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purecarnagge
719 Posts
Energy restrictions that GOM must follow? Everyone always has a coat on when i watch the GSL it seems. I guess I've always wondered why the booths are so cold to the point where hand warmers are needed to get your handspeed up. government regulate the energy industry etc or something? | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:14 purecarnagge wrote: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/25/south-koreas-public-workers-told-to-wear-long-johns-to-work/?iref=obinsite Energy restrictions that GOM must follow? Everyone always has a coat on when i watch the GSL it seems. I guess I've always wondered why the booths are so cold to the point where hand warmers are needed to get your handspeed up. government regulate the energy industry etc or something? Or it could just be air conditioning being turned on. Some people (ok maybe just me) get cold when they're put up on stage with thousands of eyes staring at them. | ||
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camster91
Canada13 Posts
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TheResidentEvil
United States991 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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purecarnagge
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Moody
United States750 Posts
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Dakmaniac
212 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:20 camster91 wrote: I always get cold when I play StarCraft. It can be adrenaline or the fact that your not moving much just your hands, you get cold. Watch players in any tournament they likely have a few layers on. Adrenaline would just negate the feeling of cold. Maybe the fact that south korea is in the middle of winter, is a reason why it is so cold? =| | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:27 Dakmaniac wrote: they shud invent keyboard or mice which get heated while plugged in like a heating pad just its build inside ur hardware =) the thermaltake challenger/challenger ultimate/challenger pro have fans on them to cool your hands http://usa.ttesports.com/Category_Keyboard.aspx | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:31 GHOSTCLAW wrote: the thermaltake challenger/challenger ultimate/challenger pro have fans on them to cool your hands http://usa.ttesports.com/Category_Keyboard.aspx That must be one of the most extragavant things in the world. And it is awesome. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:34 The KY wrote: That must be one of the most extragavant things in the world. And it is awesome. Apparently not available in the UK. Bummer. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
poor players! Good excuse to use hand warmers while sitting in my toasty bed. | ||
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Centorian
United States95 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:30 Zephirdd wrote: Adrenaline would just negate the feeling of cold. Maybe the fact that south korea is in the middle of winter, is a reason why it is so cold? =| This is wrong. Andrenaline will actually make your extremities (especially hands) cold. Starcraft simulates a fight or flight scenario in your brain (hence the adrenaline rush). Its a sympathetic nervous system response. This causes your body to pump less blood to non-essential areas (hands) and send blood to more areas like your core, brain, thighs. Things like hearing, vision, reaction time, heart rate all sharpen/increase. However, your hands get cold, due to lack of blood. -Cent | ||
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camster91
Canada13 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:30 Zephirdd wrote: Adrenaline would just negate the feeling of cold. Adrenaline can make you feel hot thats true but also you can get cold after the rush of adrenaline. Playing a few games you may get a few hits of adrenaline but once its over you may get cold then that process could start over again. I've heard Day9 point out this before, players layer up while gaming. Edit: Never mind the answer above is much more scientific  | ||
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
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Jyxz
United States117 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
Btw Ghostclaw that cools your hands not heat them :/ Find one with a personal heater haha! | ||
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KaiserW
United States87 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:27 Dakmaniac wrote: they shud invent keyboard or mice which get heated while plugged in like a heating pad just its build inside ur hardware =) I saw something like this just a day ago. It was a heated mouse from a Japanese (gadget) site. A quick search brought up these several products. Here are two: http://www.warmmouse.com/ http://gizmodo.com/215318/brando-usb-warming-mouse And a warming mouse pad (HAHA): http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0593 My hands are usually cold in my office and at home(even when the room is warm), and it increases the pain in my arms/hands from working on the computer all day. Thinking about getting some heated USB gloves, or at least those hot packets. Edit: emythrels answer seems fitting. | ||
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bramapanzer
83 Posts
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Terin
United States33 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:55 Jyxz wrote: I have one of those keyboards. They don't really make your hands cold, but keep them dry if they start sweating.i dont get why the hell you could possibly want to cool ur hands.. i want mine HEATED And I have a deathadder, as well. I don't think that LED really provides heat. You're probably just imagining it. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
However ... that is no excuse to have low temperatures in the arena because that actually affects the game. Just imagine if they were playing on a boat in rough seas ... some players would cope with that better than others I would think. If their chosen venues are impossible to heat up they should choose different ones which can give fighting conditions worth playing in. This should include the option to move into a small studio which does not allow the option of people watching it live .... if necessary. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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bramapanzer
83 Posts
On January 28 2011 04:21 Terin wrote: I have one of those keyboards. They don't really make your hands cold, but keep them dry if they start sweating. And I have a deathadder, as well. I don't think that LED really provides heat. You're probably just imagining it. hehe, more than likely, but it feels warmer than my ol' microsoft 5 button :D | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
 hahah. but seriously korea is having a frigid winter, and it's super expensive to heat the studio a ton. but gamers like to be way above the sub-freezing temperature. | ||
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Like a Boss
502 Posts
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ccHaZaRd
Canada1024 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:48 Centorian wrote: This is wrong. Andrenaline will actually make your extremities (especially hands) cold. Starcraft simulates a fight or flight scenario in your brain (hence the adrenaline rush). Its a sympathetic nervous system response. This causes your body to pump less blood to non-essential areas (hands) and send blood to more areas like your core, brain, thighs. Things like hearing, vision, reaction time, heart rate all sharpen/increase. However, your hands get cold, due to lack of blood. -Cent That's weird. As far as experience tells me - I used to be a competitive swimmer so I had to actually control my adrenaline - adrenaline completly negates any sense of heat or cold. And even nowadays, if I pump out some adrenaline consciously(it is possible after training, common for athlethes, some of them aren't even aware that they can do it), I just lose the feeling of temperature, instead of getting cold or something. Maybe there is less blood, maybe my hands are actually cold, but I just don't feel it. | ||
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Tercotta
Canada402 Posts
Though now that I think of it there isn't that much lighting. | ||
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
On January 28 2011 04:47 Two_DoWn wrote: Rofl^I dunno, any more electronic equipment involved and we could have jaedong v flash 2.0. Notice Jinro destroyed Idra when he had a coat on, but against MarinekingPrime when he had only a shirt, he lost  | ||
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quiggy
Canada58 Posts
The main problem with a colder climate and sc2 is that if your playing at any high speeds your brain is constantly sending and receiving messages as you rapidly move your hands and is unable to process temperature in these areas. So your hands won't feel cold, but they'll be sluggish. This poses a problem because it greatly affects your game play because its a hard thing to spot and fix during a game. I hope gom sorts this out. | ||
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Chex`
United States10 Posts
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
Temperatures for Seoul were forecast with highs of only -5 degrees C (22 F) through Friday and lows of -13 C (8 F) during that time. Wow that is nothing. I would kill to be able to consider -13 stupidly freezing cold during winter. I suppose heating and energy stuff works a lot differently outside of NA though, I guess they can't throw infinite amounts of money into a fire to keep themselves warm | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
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Atrophy
21 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:34 The KY wrote: That must be one of the most extragavant things in the world. And it is awesome. You really just called a gaming keyboard "one of the most extravagant things in the world." | ||
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Avila
Canada39 Posts
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nanokwark
Poland51 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:27 Dakmaniac wrote: they shud invent keyboard or mice which get heated while plugged in like a heating pad just its build inside ur hardware =) Mine 3 year's old laptop from HP has a nice heated keyboard ( or should I say overheated :D) I had to buy my self a cooling pad to make it not overheat it self too much while playing SC2 | ||
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
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SCdinner
Canada516 Posts
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mesohawny
Canada193 Posts
I could be wrong but i thought that was the case | ||
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TeH_Murmur
Canada11 Posts
Hah. Like the other guy said, that's not so impressive. We had a couple -30 (celsius) days in a row recently. Fun times. | ||
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
On January 29 2011 04:06 TeH_Murmur wrote: Temperatures for Seoul were forecast with highs of only -5 degrees C (22 F) through Friday and lows of -13 C (8 F) during that time. Hah. Like the other guy said, that's not so impressive. We had a couple -30 (celsius) days in a row recently. Fun times. Yeah, I've checked the temps in Seoul and compared them against my location (Maryland). It's been colder here almost every day, which really isn't that cold. I just wear a hoodie when I go outside and I'm fine. On January 29 2011 01:04 SCdinner wrote: I do believe it’s a result of the computer fans and poor ventilation in the booths and regional physics phenomenon. In South Korea a flowing current in a closed environment can somehow slowly lower the environment's temperature until the point of sub freezing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death for more info. ahahahah | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On January 29 2011 04:06 TeH_Murmur wrote: Temperatures for Seoul were forecast with highs of only -5 degrees C (22 F) through Friday and lows of -13 C (8 F) during that time. Hah. Like the other guy said, that's not so impressive. We had a couple -30 (celsius) days in a row recently. Fun times. I live in iowa...thats exactly our weather...why the hell would I want to go to korea now... like paying 3k to travel to Iowa 2.0. That would be pretty miserable. | ||
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OfficerTJHooker
Canada97 Posts
Although I am trying to find where I can buy those fabric hand warmers that they use in the GSL? I've been trying to find some for so long... | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On January 29 2011 04:17 purecarnagge wrote: I live in iowa...thats exactly our weather...why the hell would I want to go to korea now... like paying 3k to travel to Iowa 2.0. That would be pretty miserable.For some reason though I live in Canada and visiting Korea this winter the -10 degrees Celsius there seems to be as cold or even colder than the -20 degrees Celsius here in Canada. As for the government energy restrictions that's rather odd. | ||
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metzGRR
Sweden86 Posts
![[image loading]](http://industrials-heater.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Industrial-heaters-uk.jpg) It heats the air incredibly fast, dossent even matter if theres poor isolation, it will keep the air around it warm. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On January 29 2011 04:53 metzGRR wrote: Why dont they have one of these inside the booths? It heats the air incredibly fast, dossent even matter if theres poor isolation, it will keep the air around it warm. Probably because it's easier for a player to control the amount of warmth in the booth via clothing and hand warmers; rather then someone getting into the both and being uncomfortable with the heat and not being able to do much about it without waiting for heat to dissapate from the both. | ||
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Mowr
Sweden791 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:55 Jyxz wrote: i dont get why the hell you could possibly want to cool ur hands.. i want mine HEATED There are actually mice with heating. I'd really like to have one but I'm not sure they're good enough for gaming. Except for maybe the hottest weeks in the summer my apartment never gets warmer than ~19°C/ 66°F and my hands always get really cold when I sit at the computer. The AC/DC adapter for my soundcard gets quite hot so I usually warm my hands on it | ||
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
The heating restrictions are level one of the country's energy-saving plans. If they don't work, level two bans decorative lighting; level three bans the use of elevators below the fifth floor of buildings, limits the use of indoor lighting and allows employees to drive to work only every other day; level four bans all driving to work and mandates early closure of public buildings. Rofl sup you can't go to work, enjoy being jobless and then eventually homeless oh also if you're handicapped and use a wheelchair, sucks to be you because you're going to be rollin up the stairs to get to your fourth floor office. LOL KOREA | ||
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
On January 29 2011 05:36 -orb- wrote: WOW anyone see this at the end of the article? Rofl sup you can't go to work, enjoy being jobless and then eventually homeless oh also if you're handicapped and use a wheelchair, sucks to be you because you're going to be rollin up the stairs to get to your fourth floor office. LOL KOREA well at least they're doing something for the environment/power consumption... -_- | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:31 GHOSTCLAW wrote: the thermaltake challenger/challenger ultimate/challenger pro have fans on them to cool your hands http://usa.ttesports.com/Category_Keyboard.aspx Go from energy restrictions to heated mouses. I think suggesting a keyboard with a cooling fan is the wrong direction. | ||
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
On January 29 2011 05:36 -orb- wrote: WOW anyone see this at the end of the article? Rofl sup you can't go to work, enjoy being jobless and then eventually homeless oh also if you're handicapped and use a wheelchair, sucks to be you because you're going to be rollin up the stairs to get to your fourth floor office. LOL KOREA Do you not know how to walk? In Korea, most people don't drive to work. Again: This is for PUBLIC buildings, NOT private. On January 29 2011 05:48 imyzhang wrote: well at least they're doing something for the environment/power consumption... -_- Yeah, because energy consumption is really ruining the environment /sarcasm. | ||
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blackbrrd
Norway477 Posts
On January 29 2011 05:36 -orb- wrote: WOW anyone see this at the end of the article? Rofl sup you can't go to work, enjoy being jobless and then eventually homeless oh also if you're handicapped and use a wheelchair, sucks to be you because you're going to be rollin up the stairs to get to your fourth floor office. LOL KOREA In most parts of the world it is actually possible to get to work without driving. You can for instance walk, cycle, take the bus or take the train. Personally I walk the 10-15 minutes it takes me to get to work. You might say that you have to take your children to kindergarten or something? Well, my neighbor cycles and the kid rides a small wagon attached behind the bicycle and the he cycles to work. (Might have been kinda cold the weeks with -15 to -25 degrees Celsius right before Christmas). I do have some co-workers that would have been quite lost without a car, but most would manage to get to work in some way or another. Btw, the Koreans are probably conserving electricity because they haven't scaled the power production or transport to handle cold winters. In Norway we have some similar problems when we get -15 on the west-coast where it's normally +5 in winter. | ||
Nayl
Canada413 Posts
Yeah, because energy consumption is really ruining the environment /sarcasm. Er you realize to get most of that energy, you burn fossil fuel/natural gas, right? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On January 29 2011 06:51 scion wrote: Er you realize to get most of that energy, you burn fossil fuel/natural gas, right? what u talkin about man, energy comes from rivers. ...in Brazil | ||
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DennyR
Germany379 Posts
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uNtrue_
United States150 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On January 29 2011 04:53 metzGRR wrote: Why dont they have one of these inside the booths? It heats the air incredibly fast, dossent even matter if theres poor isolation, it will keep the air around it warm. MSL tried this last year. It overloaded the circuit and caused a power outage at a crucial moment of game 3 during the most hyped finals of the last several years. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
Thing is, even when it's hot in LA I'll wear a sweatshirt to a tourney to make sure my body gets loose enough, once I feel the heat after playing awhile I take it off and can keep playing normally. A lot of people do this, when they jog or do exercises, they warm up with layers on to get their muscles relaxed and stretched out, I don't know if this is the reason but guessing how Tasteoisis dress and they don't feel effected by the cold. | ||
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SCdinner
Canada516 Posts
On January 29 2011 07:21 heyoka wrote: MSL tried this last year. It overloaded the circuit and caused a power outage at a crucial moment of game 3 during the most hyped finals of the last several years. Was that the game between Flash and Jaedong where they gave the winner+ Show Spoiler + Jaedong | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
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SpawnMoreOverlords
United States15 Posts
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
On January 29 2011 05:36 -orb- wrote: WOW anyone see this at the end of the article? Rofl sup you can't go to work, enjoy being jobless and then eventually homeless oh also if you're handicapped and use a wheelchair, sucks to be you because you're going to be rollin up the stairs to get to your fourth floor office. LOL KOREA well now I know why every hates you so much lmao. Do you truly believe that handicapped people would not be allowed exceptions? No you don't but your imbecile so you said it anyways. Do you also believe that not driving to work entails not going to work? same thing. Anyways, I think stuff like this might be part of the reason that people didn't show up to some of the earlier matches, like when boxer played and there were like 5 people in the audience. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On January 29 2011 06:17 Buddhist wrote: well at least they're doing something for the environment/power consumption... -_- Yeah, because energy consumption is really ruining the environment /sarcasm.[/QUOTE] And here is something for the ignorant american: 1. Most americans use "air condotioning" to control the temperature in their buildings and the offices. Skyscrapers needs A LOT of that and you could not make it work with "sensible ways of heating", you would need less high buildings. 2. In any techical process where you convert energy (i.e. burning coal to get electricity or using electricity to get heat) you will LOSE a BIG CHUNK of the energy you are starting and thus with more transformation processes it gets worse and worse. The ratio for coal power plant is roughly 35%, so only a good third of the energy stored in the coal is actually transferred into electricity. The reverse process is equally not great and far from 100%. So with electrical heating you ARE contributing to global warming by creating more CO2 than you would need if you used the coal directly. I hope this clears up a few misconceptions ... oh and energy consumption IS ruining the environment, thus we need to take every possible step - however small - to reduce it. We didnt inherit this world from our parents, we only borrowed it from our children. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:31 GHOSTCLAW wrote: the thermaltake challenger/challenger ultimate/challenger pro have fans on them to cool your hands http://usa.ttesports.com/Category_Keyboard.aspx lol thats so cool... i kinda wanna do that... cuz even when it's cold in my house... my palms still get really sweaty when playing SC2 | ||
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Sanjuro
Indonesia252 Posts
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
And here is something for the ignorant american: Keep your bigotry out of it. But yes, excess energy consumption is a cause for global concern. I'm glad to see Korea doing something but I bet it has more to do with economy and national security than it does with saving the world. Put me down on the list of people who get super cold playing SC2. I often play bundled up in my slippers and afghan. I have enough trouble keeping my fingers moving when I'm playing -- I can't imagine how the pros do it if they're so cold! | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:27 Dakmaniac wrote: they shud invent keyboard or mice which get heated while plugged in like a heating pad just its build inside ur hardware =) ur a genius!!! omg! | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
On January 29 2011 08:25 SpawnMoreOverlords wrote: In one of the state of the game pre-show podcast Idra was asked "if the GSL booths were cold?". To which he replied "no, they are pretty warm." I just believe they wear coats because it pretty cold in Korea. You also can get cold hands from the adrenaline, there was a post about it and being nervous before games as well. Indeed. It's not hard to wear winter clothes indoors. Worst case scenario, you sit on your hands to get them warm if you have no hand warmers. Edit: Retracting a rebuttal to the guy who called me an "ignorant American", because I've actually researched the subject and he clearly hasn't, and that kind of argument would be purely negative on TL. I will just say though: I said energy consumption is not a cause of environmental harm. I never said anything about fossil fuels themselves (which obviously can be). However, do some RESEARCH on the subject. Look at some primary sources (NOT news articles). Check yourself if the data you're looking at is legitimate (hasn't been altered). Don't repeat what you've been told ad nauseam when someone seems to disagree with you. It doesn't make you look cool :/. | ||
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plagiarisedwords
United Kingdom138 Posts
On January 28 2011 05:10 Zephirdd wrote: That's weird. As far as experience tells me - I used to be a competitive swimmer so I had to actually control my adrenaline - adrenaline completly negates any sense of heat or cold. And even nowadays, if I pump out some adrenaline consciously(it is possible after training, common for athlethes, some of them aren't even aware that they can do it), I just lose the feeling of temperature, instead of getting cold or something. Maybe there is less blood, maybe my hands are actually cold, but I just don't feel it. I used to swim competitively too. In the swimming pool you end up burning hot because sweating has no cooling effect. You don't feel that while you swim but immediately afterwards, I just glow red. I think in sports you don't notice because it doesn't require fine movements of the hand like SC2 does. When I play SC2 my hands don't feel cold while I'm playing they just stop moving as fast as I want them to and only when I stop playing do they really feel cold. | ||
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DanFoX
United States13 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
Houses in Japan have no Insulation.. much to my dismay.. and are heated by shitty air con systems, you turn them off and the room immediately goes freezing cold. Maybe Korea is the same? | ||
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Ifrit
Germany42 Posts
I assume it's just a combination of climate (Winter, duh), the way your body operates while playing (extended limbs) and the little amount of actual movement during playing, excluding the hands and eyes. | ||
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