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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
January 14 2011 20:26 GMT
#101
now no zerg will play in LT until patch is up :p
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 14 2011 20:27 GMT
#102
On January 15 2011 05:18 vek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2011 05:11 Numy wrote:
I don't quite understand how the game is allowing you to see information you haven't seen. Why would the engine do this?


It's just how peer to peer multiplayer works. All information exists in memory on each client, it's up to the client to hide things from you that you shouldn't be able to see. The problem in this case is that Blizzard overlooked the fact creep destroys doodads through fog of war without having vision.

The fact everything is in memory is also why maphacks are so easy to make.


So the information is always there, the problem is that it's not hiding doodads that are destroyed through creep. I guess that's an understandable thing to miss.
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 20:28:00
January 14 2011 20:27 GMT
#103
On January 15 2011 05:10 onbaton wrote:
yeah im sure no one cares


Which explains the 5 pages of

"Nice find!" and "Wow crazy!" and "How did you notice that? Blizz better fix it!"




Anyone know what settings it is noticeable on? I wanna test this out, Is it possibly ultra terrain?
@GGemini19 GM Protoss | http://www.twitch.tv/geminisc2 | I <333 HerO & Trap | Check out my Build of the Week series on /r/allthingsprotoss, TL, or Spawning Tool
Anomandaris
Profile Joined July 2010
Afghanistan440 Posts
January 14 2011 20:28 GMT
#104
Its visible on medium settings, on mpy PC, but my friend doesnt see it on low settings on his PC.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
January 14 2011 20:28 GMT
#105
On January 15 2011 05:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2011 05:18 Dakk wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:13 rbx270j wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:09 Dakk wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:04 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:02 Dakk wrote:
Wow, i really do hope that they will fix this issue very soon.

I got to tell you that it was reallt stupid of you to post it here really. Now there are alot of people here that are aware of the bug now.

Instead, you could've reported the bug, waited for them to fix it, and then tell us here about it.

Thx for ruining a few potential ladder games for me.


wow...just wow :D

nice troll


?
I posted my opinion, it is my right.
Do not critizise it.


criticizing your opinion is everyone else's right in that case.


Well, he doesent have to accuse me of being a person that lies and annoys people for my own plaesure.

I am not a troll.. What i posted is how i truly feel.


I suggest you think things through for a bit.
If the people are not informed, urgency will not be issued on behalf of the community and Blizzard will never see their mistake.

Word travels fast, even when trying to contain it, if he didn't say anything and told Blizzard about it, someone would have picked it up eventually or be spread in another fashion and the same outcome would occur.

Don't condemn someone for informing the public because of the collateral damage it may cause. It's necessary to eventually fix what is truly "stupid"

The thread has also managed to potentially break any ZvX on LT. Yeah, word travels fast but the report function is there for a reason. New things don't become known automatically, just look at the magic box. Wasn't before a thread and youtube video was made after release it became common knowledge, yet a few people knew it since early beta.

FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 20:55:25
January 14 2011 20:39 GMT
#106
there were several maps that had this problem before LT might have slipped through everyones eyes till now.

edit: thought they had fixed that along with the nexus and mule problem, oh well. Just remember don't make flowers or other doodads that are destroyed by creep near expos when mapping.
Jurassic
Profile Joined July 2010
Hungary79 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 20:43:52
January 14 2011 20:39 GMT
#107
It would be funny if someone get accused of maphack and get banned from b.net beacuse he was looking in the fog of war searching for flowers.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#108
As a Terran player even I feel ashamed that this exists =\
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Neo.NEt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States785 Posts
January 14 2011 20:41 GMT
#109
I bet you feel like a badass for finding this don't you? Nice work though, I hate this map and maybe they'll take it out for awhile.
Apologize.
loving it
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada271 Posts
January 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#110
OH SNAPS.... That sucks.......... Cause Its good this issue gets exposure, but for the time being everybody is now going to use this... lol
Stay gold.
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 20:46:17
January 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#111
On January 15 2011 05:28 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2011 05:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:18 Dakk wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:13 rbx270j wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:09 Dakk wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:04 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On January 15 2011 05:02 Dakk wrote:
Wow, i really do hope that they will fix this issue very soon.

I got to tell you that it was reallt stupid of you to post it here really. Now there are alot of people here that are aware of the bug now.

Instead, you could've reported the bug, waited for them to fix it, and then tell us here about it.

Thx for ruining a few potential ladder games for me.


wow...just wow :D

nice troll


?
I posted my opinion, it is my right.
Do not critizise it.


criticizing your opinion is everyone else's right in that case.


Well, he doesent have to accuse me of being a person that lies and annoys people for my own plaesure.

I am not a troll.. What i posted is how i truly feel.


I suggest you think things through for a bit.
If the people are not informed, urgency will not be issued on behalf of the community and Blizzard will never see their mistake.

Word travels fast, even when trying to contain it, if he didn't say anything and told Blizzard about it, someone would have picked it up eventually or be spread in another fashion and the same outcome would occur.

Don't condemn someone for informing the public because of the collateral damage it may cause. It's necessary to eventually fix what is truly "stupid"

The thread has also managed to potentially break any ZvX on LT. Yeah, word travels fast but the report function is there for a reason. New things don't become known automatically, just look at the magic box. Wasn't before a thread and youtube video was made after release it became common knowledge, yet a few people knew it since early beta.



you can argue the other way around as well. I can say now everyone knows about this bug and can downvote lost temple to prevent themselves from being cheated. You dont know how many people are and were abusing this already - so if everyone is informed everyone can downvote the map also i feel like if it isnt public its very likely that blizzard will ignore the topic for a very long time. If its public and possibly game breaking they have to act fast.

/E looks like Blizzard has to rework like 3-4 maps in order to fix this or they have to remove/fix this doodad.
DarkGeneral
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada328 Posts
January 14 2011 20:45 GMT
#112
wow even the Illuminati would have trouble catching that one, kudos to whoever found this!
"Everybody gotta die some time, righ'?" - Wraith Pilot
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
January 14 2011 20:52 GMT
#113
For fuck sake
Shadrak
Profile Joined August 2010
United States490 Posts
January 14 2011 20:53 GMT
#114
Have to agree with some other posters that said this should be submitted as a bug but not posted on the forums, which will exponentially increase the exploitation of it. That said, I'd probably be too tempted if I found something like this and do the same thing
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 14 2011 20:55 GMT
#115
dang. nice catch. although realistically the Zerg's opponent is still goin to have to scout anyways to check build orders and such. but I can see this being really gay for cheese :\
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 14 2011 20:58 GMT
#116
Someone should inform Gomtv so they won't use it in XvZ
-miDnight-
Profile Joined September 2010
Taiwan455 Posts
January 14 2011 20:59 GMT
#117
I think LT will be take off the ladder pool, until they have time to fix this. It's Shakuras all over again
http://www.facebook.com/midnightsc Chinese caster from TW (go SEn)
MegaBUD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada179 Posts
January 14 2011 20:59 GMT
#118
Nothing new...

They havent fix the mules through fog yet... and it was like that in beta.
~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada379 Posts
January 14 2011 21:00 GMT
#119
This is a big advantage for any XvZ. Time for new maps ffs.
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
January 14 2011 21:01 GMT
#120
Just out of curiosity is this all flowers on the whole base for LT or just the ones next to the minerals as shown in the pictures? If its just the ones near the minerals as shown in the pictures you should be able to see creep by that point.
+ Show Spoiler +
That is unless this bug/glitch/misfortune affects expansions too. Ie. A zerg starts morphing a hatchery at another main base and it makes the flowers disappear before the creep gets there.
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." - Thomas Sowell
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