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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
The ESL EU Feburary Map Pool will include iCCup Pawn Re and iCCup Testbug!!! I can assure everyone this is just the beginning, and I am still working on quite a bit on other things regarding maps, this is very big for the custom map scene! So what does everyone think of this big news? ESL News Link Here are the two iCCup maps: iCCup Testbug + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/YaoIS.jpg) iCCup Pawn Re + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UHQVy.jpg) | ||
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gerundium
Netherlands786 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Edit: Im so blind, sorry. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:22 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Wow Testbug looks so awesome. Does this mean they will played in GO4SC2 as this is from ESL as well, isn'T it? This map pool will be used in at least the following competitions in February - SteelSeries Go4SC2 - Diamond+ Skill Cups - King of, Random Race and Late Night Cups - 1on1 Ladder - Open Cups and more to be announced  Says that on the site. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:22 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Wow Testbug looks so awesome. Does this mean they will played in GO4SC2 as this is from ESL as well, isn'T it? Yep. In the ESL News Post they list which events it covers: Competitions This map pool will be used in at least the following competitions in February - SteelSeries Go4SC2 - Diamond+ Skill Cups - King of, Random Race and Late Night Cups - 1on1 Ladder - Open Cups and more to be announced | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
However, I notice in Pawn Re that two of the expansions have only one gas. Do you guys think it's really a good idea to start with maps that will change fundamental aspects of match-ups instead of just correcting current flaws in maps? Why not just leave it with the standard two gasses? I feel like these maps would be accepted by the players more effectively if they didn't try to change things that aren't really being complained about right now, you know? | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
Finally all the really shitty maps are not in their map pool anymore. And it will even get better next month: We aim to increase the map pool to 9 maps for March,... Thanks iCCup for these great maps and thanks ESL for being so awesome and using them! Helps the scene so much! | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:25 SiguR wrote: Yay for moving forward with new maps. However, I notice in Pawn Re that two of the expansions have only one gas. Do you guys think it's really a good idea to start with maps that will change fundamental aspects of match-ups instead of just correcting current flaws in maps? Is it really necessary to take out a gas? Why not just leave it with the standard two? Whether such a change will end up being good for maps, I feel like it's trying to do two things at once. Well those 2 expansions look more like "if you are way ahead and winning you can take these". So I don't think it matters that much? Anyway I'm sure there's a thread on TL about the map where you can ask those questions. This thread is about the awesomeness of ESL changing map pool! | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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Arccotangent
519 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:29 Numy wrote: Well those 2 expansions look more like "if you are way ahead and winning you can take these". So I don't think it matters that much? Anyway I'm sure there's a thread on TL about the map where you can ask those questions. This thread is about the awesomeness of ESL changing map pool! Though I do disagree with your first statement, you're right that I shouldn't have brought it up here. My apologies. I think ESL picking up these maps is a really good sign. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
good work on getting these included iCCup team! The more custom maps the better i say | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:32 Patriot.dlk wrote: I hope map pools stay united and stuff like this is only a transition into having the official map pool rotate I think that is the long term goal, but for now this is a GREAT start imo! | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
Testbug is also the coolest looking map I've seen. | ||
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mTwRINE
Germany318 Posts
Already played both maps and I just remember that Pawn Re was very narrow and felt a bit strange. Hope they picked the right maps and some other tourneys follow. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
Now only wait until they realize that basically all Blizzard maps are bad and change out all maps  | ||
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Darkforce vs Rine http://www.own3d.tv/RageQuittv#/watch/52035 DieStar vs Predy http://www.own3d.tv/RageQuittv#/watch/52049 | ||
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Hasire
United States125 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:40 WhiteDog wrote: Cool change, but damn Testbug with 14 expand (2 gold) don't you think it's a bit too much for 1v1 ? It's quite a few for an SC2 maps, but I'm not sure how it could hurt. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:40 WhiteDog wrote: Cool change, but damn Testbug with 14 expand (2 gold) don't you think it's a bit too much for 1v1 ? It looks like only 4 bases are easily gotten. The gold and the unused side will be highly contested. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 08:05 DeltruS wrote: Do you guys have a thread on playxp or something? You should get your best maps only like glacial spike + these two to get some attention from the koreans. No none of us speak Korean  . Also publishing these maps on the KOR server has been nothing short of a pain in the ass. We finally found someone to do the uploading but it's spitting out an error that reads "???????" due to the copy being re localized. I'm going to try another couple things to get them on KOR, as for PlayXP, someone would have to take the initiative for us, due to the language barrier... | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
So what does everyone think of this big news? is this supposed to be rhetorical or what i can't imagine anyone not wanting new maps rotated in the pool regularly, especially if they're iccup made, and with the current map pool being what it is | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On January 31 2011 08:07 iCCup.Diamond wrote: No none of us speak Korean . Also publishing these maps on the KOR server has been nothing short of a pain in the ass. We finally found someone to do the uploading but it's spitting out an error that reads "???????" due to the copy being re localized. I'm going to try another couple things to get them on KOR, as for PlayXP, someone would have to take the initiative for us, due to the language barrier...Yeah I suggest you get in contact with someone like CanuckSC that knows Korean. Just make a PM that looks exactly like the post but in English then have them translate and post it. You could even try to pass them off as the new blizzard maps and see what they think lolol. I know some other maps like Sotis have been published in Korea; maybe you can post on their forums to find the trick. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:20 gerundium wrote: <3 ESL for jumping in as the first major tournament. <3 ICCup as well, love the effort you guys are putting into the mapmaking and general SC2 Scene. second (cough GSL cough) | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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Smigi
United States328 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:20 gerundium wrote: <3 ESL for jumping in as the first major tournament. <3 ICCup as well, love the effort you guys are putting into the mapmaking and general SC2 Scene. Word. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
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zooalt
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 08:30 zooalt wrote: Could you give us any insight as far as how they chose those two maps? I'm sure you presented some others as well?! (no criticism, just curious) ESL was awesome and asked our opinion on our most balanced maps. Turns out the list we gave them and the list they had in mind were VERY close. Was a totally painless experience, and props to ESL for taking the time to ask us! | ||
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
Just curious tho, why colossi cant walk pass little walls near Xel'naga towers on Pawn Ra :< seems like those pipes are blocking way. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
7th of February for GSL ... cough... 3rd of February for Go4Sc2. So it could be said that ESL would be first | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 09:13 nttea wrote: Uhh... map is called test bug? is that retarded or am i missing some reference somewhere? BW mapmaker. | ||
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PointyBagels
United States90 Posts
On January 31 2011 09:13 nttea wrote: Uhh... map is called test bug? is that retarded or am i missing some reference somewhere? Indeed you are missing a reference. If I am not mistaken, testbug was a BW mapmaker, the ICCup team named their map after him. EDIT: looks like someone else said it first | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
EDIT: And congratulations ICCUP map making team, I'm so glad your efforts are paying off! | ||
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love.less
United Kingdom293 Posts
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GhostBusters
United States198 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Having some leagues use x custom maps and ther leagues using y maps is completely unfair to the players. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
thanks! no further questions your honor. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On January 31 2011 09:24 hmunkey wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't know what to think. Part of me is glad new maps are being used, but without standardization this could turn into a huge mess. The community needs to either latch on to the new GSL maps or ICCUP maps, and seeing as GSL is the much larger and infinitely more important organization 'm leaning towards them. Having some leagues use x custom maps and ther leagues using y maps is completely unfair to the players. Err, first of all, why is GSL infinitely more important than ESL? And second, if they use "GSL" maps in Korea and iCCup maps in Europe, how is that in any way unfair to the players? Since the iCCup Mapmaking Team works together as a team and is much more accessible for criticism than any Korean mapmakers, and since I think they are ahead in terms of quality at the moment, I'm leaning towards them. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 09:40 Ragoo wrote: Err, first of all, why is GSL infinitely more important than ESL? And second, if they use "GSL" maps in Korea and iCCup maps in Europe, how is that in any way unfair to the players? Since the iCCup Mapmaking Team works together as a team and is much more accessible for criticism than any Korean mapmakers, and since I think they are ahead in terms of quality at the moment, I'm leaning towards them. There will be a very akward period I am sure but I am just so glad that customs are starting to be used! Although I feel and hope that in the future that iCCup maps will be the standard, but if not as long as they are good maps you will hear no issues from me . We are just here to help move along SCII. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
Gl with everything iCCup, you should get a korean speaking team member asap  | ||
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Ulfsark
United States958 Posts
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xlep
Germany274 Posts
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blamous
United States377 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 09:57 blamous wrote: Not to bare my utter nuubishness in public regarding these maps, but is there a way we can actually play on these maps? are they in the custom maps area of bnet? Would love to check these out. Are there other highly regarded non-ladder maps out there right now for 1v1? Yep, just go to b.net custom games and search for "iCCup" | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
Really looking foward to play on iCCup maps during a tournament. Grats to all the iCCup Team! | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Glad to see that Custom maps are starting to be used! Grats ! | ||
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Coramoor
Canada455 Posts
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gerundium
Netherlands786 Posts
LOL totally forgot. GSL is implementing them later though, so you could maybe make the argument. Don't bother though, because it does not matter. I just want every league to start using custom maps. The Blizz maps are getting so stale, been playing them since beta nearly a year! | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
seriously, this is what we need, give more exposure to good community maps instead of screaming to Blizzard about them being good just because they are made by iCcup.(No offense to you guys, I think your maps are fantastic. I just think that giving them tourney exposure is the better way to go about the whole Map pool thing) | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 11:09 windsupernova wrote: Cool, hopefully Blizzard will see that this maps are good and includes them on the ladder Map Pool. seriously, this is what we need, give more exposure to good community maps instead of screaming to Blizzard about them being good just because they are made by iCcup.(No offense to you guys, I think your maps are fantastic. I just think that giving them tourney exposure is the better way to go about the whole Map pool thing) I agree. We were initially in a position where tournaments were scared to use them since they were not in the ladder, obviously now that's not the situation ! | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On January 31 2011 09:24 hmunkey wrote: I don't know what to think. Part of me is glad new maps are being used, but without standardization this could turn into a huge mess. The community needs to either latch on to the new GSL maps or ICCUP maps, and seeing as GSL is the much larger and infinitely more important organization 'm leaning towards them. Having some leagues use x custom maps and ther leagues using y maps is completely unfair to the players. Yeah, I think the same. It's great that the big tournaments start using custom maps. But, different tournaments using a different mappool might become a problem. I hope MLG (as the 3rd major tournament) will either side with ESL or GSL and use the same mappool. The split mappool would make it more difficult to "region hop" for the players. I doubt we would see Koreans at Dreamhack, or some EU/NA players flying over to GSL and just try to qualify (without any major plans to stay for multiple months), because of "unknown" maps. For me as a spectator it wouldnt matter that much - but a split scene might provide some difficulties for the players. But, as I said earlier, still a great change :D | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
map is not equilateral at any point | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 11:26 DarkRise wrote: test bug is a 2 player map? map is not equilateral at any point 3 player..... | ||
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monitor
United States2404 Posts
3 Spawn Points, meant for 2 players (1v1). Symmetry is not standard reflection or rotational. | ||
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gerundium
Netherlands786 Posts
On January 31 2011 11:35 monitor wrote: 3 Spawn Points, meant for 2 players (1v1). Symmetry is not standard reflection or rotational. It's completely rotationally symmetric, 120 degree rotational symmetry. | ||
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blamous
United States377 Posts
It's hard to do a map preview with the fog of war, etc. I'd like to introduce more people to these maps on my channel. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 12:13 blamous wrote: Is there a way to get the map files for these for the editor? It's hard to do a map preview with the fog of war, etc. I'd like to introduce more people to these maps on my channel. Unfortunately no, sorry . But we have image previews on all our maps with no fog of war on the iCCup Mapmaking team page.On January 31 2011 12:21 Rokk wrote: I'm really surprised they took testbug of all maps. It's probably the most "out there" iccup map. So far it's also been the most balanced and creative map in our pool. Time will tell though | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 12:26 TedJustice wrote: Nice to see tourneys straying away from the ladder maps, first with the GSL and now this. It was only a matter of time, I'm just glad it's happening already. | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:22 Numy wrote: Did I read that correctly? Is Blizzard actually doing this???Wow, this is huge. Massive props to them. This map pool will be used in at least the following competitions in February - SteelSeries Go4SC2 - Diamond+ Skill Cups - King of, Random Race and Late Night Cups - 1on1 Ladder - Open Cups and more to be announced Says that on the site. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 31 2011 12:28 TheRPGAddict wrote: Did I read that correctly? Is Blizzard actually doing this??? ESL has their own 1v1 ladder. So no, trust me if it was Blizz using them there would be a post for that instead lol! | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On January 31 2011 12:21 Rokk wrote: I'm really surprised they took testbug of all maps. It's probably the most "out there" iccup map. watching high level play on this map will be a real treat | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
finally a reason to practise more! glad you chose testbug that map rocksss | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I haven't played these 2 maps yet but the maps that GSL is considering to use are awesome. Playing on those maps makes you feel that bad players will be kicked out of the tournament and that the good players will have a blast. Resulting in epic matches 24/7. EDIT: When I get home I will be playing on these maps! Testbug looks nice. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Thehummel
Denmark122 Posts
Keep it up! | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:30 DeltruS wrote: Wow is testbug split in 3? Very interesting. OH wow I somehow didn't see that it is a 3 player map at first. Was staring at it going "hmm... top position seems quite favored..." | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On January 31 2011 17:13 RouaF wrote: Adding custom maps is a great idea. But why not taking the maps that are going to be used in the GSL? I'm not sure everyone using different custom maps is a very good idea... Personally I think a good player should be able to "wing it" on every map compared to having a fixed build order for map A and another for map B and so on. All they should need is knowledge of the general layout of the map. Having more variety in the game is very good and only enhances the viewability of the game, because you can be surprised more often. Scrap Station is a decent map and can have awesome games played on it, but after almost a year of seeing games on it we have kinda "seen it all" and a more new maps is good. The same is true for all other maps. | ||
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
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TehForce
1072 Posts
Played one game on "iccup pawn re". This map seems a little bit dark. Design is okay. I am a little bit worried about siege tanks hitting my natural but so far this didn't occur... Played several games on "iccup testbug". I personally don't like different styles used in one map. Also i am not the biggest fan of rich geysirs. But the design and size of the map is awesome. had many great games on it and can't wait seeing professional gamer fighting on this map :D | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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WrathOfAiur
Germany243 Posts
On January 31 2011 17:24 DarKFoRcE wrote: I have played on both maps before. I really liked Testbug, whereas Pawn (not sure if the Re was already there) seemed to have way too many chokes and it was basically impossible to do anything against P. On the other hand Testbug looks a little TOO wide and open. especially if the rocks in the center are down - which have surprisingly low hp. I think if they had a lot hp, so that you just can tear them down later in the game (with a 150 food army or so) it would be OK, but as a Protoss, I don't know how to place my forcefields there in the midgame. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 31 2011 12:31 iCCup.Diamond wrote: ESL has their own 1v1 ladder. So no, trust me if it was Blizz using them there would be a post for that instead lol! I know this seems like a daft question but have you talked to the Blizzard eSports team? Maybe they will listen. | ||
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Neivler
Norway911 Posts
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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Gr33d
Germany423 Posts
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
The geysers in question are the bottom geysers of the 5 o'clock gold & the base behind that | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 31 2011 20:28 Schwopzi wrote: Just played a match on testbug, it's pretty nice. But just one thing. A couple of the geysers are located right on the edge of a cliff. So if you play terran and you build a refinery your scv can get stuck behind the refinery when it gets it's first barrel of gas, leaving you with no option but to either medvac it out or to give it a honorable death. The geysers in question are the bottom geysers of the 5 o'clock gold & the base behind that Maybe that's a balance feature The two player map looks really interesting too. There's not really a map like that in the map pool at the moment, it would be interesting to see how games turn out. | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
god Im so glad! I hope they also remove some maps (steppes, delta ) | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On January 31 2011 17:13 RouaF wrote: Adding custom maps is a great idea. But why not taking the maps that are going to be used in the GSL? I'm not sure everyone using different custom maps is a very good idea... Cause i believe the plan is for ESL to test the waters with custom maps and ICCup maps are way more know in EU than the gsl ones. If this works out i bet we will have some ESL specific maps (hopefully designed by Iccup mapmaking team) eg. ESL Take'sCouch. If you want to make a brand you dont use the ideas of competition. You want your own brand. Imagine ESL guys talking to sponsors: ESL:"We have a successful SC2 leagu and cups and we even have special custom maps for them" Sponsor:"Thats nice but why that map has a writting "Made by Greetech for GSL use"? ESL:"..." | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
On January 31 2011 20:28 Schwopzi wrote: Just played a match on testbug, it's pretty nice. But just one thing. A couple of the geysers are located right on the edge of a cliff. So if you play terran and you build a refinery your scv can get stuck behind the refinery when it gets it's first barrel of gas, leaving you with no option but to either medvac it out or to give it a honorable death. The geysers in question are the bottom geysers of the 5 o'clock gold & the base behind that Thanks for pointing that. I fixed the problem at the gold expo. However, i didn't see any issue in the base behind the gold at 5 o'clock, but i put some blockers behind the gas in case if it not happens in every game. | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
We've seen tons of changes already. Most of the time u tell an ICCUP guy "Hey there is an issue with this spot, tanks can.... blawblaw" and the mapmaker is most of the time fixing the issue within hours. GSL maps are difficult to influence, also I believe it is good for the western community to have an own system and to be not THAT dependent on the korean community (which might be slower anyway due to the lower popularity) | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
But innovation and new maps that provides more balance is always good. Two sides of the coin I guess =) | ||
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Nillinch
Poland147 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
Props to ESL for putting in ICCUP maps, lets hope blizzard follows suit... | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
Although I'm sceptical about the second map's balance, I'm not worried at all because if balance issues come up I'm 100% sure they will either replace the map or fix it. Was Pawn Re chosen because they wanted a bigger and a smaller map? | ||
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th3rogue
Germany683 Posts
On February 01 2011 00:48 Leviance wrote: This is such great news and should be supported in every way. It's not an easy decision with Blizzard always looking at your fingers to use maps that aren't from Blizzard in the biggest and best-known leagues and tourneys in Europe. Great move ESL! Although I'm sceptical about the second map's balance, I'm not worried at all because if balance issues come up I'm 100% sure they will either replace the map or fix it. Was Pawn Re chosen because they wanted a bigger and a smaller map? Map of the Month tournament On January 31 2011 23:05 Qzy wrote: I'm not too happy about it. I rather watch matches on maps i know :<. But innovation and new maps that provides more balance is always good. Two sides of the coin I guess =) Play the map and then you'll know it! | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
On February 01 2011 00:48 Leviance wrote: This is such great news and should be supported in every way. It's not an easy decision with Blizzard always looking at your fingers to use maps that aren't from Blizzard in the biggest and best-known leagues and tourneys in Europe. Great move ESL! Although I'm sceptical about the second map's balance, I'm not worried at all because if balance issues come up I'm 100% sure they will either replace the map or fix it. Was Pawn Re chosen because they wanted a bigger and a smaller map? Pawn was a map used in the MotM tournement.....close second,I assure you its been through enough balance changes to become this good. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 31 2011 23:10 MrKozi wrote: Blizzard gonna kill this maps by puting their own ones but better (shakuras type) soon or later. If Blizzard responds to ICCUP's success by making maps better than ICCUP's, don't we all win? Why the frown? | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On February 01 2011 01:21 Ribbon wrote: If Blizzard responds to ICCUP's success by making maps better than ICCUP's, don't we all win? Why the frown? Exactly what I thought! The ICCup team is doing everything to make StarCraft 2 best playable, everything for the game, if their maps got surpassed by new Blizzard maps (which is unlikely :p) I'm sure they would be happy about it, not sad. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:05 G.s)NarutO wrote: Blizzard needs to put those maps into the Ladderpool, because otherwise no one will train them basically... which would suck. T.T These and the GSL maps ... but then where do they draw the line and which crappy maps get removed? I think someone over at Blizzard is still trying to find a way to make Steppes of War work ... | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:05 G.s)NarutO wrote: Blizzard needs to put those maps into the Ladderpool, because otherwise no one will train them basically... which would suck. T.T Trust me, very few pros (at least in NA) are using the ladder for practice anyways. Most have already switched to customs for practice. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:13 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Trust me, very few pros (at least in NA) are using the ladder for practice anyways. Most have already switched to customs for practice. Pros aren't the only people out there ;(. Guys like ESL/Craftcup do an awesome job for the non-pro players to get some competition. Ladder is an important part for them. | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:13 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Trust me, very few pros (at least in NA) are using the ladder for practice anyways. Most have already switched to customs for practice. That seems kind of doubtful. I mean, even TSL3 is going to use old ladder maps, no? Of course you wouldn't just say this for no reason, but I just don't understand the motivation behind it. Unless they really strongly believe that there's going to be huge changes in the map pool soon. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:17 ParasitJonte wrote: That seems kind of doubtful. I mean, even TSL3 is going to use old ladder maps, no? Of course you wouldn't just say this for no reason, but I just don't understand the motivation behind it. Unless they really strongly believe that there's going to be huge changes in the map pool soon. There's been no mention of the maps for TSL3, only the TLOpens. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On January 31 2011 17:13 RouaF wrote: Adding custom maps is a great idea. But why not taking the maps that are going to be used in the GSL? I'm not sure everyone using different custom maps is a very good idea... Unfortunately, the world of mapmakers and tournament organizers aren't as cohesive and united as we would hope them to me. WCG and iCCup changes their map pool way slower compared to the KeSPA lineup for OSL, MSL, and Proleague. Eventually, certain maps will emerge to be so good that it is almost impossible not to use them for a tournament. Destination and Match Point come to mind. Right now, we are in the early stages of adopting custom maps for SC2, and the more maps we test and filter out, the better. Also, I think I heard from somewhere that Gisado from GOM initially checked out some of the iCCup maps but wasn't convinced that they were good enough to be used for the Korean games. Nevertheless, it's great to see the SC2 scene look more and more like the BW scene. Custom maps being adopted AND GSL adding a Proleague system? It's almost too good to be true. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:17 ParasitJonte wrote: That seems kind of doubtful. I mean, even TSL3 is going to use old ladder maps, no? Of course you wouldn't just say this for no reason, but I just don't understand the motivation behind it. Unless they really strongly believe that there's going to be huge changes in the map pool soon. No no I mean custom games, not custom maps. I'm saying most pros do not ladder anymore, the last Top 200 really shows that. On February 01 2011 02:19 eviltomahawk wrote: Unfortunately, the world of mapmakers and tournament organizers aren't as cohesive and united as we would hope them to me. WCG and iCCup changes their map pool way slower compared to the KeSPA lineup for OSL, MSL, and Proleague. Eventually, certain maps will emerge to be so good that it is almost impossible not to use them for a tournament. Destination and Match Point come to mind. Right now, we are in the early stages of adopting custom maps for SC2, and the more maps we test and filter out, the better. Also, I think I heard from somewhere that Gisado from GOM initially checked out some of the iCCup maps but wasn't convinced that they were good enough to be used for the Korean games. Nevertheless, it's great to see the SC2 scene look more and more like the BW scene. Custom maps being adopted AND GSL adding a Proleague system? It's almost too good to be true. Link? Source? Because I have never heard that before... | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:21 iCCup.Diamond wrote: No no I mean custom games, not custom maps. I'm saying most pros do not ladder anymore, the last Top 200 really shows that. Link? Source? Because I have never heard that before... Actually, I think I misunderstood my source since I was essentially trying to remember an obscure post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182734¤tpage=7#122 I guess he considered the maps, but obviously didn't end up using them. It's a shame too, since the iCCup maps are definitely strong contenders compared to the Korean maps. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 01 2011 02:36 eviltomahawk wrote: Actually, I think I misunderstood my source since I was essentially trying to remember an obscure post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182734¤tpage=7#122 I guess he considered the maps, but obviously didn't end up using them. It's a shame too, since the iCCup maps are definitely strong contenders compared to the Korean maps. Oh ok. If he searched for them on the Korean B.net, that would explain it, as the maps are not there 0.o! But soon they will be on the KOR server. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
i've never been around for the original bn ladder in sc:bw but wasn't it the same? maps weren't updated and were crap and then people started making better maps and players stopped playing ladder (+ hacks on ladder | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
But now that we have chat channels, it's no problem whatsoever to organize custom games for training. And for pros it's obviously least problematic since they mostly have training partners/team members. | ||
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Quixoticism
United States80 Posts
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 01 2011 04:48 Superouman wrote: Testbug is right now on the first page in the 1v1 section on Europe. You can find an opponent very quickly and not necessarily through a channel. Awesome to hear it's up that far already! <3 | ||
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On February 01 2011 04:48 Superouman wrote: Testbug is right now on the first page in the 1v1 section on Europe. You can find an opponent very quickly and not necessarily through a channel. really? awesome!!!! maybe it is time for some custom game =D | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On February 01 2011 03:01 PredY wrote: i don't think blizz puts the maps on ladder and i don't see any problems with it. special channels for training and custom games all the way baby. i've never been around for the original bn ladder in sc:bw but wasn't it the same? maps weren't updated and were crap and then people started making better maps and players stopped playing ladder (+ hacks on ladder The main laddering tools for BW were all custom servers (Iccup being the most prominent for English speakers) where the map pool was frequently updated with Korean maps (and Faoi, which regrettably didn't see much use) as old maps fell out of use. Blizzard maps fell out of favor fairly rapidly as the scene picked up. Nearly everyone was playing ladder to begin with as there was no match-making, you just asked for games, and then people accepted, you made the game and off you went. | ||
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Animostas
United States568 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 01 2011 08:00 Animostas wrote: Testbug seems to be a fan-favorite, largely because of the textures it's also a really interesting map (glad to see 3-player ones for once). I'm really looking forward to seeing more usage of these iCCup maps. It's also been quite balanced too. I think right now it's our top map . | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
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Butcherski
Poland446 Posts
I have to say testbug is awesome !!! Pawn Ra seems a bit empty & boring but maybe its just me | ||
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On February 02 2011 04:33 Frankon wrote: XMG is ESL... I know, but the only cup with prizes mentioned in the ESL news was Go4SC2 cup, so I thought it's notable that XMG Cup has it, too (the new Sennheiser Cup on Saturdays as well). Might be that EPS Germany uses the same map pool?! | ||
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Skrelt
Netherlands306 Posts
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
Testbug is cool bug dropping is impossible on it :s | ||
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TehForce
1072 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On February 02 2011 22:52 TehForce wrote: Why is Pawn Re soo dark? Its really hard to see something on this map. would be glad if the author at least could increase the brightning a little bit. I agree, even though I personally don't have problems when playing, I can see others having problems with it. And on streams with low quality I can imagine having problems as well. edit: lol oops, I just searched for Pawn Re thread and saw that it has been updated... sry^^ | ||
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zooalt
104 Posts
On February 02 2011 22:52 TehForce wrote: Why is Pawn Re soo dark? Its really hard to see something on this map. would be glad if the author at least could increase the brightning a little bit. are you serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184294 :> | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
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monitor
United States2404 Posts
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th3rogue
Germany683 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
http://cyborgcup.sc2-inside.com/en/ Also Competo Cup might use them if they are voted in this poll: http://www.competo-sports.org/umfrage,51.html edit: forgot to mention that the Viking Cup uses the ESL map pool as well now. | ||
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