. As long as they were quality people who didn't post garbage. So much for that....
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love the idea of trying out diff casters gom. and it seems like they always listen to their viewer's and thats probably the biggest thing that is sustaining a lot of foreigner's support.
I did think kelly was unfit for the job, but I do hope for the best of her future endeavors.
this is a good news, I can't wait to see who is up next :D
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wow page 47 this eve... 
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry Kelly... at least these threads gives them an output and makes them post here rather then somewhere else... hope it helps that more and more seem to be apologizing  Hope to see you interview more!
"haters are gonna hate"
maybe not..?
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On March 10 2011 17:40 AlphaWhale wrote:
Accents are a perfectly reasonable criteria to be judged on if the job is talking.
Totally agreed. I gave her a chance when she was casting with tasteless or artosis but now that she's alone with Doa I have completely stopped watching Code A. Her commentary just frustrates me to no end. That means I haven't been able to clearly appreciate w/e if anything Doa has to offer, aside from a match I searched of his on youtube.
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On March 10 2011 04:58 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 04:55 Ribbon wrote:On March 10 2011 04:53 DayJP wrote:
OP is completely unreasonable and out of freaking arguments. Branding a near "yall racist" post to kelly's critics (which I am, even got some bans for it) should be punishable as well as "badmouthing" miss kelly milkies
+ Show Spoiler +That's how Singapore seems to be taking it. Is the accent what people generally have problems with? I was more annoyed by the complete lack of Starcraft 2-knowledge. Sexism and racism has nothing to do with anything.
No, that's just how she views it, which is blatantly wrong. It is nothing more than a cop-out.
I read the article and I can tell the writer didn't bother reading all the criticism. Of course he'll paint it how he wants to paint it. That's what the media does.
It's very easy to generalize. -__-
As Gretech mentioned before, the stint was for a season. Now, we get to see the bigger picture. Each candidate will get a chance to do code A for a season and they'll base it off of feedback.
I don't see why they have to drag it out. This doesn't have to be such a lengthy process. From the sound of it they have at least 4 people lined up for the position. I mean seriously, paying customers don't want to see the auditions. They want to see a finished product. You train your casters in-house and go to the tapes. If I were auditioning, I know I certainly wouldn't want to pay my own airfare unless the pay was substantial and the guaranteed money for the 'audition' would be more than enough for living expenses and the airfare.
I think this whole situation by Gretech has been handled very, very poorly.
EDIT: I'm starting to wonder when the whole 'haters going to hate' meme gets banned. If that's all your going to add then perhaps you should take it elsewhere. At least add some substance. Not only is it lazy, but it is borderline ignorant. Show some class. It is as bad as TL;DR.
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