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red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
January 20 2011 00:52 GMT
#21
you people who are trying to compare leaving a team game on purpose with all-inning need to reevaluate your life choices.

let there be no doubt that there are many on this site who post simply to be contradictory as a means of entertainment.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
January 20 2011 00:52 GMT
#22
On January 20 2011 09:36 Keitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 09:31 kerpal wrote:
On January 20 2011 09:26 Keitzer wrote:
meh, i don't think it's a bannable offense since
1. tournaments are 1v1
2. if you're serious team gamer, play with a team, not randoms

it's not just about serious play.. i think there should be some kind of protection for people who just want to play fun 4v4s. just cause you're not serious doesn't make it nice that someone drops out of your game and leaves you a man down. it's ruining other people's experience for the sake of personal gain, i don't know about bans, but i'd like to see something done.


that's like saying "ya 1v1 is fun, but the 4gates man, they ruin it... for their own personal gain"

i see no difference in the threat level. and thus blizzard will not act on this.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/777597897?page=2#32

They said they wanted to hotfix it. So either the hotfix is still not in place (though mentioned months ago), or the leaver doesnt realize this / just wants to annoy people.
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
January 20 2011 00:56 GMT
#23
I don't really mind it that much, since I can most likely make us of that excess mins/gas better than the quitter would.
It's really quite lame though - maybe they should limit the number of ladder games you can join within a specific time limit?
1000 at least.
Deja Thoris
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa646 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 01:36:52
January 20 2011 01:30 GMT
#24
On January 20 2011 09:12 god_forbids wrote:
Wow. Hate, nerd rage, jealousy. That's all I see here.

"Oh poo, dey dun pley da game da way poopsie sez to play it, QQ i'ma ban dat bad man! ban ban!"

Who cares how other people play? This is not a bannable offense any more than 6pool/4gate/etc. and results in the same amount of high-pitched whining. Anyone "serious" about 4v4s (ha!) would play with a team anyway so why do you care if someone leaves the game?

Because they get worthless pictures that make them look "better than they are"? Point the finger at Blizzard for putting the incentive there rather than cry about abusive players and try to ban them.


Theres no nerd rage or hate, its a discussion on how it impacts others games.

I care how other people play if they are part of my team. It's implicit in the type of game that all people should work together as a "team" - you know, hence the team game. People like this are ruining the experience of others and thats why Blizzard intend to fix it. **Edited out the bit about trolling.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
January 20 2011 01:34 GMT
#25
It's already patched. He will not have wins IN ACHIEVEMENT, only in match history and in ladder maybe.
Mahavishnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada396 Posts
January 20 2011 02:31 GMT
#26
On January 20 2011 09:12 god_forbids wrote:
Wow. Hate, nerd rage, jealousy. That's all I see here.

"Oh poo, dey dun pley da game da way poopsie sez to play it, QQ i'ma ban dat bad man! ban ban!"

Who cares how other people play? This is not a bannable offense any more than 6pool/4gate/etc. and results in the same amount of high-pitched whining. Anyone "serious" about 4v4s (ha!) would play with a team anyway so why do you care if someone leaves the game?

Because they get worthless pictures that make them look "better than they are"? Point the finger at Blizzard for putting the incentive there rather than cry about abusive players and try to ban them.

Oh you just got called out son, at least don't let him know it's you?
everything is gravity
imyzhang
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada809 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 02:39:16
January 20 2011 02:35 GMT
#27
happened during beta when team games were made available. player joins/leaves, remainder of team win/loses, he get's that win/loss. some people did this to get the portraits.

On January 20 2011 11:31 Mahavishnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 09:12 god_forbids wrote:
Wow. Hate, nerd rage, jealousy. That's all I see here.

"Oh poo, dey dun pley da game da way poopsie sez to play it, QQ i'ma ban dat bad man! ban ban!"

Who cares how other people play? This is not a bannable offense any more than 6pool/4gate/etc. and results in the same amount of high-pitched whining. Anyone "serious" about 4v4s (ha!) would play with a team anyway so why do you care if someone leaves the game?

Because they get worthless pictures that make them look "better than they are"? Point the finger at Blizzard for putting the incentive there rather than cry about abusive players and try to ban them.

Oh you just got called out son, at least don't let him know it's you?


if you think about it who the fuck wouldnt be pissed to have to play with a huge disadvantage due to some asshole leaving the game? it's like you're walking down the street one day, but magically one of your legs disappear, or something as equally as disappointing. I'm sure blizzard realizes how much this irritates their customers, and probably has/will do something about it eventually.
bleh
god_forbids
Profile Joined October 2010
United States111 Posts
January 20 2011 03:21 GMT
#28
On January 20 2011 11:31 Mahavishnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 09:12 god_forbids wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Wow. Hate, nerd rage, jealousy. That's all I see here.

"Oh poo, dey dun pley da game da way poopsie sez to play it, QQ i'ma ban dat bad man! ban ban!"

Who cares how other people play? This is not a bannable offense any more than 6pool/4gate/etc. and results in the same amount of high-pitched whining. Anyone "serious" about 4v4s (ha!) would play with a team anyway so why do you care if someone leaves the game?

Because they get worthless pictures that make them look "better than they are"? Point the finger at Blizzard for putting the incentive there rather than cry about abusive players and try to ban them.

Oh you just got called out son, at least don't let him know it's you?

What does that even mean?

On January 20 2011 09:34 god_forbids wrote:I understand what you are saying but beyond the fixes already implemented, Blizzard is not interested in this "problem".


Allow me to expound on "fixes already implemented." Credit towards achievements/portraits will not be granted if the player leaves a team game before 240 game seconds (5:00). That is a fact. Also, players' status is set to "Busy" in the background after leaving a team game (until that game finishes) and since patch 1.1.2 this means they will not get achievement toasts - so no time is saved by leaving early because the game will not be credited if they join another game.

So people who leave early are not gaining anything from this. On the other hand, since their resources will not be wasted on their own structures before units can be produced, the 3v4 is actually lopsided in favor of the 3 team. You can macro up a more powerful army quicker. How is this less fun, or "broken"?
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ThunderBum
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia192 Posts
January 20 2011 03:48 GMT
#29
The total income for each team remains unchanged therefore the units present on the map can still be equal. The only advantage to the 3 player team is the likelihood that they will attack first while the 4 player team is still somewhat spread out.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
January 20 2011 04:23 GMT
#30
I don't think they should be banned, I think they ought to get a unique achievement that gives -1337 points. That way everyone wins. They get an achievement, and those players who get stuck holding the check get some peace of mind.
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
January 20 2011 04:35 GMT
#31
This has been going on since day 1, and it is the reason i do not play team games any more. It's not just 1 guy, theres thousands of players that do this. As well, there is a Bot for sc2 out, that trades wins for players. I've seen guys with 3k-4k-5k wins look in their match history games only last 2 seconds.

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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
January 20 2011 05:01 GMT
#32
people in rock bottom bronze are so bad that it doesnt matter if its 3v4 or 4v4 so he gets his cheap wins.

But if you are really high in diamond 2v2 sometimes people leave in order to get a ridicilous rush done that can hit before you are able to have viable defense out.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 20 2011 05:06 GMT
#33
how about if someone leaves, the winning team with the leaver has a vote decision to have him gain or not gain a win. Thats only if he left though, not if he was eliminated or such but stayed through
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Hellwitch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada272 Posts
January 20 2011 05:13 GMT
#34
When you leave the game, you lose. It should be simple as that.
“I think the MVP title for today goes to Airman Firebathero because he is the one who grabbed the enemy commander and threw himself into the river.” - PianO
DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
January 20 2011 11:21 GMT
#35
On January 20 2011 09:52 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 09:36 Keitzer wrote:
On January 20 2011 09:31 kerpal wrote:
On January 20 2011 09:26 Keitzer wrote:
meh, i don't think it's a bannable offense since
1. tournaments are 1v1
2. if you're serious team gamer, play with a team, not randoms

it's not just about serious play.. i think there should be some kind of protection for people who just want to play fun 4v4s. just cause you're not serious doesn't make it nice that someone drops out of your game and leaves you a man down. it's ruining other people's experience for the sake of personal gain, i don't know about bans, but i'd like to see something done.


that's like saying "ya 1v1 is fun, but the 4gates man, they ruin it... for their own personal gain"

i see no difference in the threat level. and thus blizzard will not act on this.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/777597897?page=2#32

They said they wanted to hotfix it. So either the hotfix is still not in place (though mentioned months ago), or the leaver doesnt realize this / just wants to annoy people.


Just read the rest of the thread They state it WAS hotfixed.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/777597897?page=15

Bashiok "This fix was applied with 1.1.2"

They cannot farm achievements without spending a certain amount of time in game and they probably don't realize it.
DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
January 20 2011 11:25 GMT
#36
On January 20 2011 12:21 god_forbids wrote:
Allow me to expound on "fixes already implemented." Credit towards achievements/portraits will not be granted if the player leaves a team game before 240 game seconds (5:00). That is a fact. Also, players' status is set to "Busy" in the background after leaving a team game (until that game finishes) and since patch 1.1.2 this means they will not get achievement toasts - so no time is saved by leaving early because the game will not be credited if they join another game.

So people who leave early are not gaining anything from this. On the other hand, since their resources will not be wasted on their own structures before units can be produced, the 3v4 is actually lopsided in favor of the 3 team. You can macro up a more powerful army quicker. How is this less fun, or "broken"?


I know a system is in place but where did you get these details of 240 seconds (gametime vs real time) and also them not being able to requeue? I have heard of the first but not the second. Do you have a Blizz post, post on testing this with data, or speculation?
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 14:34:52
January 20 2011 14:32 GMT
#37
On January 20 2011 12:21 god_forbids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 11:31 Mahavishnu wrote:
On January 20 2011 09:12 god_forbids wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Wow. Hate, nerd rage, jealousy. That's all I see here.

"Oh poo, dey dun pley da game da way poopsie sez to play it, QQ i'ma ban dat bad man! ban ban!"

Who cares how other people play? This is not a bannable offense any more than 6pool/4gate/etc. and results in the same amount of high-pitched whining. Anyone "serious" about 4v4s (ha!) would play with a team anyway so why do you care if someone leaves the game?

Because they get worthless pictures that make them look "better than they are"? Point the finger at Blizzard for putting the incentive there rather than cry about abusive players and try to ban them.

Oh you just got called out son, at least don't let him know it's you?

What does that even mean?

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 09:34 god_forbids wrote:I understand what you are saying but beyond the fixes already implemented, Blizzard is not interested in this "problem".


Allow me to expound on "fixes already implemented." Credit towards achievements/portraits will not be granted if the player leaves a team game before 240 game seconds (5:00). That is a fact. Also, players' status is set to "Busy" in the background after leaving a team game (until that game finishes) and since patch 1.1.2 this means they will not get achievement toasts - so no time is saved by leaving early because the game will not be credited if they join another game.

So people who leave early are not gaining anything from this. On the other hand, since their resources will not be wasted on their own structures before units can be produced, the 3v4 is actually lopsided in favor of the 3 team. You can macro up a more powerful army quicker. How is this less fun, or "broken"?

I'm trying to think of a reason why are you so condescending and ridiculing.
Maybe you had to deal with too many rushes that involved players leaving the game to bypass the time limit and share resources faster?

Obviously 4 player team is going to have easier time controlling units and can also share resources not that much later.
What's more, the more inexperienced the (now) 3 player team is, the harder for them will be to use the additional resources they did not expect to have.
They also have to spare their attention to defend the 4th base. The more they neglect it the more exposed it will be and the harder to defend because of that.
You seriously can't see those downsides?
wwww
Aikin
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria532 Posts
January 20 2011 14:39 GMT
#38
Blizzard could easily fix this by just not rewarding a win if you left the game early on. Could probably implement a timer but I don´t think its necessary. If you play with team mates your team rating obviously changes but it shouldn´t count toward the achivement.
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CurLy[]
Profile Joined August 2010
United States759 Posts
January 20 2011 14:47 GMT
#39
1) Make drones
2) Make more unit producing structures than normal
3)?????
4)Profit
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Aerakin
Profile Joined January 2011
185 Posts
January 20 2011 14:51 GMT
#40
The thing about timers is that they can still be abused.

"If I can't leave for 300 seconds, then I leave after 301 seconds"

Better just do: leave = loss (and something if you actually played and got eliminated)
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