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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
March 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#241
Aww man, i really enjoyed her casts with Tasteless!!

Good luck to Kelly in what she'll be doing!! <3
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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
March 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#242
On March 10 2011 05:47 kirbynator wrote:
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On March 10 2011 04:47 Dudemeister wrote:
For being the most tolerant and mature community out there, we really fucked up this time!


we fucked up?

what needed to happen, happened. there is nothing else to say, sorry for her but her voice is not made for casting, talent or knowledge aside.


Amen. Now I can unmute Code A.

Artosis and Tasteless duo works mainly because Artosis keeps the discussion going while tasteless acts a fool and it's pretty entertaining. With Kelly, I think she threw the dynamic off and it was most apparent when she was with the new guy. It felt a little too quiet and i felt like they were missing a lot of the action.
DestroManiak
Profile Joined December 2010
257 Posts
March 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#243
the main reason I watch the gsl is tastosis, but I supppose the archon will not cast code A ever again right?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
March 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#244
Thank GOD. Her voice and accent were slightly more tolerable than her ability to express her game knowledge and things that happen on the screen, which is more important. Oh man. I hope she won't cast code a finals. The match looks way too good.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 20:53:22
March 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#245
I think this is the right way to go about finding a suitable caster with having these tryout periods. Trying people out in actual working conditions is the ultimate test to see if they are up for the job or not. It's a very sensible move by gom and I support it.
Do you really want chat rooms?
hidiliho
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada685 Posts
March 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#246
On March 10 2011 05:46 NikonTC wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:42 hidiliho wrote:
Sad day from Esports.

Some of you really need to learn the history of Esports and know how lucky you are that there are more and more English speaking casters out there.

I not loving this new Generation. There is a percentage of this generation that seem to think they are ENTITLED to everything.

A lot of us watched Streams/Vods with Korean cast. Learn to appreciate what you have.


If people "appreciated what they had" all the time, we'd still be living in caves eating raw snake for dinner. Striving for perfection and trying to achieve dreams is one of the defining characteristics of being human, why stop just "because it's e-sports"? Personally I want e-sports to keep getting bigger and better, not rest on its laurels and coast from now on.


Yes lets all eat raw snakes for dinner.

Would you like your significant other to comments on your Bed Abilities similar to what the 'a-hole percentage' of the community commented about Kelly's casting abilities? But hey she/he is just striving for perfection.

Nothing is wrong with wanting perfection. It's the way you strive for it that makes the difference. Making insulting comments like what I've seen here is not wanting perfection. It's just childish.
I have a dream, that some day I wouldn't see any imba comments in GSL threads.
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
March 09 2011 20:51 GMT
#247
I hate to admit it, but I'm extremely happy about this. She made Code A unwatchable for me.
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NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
March 09 2011 20:52 GMT
#248
On March 10 2011 05:36 JWD wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:34 Chill wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:28 JWD wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:26 Chill wrote:
Okay, so my new theory is:

1. GOM selected DoA and Moletrap to be casters.
2. They couldn't make it immediately because of real life; Kelly could.
3. They hired Kelly immediately, made up this story about trials.
4. Moletrap scheduled to come, they said trial over.

Maybe not true, but at least I can justify the logic in my head as opposed to the current things GOM are saying.

You don't think they hired Kelly indefinitely, but backed off and brought Moletrap in once the community blew up over it? And are now using the bit about trial casters to make Kelly's departure look better for both GOM and Kelly?

It's certainly possible and does make more sense. I'm modifying the theory!

GOM Evil Theory rev. 2.1:
1. GOM puts out a call for casters and reviews all applicants
2. GOM focuses on availability moreso than ability.
3. Kelly is the most available and is hired immediately and openly.
4. DoA is also hired but requires a month due to real life.
5. Kelly has largely negative feedback.
6. GOM announces the "trial" and contacts Moletrap.
7. Moletrap announces he will go to Korea.
8. The trial period ends.

What do you think? BTW I've been playing a lot of Phoenix Wright hahaha.

Yep, I like that theory very much. It's the simplest one that explains everything I know about the situation (is consistent with the statements from GOM and Kelly I've read).

Yeah, it seems as if Chill has a good understanding of evil company minds, almost as if he was an evil overlord....

But seriously, of course they don't just give a year contract to people. The only one I could imagine is Tasteless, but he's been working with GOM during BW too. She did a reasonable job in my opinion and hopefully she continues casting and improving,heck she might just show up as a replacement caster for when Tasteless or Artosis leave fro blizzcon (Or when Artosis makes the NASL finals) and they don't want to give the new Code A casters too much work. Who knows.

But seriously Chill, are you an -snipe-
lolsixtynine
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
March 09 2011 20:52 GMT
#249
On March 10 2011 05:51 Louuster wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:46 nihoh wrote:
If she wants to improve, first thing she needs to do is fix that Singaporean accent. It might be acceptable in Singapore and Malaysia but it's just not acceptable outside that.

Indians speak perfect English grammatically, but would you accept an Indian caster with a thick Indian accent?


Just like Steve Irwin shouldve fixed that Australian accent before being on US tv? Or is that acceptable.


That's acceptable because even thick Australian accents are much more understandable to Americans than most other thick accents.
Erucious
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway393 Posts
March 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#250
To all the people saying "she should unlearn that singaporean accent", you are seriously ignorant.

Ive grown up bilingual (dutch and norwegian) and have no accent in either of these languages because of that. I have dutch friends in norway who have thick accents, as well as my mother and my father (father with a thick dutch accent when he speaks norwegian, and mother vice versa). Theyve spoken "eachothers language" for 15yrs+ and still there is an accent... You cannot unlearn an accent just like that...

For example: Arnold Schwarzenegger has a thick austrian accent - and yet hes played in movies and lived in the US for years.

Either way, her english was perfectly understandable, and english is my 3rd language - seeing canadians and americans complain that they can't understand her says more about your non-experience dealing with non-americans/canadians than her "bad english".

I'm Norwegian/Dutch. Just the awesome parts of them though :D
xenogis
Profile Joined February 2011
United States63 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 20:56:26
March 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#251
She knows what she is talking about but when it comes down to it her pronunciation just isn't as good as it could be. I don't see why people feel so obligated to defend her on this one. How can you argue that the way she speaks is just as easy to understand as the way Tastosis or Doa speaks? I would still prefer her over a caster who doesn't have anything good to say about the game. However, if someone came along with similar game knowledge and a weaker accent they would definitely be a better caster.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
March 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#252
On March 10 2011 05:43 Shikyo wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:10 Doodsmack wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:09 No_Roo wrote:
Just a point on people citing her thick accent and comparing it to other think accents: The distinction to be made with kelly is not just the way the words coming out of her mouth sound, or the value of those words, it's more about the dropped words and combined words. Her spoken sentence structure is extremely difficult to parse _quickly_ due to verb conjugation issues and missing or improper articles etc.

You can test this by transcribing to plain text what she is saying, then reading the text (removing the accent from the equation).

Any way, again, best of luck to her, I am however looking forward to meeting the new caster for next season.



Actually, it's not hard at all to understand what she means. You people need to be around non-whites more often lol

You need to realize not many people are native english-speakers. I have talked English on skype etc. numerous times and needed to fully concentrate to understand what she was saying and it was really hindering the watching experience.

The reason doesn't really matter anyway, aslong as a large enough portion(the size being debatable) of the viewers have issues understanding her, it is definitely not a positive thing and pushes people away which other vice might've been sucked in(it gets more complicated when other region might have easier time understanding her, making that region show more interest). Reason: A new viewer is very unlikely to keep watching if the commentator is hard to understand.

I've said it in other kelly threads, nothing personal, hope she had a great time and wish her the best. Hope someone else gets picked for the job though.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
March 09 2011 20:54 GMT
#253
On March 10 2011 05:48 HankScorpio wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:42 Termit wrote:

Where did I call him dumb? I just asked if he was. Also english isn't my native language so why would I have perfect grammar?


I hope that some day you'll understand the irony in this.

Do you mean that you are dumb if you doesn't have perfect grammar in English? Then many people in this world must be dumb in your eyes.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 09 2011 20:54 GMT
#254
Wow. She was getting a lot better. You don't have to like her, but honestly some of the racist/etc stuff I saw posted was way too offensive. Hope to see you in the future Kelly
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Inky87
Profile Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
March 09 2011 20:54 GMT
#255
On March 10 2011 05:51 Louuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 05:46 nihoh wrote:
If she wants to improve, first thing she needs to do is fix that Singaporean accent. It might be acceptable in Singapore and Malaysia but it's just not acceptable outside that.

Indians speak perfect English grammatically, but would you accept an Indian caster with a thick Indian accent?


Just like Steve Irwin shouldve fixed that Australian accent before being on US tv? Or is that acceptable.


I don't think Steve Irwin was a sports caster ... ever. Nice job comparing apples to pineapples.
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
March 09 2011 20:54 GMT
#256
She did an okay job, not more, not less. I personaly will never get used to her accent - I just don't get half of the things she is saying. Good to know that she enjoyed her stay, at least she had a good time as long as it lasted.
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
March 09 2011 20:54 GMT
#257
On March 10 2011 05:51 Louuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 05:46 nihoh wrote:
If she wants to improve, first thing she needs to do is fix that Singaporean accent. It might be acceptable in Singapore and Malaysia but it's just not acceptable outside that.

Indians speak perfect English grammatically, but would you accept an Indian caster with a thick Indian accent?


Just like Steve Irwin shouldve fixed that Australian accent before being on US tv? Or is that acceptable.


Steve Irwin's accent sounded sort of english to me and it was very easy to understand him. Kelly's accent on the other hand is very thick, hard to understand.
The spice must flow
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 09 2011 20:54 GMT
#258
On March 10 2011 05:51 Louuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 05:46 nihoh wrote:
If she wants to improve, first thing she needs to do is fix that Singaporean accent. It might be acceptable in Singapore and Malaysia but it's just not acceptable outside that.

Indians speak perfect English grammatically, but would you accept an Indian caster with a thick Indian accent?


Just like Steve Irwin shouldve fixed that Australian accent before being on US tv? Or is that acceptable.


Australian accents are obviously acceptable. I don't understand your point. However, if he were a sports caster he would have been immensely less likely to get hired because he had one. But it isn't as hard on the ears or as annoying, and that's all that matters. How annoying the accent is. If her accent was pleasant on the ears, it wouldn't be an issue (although like I said, personally I had a problem with her game knowledge, just as I'm not fond of Tasteless' game knowledge comments either, I believe I have better gamesense/knowledge than both of them).
CarlyZerg
Profile Joined December 2010
United States113 Posts
March 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#259
I liked her well enough, admittedly she was not the greatest caster in the world, but she did have potential. But whatever, I'm sure her replacement will be fine too, if not much better.

What I'll remember most from the KellyMilkies saga is not Kelly herself, but the enormous amount of hate and xenophobia that it produced in a community I normally respect.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 20:55:58
March 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#260
On March 10 2011 05:49 Pudge_172 wrote:
I really enjoyed the turd base and the Terran making tors.

I will truly miss hearing that. Honestly. I liked her because she was DIFFERENT.

TURDBASE! Nevar forget.

GOM is just doing what was planned all along. We didn't cause anything. Yet. Besides, if you step into the public eye you had better be prepared to take shit, however accurate or irrelevant it may be. If you can't you weren't cut out for the job anyway. That Singaporean article seems kind of ridiculous. Blaming the hate on being female among other things is such a fucking cop-out. There's probably at least as many that will forgive a female in such a position for any mistakes and lack of aptitude just because they're female and it causes their pants to itch.
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