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On February 13 2011 15:25 Wargizmo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 15:05 jalstar wrote:
It's like, people outside Korea have to pay for GOM because GOM can't secure ads with foreign countries yet. People outside the USA/Canada have to pay for JTV for the same reason, otherwise they lose money. Except that GOM is the one who is paying for and running the tournament, not just the stream. If JTV were actually running high level tournaments I'd be more happy to give them money.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190859
Sup dood, next time do some research before you post.
More on topic, I think it's fine that jtv charges residents of foreign countries money for their streaming service. I mean they have to make money somehow right? It's unfortunate, but it's also not that much money when you take it all into consideration. Think of all the hours of entertainment you're actually being provided thanks to jtv.
Edit: Also their gaming streams are free, so it's not an issue.
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
This is so awesome, blue post on TL really shows how much Justin.tv cares about building up it's standing in the gamer/ESPORTS community. This post should get mod-edited into the OP imo.
Personally, I love watching streams on Justin.tv, because of the option to choose stream quality/resolution. It's too bad that it lags in Europe, although iirc there was talk of them getting a server somewhere in Europe to fix that - I could be wrong though.
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
I wish all companies were like this
EDIT: Maybe a Mod should edit the thread title?
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
You guys are awesome and that's why I switched to stream with yall!
I really like how active you guys are in the esports community, mad props.
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Its not strange. Imagine their bandwidth costs. 1k viewers for one hour equals around 100-200 GB.
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hah i wish it would be only 100-200gb  it is more like 3.5 TB for 1-1.5mbit/s stream.
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On February 13 2011 15:25 Wargizmo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 15:05 jalstar wrote:
It's like, people outside Korea have to pay for GOM because GOM can't secure ads with foreign countries yet. People outside the USA/Canada have to pay for JTV for the same reason, otherwise they lose money. Except that GOM is the one who is paying for and running the tournament, not just the stream. If JTV were actually running high level tournaments I'd be more happy to give them money.
Jtv has sponsored thousands of dollars worth of tournaments, genius.
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It's because they cannot make any ad revenue from Brazil. It sucks, but your country doesn't have enough targeted ads so Justin.tv loses money on your streaming
It's an established fact that Brazil is a poorer country than say the US, European nations, and Australia.
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On February 16 2011 03:41 hmunkey wrote:
It's because they cannot make any ad revenue from Brazil. It sucks, but your country doesn't have enough targeted ads so Justin.tv loses money on your streaming
It's an established fact that Brazil is a poorer country than say the US, European nations, and Australia.
Reread the OP, particularly this comment:
On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
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On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it.
Ty, now fix the routing in Europe, cuz I still cant watch 80% of the gaming streams cuz it either lags or the screen freezes (Its not a problem on my end) since its fine on other services.
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Thanks Kevin for pointing that out, OP has been edited.
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Big thank you to Justin.tv for being so supportive of the e-sports scene. Even outside of gaming, the world needs more companies that appreciate their users to this extent.
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On February 13 2011 12:02 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 11:55 Zephirdd wrote:
Funny, I can watch like 10 seconds before getting that.
I'd totally buy it, if I knew that the money was going directly into the casters I'm watching. The problem is that you live in Brazil. Jtv gets 0 ad money streaming to Brazil. Only advertisements to wealthy nations like USA, Canada, some EU countries are worth some money. Then they have to pay for bandwidth from USA to Brazil which can be potentially more expensive than USA to USA bandwidth. That's Jtv wants you to pay money. Presently, Ustream and Livestream is willing to lose money streaming to Brazil, but Jtv is not willing to do that.
Although it was clarified it didn't apply to gaming, I must say that I get BRAZILIAN ADS everywhere now. From Owned tv to Justin and pretty much any one of those. So I don't see how they don't receive any money from ads.
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On February 18 2011 22:13 Dinsdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it. Ty, now fix the routing in Europe, cuz I still cant watch 80% of the gaming streams cuz it either lags or the screen freezes (Its not a problem on my end) since its fine on other services.
Exactly, from europe almost any stream I intend to watch on justin.tv lags or freeze, and it is the only streaming service doing that that I know of...
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On February 18 2011 23:02 ArhK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 22:13 Dinsdale wrote:On February 15 2011 23:16 vinlin wrote:
Hey everyone - Kevin from Justin.tv here. We have in fact removed all country restrictions from our gaming content, so please PM me if anyone sees this again. I'd really appreciate you guys helping spread the word that our intention is that we never restrict viewership for gaming as we're really investing a lot of time and effort into making JTV awesome for gamers.
Again - if you do see this on a gaming channel please PM me with the channel and country you're viewing from and we'll make sure to fix it. Ty, now fix the routing in Europe, cuz I still cant watch 80% of the gaming streams cuz it either lags or the screen freezes (Its not a problem on my end) since its fine on other services. Exactly, from europe almost any stream I intend to watch on justin.tv lags or freeze, and it is the only streaming service doing that that I know of...
Yeah they pretty much have to fix it, because it seems like everyone is moving off own3d (which has always been absolutely perfect for me), and moving to justin.
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To everyone saying paying is ok
Consider the number of users ... if they all pay $10 a month justiv TV will be making an absolute fortune ... You can be sure GOM TV is, that is why they are hiring class A casters (but then their prod quality, casting and organisation is frighteningly good)
By charging $10 they are harming the people streaming on it because non serious viewers will never pay - the rsult is that you end up with 10$ of people paying and the viewership stagnating an gradually declining.
How can you afford to pay for the phone line, the internet, and several subscriptions like that? I have a decently paid job and really dont want to have to. Gom TV is the first thing i have ever paid like that ... most successful models rely on a very cheap fee paid by many many people. $10 is way too much.
Itd be better to have a layered fee based on usage, if people are watching one stream regularly then their usage is totally different to me who will watch 1 stream for 30 mins per month, compared to someone who lives on it.
Assuming 1Tb is about 3 hours of stream then maybe $1 is the kind of ball park that i can regularly pony up without having to think about how it would effect anything else. I have no idea if that is economically possible though. Id probably be willing to buy time in 15 hour chunks also.
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They're simply about to succeed in ensuring that Livestream, ustream, and Own3d surpass them, and drive justin TV straight into the ground.
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Hmm that's sad O_O
Seems like all stream sites have their own set of problems.
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I hope that this doesnt effect us gamers in the future.. I can definitely see it going down a bad road...
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Geez people, read the goddamn edits. justin.tv is NOT asking for that for streams marked as "gaming".
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