EPTIf your experiencing the symptoms at 120 apm I think you need more excercise in your daily life.
(besides the symptoms are vomiting, excessive sweating, or even a coma)
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
If your experiencing the symptoms at 120 apm I think you need more excercise in your daily life. (besides the symptoms are vomiting, excessive sweating, or even a coma) | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On February 17 2011 13:04 Enervate wrote: It might have to do with how you are holding your mouse, your arm position, and the fashion in which you move your mouse. I basically only make small movements with my hand because I use a high dpi setting on my mouse and I barely move the rest of my arm. I'm able to play around 200 apm fairly easily and without any fatigue. Also, try not to tense up, which I know can be hard because SC games can get tense at times. It's easier to move faster and more smoothly when you're relaxed. As a musician and 200+ apm sc2 player I am sure it is this. I have given lessons in both sc2 and Trumpet where issues like this tension and muscle giving out have occurred and it always boils down to a muscle you are clenching for no real reason. Try making a fist sometime. Really squeeze your first pretty good. Now hold that for 4 minutes. I think you are doing something similar when you get a jolt of adrenaline in game. Does it feel similar just located in a different body part? | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
I'm wondering, when an athelete is doing a marathon does he also release acids? just practice more man! ^^ and that guy above me is very true too. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
(although recently my hand has started hurting when I go back to BW lolol..feelsbad) | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
EDIT: Yes, thats 270 apm. Pure spam lmfao. | ||
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
not true. you can be great with 120 atm. 200 apm in sc2 is like 276 in broodwar, and even then not ALL pro korean players had that apm. in sc2 just work on your accuracy and multitasking, and your apm should just naturally increase if you're improving. straining yourself too much by just mass spamming before your hands can adjust can really screw you up (i.e. tlo's double cts). in regards to the lactic acid , the more you play, the faster it goes away. Also, at least when I played broodwar, I could feel it starting to build up after one day of not playing, since the mechanics were more demanding on my hands for that game in comparison to sc2. I've stopped playing sc2 for a few weeks at a time and come back to it without any problems. if you've been playing for few weeks and you don't feel any improvement, maybe consult a physician? just in case. | ||
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PressureTested
Australia83 Posts
On February 17 2011 14:45 Neo.NEt wrote: I'm not a doctor or a scientist but last time I checked you get lactic acid when you workout for too long... I'm talking like heavy squats here... not playing starcraft. I would be shocked if lactic acid was playing a key role in anybody's starcraft games... but I'm not a doctor. There is a big difference there between lactic acid and muscle fatigue there. Lactic acid is more prone in the "middle distance" events, where ur bodies primary energy source is still using its anaerobic energy system predominately (no oxygen used). this usually occurs when u exercise as a moderate-high intensity from about 30secs to 3-5mins (depending on how well trained ur body is with dealing with the lactic acid) i wouldn't think playing starcraft would do that, i would say its definitely some other issue, especially with the smaller muscle groups you use. | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10325 Posts
I'm aware of that, but thanks for clarifying  . Perhaps I should say instead, 200 apm is where you pretty much do almost everything possible and things after that aren't nearly as "significant". Still vague but yes I do agree with you.Try making a fist sometime. Really squeeze your first pretty good. Now hold that for 4 minutes. I think you are doing something similar when you get a jolt of adrenaline in game. Does it feel similar just located in a different body part? Thanks I'll try that. So if it doesn't feel similar, then it means my posture or something is wrong? If it does feel that way then I have something bad? (cts or etc.) | ||
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guluru
United States83 Posts
Human muscle cells make ATP by lactic acid fermentation when oxygen is scarce. This occurs during the early stages of strenuous exercise, when sugar catabolism for ATP production outpaces the muscle's supply of oxygen from the blood. Under these conditions, the cells switch from aerobic respiration to fermentation. The lactate that accumulates as a waste product may cause muscle fatigue and pain, but he lactate is gradually carried away by the blood to the liver. Lactate is converted back to pyruvate by liver cells. Straight from my Bio book. I'm really not sure that starcraft is strenuous enough to cause lactic acid fermentation. So while you have muscle fatigue and pain, I believe it's as someone stated earlier with pressure, such as when playing guitar hero or laying down. Lactic Acid is from really short bursts | ||
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morimacil
France921 Posts
I mean, most of us on here are probably behind a computer for the better part of the day. I know I am behind a computer pretty much all the time except for a few hours, and when Im sleeping. Im guessing thats the case for most ppl around here, that either have an office job behind a computer, or are students, that constantly type notes, or write notes, and so we wouldnt really get that. Kinda like if you told a bunch of marathon runners you get lactic acid in your legs when running 5 miles, theyd say they dont get it. If you tell computer addicts about muscle strain from using a computer, we dont get that  If thats not the case, and you are often behind a computer, then contact a doctor. If you are indeed not all that often behind a computer, then it could very well be lactic acid, doing some tasks use different muscles, just because you can spam 200 apm all day doesnt mean you can use your hand to chop potatoes for 8 hours at a stretch without muscle strain for example, its different muscles being used. So even if you use your arm a lot, it might just be weak muscles for computer skills. In that case, it will go away eventually. You can accelerate it by just building up some arm, wrist, hand and finger muscles though simple excercises a coulple of times a day. And as with exercising any muscle, dont forget to stretch. | ||
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
you cant spam up to 300 APM in the first 5 mins then claim that is your APM! it is suppose to be your average, so the number at the very end of the game .People in BW would spam up to 600 and in the end their APM would only flux about 5 points. (instead of 130 without the intro spam, it would be 135) | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
Because really, if you're generating lactic acid from starcraft, you should probably look into your health. | ||
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Sv1
United States204 Posts
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
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PressureTested
Australia83 Posts
On February 17 2011 15:37 Sv1 wrote: yeah lactic acid is when you dip into your anaerobic system, heavy breathing and sweating should also be occuring. the site of this of someone playing starcraft should be rather comical. technically no heavy breathing is due to this, "anaerobic" meaning no oxygen. heavy breathing comes in with the aerobic energy system. OR when you start to burn more fats then carbohydrates. fats need more oxygen to break down into energy. | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
The only time I ever even get tired muscles, after doing the flash build over and over in 40 min BW TvPs. I check BW charts and I've managed 300 APM for long periods of time. The next morning I notice that my shoulders feel kinda weak, and my arms don't move as well. However I never experienced tired muscles before I was capable of doing this. However its definitely not lactic acid, and at 120 APM its most likely not even muscle tiredness. Even if you never did exercise ever, you would not get this. Most likely its Repetitive Strain Injury, in which case you should limit your Starcraft playing and do frequent stretches of your wrists and arm, until it gets better. You should also focus on keeping your muscles relaxed all the time, sometimes in a tense game you will unconsciously tighten all your muscles causing strain. OR (and this has happened to me once) The other very likely reason is the way you positions your arms on the table, and the way you sit, is stopping circulation of blood to your arms. And after every game you feel like you have to shake your arms like Flash does. This feels a lot like lactic acid, but really your blood isn't circulating properly. | ||
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
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nWong
Canada145 Posts
No I doubt progamers get lactic acid build ups. | ||
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