• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:22
CEST 14:22
KST 21:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week2[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation14$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced6Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles6[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China9Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL67
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 1 - Final Week Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation TL Team Map Contest #4: Winners Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL [G] Progamer Settings ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Positive Thoughts on Setting Up a Dual-Caliber FX
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 657 users

Gisado Star-Challenge Live Restream - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 19 2011 12:14 GMT
#21
Xeph even translating! Such a baller

@VonBlucher - That makes sense. I think mech is more viable now since blizzard nerfed Speedrays. Not sure though?
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 12:17:20
January 19 2011 12:15 GMT
#22
Just by the first minutes of the game Tal-Darim Altar really seems tempting. I really love the map so far
EDIT: but that choke is really small without high ground advantage. Hmmm
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 19 2011 12:16 GMT
#23
Holy cow, how did he break 3 bunkers + marauders
sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
January 19 2011 12:16 GMT
#24
We finally get some bigger, epic maps....and he four gates.
"I wish I was good enough to be called bad by IdrA." - Moa
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 19 2011 12:17 GMT
#25
Confirmed: 4 gate works on this map.....
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Xeph
Profile Joined September 2004
Korea (South)191 Posts
January 19 2011 12:17 GMT
#26
On January 19 2011 21:16 sammler wrote:
We finally get some bigger, epic maps....and he four gates.

lol
Persistent Pursuit of Perfection
Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
January 19 2011 12:18 GMT
#27
On January 19 2011 21:16 sammler wrote:
We finally get some bigger, epic maps....and he four gates.


That's exactly what I wanted to post, unfortunately you were faster.
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
January 19 2011 12:18 GMT
#28
On January 19 2011 21:16 sammler wrote:
We finally get some bigger, epic maps....and he four gates.


: )
well i think its actually interesting to see how cheese and allin-play works out on those maps
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 12:19:37
January 19 2011 12:19 GMT
#29
On January 19 2011 21:18 whoso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 21:16 sammler wrote:
We finally get some bigger, epic maps....and he four gates.


: )
well i think its actually interesting to see how cheese and allin-play works out on those maps


Yea better maps shouldn't mean Cheese isn't viable. Want maps where everything is viable.
Daria
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia500 Posts
January 19 2011 12:19 GMT
#30
Thanks for this, also for the translations and mapinfo and stuff that you provide
daria[e]
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
January 19 2011 12:26 GMT
#31
What is this "glow-ish" effect around buildings? I don't have it,even at ultra,is some map side enable lighting option ?
VonBlucher
Profile Joined January 2011
United States108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 12:30:26
January 19 2011 12:27 GMT
#32
On January 19 2011 21:14 Numy wrote:
Xeph even translating! Such a baller

@VonBlucher - That makes sense. I think mech is more viable now since blizzard nerfed Speedrays. Not sure though?


I'm by no means a good player but I like to theorycraft a lot. I personally think that Mech is good for a mid-game timing push, but as the game drags into lategame it becomes less and less viable. The problem is Protoss received an absurd amount of mech counters in Starcraft 2 that make going pure mech very underwhelming against them if they can receive it.

First, there is the Immortal which just roflstomps all over tanks for their cost. Whatever way you go about it, receiving 10 damage from tank shots is damn good and 50 damage to armored wrecked everything but Helions.

Secondly, Zealot Charge. As if speedalots didn't scare a meching playing hard enough, Chargelots instantly breaking into your lines and cause your tanks to splash your own troops. Chargelots are simply good against mech where they can get quick surrounds and form fighting lines which make Helions far less effectively unless micro-ed properly to flank.

Dragoons in Broodwar melted to Mech, but while Stalkers are still not overly great they are a big improvement. They have less range than upgraded goons (I think?) but their AI is smarter than a wet paper bag so you can get a lot shooting very quickly. Blink will also help immensely for closing distances into siege tanks lines and bringing more Stalker fire to bare.

And of course Thors are awful against armored air, but I feel if mech play takes off it'll have to integrate Vikings. They're not a bad choice, remind me of Goliaths and even have similar performance. They require pretty good micro and decision making though (How many vikings to keep in the air and how many to land to help in the ground fight?). Still, Vikings don't have the best time with Void Rays and if Protoss gains air dominance with Void Rays you won't have any real defense with pure mech, even Turret pushing isn't very good since buildings take extra damage from Voids.

Now of course, it all -depends- on Protoss getting all this stuff. So that's why I think Mech will be good for mid-game timing pushes vs. Protoss and not a viable late game strategy. But what do I know? People used to think meching was impossible vs. Zerg in BW but Fantasy is just a baller.

Edit: And I forgot Phoenixes, but actually a good number of Thors can deal with that well. Negating tanks for a time is obviously bad though.
XothermeK
Profile Joined May 2010
United Arab Emirates245 Posts
January 19 2011 12:31 GMT
#33
I was so looking forward to watching Gisado again, thank you so much!
sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
January 19 2011 12:39 GMT
#34
GG. Fun game. I bet Ret will have a banana grin when he sees this.
"I wish I was good enough to be called bad by IdrA." - Moa
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 13:00:54
January 19 2011 12:57 GMT
#35
After watching that last ZvT on Crevasse, I think that a map that big will be very hard to stop a zerg with half a brain on. The distances are so far, and terran units are so slow, that you really can't punish the zerg enough, if at all. I think that on maps this size, we will see more broodwar-esqe turret building and seige tank placement against zerg while just constantly taking bases. That seems to be the only way that you could stop a zerg on a map this big. Super fast air units, and even faster ground units make terran unable to really leave their base to do anything about a zerg taking expansions. PvZ, though, I could see being a very fun matchup with lots of stargate + mass cannon play against zerg.

*I would love more than anything to see a TvT with good players on this map. Thinking about the epic chess match that is TvT on a map with this many expansions, and of this magnitude, makes me salivate. I already can't wait to see a TvT in the next GSL if these maps are accepted. No more repetitive 1-2 base timing pushes (hopefully)!
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
January 19 2011 13:09 GMT
#36
those forcefields were not that great, seems like the protoss had something in mind with the placement of them the first time around. Second though near the end I have no clue.
Do you really want chat rooms?
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
January 19 2011 13:11 GMT
#37
Anyone else think NEXSkit was NEXshit? LOL
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
January 19 2011 13:12 GMT
#38
Zergs are dominating this koth atm. I think most T and P havent changed their builds to account for the longer rush distances and just send their pitifully sized armies across to get raped by 2 spawn larvas worth of reinforcements
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
January 19 2011 13:28 GMT
#39
On January 19 2011 22:11 mierin wrote:
Anyone else think NEXSkit was NEXshit? LOL


In swedish you spell shit exactly like that(skit) :D
Do you really want chat rooms?
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
January 19 2011 13:30 GMT
#40
On January 19 2011 22:28 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 22:11 mierin wrote:
Anyone else think NEXSkit was NEXshit? LOL


In swedish you spell shit exactly like that(skit) :D

Yea... funny thing.
Also, BUMP! I know people like to see gisado.
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 1: Playoffs Day 5
Clem vs ReynorLIVE!
Crank 1383
Tasteless1225
ComeBackTV 1106
IndyStarCraft 175
Rex163
3DClanTV 99
IntoTheiNu 70
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 1373
Tasteless 1158
IndyStarCraft 175
Rex 148
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 25850
Sea 23078
Rain 7300
Bisu 3096
Jaedong 1347
Hyuk 806
Light 753
Pusan 647
firebathero 466
Mini 451
[ Show more ]
actioN 321
Stork 293
Zeus 270
EffOrt 225
Backho 170
Hyun 161
ToSsGirL 136
Soulkey 116
Snow 71
hero 68
Mind 66
JYJ41
Sea.KH 33
Rush 33
Aegong 32
Shinee 31
sas.Sziky 30
sSak 28
Icarus 21
JulyZerg 21
Sharp 18
Sacsri 16
Free 14
Noble 13
yabsab 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
SilentControl 9
IntoTheRainbow 9
Hm[arnc] 7
Movie 7
ivOry 4
sorry 4
Dota 2
Gorgc8852
XaKoH 457
XcaliburYe310
League of Legends
singsing1774
Counter-Strike
x6flipin551
allub293
flusha283
markeloff58
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor158
Other Games
tarik_tv22914
B2W.Neo1061
shahzam638
crisheroes521
DeMusliM475
Fuzer 290
Liquid`RaSZi165
RotterdaM156
Pyrionflax148
QueenE16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick30904
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1134
• Stunt428
Upcoming Events
OSC
39m
Replay Cast
11h 39m
RSL Revival
21h 39m
Classic vs Cure
FEL
1d 3h
OSC
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
FEL
1d 23h
FEL
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-07-07
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.