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Hello,
I went to sc2ranks today and saw there was a stats section with the procentage of the different races distributed in the leagues. So i decided to make a graph!
![[image loading]](http://i55.tinypic.com/25spk5w.png)
Correlation seen
The zerg procentage rises all the way to the masters league. This is probably because the
race is so different from the terran, protoss and races in other rts. It even surpasses the percentage of terrans in the masters league!
The terran procentage falls all the way to the masters league(almost). This is probably because of all the players who started with the terran race because they played the race in the campaign and also the reason written above.
Here is one for win percentage - Please note that bronze is not included, so that its easy to see the changes for the other leagues.
![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/sxn9kg.png)
Enjoy
Ps. The graphs were made in openoffice - Download here if you want to play around with it
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Makes sense.
Except that I feel like I get A LOT more zerg and terran compared to protoss. Which is sad cuz I like ZvP 
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Neato graph ol'champ, unfortunately this means protoss is clearly imba ;D
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On January 13 2011 23:07 confusedcrib wrote:
Neato graph ol'champ, unfortunately this means protoss is clearly imba ;D
I could make one for the win/loss percentage
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On January 13 2011 23:07 confusedcrib wrote:
Neato graph ol'champ, unfortunately this means protoss is clearly imba ;D
How on earth did you reach that conclusion?
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On January 13 2011 23:15 Sonictonic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 23:07 confusedcrib wrote:
Neato graph ol'champ, unfortunately this means protoss is clearly imba ;D How on earth did you reach that conclusion?
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
Not surprised to see the huge spike in zerg players in the higher leagues. I've long believed that zerg takes the most skill to play and has the highest skill ceiling. (I'm a protoss player BTW.)
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The data is from all the regions?
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On January 13 2011 23:23 fabiano wrote:
The data is from all the regions?
Yep
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On January 13 2011 23:17 ThorIsHere wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 23:15 Sonictonic wrote:On January 13 2011 23:07 confusedcrib wrote:
Neato graph ol'champ, unfortunately this means protoss is clearly imba ;D How on earth did you reach that conclusion? Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
Either that or he is a retard, its hard to tell.
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Is this info current? Such as in collected in the past week? Pretty cool.
Something that'd be interesting to see if you could do it, would be to show what the race distributions were before/after certain key times such as: release, after the roach buff, and after patch 1.2. But if this is current, then you already have the last one ^^
If you need help, let me know!
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On January 13 2011 23:28 AnAlbumCover wrote:
Is this info current? Such as in collected in the past week? Pretty cool.
Something that'd be interesting to see if you could do it, would be to show what the race distributions were before/after certain key times such as: release, after the roach buff, and after patch 1.2. But if this is current, then you already have the last one ^^
If you need help, let me know!
Agree :D
I took the current stats from here
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Interesting that the win percentage for all the races and random is over 50%.
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Agree :D I took the current stats from here
Ballin! you can select which patches to look at!
I'm currently in class (orbit mechanics has never been more boring....) but if you need help, I'm assuming you used excel?, just let me know
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Sweet pictures. Funny Random "bump" in the middle (Gold & Platinum).
But how can all matchups starting at a winrate of 50% or even above pure increase in winning percentage? Strange effect.
And interesting that Random winning derivate is higher than other Races although at higher level the disadvantage of carved out builds should surmount the advantage of surprise?
And question on a sidenote, why changed the colors between the two graphs? Got fixed
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On January 13 2011 23:34 blackbrrd wrote:
Interesting that the win percentage for all the races and random is over 50%.
I didnt include the bronze league  They are all under 47
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On January 13 2011 23:36 Kralle333 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 23:34 blackbrrd wrote:
Interesting that the win percentage for all the races and random is over 50%. I didnt include the bronze league They are all under 47
Ouh yeah sorry I totally missed that. Makes sense of course then.
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can i ask why the hell the races swap and change colors from one graph to the other? makes it confusing..
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On January 13 2011 23:40 hewtrain wrote:
can i ask why the hell the races swap and change colors from one graph to the other? makes it confusing..
i fixed it
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Interesting that there are about as many Zerg and Terran players in the Masters League.
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interesting how zerg and terran start so far apart in the new players and then converge higher up
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So random players who then specialize pick zerg to play at about platinum level.
At lower levels Zerg has the higher winrate wich is probably the motivator for random players to switch to zerg.
I wonder if those random to zerg switchers help bring down the zerg winrate above platinum.
/speculation
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Really nice graphs. Thanks for making these 
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On January 13 2011 23:40 hewtrain wrote:
can i ask why the hell the races swap and change colors from one graph to the other? makes it confusing..
What are you talking about? the colors for all races are the same for both graphs. The reason why they 'swap places' is because they're supposed to
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On January 14 2011 00:03 zingmars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 23:40 hewtrain wrote:
can i ask why the hell the races swap and change colors from one graph to the other? makes it confusing.. What are you talking about? the colors for all races are the same for both graphs. The reason why they 'swap places' is because they're supposed to
Prior to the edit in the OP, the colors for each race didn't match between graphs
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Fascinating data. Would definitely be nice to see a progression of similar graphs from data from previous patches, perhaps in a slightly different color scheme
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On January 13 2011 23:51 Eeevil wrote:
So random players who then specialize pick zerg to play at about platinum level.
At lower levels Zerg has the higher winrate wich is probably the motivator for random players to switch to zerg.
I wonder if those random to zerg switchers help bring down the zerg winrate above platinum.
/speculation
This isn't a time-based plot, you're assuming that people move steadily along these lines, but most likely it's harder for random to get as high, so they bulk up with only a few of them breaking into masters. At the same note few beginners want to play a race such as zerg as it's so different (as the OP noted) and we only see them coming into play at higher levels.
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Winky uber smilies are clearly sarcasm
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So that's why I play so much PvP
Interesting to see that Terrans winrate is quite a bit higher compared to P and Z. Perhaps everything in Master League hasn't quite balanced out?
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Well, I think it's pretty clear that Terran is going to be much more favored for the lower leagues because of the campaign, not to mention that zerg's mechanics are significantly harder for newer players. Its nice to see that they are all pretty close together in the top leagues. It seems like zerg is the one taking percentages from random in the higher leagues.
And yet, zerg's winrate is the one that levels off the most. That's a little odd.
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On January 13 2011 23:34 blackbrrd wrote:
Interesting that the win percentage for all the races and random is over 50%.
Its because they do not include bronze players, who probibly even out the scale.
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Is it possible to conclude that Protoss players may have an easier time executing a strategy vs Terran and Zerg players who have to do a lot more "on your feet" execution?
I'm only curious because it feels that way when I play vs. Toss players on a regular basis and even when I play team games it's simple to just execute warp gate rushes. Create 3 units to support your team mates, which is usually the best option for toss in team games.
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Woot above average win%! Huzzah!
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Solid 10% random. Nice to see that.
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On January 13 2011 23:50 Jameser wrote:
interesting how zerg and terran start so far apart in the new players and then converge higher up
That's probably because of WoL being Terran. People play the campaign and know how to play Terran so they go on the ladder as Terran. Silver+ players aren't affected by this because they're more likely to have more games played and/or are more willing to learn a new race.
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Wow. Nicely done. I find it interesting how theres a bit of a jump in the number of random players in platinum...
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I think its funny how the demographic for the Terran starts pretty high and then gets even around Zerg in the Master League... Same with how Zerg starts off low... haha.
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I think zerg do better in lower leagues because players with lower skill allow zergs to get many expansions and tech to brood lords.
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On January 14 2011 01:47 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 23:50 Jameser wrote:
interesting how zerg and terran start so far apart in the new players and then converge higher up That's probably because of WoL being Terran. People play the campaign and know how to play Terran so they go on the ladder as Terran. Silver+ players aren't affected by this because they're more likely to have more games played and/or are more willing to learn a new race.
Good point. It seems like when the first starcraft came out lots of people liked to be protoss because at the end of the campaign they are so bad ass and after brood war came out zerg was the race to be for awhile. That or maybe the 4 pool for only 150 minerals...
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Nice graphs, now i am wondering what the absolute numbers of players with respective races are.
I mean how many players play which race in which league.
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On January 14 2011 02:03 reapsen wrote:
Nice graphs, now i am wondering what the absolute numbers of players with respective races are.
I mean how many players play which race in which league.
You can see that easily at sc2ranks.com except you have to deal with ugly boxy bar diagrams instead of these graceful line diagrams.
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HAHA zeg from div. bronz - plat, it seems like its all 6pool, then ppl start walling of at diamond and it all goes south :D
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I guess the peek of random players on platinum is because of cheesing not being that effective any more :D
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On January 14 2011 02:42 Kralle333 wrote:
I guess the peek of random players on platinum is because of cheesing not being that effective any more :D
That's a pretty ignorant thing to say.
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On January 14 2011 03:03 colanderman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 02:42 Kralle333 wrote:
I guess the peek of random players on platinum is because of cheesing not being that effective any more :D That's a pretty ignorant thing to say.
Why? Every random player i play is cheesing
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On January 13 2011 23:00 Faze. wrote:Makes sense. Except that I feel like I get A LOT more zerg and terran compared to protoss. Which is sad cuz I like ZvP
note: even though there are less zergs in numbers, they may play more games (not saying they do, but its possible); or their games may be shorter
also, procentage? i was confused for a while, thought it was like, some percentage of pro's or something.
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On January 13 2011 23:00 Faze. wrote:Makes sense. Except that I feel like I get A LOT more zerg and terran compared to protoss. Which is sad cuz I like ZvP
It's because all the Protoss are being matched against each other and thrown into that inglorious clusterfuck of a matchup that is PvP.
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On January 14 2011 03:03 colanderman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 02:42 Kralle333 wrote:
I guess the peek of random players on platinum is because of cheesing not being that effective any more :D That's a pretty ignorant thing to say.
Not really, From my own and my friends experiences random players cheese alot.
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Nice work with the graphs, but I don't think you can legitimately draw lines between the points for each league, since the leagues aren't a continuous distribution (they're discrete groups). It also looks like you used a curve for some of the lines, which is slightly misleading given the discrete data. Not to say they aren't illustrative or useful though!
It would be nice to multiply the percentage data by total players per league, to give the absolute numbes for each data point.
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I think its kind of funny that terran win percentage is such ahead of all the other races at master league. I wonder what would contribute to that being so much higher then all the other races?
Maybe its because terran is better overall then all the other races at that level or maybe its because they can pull workers better then all the other races?
I'd love to see a chart with time in game and win percentage see which race fares the best in longer games and which race does the best in shorter game.
Though that kind of data I assume would be rather hard to find and attain.
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Now can we stop pretending zerg is underpowered and weak?
Edit: you people really need to learn how to read graphs. The difference between the top two win%'s in the masters league is 0.5%. That means Every 200 games one guy wins one more game than the other guy.
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This is super awesome thanks for making this
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On January 14 2011 03:56 thesmoosh wrote:
Now can we stop pretending zerg is underpowered and weak?
Edit: you people really need to learn how to read graphs. The difference between the top two win%'s in the masters league is 0.5%. That means Every 200 games one guy wins one more game than the other guy.
Yes, but I think it's still telling that Zerg is the winningest race in Silver (but the least, discounting Random, is within .5%), but at Master level Zerg is the least winningest (and the highest is greater than .5% above).
I think when you consider the scope and range of skill within a league, these results aren't necessarily incontrovertible but they are significant (i.e., it's not attributable to randomness).
I'm NOT saying Zerg is underpowered by any means, but I do feel like the race is harder to play optimally than Terran or Protoss. I admit I could be biased -- I am a Zerg player.
EDIT: Said Platinum, meant Silver.
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the first graph makes no sense unless the space inbetween 2 leagues is meant to show high and low gold for example but i doubt that. If you can give me the row numbers iam gonna look into it a little closer (i have maple and can make better graphs with it) but i think a simple bar chart would fit better for 1.
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Hopefully these graphs will shred into pieces the notion that Zerg has the highest skill ceiling of all race, considering how 2* more Zerg players manage to get into the highest leagues than Protoss/Terran.
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On January 14 2011 04:48 TeWy wrote:
Hopefully these graphs will shred into pieces the notion that Zerg has the highest skill ceiling of all race, considering how 2* more Zerg players manage to get into the highest leagues than Protoss/Terran.
Not trying argue anything about skill ceiling or be rude but did you even look at the graphs because that is not even remotely accurate. The only league where zerg doesn't have the lowest representation is masters and there is only 0.6% more zerg than terran.
http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
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On January 14 2011 04:43 idonthinksobro wrote:
the first graph makes no sense unless the space inbetween 2 leagues is meant to show high and low gold for example but i doubt that. If you can give me the row numbers iam gonna look into it a little closer (i have maple and can make better graphs with it) but i think a simple bar chart would fit better for 1.
It is a simple graph. You can only make better graphs if there's some correlation(which is only present at the zerg data).
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On January 14 2011 04:48 TeWy wrote:
Hopefully these graphs will shred into pieces the notion that Zerg has the highest skill ceiling of all race, considering how 2* more Zerg players manage to get into the highest leagues than Protoss/Terran.
If anything this PROVES the assumption that zerg has the highest skill ceiling. But worst vs worst, terran is the strongest. This implies two things, that the terran race is "easier" as the worst players have better chance of winning than an equally skilled zerg. And also, at the very top level of play, best against the best, zerg players can "max out" or hit a higher "skill ceiling" much later.
Don't know if that was clear, so let me put it this way. If a race (Race A) had a very very very low skill ceiling, theoretically, anyone could max out the performance of the race. If another race (RACE B) had a higher skill ceiling, those that are more skilled and hit the "max" or ceiling of that race, they should win against maxed race A.
That being said, NO ONE has reached the skill ceiling for this game, so why even bring it up?
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On January 14 2011 03:51 DrBoo wrote:
I think its kind of funny that terran win percentage is such ahead of all the other races at master league. I wonder what would contribute to that being so much higher then all the other races?
Maybe its because terran is better overall then all the other races at that level or maybe its because they can pull workers better then all the other races?
I'd love to see a chart with time in game and win percentage see which race fares the best in longer games and which race does the best in shorter game.
Though that kind of data I assume would be rather hard to find and attain.
The graphs exaggerate the difference a bit. The difference between the Terran and the Protoss win percentage is 0.7% which is pretty reasonable, and simple map change or newly discovered strategy could easily make the graphs flip. And remember the matchmaker tries to keep everyone at a 50% win rate. Population is probably the better stat to look at when thinking about balance, but you can't determine balance solely on graphs like this. And of course, some races could simply be more popular than another.
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