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On March 10 2011 10:11 ReaperX wrote: Some people really are inconsiderate and immature. Unbelievable.
Why am I inconsiderate or immature again? Because I am have a difficult time understanding her?
Can't wait to see who we have to replace her. Maybe we will get Doa with Artosis/Tasteless for a little bit.
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the way some people treated her really pissed me off. i hope kelly returns because at least it was a bit less of a saucage fest with her. and on top of that, if gom constantly keeps switching casters you'll never get a duo like tastosis because people cant grow used to them...
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On March 10 2011 10:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:18 Maynarde wrote: What's with all this "tried her best" and "didn't work out" nonsense? Read the OP. She was planning to return to Singapore before she even started, they're trying out casters. Period.
We may very well see her again. Considering the community reaction, I would say that is most unlikely. GOM had to start locking every thread with the word Kelly in it because the user base was not pleased and it was swamping their forum with criticism.
Agreed.
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God people are being so ridiculous about this whole thing. "OMG YOU HATE HER JUST CAUSE SHE'S A GIRL/ASIAN, STOP BEING SO SEXIST/RACIST"
She put in a good effort, seemed to do well under pressure and was quite motivated, but the bottom line is, she was hard to understand and came off as not very knowledgeable about the game in a lot of cases. It has literally nothing to do with her gender or race. Some people just aren't suited for certain things no matter how much effort they put in or how nice they are.
I don't agree with the people blatantly flaming her and being completely immature about the entire thing, obviously it's wrong to do that. But I also think that the reaction of the people trying to defend her is almost just as bad, trying to tell people with calm, sensible opinions that they're wrong for having an opinion just because it's actually negative for once. People are getting attacked in this thread for having a negative opinion about her, by people who seem to be defending her just for the sake of defending.
I hope she continues to cast online as she previously was because there's obviously people who enjoy her casting as well, and when there is a choice in what casters to pick from in an environment like the internet then there's no reason to complain. But on a grand stage like GOM where professionalism is striven for, unfortunately there are better casters to hire. I wish her luck in her future work and whatever else she does.
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Ohh man, seems like a lot of you guys have not worked in a business industry yet, Brace yourself if you think this is immature and unpolite lol.
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I for one did not watch Code A because i did not like her casting... I am not going to attack her personally. I am not trying to be a jerk but I just did not prefer her casting hopefully they replace her with someone great. I wish her luck with whatever she does in the future some people are just not cut out for casting oh well move on.
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She was no great commentator. I welcome this news. It's the GSL goddamn it, its not that I don't think kelly one day could be a awesome caster if she puts her heart to it, but she should start with some smaller tourneys and contribute to the community for a few years. I mean Artosis and Tasteless basicly gave their heart and lives to startcraft for over a decade now, and I think it will be hard to find someone who can be compared and tolerated as a help for them.
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If anyone wants a fun project, go through everyone who is "sad to see her go" or "thinks this is unfair", and see how many complained about her beforehand. It's like watching kids play with fire, and when they finally get burned, wonder why.
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Kelly's accent / pronunciation is understandable for the most part (even "funny" pronunciation of words are clearly understandable), but when she gets excited, I can't understand what she is saying. It all sounds like a blur, if you know what I mean. If she can fix that, then there isn't really much left to do other than to develop 'caster sense', if you will, of SC2.
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The SC2 community is absolute shit. I've heard that the BW community was awesome and that the team liquid website was soo cool and everyone was so nice. That's just not true. No point in even being on here anymore. Oh well, at least it's an easy way to find streams.
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On March 10 2011 10:25 B.I.G. wrote: the way some people treated her really pissed me off. i hope kelly returns because at least it was a bit less of a saucage fest with her. and on top of that, if gom constantly keeps switching casters you'll never get a duo like tastosis because people cant grow used to them...
They aren't switching forever. Only until they find the perfect 2. Then they'll cast forever. And ever.
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On March 10 2011 10:05 jayt88 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 09:55 Eknoid4 wrote: So, people like me should get banned, but an entire lynch mob of people whining, fretting, and talking constant shit about someone who is doing a job better than they could should all be able to collectively try to convince the world that they hate someone because of her accent in a tournament hosted in non-english speaking country? All the while just coincidentally not noticing every other thick and difficult accent to understand because Artosis is talking so loud over them they may as well not talk. By people he meant just you, because you are alone in being devoid of logic. The job is meant for people fluent in English, hence you have Artosis and Tasteless (both fluent in English). Pointing out that it is hosted in a non-English speaking country does not even matter, are you saying you can condone pathetic English commentators for the China Olympics or other international events not held in an English speaking country? People are not whining, they are making a point that she is bad or at least not up to par for the job. The criticisms are constant because the problem is constant, if she got better of course they would die down (some trolls will still continue). Last thing, accent is only part of the problem, her diction and pronunciation, failure to connect with co-caster and also occasional lack of knowledge (this factor is not a big issue in my opinion) are majority of the issues that have been pointed out. So don't just choose what you think you can refute and make a fool of yourself.
For the record, Kelly IS fluent in English. She just has a Singaporean accent. Like how people in England speak fluent English with a British accent, etc.
That makes me wonder, would there be this kind of a backlash to a British caster? Australian? New Yorker?
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Moletrap! Moletrap! Moletrap! I am hoping we get to see him soon
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On March 10 2011 10:34 Selith wrote: Kelly's accent / pronunciation is understandable for the most part (even "funny" pronunciation of words are clearly understandable), but when she gets excited, I can't understand what she is saying. It all sounds like a blur, if you know what I mean. If she can fix that, then there isn't really much left to do other than to develop 'caster sense', if you will, of SC2. This is true at least for me because I'm from the same country but why are we settling for understandable English in the top sc2 league?
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On March 10 2011 10:35 Buff345 wrote: The SC2 community is absolute shit. I've heard that the BW community was awesome and that the team liquid website was soo cool and everyone was so nice. That's just not true. No point in even being on here anymore. Oh well, at least it's an easy way to find streams.
Go cry more, some people pay for those streams this is a capitalistic nation we pay for what we want. Its obvious that a very large percentage of people (or just multiple same account posters) did not like/want her at all. For everyone who just says we are all shit, well the truth it hurts but i'm more than happy to keep cyling through casters till GOM finds one that works.
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On March 10 2011 10:37 Diader wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:05 jayt88 wrote:On March 10 2011 09:55 Eknoid4 wrote: So, people like me should get banned, but an entire lynch mob of people whining, fretting, and talking constant shit about someone who is doing a job better than they could should all be able to collectively try to convince the world that they hate someone because of her accent in a tournament hosted in non-english speaking country? All the while just coincidentally not noticing every other thick and difficult accent to understand because Artosis is talking so loud over them they may as well not talk. By people he meant just you, because you are alone in being devoid of logic. The job is meant for people fluent in English, hence you have Artosis and Tasteless (both fluent in English). Pointing out that it is hosted in a non-English speaking country does not even matter, are you saying you can condone pathetic English commentators for the China Olympics or other international events not held in an English speaking country? People are not whining, they are making a point that she is bad or at least not up to par for the job. The criticisms are constant because the problem is constant, if she got better of course they would die down (some trolls will still continue). Last thing, accent is only part of the problem, her diction and pronunciation, failure to connect with co-caster and also occasional lack of knowledge (this factor is not a big issue in my opinion) are majority of the issues that have been pointed out. So don't just choose what you think you can refute and make a fool of yourself. For the record, Kelly IS fluent in English. She just has a Singaporean accent. Like how people in England speak fluent English with a British accent, etc. That makes me wonder, would there be this kind of a backlash to a British caster? Australian? New Yorker?
It depends on how easily understandable it is. It doesn't matter what type of accent it is. Stop trying to call people out on being racist just for having a negative opinion about her.
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I wonder what people here think of TLO's casting, which had a much worse accent than Kelly's imo. I'm 100% American and I could understand Kelly better than TLO at least.
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well shes only going back 2 days early so I don't see what the big deal is
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On March 10 2011 04:48 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 04:46 CrazyCow wrote: Now I can stop watching Code A on mute. You're an asshole. People like you made her leave/get fired (whatever happened). This community has been absolute garbage to her. I honestly feel sorry for Kelly.
What, people cant express their opinions?
It's like any real-life job. You get hired, there's a probationary period where you could get kicked based on your performance, and you see what happens.
What happened was that there was an enormous outrage coming from the foreign viewers (not just native english speakers, her accent makes it harder for those from europe/anyone not from singapore to understand), which hopefully led GOM to reconsider their decision. Kelly is obviously an enthusiastic and happy individual, which isn't why they got rid of her, it's because she doesn't fit the job.
It's akin to having a quadriplegic applying to a job as a firefighter. The heart and the enthusiasm isn't the issue, its the fact that they can't deliver.
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This is what Starcraft 2 has done to the community.
The internet is a shitty place. People act like complete fucks because they can get away with it. Starcraft 1 community was great because we all loved something that very few people did...we all GOT IT. We understood what we loved was a beautiful thing...and didn't bitch about everything.
Starcraft 2 has made this game very very popular...and with popularity comes the internet. People on the internet are complete fucks which in turn make anything that is popular have a community of fucks.
Screw you internet...another reason to hate you on a daily basis. So glad all of my hobbies have to revolve around this cess pool.
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