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On March 10 2011 05:16 Dragonsven wrote:
She actually wasn't a bad caster. Her knowledge of the game was about on par with Tasteless. She really just needs someone with good SC2 knowledge like Artosis to commentate with. Her and Tasteless or her and this new guy was worthless. For those saying you couldn't understand her...please. Her accent was thick but it wasn't hard to know what she was saying. I personally found her excitement entertaining.
LOL don't delude yourself.
Tasteless is forced to do play-by-play alongside Artosis. hence him mentioning "i know i usually do the noob stuff when Artosis is here, but i have to mention ->> *analysis*" when casting with Kelly.
Due to this,
all the sc2 noobs think that Tasteless doesn't know much about the game / only does play by play.
when Tasteless did scbw casts he spit mad game knowledge. And actually he knows quite a bit about sc2 as well. He may have been a cheesy brotoss but he is actually very knowledgeable.
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I wish Kelly all the best luck and success in the future .
But i also hope i will never have to listen to her casts again, i just couldn't enjoy them. So glad we finaly maybe get some new casters ^ ^
Was there any new news from Moletrap about this, after he made that video a while back?
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Everyone who actually had trouble understanding her had this trouble because they were too busy whining to hear her talk. if you actually try to listen her accent isn't terrible or indecipherable at all. John the Translator's accent is thicker than hers and everyone loves him.
you're not mad because of her accent. You're not mad because of her casting ability. You're mad because you're mad and you haven't decided whether or not you ever needed a reason other than "Asian girl doing a white man's job"
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On March 10 2011 08:47 -Archangel- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2011 08:09 blk.man.smart wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 07:51 -Archangel- wrote:
You know what people are really good at?
Deluding themselves. Almost nobody will ever admit openly that they are at fault for something but there is always someone else or something else to blame.
I am sure in her mind it was easier to blame others then herself. If she was black I am sure she would blame white people... As someone who is black I find this comment extremely ignorant and inappropriate. Well, people outside USA learn about USA mostly from movies (at least until we start to read stuff on our own). And in the movies black people complaining about the world and blaming it on white people is really prevalent (at least it was when I was growing up). I didn't really mean anything by this, it just popped in my mind as a showing that people will blame anything other then themselves for their mistakes or failures even something as stupid as race (in anthropology there are no races of humans and that is why I called it stupid) or gender.
I see you aren't from the USA and so do not have interaction with black people. Movies and media are a terrible representation, focusing mostly only on negative stereotypes. Really is a shame if this is how people across the world view black people. But I'll take your word for it you didn't mean any harm with the comment.
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A lot of these sympathetic posts are just pointless, it is a fact she can't cast well. She said she'll try her best to improve, not sure how hard she tried, but her diction is still as bad when she first joined GOM.
On March 10 2011 09:12 deesee wrote:
We do NOT have the right to send her death threats or criticize her worth as a human being.
Constructive criticism yes - but this "god-given" right of the paying customer only goes that far.
Another thing is that at least half of the criticisms are objective in nature targeting her flaws which is entirely fine for someone who takes on a "public" job. I'm pretty sure you won't want your newscaster to say "burrow" as "borrow". Using those feel obscure examples of death threats just does not mean you can ignore other valid arguments about her not doing well in her job.
Last thing, god doesn't give you rights, humans do, don't bring religion into an argument unless it is about religion.
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Hmm, hopefully the next caster is better. I really like DOA, but just didn't enjoy Kelly.
I think DOA+Tasteless/Artosis would be pretty awesome.
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I thought kelly was doing a great job, definitely improving and really putting in effort to learn more about the game. I agree with alot of others that her game knowledge seemed to be on par and maybe surpassing Tasteless. Often times I find that what he says is generally incorrect and that he verges of adoring styles that are deceptive (which is okay) but also very cheesy.
For example, one time some guy was doing 3 gate robo push vs T expo, and tasteless was like oh yeah he didnt proxy his robo so it could be closer, he doesnt understand this push. Really? protip: build the robo right in his fucking base so the immortal can flank the Terrans units.
Again, no offense to Tasteless I know he is a committed SC2 community member and does tough stuff like plugging lots of stuff and being a great non technical commentator, but for people saying kelly had no game knowledge, most of what she said seemed pretty correct and I felt was easily on par with Tasteless game knowledge wise, even if it was mostly simple stuff.
Also, maybe cause I'm asian but i could understand her quite easily
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On March 10 2011 08:46 speakerbox wrote:
kelly > doa BY FAR
Troll elsewhere.
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On March 10 2011 09:43 jayt88 wrote:A lot of these sympathetic posts are just pointless, it is a fact she can't cast well. She said she'll try her best to improve, not sure how hard she tried, but her diction is still as bad when she first joined GOM. Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 09:12 deesee wrote:
We do NOT have the right to send her death threats or criticize her worth as a human being.
Constructive criticism yes - but this "god-given" right of the paying customer only goes that far. Another thing is that at least half of the criticisms are objective in nature targeting her flaws which is entirely fine for someone who takes on a "public" job. I'm pretty sure you won't want your newscaster to say "burrow" as "borrow". Using those feel obscure examples of death threats just does not mean you can ignore other valid arguments about her not doing well in her job. Last thing, god doesn't give you rights, humans do, don't bring religion into an argument unless it is about religion.
I think you completely misunderstood me.
"God-given" was a sarcastic noting of the tendency for people to suggest that since they were paying for the stream they deserved EVERYTHING. Don't ignore the context quote in there.
I'm one of the people saying there ARE valid criticisms, dude.
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Am I really the only person who was just glad to have someone who wasn't tasteless or artosis casting every once in a while?
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and you believe that? lol
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On March 10 2011 09:42 Eknoid4 wrote:
Everyone who actually had trouble understanding her had this trouble because they were too busy whining to hear her talk. if you actually try to listen her accent isn't terrible or indecipherable at all. John the Translator's accent is thicker than hers and everyone loves him.
you're not mad because of her accent. You're not mad because of her casting ability. You're mad because you're mad and you haven't decided whether or not you ever needed a reason other than "Asian girl doing a white man's job"
People like you should get banned.
Also, John wasn't hired to interview people, he was hired for other things and ended up interviewing people because he can speak english decently well. Kelly was hired to cast in English.
Yes, you could say Gom could hire in someone else to do the interviews, but saying "John gets special treatment" is because John wasn't hired specifically for the job that we see him doing every day. He does other things too and we're lucky to have him around to do the interviews, and other community work.
Also, Eleine Sun is a great female asian caster. Nothing wrong with having females cast, or asians cast (she even casts with a male asian). Assuming people have a problem with Kelly because of her race and sex makes you even more judgemental than the people you are calling sexist and racist. You can't get over the fact that she's female and asian, so that's the only thing you can understand people having a problem with.
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On March 10 2011 09:48 deesee wrote:
I think you completely misunderstood me.
"God-given" was a sarcastic noting of the tendency for people to suggest that since they were paying for the stream they deserved EVERYTHING. Don't ignore the context quote in there.
I'm one of the people saying there ARE valid criticisms, dude.
I see, my apologies then.
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So, people like me should get banned, but an entire lynch mob of people whining, fretting, and talking constant shit about someone who is doing a job better than they could should all be able to collectively try to convince the world that they hate someone because of her accent in a tournament hosted in non-english speaking country? All the while just coincidentally not noticing every other thick and difficult accent to understand because Artosis is talking so loud over them they may as well not talk.
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On March 10 2011 09:55 Eknoid4 wrote:
So, people like me should get banned, but an entire lynch mob of people whining, fretting, and talking constant shit about someone who is doing a job better than they could should all be able to collectively try to convince the world that they hate someone because of her accent in a tournament hosted in non-english speaking country? All the while just coincidentally not noticing every other thick and difficult accent to understand because Artosis is talking so loud over them they may as well not talk.
People like you who think the only reason people would have a problem with someone is because they are xenophobic sexists.
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On March 10 2011 09:51 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 09:42 Eknoid4 wrote:
Everyone who actually had trouble understanding her had this trouble because they were too busy whining to hear her talk. if you actually try to listen her accent isn't terrible or indecipherable at all. John the Translator's accent is thicker than hers and everyone loves him.
you're not mad because of her accent. You're not mad because of her casting ability. You're mad because you're mad and you haven't decided whether or not you ever needed a reason other than "Asian girl doing a white man's job" People like you should get banned. Also, John wasn't hired to interview people, he was hired for other things and ended up interviewing people because he can speak english decently well. Kelly was hired to cast in English. Yes, you could say Gom could hire in someone else to do the interviews, but saying "John gets special treatment" is because John wasn't hired specifically for the job that we see him doing every day. He does other things too and we're lucky to have him around to do the interviews, and other community work.
Really need to quote this for truth.
I don't know whose more ridiculous, the people who send her death threats because they can't understand her accent that well, or the people who refuse to believe a large amount of people can't understand her sometimes.
Every couple of things she says I have to rethink over what was just said to figure out what she was trying to convey. That is not acceptable for an English caster casting primarily to English-speaking audiences on a fast-paced game where details matter. I don't hate her, I don't hate Singapore, females, or Asians... but when I have to retrace her words every couple of sentences to understand what she says... its an unnecessary nuisance. I don't get whats so hard to understand about that.
Oh wait nvm it is because I'm a sexist and racist... get over yourself.
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On March 10 2011 09:56 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 09:55 Eknoid4 wrote:
So, people like me should get banned, but an entire lynch mob of people whining, fretting, and talking constant shit about someone who is doing a job better than they could should all be able to collectively try to convince the world that they hate someone because of her accent in a tournament hosted in non-english speaking country? All the while just coincidentally not noticing every other thick and difficult accent to understand because Artosis is talking so loud over them they may as well not talk. People like you who think the only reason people would have a problem with someone is because they are xenophobic sexists.
I can't tell if you are being ironic on purpose or not.
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On March 10 2011 10:00 Eknoid4 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 09:56 Lonyo wrote:On March 10 2011 09:55 Eknoid4 wrote:
So, people like me should get banned, but an entire lynch mob of people whining, fretting, and talking constant shit about someone who is doing a job better than they could should all be able to collectively try to convince the world that they hate someone because of her accent in a tournament hosted in non-english speaking country? All the while just coincidentally not noticing every other thick and difficult accent to understand because Artosis is talking so loud over them they may as well not talk. People like you who think the only reason people would have a problem with someone is because they are xenophobic sexists. I can't tell if you are being ironic on purpose or not.
"You're mad because you're mad and you haven't decided whether or not you ever needed a reason other than "Asian girl doing a white man's job""
Your words. Or were you meaning something else?
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without trying to flame or troll,
im wondering how much dislike of KellyMilkies is from
1. game knowledge
2. Because she is a girl
3. fanboyism for other casters
4. The bw vs the new sc2 community
as opposed to her accent
My stance is that I dont mind kelly as a caster, i think that perhaps she wasnt brilliant with tastostis since tasteless and artosis already have such amazing rapport together, and it's something we have grown use to hearing. I think it is really difficult to now see Tasteless or Artosis in any other relationship anymore. And Kelly was definitely not good with doa as doa's smooth, slick sports-like commentary doesnt match kelly's much more raw and perhaps laid-back styled of commentating.
Im not too much of a fan of the singapore accent, but i think Kelly's isnt too bad and is quite understandable.
I dont think Kelly's accent is any worse than someone like SuperDanielMan who was/is one of the best casters and most hilarious casters around.
Outside of the asian accents, Rotterdam or TLO's casting in the IEM is thick and often hard to understand but still seems fine.
In that respect, I think the dislike of Kelly would be either caused by
1. lack of game knowledge (which tbh, as she progressed, she didnt seem too bad; and at the very least would be the same (id say better than) Husky or HD)
2. that she is a girl (there's people like Frosty or Soe) although im not too sure how well they're received (well outside of the looks department)...i'll let the liberal arts students debate on feminist theories.
3. Everyone loves Day[9], it feels like we'd be betraying him by siding with any other casters aside from Tastosis, which even then may be alright as the love is still kept in the family
4. perhaps there has been polarisation of broodwar community having casts from people of a multitude of accents, and perhaps being more acceptable of kelly's accent, or perhaps broodwar community being more elitist and disliking changes to their much stricter game-knowledge/nerd-joke typed commentary.
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On March 10 2011 09:55 Eknoid4 wrote:
So, people like me should get banned, but an entire lynch mob of people whining, fretting, and talking constant shit about someone who is doing a job better than they could should all be able to collectively try to convince the world that they hate someone because of her accent in a tournament hosted in non-english speaking country? All the while just coincidentally not noticing every other thick and difficult accent to understand because Artosis is talking so loud over them they may as well not talk.
Please, be objective for a change.
- What evidence is there that she's doing a better job? If she was there would be no criticisms. Think about that for a sec.
- She's not even from the non-english speaking country you're talking about. Furthermore, her role is to commentate in English, to a demographic of western (read: non-singaporean) English speakers. Her accent is a big issue.
- There haven't been any other difficult accents recruited for long-term casting at GOM. None. She's the first with this problem.
You call us with these reasonable, thought-out opinions a lynch mob and tell us we just hate her while spouting nonsense. This might be why somebody wants you banned.
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