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kalleralle
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden183 Posts
March 09 2011 21:00 GMT
#281
It's not that Kelly was bad it's just that Tastosis is soooo awesome nobody else stands a chance.
LoliKuma
Profile Joined June 2010
United States237 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 21:03:05
March 09 2011 21:01 GMT
#282
http://blip.tv/file/4859569

That is a good female caster. Good voice inflection aka no GIANT pitch high/low scale, very understandable. And can really hype up battles. Wish she had her own computer though, looks like she's backseat gaming, hahaha.

Edit: She's not British, she's German btw.
The End DOES Justifiy the Means
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
March 09 2011 21:01 GMT
#283
On March 10 2011 05:52 lolsixtynine wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:51 Louuster wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:46 nihoh wrote:
If she wants to improve, first thing she needs to do is fix that Singaporean accent. It might be acceptable in Singapore and Malaysia but it's just not acceptable outside that.

Indians speak perfect English grammatically, but would you accept an Indian caster with a thick Indian accent?


Just like Steve Irwin shouldve fixed that Australian accent before being on US tv? Or is that acceptable.


That's acceptable because even thick Australian accents are much more understandable to Americans than most other thick accents.


Also, it wasn't Steven Erwins sole purpose to cast... he actually did his own shit.

I don't hate Kelly as a person or a caster. It's just that when its your job to speak, you have to be better than others to keep that job. Kelly had a really thick accent. Her game knowledge is almost irrelevant. Many people know more about the game than her and have better English. Why should they be overlooked? Because she's foreign or a female? This sounds a lot like affirmative action.

In the real world the best qualified person gets the job, and Kelly just isn't the best. If you want to fill a diversity requirement watch him.

All in all though the online community should have handled themselves better. Relentlessly insulting someone over the internet is sad.
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Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
March 09 2011 21:02 GMT
#284
On March 10 2011 05:57 SpiffD wrote:
Wow, I can't believe how many native English speakers can be so arrogant about this issue. It isn't good enough for you that the rest of the world is learning your language, they also have to have the "correct" accent?


...for an English stream that people are paying money for an understandable accent is a must.
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 21:05:24
March 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#285
Well. First, I really hope Kelly stays involved in the esports scene. I truly and honestly wish the best for her. I think she has a good personality fit for the scene.

Having said that. I think its perfectly acceptable for paying customers (and less so random viewers) to be able to voice their opinion on her commentating. Some people have the means, abilities, and circumstances to be able to do something like what Kelly was/is trying to do. I think the methods (if youd call it that) that people used to voice their opinion are wrong. It was cruel, and rather than be constructive, they tore down.

My opinion is that Kelly's accent made it too difficult to fully enjoy the games. As an english commentator she needs to improve the most important thing required: her english. Do I think she should give up? Absolutely not. But if she wants to do something like commentating on the worlds largest stage, she needs to focus on the positive and constructive criticism.

So

1) Improve in the areas she is lacking

2) Ignore the assholes and trolls and focus on people who are giving constructive counsil

Doing this will give her a concrete fanbase that will completely stomp the vocal minority. GL Kelly!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Daria
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia500 Posts
March 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#286
On March 10 2011 04:48 rysecake wrote:
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On March 10 2011 04:46 CrazyCow wrote:
Now I can stop watching Code A on mute.


You're an asshole. People like you made her leave/get fired (whatever happened). This community has been absolute garbage to her. I honestly feel sorry for Kelly.

You say that this community has been garbage to her, but there is always a reason. Some people can't understand what she's saying like myself, others don't like her knowledge of the game which is also very minimal. We don't just flame someone without a reason.
daria[e]
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#287
On March 10 2011 05:47 kirbynator wrote:
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On March 10 2011 04:47 Dudemeister wrote:
For being the most tolerant and mature community out there, we really fucked up this time!


we fucked up?

what needed to happen, happened. there is nothing else to say, sorry for her but her voice is not made for casting, talent or knowledge aside.



Yes. A huge amount of the criticism she received was childish and immature. This used to be a very mature and respectful community.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#288
On March 10 2011 06:00 Jaw wrote:
as a person with an Asian accent, i really feel for her. now i can cross out SCcaster along side with rapper and voice actor as dream jobs i can never get due to my accent.

Sorry but you actually don't need to always have your accent. I've worked really hard on removing my accent and everyone can do it.
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hidiliho
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada685 Posts
March 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#289
On March 10 2011 05:58 NikonTC wrote:
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On March 10 2011 05:51 hidiliho wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:46 NikonTC wrote:
On March 10 2011 05:42 hidiliho wrote:
Sad day from Esports.

Some of you really need to learn the history of Esports and know how lucky you are that there are more and more English speaking casters out there.

I not loving this new Generation. There is a percentage of this generation that seem to think they are ENTITLED to everything.

A lot of us watched Streams/Vods with Korean cast. Learn to appreciate what you have.


If people "appreciated what they had" all the time, we'd still be living in caves eating raw snake for dinner. Striving for perfection and trying to achieve dreams is one of the defining characteristics of being human, why stop just "because it's e-sports"? Personally I want e-sports to keep getting bigger and better, not rest on its laurels and coast from now on.


Yes lets all eat raw snakes for dinner.

Would you like your significant other to comments on your Bed Abilities similar to what the 'a-hole percentage' of the community commented about Kelly's casting abilities? But hey she/he is just striving for perfection.

Nothing is wrong with wanting perfection. It's the way you strive for it that makes the difference. Making insulting comments like what I've seen here is not wanting perfection. It's just childish.


That's a completely irrelevant comparison you offered, because no-one is giving me money to have sex with them. (To my eternal regret).

Negative feedback is perfectly acceptable. Deaththreats, insults, and all that other childish shit isn't of course, but that's not what I'm discussing here, I've already given my opinion on that.

If I'm paying for a service, I want it to be good. If it isn't good, and the majority of other paying customers agree with me, it should be no surprise when the thing that isn't good gets changed.


We have the same opinion on negative feedbacks and childish comments.

That aside, I actually wonder how many of the childish comments were made by the Ticket paying Community vs. Non-Ticket paying.
I have a dream, that some day I wouldn't see any imba comments in GSL threads.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
March 09 2011 21:04 GMT
#290
As much as i appreciate her hard work, her accent just made it harder for people to understand/listen to. So I'm happy that GOM value public opinions.
I feel sorry for Kelly but this is reality, maybe a job that is more suited to her is just next door. One door closes, another one opens.
Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
March 09 2011 21:06 GMT
#291
I think she did an excellent job casting and I didn't mind her accent at all - hopefully people can be more constructive on what she can improve on besides her accent - I think she probably realizes this is an issue and is more than likely working on it to whatever degree is possible. She has a very charismatic and energetic personality that was definitely very pleasing to watch during Code A. I hope people can start being more constructive.. instead of bitching about one specific thing that 90% of the community is probably already aware of.

Try hard or don't try at all.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
March 09 2011 21:06 GMT
#292
On March 10 2011 06:04 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 05:47 kirbynator wrote:
On March 10 2011 04:47 Dudemeister wrote:
For being the most tolerant and mature community out there, we really fucked up this time!


we fucked up?

what needed to happen, happened. there is nothing else to say, sorry for her but her voice is not made for casting, talent or knowledge aside.



Yes. A huge amount of the criticism she received was childish and immature. This used to be a very mature and respectful community.


Its just the vocal minority as always, you cant judge an entire community off a very vocal bunch of anti-fans, look at the amount of bans due to 'large amounts of kelly hate' it was alot of the same people posting multiple times, im sure there were people like me who did not enjoy her casting and were put off the GSL because of it but didnt resort to immature attacks.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
March 09 2011 21:06 GMT
#293
On March 10 2011 06:04 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2011 06:00 Jaw wrote:
as a person with an Asian accent, i really feel for her. now i can cross out SCcaster along side with rapper and voice actor as dream jobs i can never get due to my accent.

Sorry but you actually don't need to always have your accent. I've worked really hard on removing my accent and everyone can do it.



Why do you need to "remove" your accent? I think if you have understandable english, and accent makes your voice sound hot. At least on girls.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
March 09 2011 21:06 GMT
#294
So many white knights in here. Obviously the extremely racist comments by the scum of the community were very wrong, but people are entitled to their opinion and alot of people just plain didn't like her casting. I thought her sense of humor with tasteless/artosis was pretty great but her accent WAS a little thick sometimes. I certainly didn't mind her so much but to call anybody that disliked her a racist is pretty ignorant.
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
March 09 2011 21:07 GMT
#295
she really wasn't that bad, especially with the new guy DoA. it was just when she was with tasteless that the stream was unwatchable.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
March 09 2011 21:07 GMT
#296
Man I wish everyone would just be quiet about accents already Everything there is to be said about them has already been said fifty times at TL and probably another 50 on GOM's forums.

There's other aspects of this news / GOM casters in general that are so much more interesting and worthwhile to discuss.
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Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 21:10:51
March 09 2011 21:08 GMT
#297
Most people on TL.net will agree that anyone who called her bad names, insulted her sexuality, her nationality or in any way, shape or form tried to insult her personally + death threats and what not is a complete asshat! And has no bussiness even being on the internet much less comment on anything.

But equally annoying to them are the white knights, who arent so much defending her casting but the fact that she is a small, petite, cute (believe me she is very cute) asian girl who is trying her damn best at casting SC2. And it is impossible for them not to jump on that horse, get that white armor (+6 attack vs. Trolls), get that shield+spear and head right at us.


Try to understand that there is a huge majority of people who could not understand her, we arent being mean.
I thought the goddamn vuvuzela's at the World Cup were annoying as hell and i had to mute the TV to enjoy them, am i racist!!!? Do i hate Africa!!

No, as a black man myself i found them annoying. And it made the whole thing much less enjoyable for me and many others. There were defenders of vuvuzelas too, people who tried to turn the whole thing into a Black culture vs White culture and it was pathetic attempt at creating drama.

Vuvuzelas were bad for the World Cup, period. Many people agree

Kelly was not up to par for the job for many reasons, many people agree and none of us will feel guilty saying this.
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Dubpace
Profile Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
March 09 2011 21:09 GMT
#298
I would be very surprised if she was asked to return to GOM. The large majority of people simply did not like her casting.

When it comes down to it, GOM fully recognizes that it isn't about who they think is the best candidate, but who attracts and holds the most viewers.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 21:16:32
March 09 2011 21:09 GMT
#299
edit:sorry I wanted to edit my post not quote it..... delete this
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
March 09 2011 21:10 GMT
#300
People are getting really mixed up in analogies here... There's a different between people with accents (regardless of WHAT accent) that speak English as a primary language, versus people with accents that do NOT speak English as a first language. An accent alone is a preferential thing, but there are more quirks to speaking English as a second/third/etc language than simply an accent.
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